It is a good thing that speed, accuracy and conserving energy are the main products sought of this competition although it would really be fun to watch these cars in motion in real life.
I vote for sponsored demonstrations of these products at Motor Racing events. Normal RC Racing always attracts a very large crowd at any event I have been too! =)
Unfortunately the back door was open to everybody.
True, back when I first used my Windows machine NetBus was popular in a chat room I visited. A girl I got to know sent me the server part so I could let her see what other people were seeing on her computer (NetBus was actually being run willingly by her as it was a fun thing to do) and being an old computer geek felt safe doing this. 5 minutes after getting the 'patch.exe' and running it, I found the client part online *google wasnt even around then - go webcrawler* and figured it out enough to connect to her computer and do more to her than she could do to me (ie control and execute other programs and lock her out of my computer *she actually complained that noone could connect to my computer and that I wasnt running the server until I gave her the password and watched the many computers connect*). I had to guess the password to her computer of course but the person who sent her the file put her kids name as the password which happened to be the only thing I tried. I ended up changing the password and telling her to not take any more files no matter how much fun they were if she wanted to maintain privacy (it wasnt just to pop the cd in and out as she claimed). I honestly didnt know what a 'port' was at that time and thought hacking an.ini file was fun but managed all of this. Its a good thing the 'bad hackers *dont abuse me for claiming crackers are hackers too - they are usually just stupid hackers whove found something they can take over the world with*' are also usually also stupid people.
If you like laughing at crackers youll probably like that story.
An Arthur C Clarke short-story book introduced BOLOs to me. Excellent short story - The Night of the Trolls! You may want to read it to see if the game got its name from there.
No, I never owned a Macintosh (until recently) but Stroker *www.c64.org probably has it* was a funny game for Commodore 64 which may have been one of the first games in that genre *I think I was 15 when I downloaded it from a BBS site*. Off-topic but you made me do it! =P
Speaking of Warcraft, I slpiied Warcraft II BattleNet Edition into my mac one day to grab some files (probably maps) off it one day (the pc cdrom broke) and Warcraft started installing. I didnt know they done a dual CD when I bought it - I think that was very cool. =)
I want Arkanoid (Enhanced PONG), Commando and Space Invaders (the list does go on) with customizable parts (so I dont have to hack them again) for free.
I should install Ethereal and find out what it's sending out.
You will probably need to do alot more hacking than spying on the data.
Say it happened to record information on your system like IE does (using index.dat) then it could be just sending a 'tag' to say it recorded important information. The tag could then be used to find this data in your computer via remote administration. This type of system is hard to figure out but the rewards of figuring it out are immense.
It is good that people take an interest in finding out what the hell is happeneing with their computer. Computers are becoming better at hiding smaller pieces of data so it isnt an easy job to hack them. I certainly dont want my system to be trashed by someone who is protecting their Intellectual Property *sigh anytime I see those words together and look at what they apply to I just have to laugh and want to stab my eyes*.
Good luck with future endevours at figuring out encrypted binary data streams at the least. Or you could throw away that shitty 'protected software' and choose to use Free Software (aka Open Source) now and make everybody happy!
Its time for mass hysteria - they are recording everything you are doing, they do not like you, you are not alone, use GNU (http://www.gnu.org), we are waiting, have fun!
I would have been happy to ignore this troll, except this comment has been moderated upward, so I think your comments warrant a reply..
I guess you are replying to me but even if you arent I would like to say I was not aware that VIM was only usable in X-Windows so I can play dumb about making the comment about VI being in the same category of EMACS in my opinion.
I should not have said "just like VI" but VI has given me problems in the past and VIM hasnt *I live in X-Windows 99% of the time and dont feel bad about doing it*.
If what youve said is right then you are right *more karma to you;)* and I wont say it again. If something gives me a problem I do tend to look for something to replace it, as I think most people do, and will choose to accidentally hate the thing that caused my problem *most of the time*. =)
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*takes the flame bait ?*
Youve heard this nonsense before? I think there are a few types of programmers myself and they contrast each other, (1a) the one who completes a program but doesnt make all the parts work correctly and (1b) the one who completes each part of the program but doesnt finish the whole. Then theres (2a) The one who gets the job done and (2b) the one who is always programming. Then there is (3a) the one who produces sloppy code and (3b) the one who produces maintainable code. If you fall into all the (b) categories cases then I know your type well. If you fall into all the (a) categories then you might want to try joining the team that brought you blue screens.
There are too many types of people in the world to generalize into a few categories but I think I can get away with what Ive said although what was said was off the top of my head. =)
Disclaimer: I dont really hate EMACS, I actually think EMACS is the best all round (sp?) programming IDE available for UNIX, but I got sick of learning control character sequences years ago.
EMACS is of course a very advanced text editor *operating system? heh* incorporating LISP etc so if you have the patience to learn it then you will feel the way this person above does.
I use VIM and I use about 20 of its functions, the rest is fast typing. I strongly believe in the way UNIX is composed, VIM is a smaller block than EMACS, so I will get into a holy war when I tell a newbie to go for VI when they ask about EMACS!
I have a project on SourceForge myself but it is currently in the early stages of evolution. The project is in the early stages of evolution because I am scared by the stupid general Patent covering the idea I want to steal. The original program that I wanted to port to Linux and extend/enhance was (and is) a complete disaster in design so of course I feel the urge to fix it.
You are probably correct about people who havent finished *nothings really ever finished* their project as not participating in the statistics of the questions raised. I enjoy helping newbies come to grips with Linux and spend most of my free (?) time doing this.
Reasons for being a lazy hacker:
1. I prefer communicating to coding (Read: I want a life). 2. I spent half of my life programming in machine code and dont care about higher level language as much as people would like *I wonder if anyone is/was devoted to punch cards and ran away from syntax*. 3. There are plenty of other projects similar to mine. 4. I hate you.
In a perfect world, to live, I would like. (yodish? *I am not a starwars freak but yoda is pretty cool*)
The 'computers' then will probably fix themselves. I wonder if slashdot will till be archived then. OTOH, what about this meteor thats coming, nothing will exist then. =)
You could have explained 'what you do too' instead of saying just "I do that too" when the article is about having a program open a root shell for its 'creator' to access. Having debugging in your program is of course the practise of the art.
Now I know you were talking about 'easter eggs'. An easter egg is alot less offensive than a common (?) trojan. You are not a cracker after-all. why didnt you pick the confusion up and reply saying you were talking about 'easter eggs'?:P
If its a shell script, you could easily bypass or edit the agreement...
Hah, I have seen some EULAs in Windows where the text wouldnt appear because of a broken component. The borg still owns my soul though as I clicked a license when I was a pc-newbie. =(
*cough* The point of this thread is, it isnt as much of a risk if you compile as a non-root user and it can be proven wrong easilly.
The install part of the configure && make CAN copy a pre-made copy of ps/lsof/netstat/ls etc over the original binary. This may also be possible with rpm/deb but I am no expert at how these packages function (itd be good to place added security *ie. this file can replace that type of thing* into the database of packages incase it is possible to overwrite a binary easilly - binary files cannot be trusted completely at any time;).
The point originally made in this thread isnt exactly a good philosphy to trust but it is definately how you SHOULD configure && make a package, root is for administration purposes only. =)
NB. I put my trust in Debian packages but it is not 100% trust. I also try to not run things as root myself but no-ones perfect.
The ls-120 is certainly nicer than standard floppy drives but even they are unreliable and slow.
I use floppies to move text files (resume/source) between computers sometimes (not lately though as only one of 6 drives works - my ls-120 *originally external but I ripped it apart and found an ide device - w00t*;) and also for booting and fixing corrupted harddrive filesystems.
I dont think floppy drives will be missed by many people as new computers are made to use another removable media *even my p200 board has [scsi|cdrom|bootp|ide|fd]-boot capability*. Although, the change from floppy to no-floppy will mean some people *me included* will need to buy cdr[w] drives or whatever else the computer assemblers 'recommend' we use just to create bootable/removable media.:\
NB. Hopefully the filesystems remain interoperable between different kernels and free to implement!
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Hey, stop picking on him, he brings us nice stories even if they arent gramatically accurate. :P
It is a good thing that speed, accuracy and conserving energy are the main products sought of this competition although it would really be fun to watch these cars in motion in real life.
I vote for sponsored demonstrations of these products at Motor Racing events. Normal RC Racing always attracts a very large crowd at any event I have been too! =)
Correct. I would moderate you up if I could just for being able to find defects in my post. =)
Language was created by those with the vazeptitude to invent new words.
No, the aliens gave it to us!
Unfortunately the back door was open to everybody.
.ini file was fun but managed all of this. Its a good thing the 'bad hackers *dont abuse me for claiming crackers are hackers too - they are usually just stupid hackers whove found something they can take over the world with*' are also usually also stupid people.
True, back when I first used my Windows machine NetBus was popular in a chat room I visited. A girl I got to know sent me the server part so I could let her see what other people were seeing on her computer (NetBus was actually being run willingly by her as it was a fun thing to do) and being an old computer geek felt safe doing this. 5 minutes after getting the 'patch.exe' and running it, I found the client part online *google wasnt even around then - go webcrawler* and figured it out enough to connect to her computer and do more to her than she could do to me (ie control and execute other programs and lock her out of my computer *she actually complained that noone could connect to my computer and that I wasnt running the server until I gave her the password and watched the many computers connect*). I had to guess the password to her computer of course but the person who sent her the file put her kids name as the password which happened to be the only thing I tried. I ended up changing the password and telling her to not take any more files no matter how much fun they were if she wanted to maintain privacy (it wasnt just to pop the cd in and out as she claimed). I honestly didnt know what a 'port' was at that time and thought hacking an
If you like laughing at crackers youll probably like that story.
Heh, what came first, the vigilante or the hole. :)
BOLO - familiar name. =)
An Arthur C Clarke short-story book introduced BOLOs to me. Excellent short story - The Night of the Trolls! You may want to read it to see if the game got its name from there.
No, I never owned a Macintosh (until recently) but Stroker *www.c64.org probably has it* was a funny game for Commodore 64 which may have been one of the first games in that genre *I think I was 15 when I downloaded it from a BBS site*. Off-topic but you made me do it! =P
Speaking of Warcraft, I slpiied Warcraft II BattleNet Edition into my mac one day to grab some files (probably maps) off it one day (the pc cdrom broke) and Warcraft started installing. I didnt know they done a dual CD when I bought it - I think that was very cool. =)
Which games would you like?
I want Arkanoid (Enhanced PONG), Commando and Space Invaders (the list does go on) with customizable parts (so I dont have to hack them again) for free.
Python Programmers, where (URL) are our games?
Theres only one game you should take.
PONG - the original and the best!
I should install Ethereal and find out what it's sending out.
You will probably need to do alot more hacking than spying on the data.
Say it happened to record information on your system like IE does (using index.dat) then it could be just sending a 'tag' to say it recorded important information. The tag could then be used to find this data in your computer via remote administration. This type of system is hard to figure out but the rewards of figuring it out are immense.
It is good that people take an interest in finding out what the hell is happeneing with their computer. Computers are becoming better at hiding smaller pieces of data so it isnt an easy job to hack them. I certainly dont want my system to be trashed by someone who is protecting their Intellectual Property *sigh anytime I see those words together and look at what they apply to I just have to laugh and want to stab my eyes*.
Good luck with future endevours at figuring out encrypted binary data streams at the least. Or you could throw away that shitty 'protected software' and choose to use Free Software (aka Open Source) now and make everybody happy!
Its time for mass hysteria - they are recording everything you are doing, they do not like you, you are not alone, use GNU (http://www.gnu.org), we are waiting, have fun!
I would have been happy to ignore this troll, except this comment has been moderated upward,
;)* and I wont say it again. If something gives me a problem I do tend to look for something to replace it, as I think most people do, and will choose to accidentally hate the thing that caused my problem *most of the time*. =)
so I think your comments warrant a reply..
I guess you are replying to me but even if you arent I would like to say I was not aware that VIM was only usable in X-Windows so I can play dumb about making the comment about VI being in the same category of EMACS in my opinion.
I should not have said "just like VI" but VI has given me problems in the past and VIM hasnt *I live in X-Windows 99% of the time and dont feel bad about doing it*.
If what youve said is right then you are right *more karma to you
*takes the flame bait ?*
Youve heard this nonsense before? I think there are a few types of programmers myself and they contrast each other, (1a) the one who completes a program but doesnt make all the parts work correctly and (1b) the one who completes each part of the program but doesnt finish the whole. Then theres (2a) The one who gets the job done and (2b) the one who is always programming. Then there is (3a) the one who produces sloppy code and (3b) the one who produces maintainable code. If you fall into all the (b) categories cases then I know your type well. If you fall into all the (a) categories then you might want to try joining the team that brought you blue screens.
There are too many types of people in the world to generalize into a few categories but I think I can get away with what Ive said although what was said was off the top of my head. =)
Yeah VI sucks *like EMACS*, stick to VIM. ;)
Disclaimer: I dont really hate EMACS, I actually think EMACS is the best all round (sp?) programming IDE available for UNIX, but I got sick of learning control character sequences years ago.
EMACS is of course a very advanced text editor *operating system? heh* incorporating LISP etc so if you have the patience to learn it then you will feel the way this person above does.
I use VIM and I use about 20 of its functions, the rest is fast typing. I strongly believe in the way UNIX is composed, VIM is a smaller block than EMACS, so I will get into a holy war when I tell a newbie to go for VI when they ask about EMACS!
We had a survey ?
I have a project on SourceForge myself but it is currently in the early stages of evolution. The project is in the early stages of evolution because I am scared by the stupid general Patent covering the idea I want to steal. The original program that I wanted to port to Linux and extend/enhance was (and is) a complete disaster in design so of course I feel the urge to fix it.
You are probably correct about people who havent finished *nothings really ever finished* their project as not participating in the statistics of the questions raised. I enjoy helping newbies come to grips with Linux and spend most of my free (?) time doing this.
Reasons for being a lazy hacker:
1. I prefer communicating to coding (Read: I want a life).
2. I spent half of my life programming in machine code and dont care about higher level language as much as people would like *I wonder if anyone is/was devoted to punch cards and ran away from syntax*.
3. There are plenty of other projects similar to mine.
4. I hate you.
In a perfect world, to live, I would like. (yodish? *I am not a starwars freak but yoda is pretty cool*)
Oh, bugger, I made a typographical error.
Now I feel like a normal Slashdotter (I even used the OTOH anagram - w00t!). =P
Worried about 3000 huh?
The 'computers' then will probably fix themselves. I wonder if slashdot will till be archived then. OTOH, what about this meteor thats coming, nothing will exist then. =)
*waves to the future humans just incase*
You could have explained 'what you do too' instead of saying just "I do that too" when the article is about having a program open a root shell for its 'creator' to access. Having debugging in your program is of course the practise of the art.
:P
Now I know you were talking about 'easter eggs'. An easter egg is alot less offensive than a common (?) trojan. You are not a cracker after-all. why didnt you pick the confusion up and reply saying you were talking about 'easter eggs'?
If its a shell script, you could easily bypass or edit the agreement...
Hah, I have seen some EULAs in Windows where the text wouldnt appear because of a broken component. The borg still owns my soul though as I clicked a license when I was a pc-newbie. =(
You can look at the source code, but how many people actually do? And how many of them have time to read and understand it?
/library code to understand it?
How many people spend time learning binary executable
More people can validate Source Code, Less people can validate Machine Code?
Which direction would you take upon knowing this?
NB. You dont need to answer these questions.
Programmers who put backdoors in their programs are crackers!
*cough* The point of this thread is, it isnt as much of a risk if you compile as a non-root user and it can be proven wrong easilly.
;).
The install part of the configure && make CAN copy a pre-made copy of ps/lsof/netstat/ls etc over the original binary. This may also be possible with rpm/deb but I am no expert at how these packages function (itd be good to place added security *ie. this file can replace that type of thing* into the database of packages incase it is possible to overwrite a binary easilly - binary files cannot be trusted completely at any time
The point originally made in this thread isnt exactly a good philosphy to trust but it is definately how you SHOULD configure && make a package, root is for administration purposes only. =)
NB. I put my trust in Debian packages but it is not 100% trust. I also try to not run things as root myself but no-ones perfect.
Crazy people!
Sik em USENIX etc. =P
The ls-120 is certainly nicer than standard floppy drives but even they are unreliable and slow.
;) and also for booting and fixing corrupted harddrive filesystems.
:\
I use floppies to move text files (resume/source) between computers sometimes (not lately though as only one of 6 drives works - my ls-120 *originally external but I ripped it apart and found an ide device - w00t*
I dont think floppy drives will be missed by many people as new computers are made to use another removable media *even my p200 board has [scsi|cdrom|bootp|ide|fd]-boot capability*. Although, the change from floppy to no-floppy will mean some people *me included* will need to buy cdr[w] drives or whatever else the computer assemblers 'recommend' we use just to create bootable/removable media.
NB. Hopefully the filesystems remain interoperable between different kernels and free to implement!