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Evolution 1.0 Released
jdavidb writes: "I pulled up the Ximian redcarpet updater this morning and discovered that Evolution 1.0 is finally available! Now Outlook can start facing some serious competition, although there's still a long way to go. (Evolution does not yet emulate all the Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate with Exchange Server.)" Here's Ximian's full announcement. Update: 12/03 14:59 GMT by T : Nat Friedman of Ximian points out that they're offering a software extension which does allow integration with Exchange 2000. There's good story on the new iteration of Evolution at NewsForge, too.
By Microsoft, natch.
I run slackware, but Ximian Gnome looks really great. I looked into it and it seemed that I would have some big problems getting it to work with Slack (7.X, updated kernel and such).
Anyone out there get it to work with a distro of Slack?
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No Outlook Viruses. I have to think that's a good thing, though most end-users may eventually want them supported too just so they feel more at home as they migrate off Outlook.
"Evil will always triumph because good is dumb." -- Dark Helmet
See press release at Ximian's site. Available early next at $69 a pop.
>Now Outlook can start facing some serious >competition, although there's still a long way to >go. (Evolution does not yet emulate all the >Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate >with Exchange Server.)
A better way of putting this is "does not COMPLETELY integrate with Exchange Server". I'm running it with my company's Exchange servers, via IMAP, LDAP, and SMTP, and the only thing not working is Calendar and shared TODO.
Otherwise, download the binaries or source code.
I'd figure that Lotus Notes would be a *no brainer* for Linux considering their backing of the platform. Does anyone know what is holding them back? Are they just trying to shoot themselves in the foot or what?
Life is the leading cause of death in America.
Good grief - the story has only been on Slashdot 5 minutes, and http://red-carpet.ximian.com is
not accepting connections!
Evolution is actually a very nice app and I use it at home, mainly because of the nice conduits avaliable for Palm synching.
I hope it's finaly a stable program now, cause it had lot's of nasty bugs.
Ciryon
Full compatability with MS Exchange Is coming
Evolution does not yet emulate all the Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate with Exchange Server
This is called an opinion, an obscure one, but an opinion after all.
Slashdot can't write a think about Microsoft without say "Microsoft Sux".
I think that is boring read all the same again and again.
Ximian roolz, but don't blame Microsoft when the news don't are about Microsoft.
I like Evolution... really, I do. Except, I can't use it. We use Exchange at work, and there's nothing I can do to make Evolution work.
I think Ev v1 was roadmapped to integrate with Exchange -- since it doesn't it's not a viable option for corporates who primarily use Windows, but have people using Unix.
But, Exchange is not the be-all and end-all, tight integration with Lotus Domino would be excellent. Lots of big corporations use Notes heavily, and require a Windows client (Domino web services aren't great)
Perhaps an open standard for groupware (discussion, IM, calendar, to-do etc.) could be adopted, and through that Exchange/Notes -> new standard could be employed, aloowing other people to bring integration with whatever groupware server they want to Evolution and other clients?
Could be a very bad idea, but it's just off the top of my head!
Dave
Looks like gnome development is going well now ... along with Galeon 1.0 being released a week ago, some of the critical apps are starting to get 'solid'.
Another twist in the KDE vs. Gnome fight?
Not until it runs on Windows and Mac...
Much as I love Linux, I don't think it quite has the same prevalence on the desktop.
This sounds like the true Exchange solution many of us are looking for - It is proprietary and closed though.
Before the flamage on Ximian begins, let me just say, that the businesses that this product is for have already invested in closed source software, so I think its a great idea to finance Evolution this way.
Great job guys, keep it up!
(Evolution does not yet emulate all the Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate with Exchange Server.)"
Maybe you've hit on something important here....
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Until it fully supports Exchange Server, it'll never be a serious competitor to Outlook.
Sorry, but face reality. In the corporate world it either has to be 100% compatible otherwise they just won't use it. Price is generally immaterial.
Plus any company who can afford Exchange Server will no doubt be able to afford licences for Outlook so the whole "but its free" doesn't really offset the fact that its not fully compatible.
However, in spite of all this, lets not knock them for a fine product. Always some work to do, but its definately on the right roads ...
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I've been using Evolution since I believe .6 (I've been on it for over a year) exclusively and have yet to have a problem with it. YMMV, but I'm very impressed.
this is getting old and so are you
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The main problem about merging seperate aplications into one common is teh lack of flexibility. I like to use a calendar aplication and a mailprogram but I see lite good in melting it alltogether in a single program.
It's not because(not only anyway) it's microsoft who wrote it outlook are full of bugs and securityholes, its because Outlook like Evolution have merged to many different tasks into a sigle aplication. This is a step away from the "unix-way" with small exchangeable intercooperable aplications, Therefor the open source movement are just asking for the same problems as we today see in outlook/exchange/ISS -systems...
In tetris there are only loosers
I'm using Evolution and Mutt as my primary mail clients now (I used to only use Mutt, but I forced myself into Evo so I could help with testing and bug reports). Evo is a very impressive application and I hope people who need such a tool will like it.
However, I don't need or want such a tool. I just want a mail client that logs into my IMAP server, reads and sends mail. That's it. Integrated {contact manager,calendar,task manager,whatever} is cool, but I don't want it. I need something that does a thing, and it does it well, and I hope that other mail(-only) clients will raise to the standard set by Evolution (so far only Mulberry was good enough but it's neither free or open source, and there are a couple things I don't like about it either).
Petru
Its mail client, unlike Microsoft Outlook, is very easy to use and secure.
Its security can only be tested by large scale deployment. Calling it secure now would be a bit premature.
Evolution 1.0 will do for open-source what the Segway has already done for the field of personal transportation.
Uhm, like what? Create a lot of hipe? (If that was a joke, you should have used a smiley.)
If there is hope, it lies in the trolls.
1) It won't yet do email alerts calendar events, or so the pop up tells me. So my cell phone won't beep me when a meeting is in ten minutes and I'm still eating burritos at the mexican restaurant on the next block. Sucks.
2) I can't expunge mail at all. It's got something to do with the UID EXPUNGE header while using IMAP and the commercial version of Sendmail running here. Pine can do it. Netscape can do it. So can Outlook. But Evolution can't. I've reported this issue, and unfortunately they didn't address it in the 1.0 release.
Evolution looks nice. But if I can't expunge my mail without loading up pine, then I'll stick with pine.
Bummer.
Software Wars
This would make an excellent "Red Meat" strip - it reminds me of the one where the kids find the dead clown...
What would the Ximian monkey evolve to? It certainly wouldn't be a certain biped.
Its nice, but I can't figure where they say its groupware. Currently, its a PIM. But, for some odd reason, there not intrested in intergrating it into a groupware application via XML-RPC or SOAP. If that where true, then they could start plugging into phpGroupWare. I have about 20 people a week asking me if I could ask them to do it, so I simply tell them to email there developers instead. Needless to say, nothing has come about.
Also, we actually have a client side application for Linux and Windows that is working. (Buggy, but works) Its still under heavy development, but it pretty easy to plug into. A more portable version is in the works.
Anyway, so people would stop asking me about it, please, email there development team and ask them to talk to the phpGroupWare guys about creating an XML-RPC or SOAP interface. I think these 2 projects would go hand and hand nicely.
So, for those complaining about the lack of an "exchange server" enviroment, something is there, just not being used.
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- Evolution becoming 1.0
- Galeon beeing 1.0
- Nautilus 1.0
- Gnumeric & Abiword steering towards 1.0
I have everything a Office-GNOMie ever wants & needs> I like Evolution... really, I do. Except, I can't use it.
"But Mom, all the other kids evolve!"
"If all the other kids jumped off a cliff, would you want to as well?"
Stupid parents, forbidding evolution. *sigh*
From the article, "And built-in synchronization keeps Ximian Evolution users' calendars, contacts and tasks up-to-date with their Palm handheld devices," which i'd consider a must before switching, but does anyone know if it supports irda sync? My palm3e synced to an old-skewl imac 2 years ago (still think it sucks that apple axed the ir port), and ir recently started working in windows, so i'd rather not go back to lugging the cradle around with my laptop if i can help it.
I know I'll be modded down as a troll but I want to "call" the Slashdot community on this one.
The exchange connector is NOT FREE SOFTWARE. Why is slashdot not calling a jihad against this? Is it only because the darling of Slashdot, Miguel, is the author? Were this ANY other company you'd all be foaming at the mouth and starting sourceforge projects to make a "free" version.
The benefits of a free connector would be great...I'd love to use Mutt against our exchange server at work.
For a group of people who have been at the genesis of every holy war against something that even smells slightly of proprietary, you're all quick to praise Ximian.
Personally, this stinks. If they REALLY wanted to help the free software community, this is EXACTLY the thing that should be released no strings attached. What's next, a Ximian-only implimentation of the MS-Word format?
It seems these sorts of products are enablers for microsoft to conitinue onward in the datacenter. Rather than legitimize exchange and .net - we would be better served providing a superior alternative.
Well, now I need to figure out how to migrate my email from Outlook 2002 (not Outlook Express), to Evolution. I _think_ I've got a way, but not sure. Has this feature been added to a recent version of Evolution?
The previous way I figured out how I could do this was to fire up Eudora, as it could open Outlook 2000 email files (not sure about Outlook 2002) - then once you've got your email in Eudora's format (related to mbox format, as I recall - could be wrong), then it was easy to convert to a UNIX way of things. If Evolution doesn't do this automatically, it certainly should. That's one of the big challenges of moving people from MS software to anything else - converting those file formats with ease, and doing so _perfectly_, every time.
Hmm - so we are going to have to pay for Ximian Connector (and by the way its in 10 packs I guess per seat?). That isn't going to help is it.
What's so special about Mandrake 8.1 that it can't use Evolution. Ximian supports Mandrake 7.0, 7.1, 7.2 and 8.0 but not 8.1.
An exchange connector is a library with a familiar interface that will handle all connections with the exchange server. Now, this Exchange connector for Evolution is not GPL-ed software but proprietry closed source software. Because afaik in memory linking is also prohibited, how is Ximian going to solve any GPL conflicts? Or is the GPL not able to force its license on the connector?
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
For those of you who just want the Evolution 1.0 binaries, and not the whole Ximian desktop, go to ftp://ftp.ximian.com/pub/ximian-gnome/ and get the following packages:
* evolution
* libgnome-pilot0
* libgtkhtml20
* libnss3
Note, I installed under Debian, so other systems may be slightly different, however, this should be a very good place to start
Look for these guys to make the port. XDarwin
Mixing open source and proprietary is not bad, if it educates the public about the opensource world. Opensource is about freedom and innovation, as opposed to MS's "Freedom to Innovation®"
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This is already in the works and you can also download a windows and linux client written in delphi and kylix that hooks to phpGroupWare. Check out their website they have links to the downloads.
Got Code?
The exchange connector is NOT FREE SOFTWARE. Why is slashdot not calling a jihad against this?
Why are you asking us to?
Yes, some free software fanatics read Slashdot, but there are also a lot of us who think that free (in both senses) software and non-free can co-exist. In fact, I believe Ximian's strategy is the most sensible for new generation software companies - give away the basic product, sell the add-ons.
...it's not necessarily a busy mirror problem. I think it's real-carpet that's dying. I've had massive problems with it just hanging (and having to do kill -9's as root to get rid of it). I'm not the only one who has experienced this problem either; I've talked to others on IRC who have also had problems. The trick seems to be to remove everything out of /var/cache/redcarpet and then running it again.
:p But it was a Red Hat 7.2 system upgraded to the latest Helix Gnome only about a month and a bit ago).
;-)
By the way, I just connected and it seems there is an "Urgent Update" for red-carpet, which brings it up to version 1.1.4-ximian.8. (Sorry, I can't tell you what my previous version was, 'cuz I already upgraded.
Gnome is looking hella good these days. I'm sure Evolution is just as good, but I have no reason to give up Pine anytime soon.
If only OpenMail were opened: the last best hope Exchange replacement is explained in this article on linuxworld.com. That hope was OpenMail by HP.
spouting off before I read the message
Got Code?
they gotta make money somehow, dude. giving away free software ISNT one way of making money.
"I keep looking in the want-ads under 'revolutionary' but there don't seem to be any listings.. "
After all this holier-than-thou smear attacks against Qt/Trolltech and KDE, the premier GNOME outfit is now offering closed, proprietary software as well:
Ximian Connector for Microsoft Exchange add-on products will be sold and distributed under a proprietary license. Interested customers should visit Ximian at www.ximian.com for more information. The Ximian Connector is priced at $69 ($599 for 10 pack, $1499 for 25 pack) and comes with 90 days of web-based installation support.
I have nothing against commercial software, but with this move GNOME-ers have lost the right to ever, ever bitch in any way shape or form about the fact that Qt is a commercial toolkit or that KDE is based on it.
Looks like Ximian needs to make money too and they finally woke up that open-source is great and everything...but it doesn't pay your employees' salaries. Something Trolltech has known all along and got so much slack for it...until the core GNOME-ers finally realized the same thing.
Welcome to the real world.
Anyone know why the Secure MIME option isn't available from the security mail settings? Is this a feature planned for later, or am I missing a package of some sort?
--It's Pimptastic!--
... making something like this successful.
Microsoft Exchange Server with the Outlook client is a tried and tested product. It's been around for donkeys years and several other projects have been created and tried to compete, and some have failed and the remainder are just sitting on the back burner really.
Lotus Domino and Novells Groupwise do have a market share, IBM even give Domino/Notes away with servers (well, the used to, not sure if they still do) but do you see them overtaking Exchange & Outlook? No.
So sure, Outlook suffers from the scripting issues which spawn viri, but that hasn't made the world rush to go buy Notes or Groupwise or whatever - so why should this product make any difference?
I've not actually looked at this product as I can't get to their site now (slasheffected).. But what does it really have to offer that could even put Notes etc. in the shade?..
It'd have to be some kind of miracle..
"Never let the truth get in the way of a good story..."
And what did you have to pay to get Outlook in the first place?
;)
This is a small price to pay to reach ESCAPE velocity from Outlook.
If you're really concerned about the price, why not submit your timesheet to Ximian with the hours you spent helping develop the connector -- i'm sure they will cut you deal
Old age and treachery almost always overcome youth and skill.
I use PINE for my Exchange integration Email work. Works perfectly - apparently PINE is as much integrated with Exchange as Evolution is, until they start selling their component that'll connect to the calendar.
The calendar is the only reason I keep Outlook around, really.
My real problem with Evolution is, it looks like Outlook. I cannot use Outlook for Email. I find the interface to be completely horrible, unintuitive and hard to keep organized. The whole "Rules" thing just does not work. With PINE, if you want to save a message to a different mailbox, you hit "S <ENTER>". With Outlook you have to Drag'n'Drop. Imagine that for 200 messages.
Maybe it's because I've been using PINE for god-knows how long, but GUI mail clients just don't work for me.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is kinky.
Greetings.
Ximian is great, except for one little detail, which prevents me to recommend it. From what I gathered in the monkey talk chat room and elsewhere is that once you install Ximian, you are mostly stuck with the current version of your distribution.
For instance, Ximian and Red Hat 7.1. Red carpet does not allow (at least I have not found any links) to upgrade to Red Hat 7.2. I was told that one must uninstall Ximian Gnome before upgrading to RH 7.2. That is not very user friendly. BTW, how does one uninstall Ximian Gnome? Anybody have the receipe for upgrading a system with Ximian installed? An easy receipe BTW? (Not manually identify and manually remove each rpms for instance).
This system upgrade is the one serious piece missing, which for the moment prevents me to recommend Ximian to others. And by ricochet, I cannot recommend Ximian's Evolution.
Sincerely,
Hans Deragon
Remember the year 2000? They promised us flying cars. They delivered the PT Cruiser...
Gents I do not have time to hack it together but it would also be damn easy to expose ms cdo via xml-rpc to provide a exchange connector.
Got Code?
Go to Contacts. Pick Tools -> Addressbook sources from the menu.
Hit the Add button.
Under the Basic tab: Account name can be whatever you want. Server name should be the IP address of the Exchange server. Check the "Requires Authentication" checkbox, and enter your e-mail address (the address of your mailbox on the Exchange Server).
Under the Advanced tab: Leave the port at 389, the default. Under search base, enter a string of text like this:
ou=My_Facility, o=My_Company, c=US
If you don't know what to enter for ou and o, you've got two options. If you have a nice Exchange admin who doesn't mind you using an unsupported e-mail client, you can ask them. Otherwise, you can use an LDAP browsing tool to check out the Exchange server.
Make sure you enter the country code! (that's the c=US in my sample above). Leaving this out made my addressbook not work.
For search scope, pick "Sub."
-Abe
Hey, anyone know of any other projects based on the evolution code-base? I kinda like evolution from what I have seen of the pre-release versions. It looks like a real progression. However, I am sure there are alot of people like myself who like the advanced email features that arent really present in other linux-based mail programs. However, I really do not want a calender, schedules, task lists etc.
In the same way that the Mozilla code base has been hacked - in a generally reductionist way - to produce the much-improved Galeon and promising K-Meleon, I feel that Evolution could benefit from the same process.
Offers, anyone? Im a little busy right now.....
They're wonderful keys that allow you to select more than one message at time. much faster than hitting "s " 200 times.
I'm not trying to troll here, but I have strong doubts that Ximian will survive. But, before I continue, let me congratulate them on Evolution, as it is a very high quality product, and my preferred mail client.
From the newsforge article, quotes from Nat Friedman, vice president of product development:
"We expect less than we would have expected awhile ago. I think that people understand that businesses have to survive. And the people know that the bloody carcasses of Open Source companies line the horizon right now."
and
"It is proprietary is because they (Ximian) intend to make money from it."
Effectively what I see here is an admission that open source software just isn't getting the bills paid (at least for Ximian, and Eazel RIP), and that they need to sell proprietry software in order to keep afloat.
Unless we see open source companies like ximian generate significantly more revenue from services related to their open source projects, we just aren't gonna have the pleasure of using new products from them for much longer.
I don't mean to be cynical or anything, but wouldn't it be better for Linux developers to take their own path and develop their own products, rather than try to emulate and work with Microsoft software? Yes, I know, they have market saturation and all that..but where's the appeal in using Evolution when in all likelihood Microsoft will break compatibility with it in every consecutive release? Most tech. managers faced with the choice of Outlook or a great Outlook-like program that unfortunately breaks every time they update Exchange is going to pick Outlook itself, even if it isn't free.
However, what should be remembered is that Notes is a database and workflow application. It is not an Emailer or even a PIM.
See my journal, I write things there
Maybe a little off-topic but...
Is there a way to change the default print command from 'lpr' to 'mpage -2ft'? Every time I change it, it goes back to 'lpr' the next time I print. Galeon remembers the command, but evolution does not...
Is there a config file or X resource that will allow me to permanently change this?
Just wondering...
I'd be the first to admit that I much prefer KDE/Qt, both from a user and technical viewpoint, but it is excellent to see GNOME and GTK+ applications making great strides too.
There was a point not so long ago where I feared that GTK+ and GNOME had lost their way completely, and that would have been sad - I think the friendly (and sometimes not-so-friendly ;) rivalry and cross-pollination between the systems has been a bigger win than the split of resources has been a loss. Neither system can afford to sit on their laurels for too long or else the other will take up the slack and make them irrelevant.
It does remain to be seen, however, what will happen with GTK+/GNOME 2.0 - it has been a very long time in coming, and in the meantime KDE 2.x has built up a very large (but not unassailable) head of steam. It's very important that the GNOME guys get 2.0 right (not like the 1.0 release - remember that disaster?) if they want to continue to be more than a bit-part player.
I watch the mailing lists with interest... it's a great soap opera :)
This is what many people fail to understand about Notes; it is primarily a database application. Many people use it solely for email, and then complain about it. The one thing that I like very much about Lotus Notes is that users have the ability to easily build their own custom views in order to look at the data however they want. This keeps the database creator/maintainer from having to do it for them.
"To hope's end I rode and to heart's breaking: Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!"
"Now Outlook can start facing some serious competition..."
C'mon! Are you serious? I realize it's cool that it's released, but don't be a moron. I'm sure MS and all are just quakin' in their boots.
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I love how a shitty mail client clone for L00nUx comes out and it's praised to hell and back, yet the same day a revolutionary vehicle control system is revealed by an astounting inventor and it's slammed because it has nothing to do with Open Sores.
You guys are pathetic.
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The tide obtains more soil from your laundry.
The cheese on the pavement is on fire.
Your pants have said me to go to the warehouse and to take some eggs. It is this correcting?
How one increases the page on this card of the message of Web?
Something is died within, or is that hardly your ass here?
I'd pay for the thing if I could use it with GroupWise here where I work. They refuse to use the web interface...probably because they don't know how to run it without it much less with it. I just hate having the boss crawl up my tuckas because I didn't get his message... b/c he refused to send it via regular email. blech.
Shake it up thoroughly, and then try to open the bottle.
Works like a charm.
Now quit wasting our time with your stupid messages...
Ok, so ftp.ximian.com is clogged. Good fro Ximian! Sounds like Evolution is getting a lot of attention. But, of course, it's bad for those of us trying to get at it. Anyone know of some mirrors?
/pub/redhat/updates are installed)?
While I'm at it, does anyone know specifically which RPM's are needed to use Evolution without Ximian GNOME on RedHat 7.2 (assuming that all the updates from
company releasing an Outlook clone. If you like it so much,
why don't you use Outlook in the first place?
I doubt that "Microsoft is evil, so make products that imitate
theirs" is that good a strategy. The world won't be any better
when every windows luser is a linux luser, people won't get a
clue just by switching their OS.
Where are the times gone when Free Software was about building
great programs that work, instead of caring about integration
with proprietary crap like Exchange? It's Exchange and Outlook
that are broken, not their free, standards-compliant counterparts!
Evolution wanted one version of pilot-link, and KDE PIM wanted another...but the packages are mutually exclusive (a rarity, but it happened).
Can this be forced & patched with a simlink?
Personally, I prefer Evolution to KDE PIM, but I'm looking after a few different computers and want to leave the option of what one to choose up to the user. For now, Evolution wins so KDE PIM gets yanked though it would be nice not to have to pick and choose.
A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
It can access the MAPI.dll needed to break open the .pst files that Outlook generates. At that point, zap all the mobx files over to a share that your Linux box can see, and Evolution will import them, attachments and all.
I did this about three weeks ago and while it took about 30 mins from start to finish (three years worth of Outlook messages clocking in at about 3000 seperate emails), it worked like a charm.
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galeon 1.0 was released with known crashing bugs.
they blame the shitty libraries from mozilla and gnome that
they depend on. no doubt gnome and mozilla blame something
else for their crashing. like 'lusers' not having the right
date of CVS of gnome-whosit-whotsit (werent you hanging out on gimp.net #gnome 24/7 paying attention?
its just like school, they are professors who cannot be bothered with those who dont show up for lecture).
anyways, if you dont believe me, go to galeon.sf.net and read the mailing list archives.
or go to bugillza.gnome.org and read all the crashing bugs on galeon.
basically, the people in charge galeon dont really care
if it crashes, and the users are so demoralized with
asking for the crashes to stop, that its just going to get shitty.
Some of us don't have 1GHz/256MB computers.
I don't see any problem with charging for the Exchange connector. Think of it as encouragement to go open source!
Let's say you're a small company with an Exchange server. You pay for Exchange. You pay for CALs. Then someone installs Evolution and lets some of your people access Exchange without buying into the whole MS-$$-desktop licensing (I'm thinking support people, especially). You're still paying something, though, to make Evolution work with Exchange.
Then someone says, "You know, Evolution would work just as well with Courier/Cyrus/whatever as an IMAP backend, and then we wouldn't have to pay for the Exchange server or the Exchange connectors.
And there's your incentive to go open source.
Also, this puts the onus of supporting Ximian on the corporations, who can afford it. If I want to use Evolution for myself to access my IMAP server, it's free. If I want to use it to get into Exchange at work, I get my boss to spring for a license. I'm happy, he's happy, Ximian stays in business.
Caveat: Exchange still wins in the corporation until Evolution + Open Source server XYZ can provide shared calendaring and scheduling.
Sorry moderators, the sad sad truth is that ,its down.
alot of these '1.0' programs have extremely
unprofessional behaviors, like crashing alot.
I dont care if 'microsoft crashes so its ok to crash'.
Microsoft has alot of programs that dont crash.
And alot of other companies do too. And really,
what gives you the right to sit there lying to people,
filling them up with expectations, like 'this program will run'?
People used to say "linux doesnt crash" all the time. I'm sorry,
you are in la-la land. I have no problems whatsoever
locking up the X server, only to hear a bunch of
whiny linux freaks tell me "its not really locked up, just
ssh in from an ethernet connected box". i dont have an ethernet connected box.
"shrug, works for me". now , i know most of the moderators
do not understand why this is bad. they do not understand
that hurting peoples feelings is wrong, that lying to people
is wrong, that building up false hopes and then smashing them is wrong,
or that treating peoples problems like they dont mean anything is wrong.
but it is wrong, and it is the main,no, the only thing holding
back open source software... the 'we dont need to
write good programs that dont crash, we dont need
to write documentation, we dont need to care about
the users, we are open source emperors' attitude that
floods the open source community, particularly the moderator
community of slashdot. this is why i fled to kuro5hin,
but goddamnit
and people wonder why the market crashed?
its because of fucking idiots like these moderators
who try to sweep every problem under the rug
instead of paying attention to it.
yes, they claim they *will* have an echange plugin, but not until next year. this means vaporware for now. Not only that, but it will be released under a proprietary licence and cost nearly $70 for one, or $600 for a ten pack. I could buy MS Office XP Premium through my school for less than $70, so what's the advantage of evolution if you have to buy the exchange plugin at an exorbanant amount of money?
idiot idiot idiot idiot.
the only thing 'good' about it is the marketing hype.
One thing people are forgetting is that MS outlook clients are 100% FREE for all machines that connect to an Exchange Server. You don't have to pay for the client piece, it's all handled in the CAL's (which you have to purchase for every machine that connects to the Exchange server regaurdless of the platform you are connecting with.
Are you lonely? Hate having to make decisons? Meetings, the practical alternitive to work.
This is more of a plea for help then anything, but I do have an intelligent point in the end about the whole thing and me very definitely wanting to go to something more standardized and NEVER use another frivkh,fgjd,h ...
.wab file of 180k in size, and the only
.WAB file? Surely a frkin multi-billion dollar company can make a decent save and secure contact program that one can rely on for ones data.. no?? Appearently NO.
:(
:)
Outlook Express and Outlook seem to have different addressbook formats. I believe I started my address book in outlook 2000, but its possible an update of express crept on and defaulted itself or something or other, who knows.. for some reason I can't seem to open up my contacts of info that I have assembled during the last year.
I can't tell you how disstressing that is.
Its a
thing I can come up with is that it might be
corrupted.. I even searched MS's knowledgebase
about the issue to discover that they basicly
point you to a 3rd party in order to deal with
.WAB files and suggested instead about exporting
to comma delimited files, which honestly I should have known better to do.. but I figured whats wrong with the
Eh. Anyway. So for anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, I would REALLY love to be able to open that file, and would shower anyone with praises for the answer. This is like the first time in a long time I'm dealing with potentially damaging data loss.
But it raises an interesting point for discussion about all this crap happening in the first place too I think.
Sincerely,
-Matthew
Love jump up and down and be excited with you but I have to say these products are nothing to write home about.
Ximian (on 6.2 500mhz 512MB ATI & 7.2 800mhz 512MB nVidia) is slower than molasses uphill in January. Totally unusable for day to day work. Looks nice slow as shit.
Evolution is also slow and v1.0 has done little to improve that. Further it is a clunky way to do mail.
I am open to suggestions to get it up to speed but my current experience with it is that it is too slow to be used.
<OSX uber alles>
ty, tyvm
This
Close on the heels of this development, Microsoft announced that its software would be fully in compliance with all laws concerning munitions exports and creationism.
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I'm personally working on translating Shakespears entire works to include smillies and emoticons, to make them more suitable and understandable for the modern readership. A small excert:
:("
"Alas, poor Yoric
When will there be a filter on slashdot to weed out all news from the trying-to-make-linux-look-like-windows dept.? For me, and for a lot of the people I study and work with, OutLook was never a serious alternative to the MUAs we use (such as Pine, VM, Gnus etc). What is the "news for nerds" in a OutLook-a-like MUA?. It's not stuff that matters :(
-larsch
The description of this Connector makes it look like it might live on the server side.
Does exchange itself have a plugin architecture? When I used to be responsible for the care and feeding of Outlook clients the saddest thing was watching the parasitic developers that developed Outlook add-ons try to keep up with changes in Outlook. These, mind you, were Microsoft's friends, at least for as long as it takes for Microsoft to implement all the extra features of fax clients and remote access accelerators into Outlook proper. If Ximian intends to keep up with Microsoft on Microsoft's OS and groupware server, I'd reckon they're in for a wild ride.
Perhaps this connector will be a middleware Linux server translating between the Evo clients and the Exchange server. OK, now you're only trying to keep up with Exchange. Just remember to add the cost of a reasonably powered Linux box to the equation. Since this connector is proprietary, be prepared to get stuck with binaries that may not work with subsequent releases of the distro(s) they support. How happy would you be to admin a Redhat 5 box right now?
If this thing is client side, then it is surely an abomination.
"Things in the real world cost real money, son." Blah-blah-blah, this Ximian-Connector business still smells like bait-and-switch.
I hear chants of "It's not done 'til Lotus don't run" echoing in the distance.
you should moderate this troll down,
like all the other linux bashers!
go back to windows if you dont like it!
you luser!
(note: this character was created from actual events on irc.)
> Now Outlook can start facing some serious competition, although there's still a long way to go.
.. Outlook works on PC's Loaded with Windows ..
.. what about the KDE users? Sorry .. for there to be true competition to the M$ advantage a standard desktop for Linux is going to have to emerge .. right now the camp is too factioned.
Not likley
This is only going to work on PC's Loaded with Linux Running XIMIAN/GNOME
modem users in remote places are pretty much forced to upgrade.
ignoring the needs of these people is, to quote Ed Wood,
"STUPID STUPID STUPID."
yeah, doing so great. no layoffs there!
i got 0.99 up and running on Slack 8, using the Linuxmafia Packages. It was no problem...but don't forget to download the nss-package too like i did. ;-)
I think evolution really is a nice mailclient and organizer but i couldn't get my palm to sync with it. But what would be life without challenge?
Lispy
show me a linux word processor (hell show me an
X server) that can do that.
no, wait, dont show me, because you will probably
just lie or stupidly suggest abiword or koffice.
no, moron. those do not work. i spent years in college
living with shit ass old hardware like 486 with no memory, and there is absolutely
nothing out there that is acceptable. i got by with abiword, when it wasnt
crashing, screwing up my fonts, displaying text wrong,
etc etc etc. but i preferred to work with 'clarisworks' on the macintoshes
in the computer lab. however, lots of people can use
word just fine on this old stuff. it just shows
how stupid and out-of-touch linux people are with reality.
get a motherfucking grip you smelly pathetic
upper class twits.
I think with the help of cygwin it should be able to be done. AFAIK there is also a w32 port of GTK?
I think Attacking Outlook on his home place is a real chalange and worth wile to go.
Allso it allows you the soft toe - dipping, like using StarOffice/w32 before switching the whole machine no *nix+X11.
copy the backup .wab file onto some place and see if you can look at it.
Using Evolution with Exchange is going to cost a company more than using Outlook. When deploying Exchange you buy a server license, either standard or enterprise, and then you buy client licenses for each user. Along with that license you also get an Outlook license.
If we wanted to move to Evolution we'd still have to pay the same amount, and then have to pay for the Exchange connector on top of it. The price just went up $70/user to move to Evolution. I can't seem to locate my quote for our Exchange migration here, but a quick check shows a 5 user client access pack for Exchange is about $350...so the price per user just doubled.
I'll pay it... I've been waiting for this since Evolution was first announced. Every LinuxWorld I ask them about Exchange support so it's nice to see it coming soon. But, it will be harder for someone else to do a mass migration.
Something to consider.... I hope it works for them. I see Ximian as a company that needs to stick around for the Linux desktop to really take off.
how do I set up slapd as it comes with debian to make it interact with Evolution? I've read all those readme's I've found, but nothing worx...
how important is the years worth of contacts? .WAB files for a couple hundred bucks.
a couple hundred? couple thousand? im sure
some 'third party' could help you out, i mean
they have people who recover floppy disks from
fires etc, surely there is someone who can deal
with broken
the community created an open source plug-in that
was analogous to connector?
As a side note, I think they've found a great balance between being open source and still selling code. Most of the mass of the app is free, and that rules.
otherwise your would know that for those companies reuqire full connectivity, they can just buy Ximian's fullo exchange support plugin.
Besides, linux kernel is monolithic, perl is anything but a small specialized tool... There's no One True Unix way to begin with. The idea of piping small simple tools together is a neat one, but it's NOT all encompassing religion.
the anonymous servers take up to 24 hours to mirror from the locked down servers as they always have... do you have ANY idea how much data is in the gnome CVS tree?
I get, "Could not create composer window: unable to activate HTML editor component." Version 1.0 of Evo shouldn't have this problem, it's one of the core features.
... pine is great.
Maybe it's not Evolution, maybe it was Red Carpet (I do have the latest Red Carpet) not installing something. Maybe it's an isolated case, probably not. But, it still doesn't look good on Ximian's part.
Someone may reply to this saying, "It's simple you damn newbie, just blah blah blah", but 1.0 should work with no tweaking involved. I mean, this type of software is for simplicity; to make newer people comfortable in Linux, right? They are going to have less of an idea on how to fix it, and when they hit a wall like this will, 99% of the time, reboot and go back to windows. They don't want to hear it. For me, i'm sticking with what works
When there's KMail and Aethera who fucks Ximian?
--exa--
Evolution is not for the die-hard linux user who's been using linux for years and thinks X is for wussies.
Evolution, and Ximian Desktop for that matter are for those individuals out there that make up, oh, probably 65% to 75% of the computer user market. You know, the people you love to bash on.
Computers aren't just a hobbiest or an uber-Geek domain. There are accounting, sales, marketing departments out there that require something butt simple. If you give them somethink like Pine they will Whine forever because Outlook was so much better. If you give them Evolution, they have less to whine about because evolution is a lot like Outlook.
It's an important announcement for the rest of the world that manages large amounts of NT/2K Server Farms to support Exchange, IIS and other things and needs a business case to move. things like this help make that business case.
As a rock-in-roll Physicist once said, No matter where you go, there you are.
..Outlook. Competition. Evolution?
:)
I thought things got better with evolution.
Though I expect Evolution will do well in Kansas.
LookOut! Evolution!
*cough* *runs off and hides from the evil moderators*
Man I usually tolerate differing opinions very well but you my freind are a idiot. XML-RPC is about a PLATFORM NEUTRAL rpc calling method. It has nothing whatsover to do with a firewall. When you are sitting at your desk with your IE browser and hit that submit button you are doing nothing more than xml-rpc does, so how is that circumventing a firewall?? (gawd I hate users)
Got Code?
If you look more closely you will see that evolution is based on top of a bunch of Gnome corba services. These services can be used by other front end applications.
Evolution is about as unixy as a guied desktop app can get.
I would like to see more open source software out there. Not to get it free. But so I(or others) can change things that the parent company wont. It also eases my mind that there are no inteninal back holes or spyware type code. Companies think to much about opensource == free. But thats not inportant
Open source isn't about free. Its about software freedom.
Sell the compiled/packaged software, but allow free downloads of the full and complete source.
The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive
The Exchange connector costs money? So, what? As long as it keeps this company a float.
I use Ximian Gnome and Evolution as my email client exclusively and have been VERY impressed. Sure, it is fluff to get my Slashdot headlines through the app but I love the integration of my PIM and email functionality. It is solid and I have yet to hit many of the bugs other people have seen (maybe RedCarpet is good for something besides taking up desktop space).
The app performs well and looks good. Now, if they could just get Gnome itself to speed up then I would be a happy camper. I am about this far from going back to WindowMaker because Kde and Gnome feel so slow next to Wmaker on a quick Celeron running SuSE 7.2.
ACK
There was some discussion about this on the devel list phpgroupware on which I normaly troll.
They said Miguel was not interested server-side-wise in an integration with anything else but IMAP. This is not only shortsided but dangerous since OpenOffice.Org has started making a scheduller and they are much more friendlyer towards phpgroupware.
Of course, developing a plugin for evolution is not that hard. Its real good code, it has sync plugins already so building some xml-rpc layer on a plugin for synching with phpgw (they both already support vcards and ldap and a bunch of stuff) so that who cares if miguel wont do it, you can do it yourself.
I think they are both great tools but I really would like to see evoltion become a phpgroupware client. It would leverage them both towards the sky since outlook will be integrateable -to some degree- with phpgrouwpare itself (since it will be an xml-rpc/SOAP server) and this would make more eyes turning their way. I think phpgw will be the next standard for groupware computing allover the world.
Now about Dominos (isnt that a pizza company?), lets stop beating a dead horse, it sucks, it stinks, it so ugly and badly designed and prop.
It will give you an aneurism trying to programm for it, its the worst thing that ever happened to computers next to windows 1.0. I would like to shoot their designers in all three tentacles and to reap all their eight eyeballs out.
So much for "stop" beating it....sigh...
Well there...thats my two bits....
Alex
NO SIG
Well, I guess you can go back to using a Mac if you want people to stop laughing at you. Mac OS X has a command prompt.
I have a website. It's about Macs.
For older versions of Outlook:
http://mbx2mbox.sourceforge.net/
For newer versions:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ol2mbox/
For Outlook Express 4 or 5:
http://www.gpl.no/liboe/
The links on the mbx2mbox page are quite useful -- that's where I picked up the others.
I bought a Lexmark T522 Series printer and the optional ImageQuick a while ago and not only didn't it work with Linux, when I opened it up it was full of big rocks of crack cocaine!. Ha ha Lexmark, BUSTED !
So I got addicted to crack and now my supply's running low and refils on crack cost a hell of a lot more than toner refils. I called "Lexmark" to have a salesman contact me and he showed up in a gold Lexus with mega-bass and tinted windows so I took off. Now Lexmark's threatening to kill my dog and I"m in the witness protection program.
Thanks a lot, mafia boy, thanks a lot!
No I am not kidding. I have to use windows at my office for now. If I could get this working in windows and Linux then I can move some people at my office off of Windows. I am already getting people off of MS Office on to Star office. I re wrote our Phone messageing system in Java so that would run on Linux. A windows version would be a big help.
Tech "We should move our front desk people to Linux."
Boss "Wouldn't that cause problems?"
Tech "Not at all all the programs that they need already run under Linux."
Boss "Okay lets give it a try."
But Notes is scriptable and has nice repository features (UID-based replication; hierarchical storage, etc.) and has very nice access management. So workflow is an obvious application. But so are other apps that involve sharing masses of text. Which is why there's now support for HTTP, POP, IMAP, LDAP, and god knows what else.
So of course IBM has ported Notes to Linux. But not the whole thing. The Notes server, which has become a separate product known as Domino, is available on Linux and every other platform IBM is into. IBM used to push the Notes client as a general-purpose message app, but it's so weird and kludgy that it really has not hope of a following except among Notes true believers.
The thing that bothers me about Notes is that it's sold as a workflow solution. What it really is is a platform on which workflow solutions can be built -- with a lot of development and integration effort!
Hiya,
I had exactly the same problem as you for Evolution RC 1 and 2. Took me a while to nut it out, so I'll save you the effort. Try this:
1. Download the gtkhtml-1.0.0 package
2. Install it
(just to make sure)
3. ldconfig
4. oaf-slay
5. killev
6. restart evolution.
That took me a month of bumming around to figure out but I finally found that evolution was missing a package dependency. GTKHtml is a bonobo component that communicates with oaf, without this package Evolution hasn't got an application to create a default compose email.
I mailed the Evolution maling list about my problem but it seems no one else has had that particular problem -- thought perhaps I corrupted the RPM database with a few too many --nodeps.
Cheers,
Joseph Tan
how many ximianers (ites?) are using Evo? Are they being forced to eat their own dogfood or do they still use pine or elm or mutt or whatever?
my blog: good times, man, good times
The Ximian Connector is priced at $69 ($599 for 10 pack, $1499 for 25 pack) and comes with 90 days of web-based installation support.
Note that the 10 pack ($59.90 per license) is cheaper than the 25 pack ($59.96 per license).
I/O Error G-17: Aborting Installation
Until it fully supports Exchange Server, it'll never be a serious competitor to Outlook.
I know, but they had to disable the automatic viral scripting features. For some reason, a few of the Outlook users think that's a bug, and not a feature.
-
--- Will in Seattle - What are you doing to fight the War?
$69 for Ximian Connector is totally unreasonable and will slow adoption of Evolution and Linux in the business world.
Considering that Notes/Domino has about 45% of the Groupware market (it's roughly tied with Exchange) then integration with Lotus would be a good idea. The problem, of couse, is that Notes servers and Domino servers are not 100% compatible (and there is still a sizable population old Notes servers still in use), so to do it right they would have to do some extra work to support both platforms. /Don
Something is seriously wrong with the Ximian FTP Servers. It causes NcFTP to SEGFAULT!! No other FTP client can connect either. Grumble stupid slashdot effect grumble.
Loban Amaan Rahman ==> Anagram of ==> Aha! An Abnormal Man!
Let's face it, any corporation that starts reformating hard drives and installing Linux on their office workers' PCs would be crazy -- the short term productivity hit while everyone learned the new system would be enormous! This is independent of whether or not there's a friendly Groupware or PIM app available for Linux.
A better solution for corporations would be to start small, and begin by migrating individual desktop applications while keeping the Windows platform. Once all of the desktop apps were switched (in a couple years) then they could switch the OS.
So the goal of creating a usable Linux desktop is noble, but if this is done without thinking about how corporations would actually do the migration, then Linux will never take over the corporate desktop.
I've been using it since the first version. And I haven't experienced ANY CRASHES since version 0.9!!
Everything is rock solid, it renders all webpages I visit just fine.
I especially enjoy cool features such as preventing popups, tabbed browsing, link toolbars, smart bookmarks, etc.
Not even the loved-by-all Internet Explorer can compete with Galeon feature-wise.
If you don't call that grown up, then you're either trolling or have a VERY badly configured system.
See here young man, this is no place for those sorts of comments! Please try to get into the spirit of Slashdot. There is only one right answer to any problem! All other options are the spawn of Satan. Please try to remember this.
I would have love to have been beside RMS to see him fall flat on his ass when he read the news... (he then quickly got up and his head spun completely around a couple of times and he started speaking in tongues... :-0 )
Remembering your name in the morning is already a good start...
I repeat it since I have points and the mods aren't bothering to read at 0 today:
The plugin runs as a component, not a library, so the communication is via a CORBA interface. Since no linking occurs (merely CORBA communication) there is no GPL violation, nor any need to re-license.
IAAL,BIANLY
If you are using non-latin alphabet, I will probaly have to wail till 1.2:
0
http://bugzilla.ximian.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1137
You know, American market is where most their ivestors are, so you have to wait - this is not priority for them.
Linux is stone-age. You should try MacOSX -- it has the power of unix but with a nice useable interface and good applications.
I've been watching Evolution with interest, but not enough to install the development versions. Now that it has a stable, release version (no doubt for certain values of stable), I want to give it a spin. However, one thing I don't seem to be able to find on Ximian's site is whether Evolution works with the standard mbox format so I can continue to use Pine as well. Because it's often necessary for me to ssh into my desktop box to access mail from machines that don't have X installed, I must use Pine (or Mutt), whereas it would just be an optional perk for me to have a GUI mail client.
Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
It depends on how you use pine.
/var/*/mail/username as your inbox, you can specify 'standard mbox spool file', and point it there.
If you use maildir, you can just point evolution at your maildir tree. End of story. I recommend using that.
If you use the 'standard mbox spool', of
Either of those ways will not move the mail from where it is. You can also use the standard mbox spool to point to additional folders in ~/mail, although it looks ugly in the display at the moment.
Or use imap (i would suggest this too).
Or import all your mail into evolution, and point pine to it manually (not ideal).
You dont make any sense, the license for a client outlook is more expensive than the connector and evolution is free of license cost.... This makes them even in cost which is good, considering its far much better and less insecure than outlook.
Leaving that alone, there are plenty niches where only the mail client is needed where you could get off all of windows as client and just have the exchange server on a server NT box. Now thats a lot of savings.
Another niche are Linux/UNIX sysadmins that have to use exchange and windows just because of a corp. decition to use it. Now they can throw away those windows machines and use evolution on their (horrible, CDE powered) solaris box.
To those trying to (not you), dont flame ximian for making a propietary extension to evolution, they have to eat and they will do it the right way, theyll charge to people stupid enough to use exchange in the first place, they aint charging me!
Alex
NO SIG
Just for those who care:
Ximian Evolution that works with Exchange 2000 - $69
Full retail boxes Outlook 2002 (XP) - $109
Prevent linux based DDOS's!
http://linux.denialofservice.org/
Well, I'm all for them making money, but in order to "prove" to my bosses that an open-source OS/mail solution is powerful, interoperable, and more cost-effective, I think I'm going to need a cheaper Exchange connector (US$69???).
Also, although I'm probably in the minority, we're still running exchange 5.5. Obviously, Exchange 2000 is different and based on past observations there's a good chance the API is different in subtle yet important ways, so I doubt a connector for 2000 will work with 5.5.
I haven't really been looking, are there other Exchange connector projects on the go??
Glenn
(Evolution does not yet emulate all the Outlook viruses, of course, nor does it integrate with Exchange Server.)"
I wish there was a Linux client to attach to an Exchange Server (I mean can't we all just get along), that would allow me to go to a linux desktop at work, instead of dual booting to 2000.
"It takes many nails to build a crib, but one screw to fill it."
Putting my personal preferences aside, I think Evolution 1.0 + Exchange plugin is excellent news for pushing Linux on the corporate desktop. I've just installed Mandrake and it's just as easy to install as XP (which I did same day on another machine). The two can also be made to look identical. With an Outlook clone the jigsaw is more complete ($69 is nothing compared to OS and Exchange licenses). Add a decent Word import/export filter to Abiword, which appears identical to Word in use to me, and you then have a drop-in replacement for M$ in the workplace.
Also, I think a lot of techies will be able to swing the $69 by claiming they often do work from home on their Linux box.
On the note of installing Linux, why do none of them offer an automatic basic install? I normally want to install my OS and get that the way I want it before I start installing any applications I need. So why force me to choose packages when installing? Can we please have an option: do you want to install applications now? And if the answer is no just get on and install the basic desktop (plus browser). This goes for all distro; Mandrake, Red Hat, etc.
Phillip.
Property for sale in Nice, France
From the Evolution ChangeLog: 2001-11-21 Jeffrey Stedfast
* README: Updated. Don't say that the user needs to copy their mozilla database files into ~/evolution, since Evolution now builds it's own default database files if they don't exist and also remove instructions for building with OpenSSL.
Evolution no longer supports S/IMAP, S/POP, S/SMTP using OpenSSL, you MUST have nss from mozilla installed to get SSL support for mail transfers.
After the last few release canidates having issues with SSL, I was sincerely hoping that 1.0 would work. I was disheartened to find OpenSSL support completely removed.
I am unable to find a reason for this switch, as both nss and openssl support had been implemented in the past I fail to see why they would remove support for it.
-- Morgan Collins [Ax0n] http://www.morcant.net/
Isn't there a Changelog somewhere? links please?
Are you sure you LINSUCKS basement dwellers can handle it? I mean, it's a cutesy looking GUI that looks like Outlook! You should all stick with your PINE or ELM crap, cause you all know those keystrokes right? Even when you are wacking off to pictures of the latest release of GNOME!
Yes, this is a troll.
How about a an Open solution to replace Exchange? We have Pop and IMAP. How about an open standard for Calanders and TODO Lists. One that many clients on many different systmes can support.
The "fix" in 1.0 is to just pop up an error dialog rather than crash the entire program. Yeah, that's nice, but I would consider sending email a critical feature.
Am I the only one with this problem?
Evolution looks cool, and it has several features I want, but if I can't perform simple tasks like clicking "New Message" without a crash, I shudder to think what else is wrong with it.
In the interim, I'm using Mozilla Mail (yeah, I know, I know) -- at least it has a (halfway) decent address book, decent UI, multi-account, multi-identity support, and the ability to read HTML mail. I dislike it, but when my boss sends me a message full of crazy M$ Word/Outlook HTML tags, I need to be able to at least read it. I'll switch to Evolution the first chance I get.
It looks, though, that I won't get that chance for some time yet...
"Anything is better than IE, and you can quote me on that." -- Wil Wheaton.
Is there *any* serious non-proprietary server-based calendar protocol in the world? If there is, I'd like to know about it. My mail sits on an IMAP server, my address book on an LDAP server, but my calendar gets clumsily spread around with synchronization...
Here, I'll ask you to call a jihad against Ximian and GNOME:
Miguel is a hypocrit. He publicly bashed Trolltech via KDE and forced them to free their software. He would not allow them to make money on proprietary software (or KDE to use the only toolkit available to them at the time they started).
I, myself, am not a free software fanatic. I care about this only because Miguel's hypocrisy is infringing on Trolltech's _right_ to make money in the free market system of the United States via proprietary software--yet he turns around and sells proprietary software himself while acting like it is _nothing_. Miguel's fanaticism with the mere thought of Trolltech turning into an evil dictator (such as you may say Microsoft is) harms the KDE crowd, which _is_ using the GPL license. He wants everything for himself. He is trying to gain control of the desktop via GNOME, he is trying to gain control of the _whole_ development platform via Mono. He has an obsession with Microsoft and it shows. He is chasing on their coattails via Evolution, GNOME, and Mono.
Now Miguel finally realizes that free software alone won't sell. "Ohh, now I see why Qt was proprietary!" Claiming this proprietary connector is a "small" part is just convering his tracks. What happens if he extends Evolution and relicenses it proprietary after a good number of people are using it? (after all, Ximian does hold the copyright and _can_ make it proprietary). This is the same reasoning that Miguel uses with KDE and Qt. Only, this time I, and everyone else, has _proof_ that Ximian swings the other way.