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Or just use lpd. I've been using lpd/lpr, samba, and netatalk for at least 5 years to print to various printers, including HP and Epson inkjets from Linux, BSD, Irix, Solaris, Windows (98,NT,2K), and the occasional rare MacOS.
> i've seen have finally swayed me back. Red Hat has >a long way to go, and I'll be recommending to all >my collegues not to try out this so called
>operating system.
Hmmm. "swayed me back"..."so called operating system"... "recommending to all my collegues"...
Hooom, hum.
Heck, who needs 'Lord of the Rings'. I think we got real live trolls right here.
>Now Outlook can start facing some serious >competition, although there's still a long way to >go. (Evolution does not yet emulate all the >Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate >with Exchange Server.)
A better way of putting this is "does not COMPLETELY integrate with Exchange Server". I'm running it with my company's Exchange servers, via IMAP, LDAP, and SMTP, and the only thing not working is Calendar and shared TODO.
>Previous versions of Office (Office 97) were >pretty obvious due to the "office quickstart"
>icon that it places in the "startup" group.
>Later versions of Windows however, have a
>DLL cache which allows DLLs to be stored for
>preloading on bootup.
It seems to me that this was what I describing. Task Manager can really only be counted to tell you total system memory allocated
Your post appears to agree with what I was saying. Maybe you should re-read it?
Tell you what...do what I did a few years ago, when I wanted to know why my nice beefy NT workstation was eating most of my memory, with no services running:
Install NT4. Note the available memory on bootup, before doing anything.
Install Office. Note the available memory after bootup, but before doing anything.
Do the math and wonder why JUST installing Office significantly decreased the available memory on bootup.
Start Office. Wonder why the used memory doesn't increase much at all. Hmmmmm.
A black box approach to be sure, but still very interesting.
Please note that Office (any flavor) does not take "scant amounts of ram". Rather, it hides ram used in the system memory used column, and actually preloads many if not most of the Office specific DLL's on boot up, whether you want them or not. The memory that appears to be used by Office, is only the glue code that links the DLL/OLE/NET components together.
The reason that Office appears to launch almost instantanously, is that most of it was already loaded on bootup.
Hmmmm. Config -> Setup
Check on 'enable-alternate-editor-cmd'
Check on 'enable-alternate-editor-implicitly'
Set editor to something like 'nedit'
Works okay for me. Of course, you DO have to use pine's text e-mail screen to set the recipient address and attachments, and then it spawns the editor when you try to move to the text area, but what else can you do for generic editor support in a text based application?
Of course this is a pretty one-sided article... from Verison's side.
If played the middle man in this type of situation before. You need to get the circuit up for the customer ASAP, and it isn't usually obvious where the problem is. It's been my experience that if a circuit (DSL, T1, Frame-Relay, whatever) doesn't come up, the first thing to do is open a trouble ticket with the telco. Sure it may be routing problem (which would be a provider, ie. Covad problem), but telco's usually take so long to work on trouble tickets, you HAVE to open a ticket up immediately just in case it is a telco problem.
I see this as Verison slapping Covad (who is actually a competitor) with a lawsuit for just doing business. Probably no conspiracy at all.
I really dislike extremely misleading articles like this. Avery Lee said that he is asking for HELP to enforce the GPL with Vidomi, not that he's filing suit. There are other forms of help that do not necessarily involve litigation.
I've been a VirtualDub supporter/contributor (financially) for a couple of years. It's a great program, and Avery, what I know of him, is a pretty quality guy. Is he thinking of suing Vidomi? I don't know. And neither does anyone else, from the references posted in this article.
I, and I assume others, submitted a MUCH less inflamitory, more accurate entry. I wonder why THEY weren't used instead? It's this sensationalism in article selection and lack of even basic fact checking that really makes me wonder about value of Slashdot as a 'news' portal.
If IP controls had been in effect from the dawn of media (records, tapes, etc..), I would not be able to transfer my beloved copy of Yogi Yoresson's "Yingle Bells" from it's origional 78 RPM record to CD. I would not be able to transfer my copy of "The Carl Stalling Project" from tape to CD (in which it is not available). I would not be able to preserve a friend's origional Edison cylinder recordings to CD.
If IP controls existed on books from day 1, I would not be able to read my 1885 edition of the 'Last Days of Pompeii', or my 1900's Harold MacGrath books, or almost half of my collection.
What this boils down to is this: If IP is locked to a specific media, the ability to read those media will eventually be lost and the IP will be lost to the public domain and to the general public. If you find a bunch of Edison cylinders, you may not be able to find a player, but you can build one fairly easily. If, in the year 2090, you find a bunch of DVD's, how will you be able to recover the audio and video from them? When the next big thing comes out for video, do you HAVE to buy all your favorite movies again, many of which may not be available?
>While i'm by no means from The Kansas Territory >(little Colorado joke;-)
If you look at old maps, the 'Kansas Territory' used to extend to the great divide of the Rockies. That's right, Mountain-Boy, unless you live on the west side of Colorado, we used to own you!:)
Ironicly, I'll be moving to Boulder in about 3 weeks.....
I was raised in the rurals of SouthEast Kansas, in on of the most agricultural (read 'poor') counties in the state.
I had the distinction in the mid 80's of being about the only person in the whole county with a computer, and certainly the only geek in my school district, maybe the whole county.
I've lived in Lawrence for the last 11 years. Here's my take on the whole thing.
1. Emmett hit the nail right on the head when he said "The greater Kansas City area is not only one of the most conservative areas in the country, it's also an area where proprietary software reigns supreme in both server and workstation markets."
This is not 'conservative' as in political or religious, but in decision making. Kansans/Midwesterners as a whole are very resistant to change. Not a horribly bad thing, but when it comes to things like technology and Linux, it can be a very hard sell.
Now, having said that, every place I've worked in the last few years, I've made converts to the One True Way. Places like Sprint have lots of pockets of Linux, but completely unofficially. Heck, my primary workstation was 'illegal', since the first thing I did when I got there was wipe 'blessed' NT install off the system, and install RedHat. There could be a lot of interest in Linux in the area, if they can be shown how it helps them, and that it is not a dangerous thing for them to pursue. Which leads to:
2. No one knew about the show.
I didn't know about it until is was already in progress, and it was talked about here on Slashdot. Unfortuately, I was in Dallas at the time, and couldn't attend.
ESR comes to friggin Lawrence, and I couldn't be there...AAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHhhh! And I would have brought my guns, too!
But also, local trade shows don't do horribly well in KC. People are hard pressed to justify taking off a day or an afternoon to attend. Employers don't like it, and unless it is a big event, it just doesn't happen.
A previous employer of mine did one of the small trade shows in the KC area, and it wasn't worth it.
So again, Emmett is completely correct in is statements. Using the grass-roots resources in KC could make for a good show, but it would be much better if it were more of a conference and training event, than just a trade show, like USENIX (which, BTW, was also last week). That would bring people in.
Anyway, I'm sorry I wasn't there to help, or even know about it until after the fact. And it makes the whole area look bad. There are actually a lot of talented, hard-working people in the KC area, not just a bunch of hicks.:)
>After some poor experiences with servers in the >K6-2/3 range, I'm a little gun shy of VIA and >FIC.
That's funny. My 503+ FIC mobo was a WONDERFUL board that I never had a problem with. I put three different processors in it, from a K6-233 to a K6-2 300 to a K6-3 400 and never had a problem with the board. The only downside that I found with the Via chipsets were that their PCI DMA controlers weren't as good as Intel's, and some PCI cards like sound cards and capture cards would drop data.
> The one using IDE also had a hard lockup. Not > even the power switch worked -- had to pull the > plug.
I did have problems with some UDMA/33 devices locking on the VIA K6 chipsets. But that was primarily a cheap cdrom that didn't do UDMA very well.
The VIA K133 chipset motherboards are supposed to run very well.
Just built a Athlon 650 on a FIC SD-11, which is probably the weirdest Athlon motherboard out there. Not bad, just weird and somewhat picky.
There were some issues:
1) The VIA ATA/66 chipset on board + linux didn't like my Maxtor 30GB HD using DMA when my CD-RW drive was running, and would cause hard locks. I replaced it with a Seagate ATA/66 IDE drive, and all is well.
2) The Irongate AGP is only recently well supported for DRI, and probably still needs some polish.
3) The interactivity does get somewhat sluggish with XFree 4.0 when there is a lot of hard drive activity.
4) The interactivity under X was extremely slow until I turned on UDMA on the hard drive using hdparm.
That all said, the system is quite fast and extremely stable, once I got the HD situation figured out.
I think that the IDE support needs some work for VIA Athlon chipsets (which is an experimental patch for the kernel, BTW), but other than that, no problems.
Which would be really odd, since almost all of Duke Nukem(tm)'s best lines (including 'come get some') were stolen, ripped-off, kiped, and otherwise taken from 'Army of Darkness'.
> 451 has an edge over these other works, in that > it preaches to the choir as few works of art > ever have.
I disagree. The book has been revered by book lovers, but it's origional popularity was also shared by the general public.
The book was written in a time where wholesale banning of books was still the norm, not just an occasional outrage. F-451 was banned from many libraries itself. McCarthy-ism (sic) was in full swing and anyone 'different' was targeted by society at large and frequenly labeled as a 'troublemaker', 'freak', or 'communist'.
Sound familiar?
There is a short story referenced by F-451, in which a man is stopped by police and arrested for walking for enjoyment, because it was against the norm.
Not only that, but the story was origionally published in a shorter form in a magizine (Harpers?), not in book form.
> Bradbury claimed that once he had the idea for > this book he was able to write the entire book > in one sitting.
And he pretty much had to. He was renting a typewriter in the basement of a local library for 10 cents an hour, in a time when he was dirt poor.:)
And re-read my post. How can you have crippled OEM sales if you never had them to begin with? ATI destroyed that potential, not Microsoft. It was a minor point in my post, anyway.
I'm not a slashdot admin (but I could play one on TV!), but I am painfully familiar with PIXs.
The idea behind the PIX, or any firewall-like object, is to allow 'good' traffic (http, smtp, etc) into the production network, and reject 'bad' traffic (oddball ports, like port 0, unauthorized UDP traffic, etc).
The problem with the PIX, is that it is essentially a fairly stupid router that can do network address translation and other bells and whistles, but it does it poorly. VERY poorly. It was designed as a network address translation system back in the mid 80's (anyone remember all the "We'll run out of IP's by 1997!") by a company that Cisco later bought. Cisco took the product, did a logic problem ( "Firewalls can do address translation. PIX does address translation. PIX is a firewall!"), and had themselves a firewall.
Its configuration makes a lot of sense to someone familiar with cisco router ACL rules, but no one else.
They are probably much better off with the BSD box. Although it's not a good idea to advertise their security infrastructure layout to the world. (Hint, Hint, CmdrTaco!)
Slashdot Mirror
Or just use lpd. I've been using lpd/lpr, samba, and netatalk for at least 5 years to print to various printers, including HP and Epson inkjets from Linux, BSD, Irix, Solaris, Windows (98,NT,2K), and the occasional rare MacOS.
And the #1 assigned password? ...
'changeme'
Oh yes, indeedy..
jf
Uh, huh.
Make an vague, content-free, 'fanboy'-type comment about Microsoft, and you are a martyr.
Suuuuurrrrreee.
> i've seen have finally swayed me back. Red Hat has
>a long way to go, and I'll be recommending to all
>my collegues not to try out this so called
>operating system.
Hmmm. "swayed me back"..."so called operating system"...
"recommending to all my collegues"...
Hooom, hum.
Heck, who needs 'Lord of the Rings'. I think we got real live trolls right here.
>Now Outlook can start facing some serious >competition, although there's still a long way to >go. (Evolution does not yet emulate all the >Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate >with Exchange Server.)
A better way of putting this is "does not COMPLETELY integrate with Exchange Server". I'm running it with my company's Exchange servers, via IMAP, LDAP, and SMTP, and the only thing not working is Calendar and shared TODO.
>Previous versions of Office (Office 97) were >pretty obvious due to the "office quickstart"
>icon that it places in the "startup" group.
>Later versions of Windows however, have a
>DLL cache which allows DLLs to be stored for
>preloading on bootup.
It seems to me that this was what I describing. Task Manager can really only be counted to tell you total system memory allocated
Your post appears to agree with what I was saying. Maybe you should re-read it?
jf
I didn't say it was a bad thing. My statement actually had no conclusion or judgement call whatsoever.
jf
Tell you what...do what I did a few years ago, when I wanted to know why my nice beefy NT workstation was eating most of my memory, with no services running:
Install NT4. Note the available memory on bootup, before doing anything.
Install Office. Note the available memory after bootup, but before doing anything.
Do the math and wonder why JUST installing Office significantly decreased the available memory on bootup.
Start Office. Wonder why the used memory doesn't increase much at all. Hmmmmm.
A black box approach to be sure, but still very interesting.
jf
Please note that Office (any flavor) does not take "scant amounts of ram". Rather, it hides ram used in the system memory used column, and actually preloads many if not most of the Office specific DLL's on boot up, whether you want them or not. The memory that appears to be used by Office, is only the glue code that links the DLL/OLE/NET components together.
The reason that Office appears to launch almost instantanously, is that most of it was already loaded on bootup.
Just a clarification...
jf
Hmmmm. Config -> Setup
Check on 'enable-alternate-editor-cmd'
Check on 'enable-alternate-editor-implicitly'
Set editor to something like 'nedit'
Works okay for me. Of course, you DO have to use pine's text e-mail screen to set the recipient address and attachments, and then it spawns the editor when you try to move to the text area, but what else can you do for generic editor support in a text based application?
Of course this is a pretty one-sided article... from Verison's side.
If played the middle man in this type of situation before. You need to get the circuit up for the customer ASAP, and it isn't usually obvious where the problem is. It's been my experience that if a circuit (DSL, T1, Frame-Relay, whatever) doesn't come up, the first thing to do is open a trouble ticket with the telco. Sure it may be routing problem (which would be a provider, ie. Covad problem), but telco's usually take so long to work on trouble tickets, you HAVE to open a ticket up immediately just in case it is a telco problem.
I see this as Verison slapping Covad (who is actually a competitor) with a lawsuit for just doing business. Probably no conspiracy at all.
jf
I really dislike extremely misleading articles like this. Avery Lee said that he is asking for HELP to enforce the GPL with Vidomi, not that he's filing suit. There are other forms of help that do not necessarily involve litigation.
I've been a VirtualDub supporter/contributor (financially) for a couple of years. It's a great program, and Avery, what I know of him, is a pretty quality guy. Is he thinking of suing Vidomi? I don't know. And neither does anyone else, from the references posted in this article.
I, and I assume others, submitted a MUCH less inflamitory, more accurate entry. I wonder why THEY weren't used instead? It's this sensationalism in article selection and lack of even basic fact checking that really makes me wonder about value of Slashdot as a 'news' portal.
jf
That may be 'official', but I've got the latest nVidia driver working on my GeForce2MX card under 4.0.2 just fine. Both 2D and 3D have no problems.
If IP controls had been in effect from the dawn of media (records, tapes, etc..), I would not be able to transfer my beloved copy of Yogi Yoresson's "Yingle Bells" from it's origional 78 RPM record to CD. I would not be able to transfer my copy of "The Carl Stalling Project" from tape to CD (in which it is not available). I would not be able to preserve a friend's origional Edison cylinder recordings to CD.
If IP controls existed on books from day 1, I would not be able to read my 1885 edition of the 'Last Days of Pompeii', or my 1900's Harold MacGrath books, or almost half of my collection.
What this boils down to is this: If IP is locked to a specific media, the ability to read those media will eventually be lost and the IP will be lost to the public domain and to the general public. If you find a bunch of Edison cylinders, you may not be able to find a player, but you can build one fairly easily. If, in the year 2090, you find a bunch of DVD's, how will you be able to recover the audio and video from them? When the next big thing comes out for video, do you HAVE to buy all your favorite movies again, many of which may not be available?
>While i'm by no means from The Kansas Territory ;-)
:)
>(little Colorado joke
If you look at old maps, the 'Kansas Territory' used to extend to the great divide of the Rockies. That's right, Mountain-Boy, unless you live on the west side of Colorado, we used to own you!
Ironicly, I'll be moving to Boulder in about 3 weeks.....
Background.
:)
I was raised in the rurals of SouthEast Kansas, in on of the most agricultural (read 'poor') counties in the state.
I had the distinction in the mid 80's of being about the only person in the whole county with a computer, and certainly the only geek in my school district, maybe the whole county.
I've lived in Lawrence for the last 11 years. Here's my take on the whole thing.
1. Emmett hit the nail right on the head when he said "The greater Kansas City area is not only one of the most conservative areas in the country, it's also an area where proprietary software reigns supreme in both server and workstation markets."
This is not 'conservative' as in political or religious, but in decision making. Kansans/Midwesterners as a whole are very resistant to change. Not a horribly bad thing, but when it comes to things like technology and Linux, it can be a very hard sell.
Now, having said that, every place I've worked in the last few years, I've made converts to the One True Way. Places like Sprint have lots of pockets of Linux, but completely unofficially. Heck, my primary workstation was 'illegal', since the first thing I did when I got there was wipe 'blessed' NT install off the system, and install RedHat. There could be a lot of interest in Linux in the area, if they can be shown how it helps them, and that it is not a dangerous thing for them to pursue. Which leads to:
2. No one knew about the show.
I didn't know about it until is was already in progress, and it was talked about here on Slashdot. Unfortuately, I was in Dallas at the time, and couldn't attend.
ESR comes to friggin Lawrence, and I couldn't be there...AAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHhhh! And I would have brought my guns, too!
But also, local trade shows don't do horribly well in KC. People are hard pressed to justify taking off a day or an afternoon to attend. Employers don't like it, and unless it is a big event, it just doesn't happen.
A previous employer of mine did one of the small trade shows in the KC area, and it wasn't worth it.
So again, Emmett is completely correct in is statements. Using the grass-roots resources in KC could make for a good show, but it would be much better if it were more of a conference and training event, than just a trade show, like USENIX (which, BTW, was also last week). That would bring people in.
Anyway, I'm sorry I wasn't there to help, or even know about it until after the fact. And it makes the whole area look bad. There are actually a lot of talented, hard-working people in the KC area, not just a bunch of hicks.
CNet bought most of them a couple of years ago from other people. I'm sure it wasn't TOO easy for them...
jf
Nope. Good power supply, works great, except for the few little picky things I mentioned, which are all compatiblity or code maturity problems.
jf
>After some poor experiences with servers in the
>K6-2/3 range, I'm a little gun shy of VIA and
>FIC.
That's funny. My 503+ FIC mobo was a WONDERFUL board that I never had a problem with. I put three different processors in it, from a K6-233 to a K6-2 300 to a K6-3 400 and never had a problem with the board. The only downside that I found with the Via chipsets were that their PCI DMA controlers weren't as good as Intel's, and some PCI cards like sound cards and capture cards would drop data.
> The one using IDE also had a hard lockup. Not
> even the power switch worked -- had to pull the
> plug.
I did have problems with some UDMA/33 devices locking on the VIA K6 chipsets. But that was primarily a cheap cdrom that didn't do UDMA very well.
The VIA K133 chipset motherboards are supposed to run very well.
jf
Just built a Athlon 650 on a FIC SD-11, which is probably the weirdest Athlon motherboard out there. Not bad, just weird and somewhat picky.
There were some issues:
1) The VIA ATA/66 chipset on board + linux didn't like my Maxtor 30GB HD using DMA when my CD-RW drive was running, and would cause hard locks. I replaced it with a Seagate ATA/66 IDE drive, and all is well.
2) The Irongate AGP is only recently well supported for DRI, and probably still needs some polish.
3) The interactivity does get somewhat sluggish with XFree 4.0 when there is a lot of hard drive activity.
4) The interactivity under X was extremely slow until I turned on UDMA on the hard drive using hdparm.
That all said, the system is quite fast and extremely stable, once I got the HD situation figured out.
I think that the IDE support needs some work for VIA Athlon chipsets (which is an experimental patch for the kernel, BTW), but other than that, no problems.
jf
Which would be really odd, since almost all of Duke Nukem(tm)'s best lines (including 'come get some') were stolen, ripped-off, kiped, and otherwise taken from 'Army of Darkness'.
Sad...
jf
> 451 has an edge over these other works, in that
:)
> it preaches to the choir as few works of art
> ever have.
I disagree. The book has been revered by book lovers, but it's origional popularity was also shared by the general public.
The book was written in a time where wholesale banning of books was still the norm, not just an occasional outrage. F-451 was banned from many libraries itself. McCarthy-ism (sic) was in full swing and anyone 'different' was targeted by society at large and frequenly labeled as a 'troublemaker', 'freak', or 'communist'.
Sound familiar?
There is a short story referenced by F-451, in which a man is stopped by police and arrested for walking for enjoyment, because it was against the norm.
Not only that, but the story was origionally published in a shorter form in a magizine (Harpers?), not in book form.
> Bradbury claimed that once he had the idea for
> this book he was able to write the entire book
> in one sitting.
And he pretty much had to. He was renting a typewriter in the basement of a local library for 10 cents an hour, in a time when he was dirt poor.
And re-read my post. How can you have crippled OEM sales if you never had them to begin with? ATI destroyed that potential, not Microsoft. It was a minor point in my post, anyway.
jf
Sorry. Make that mid 90's...
jf
I'm not a slashdot admin (but I could play one on TV!), but I am painfully familiar with PIXs.
The idea behind the PIX, or any firewall-like object, is to allow 'good' traffic (http, smtp, etc) into the production network, and reject 'bad' traffic (oddball ports, like port 0, unauthorized UDP traffic, etc).
The problem with the PIX, is that it is essentially a fairly stupid router that can do network address translation and other bells and whistles, but it does it poorly. VERY poorly. It was designed as a network address translation system back in the mid 80's (anyone remember all the "We'll run out of IP's by 1997!") by a company that Cisco later bought. Cisco took the product, did a logic problem ( "Firewalls can do address translation. PIX does address translation. PIX is a firewall!"), and had themselves a firewall.
Its configuration makes a lot of sense to someone familiar with cisco router ACL rules, but no one else.
They are probably much better off with the BSD box. Although it's not a good idea to advertise their security infrastructure layout to the world. (Hint, Hint, CmdrTaco!)
jf