That was a truly hilarious troll... if I had any moderation points to my name, it would definately be moderated up!
Moderation is one of the best things about this place - I don't have to read the "Linux SuX, Windows RoX" troll posts, the mindless babble of people with nothing better to do. BUT, if a truly original troll with genuine humor comes along, it can often be moderated up as funny... that's what should have happened this time, IMHO...
Some trolls deserve better...
For those who have their settings as 1+, definately browse down to -1 and do a quick search for "News from the Linux Frontlines"... great stuff!!!
Well, sir, perhaps I was misleading when I said that I was currently *in* Pioneer Square - I was NOT trying to say that the turmoil was happening IN Pioneer Square. You are right, it has been mostly quiet throughout the day. Not completely quiet, but mostly - there was a group of people wearing black with costume blood carrying coffins and "mourning" around mid morning, for instance. (no, not the "black robed anarchists" - these were other protesters)
What I was saying is that "the Downtown area (starting 2 blocks north...)" was the location where these things were taking place. For the most part... pretty much completely... my post was referring to the downtown core, not where I currently am. I'm sorry for the confusion...
To clarify:
Yes, Pioneer Square has gone relatively untouched all day today. Yes, the protests affecting this area were last night - I was here working until 2am, and saw that, too. Downtown today was a horrible mess, and that was what I was talking about. I wasn't trying to say that this was armageddon, just that todays events were pretty wild and surreal.
And yes, when I posted the original post, there was an APC parked just up 1st Ave (just past Yesler), and another had driven by recently. There were also several helicopters that flew over this area on their way north. I didn't know when the Nat'l Guard was arriving, which is why I didn't say that they were here - just that they had been called.
On a side note - you said that all the homeless had been 'discreetly removed from the area'? What part of Pioneer Sq were they removed from? The same group of homeless are out in Occidental Park by the firemen statue that are always there - more, in fact, since the paddywagon that is usually parked near there isn't around.:)
I agree with your post for the most part, although it started out a little more hostile than it needed to be... just my opinion.
It was stolen early monday morning, and is most likely completely unrelated. Its a rumor that is probably just that - a rumor.
Here's the text of an article about it:
An alert went out to law enforcement agencies Monday that someone stole a truck loaded with propane.
Security officials at WTO in Seattle were among those notified.
Pierce County Sheriff's officials say the timing of the theft is causing alarm.
The propane truck had more than 2,200 gallons of explosive propane gas when it was stolen at about 3:00 a.m. Monday morning in an unincorporated part of Pierce County.
The Sheriff's Department issued a bulletin advising other agencies of the theft.
The sheriff's office also says there's nothing to link the theft to the WTO
From what I have seen (I am in downtown Seattle right now), there has been VERY minimal police violence, almost no injuries to people, and the vast majority of the protest WAS nonviolent.
There were a lot of people that started coming out, particularly toward the end of the afternoon/evening, who saw this as an excuse to riot and destroy property. There were also a large number of peaceful protesters trying to talk them down.
For the most part, the police simply used tear gas (not pleasant, but nonviolent), pepper spray, and some rubber bullets. Mostly gas and pepper spray. And they used it fairly sparingly until it became evident that something had to be done to get things under control, and they imposed the curfew. Then they got more agressive with the tear gas to get people OUT of the downtown area.
There was a lot of property destruction done by a small (in comparison) group of people, and the police, for the most part, excersized a good deal of restraint in dealing with it.
Also, for the most part, the protesters (peaceful) that I have talked to feel that today was a GREAT success, that their message was heard, and that their objectives were accomplished. I don't think that will get lost in the noise at all.
All in all, I must applaud both the peaceful protesters of today -and- the police. They both did their jobs, did them well, and nobody really got hurt (that I'm aware of). It could have been A LOT worse.
It is AMAZING what's going on outside right now. I work in the Pioneer Square section of Seattle, just on the south end of Downtown proper. I'm probably insane for still being here, but that's what they pay me the big bucks for, right? Oh yeah, I'm salary.:P
Anyway, I've been watching this whole thing unfold all day, and it has been absolutely insane. The National Guard has been called in, the Downtown area (starting 2 blocks north of me right now) is under curfew until morning, and the tear gas was so thick at times that you could barely see across the street!
When I came down here this morning, it wasn't too bad - there were several tens of thousands of people protesting, but it was mostly under control and peaceful. A little tear gas here and there, but not much. The condition deteriorated throughout the day until around 4:30-5:00 - it started to get dark, and it seems like all hell broke loose.
Watching the news (and the streets, for that matter), it was very surreal - the first thing I wanted to say was "this is happening WHERE?" It looked like CNN coverage of some foreign city under seige by terrorists - not kidding at all... Police in all their riot gear, herding people out of the "curfew zone", shooting tear gas and pepper spray, rubber bullets, and now the National Guard. My kid sister even got tear gassed on her way to work this afternoon!
All in all, I must say that the police have shown some pretty decent restraint through all of this. Lots of gas, etc, but not too much violence, and VERY few arrests - I think the count is at around 22 people. 22 people out of THOUSANDS really isn't bad. The VAST majority of the protesters were also very well-behaved and got their point across well. It wasn't until some of the "hey, let's go riot!" people started coming out of the woodwork before it got nasty.
Very odd day, all in all. There's helicopters flying overhead every couple of minutes, and APC's just up the street, and I'm not sure how I'm going to get home, which is on the other side of the locked down area, but very interesting nonetheless...
*grin* Never again will I say "it couldn't happen HERE... not in MY town..."
Actually, just because Paul is stepping down as head maintainer and the lead architect, doesn't mean that ISC is stepping down. The Internet Software Consortium was founded by Vixie, but is much bigger than just him.
Also, there are no more expected releases of BIND 8.x, with the exception (obviously) fixes. The development of BIND 9 has not included a single line of Vixie's code - and it is written COMPLETELY from SCRATCH - no legacy BIND 8.x code in it. He has spent his time recently finishing up with BIND 8.2.2, and is leaving BIND 9 to a new team.
Paul was quoted as saying: "It's a thing of beauty. I have not got a single line of code in BIND 9 - and I hope that's not the reason that it's a thing of beauty.":) He went on to explain that it was because he was able to maintain the 8.x code by himself, since he knew it so well. It would have taken a couple of people to do it otherwise, and it was a matter of priority - so he did that, and let the others focus on BIND 9.
The MAPS (Mail Abuse Prevention System) Realtime Blackhole List is one of his projects. As far as I know, he's still going to be working on that...
As for other stuff, check out Vixie Enterprises. He does work with IETF, I think he runs an ISP, and he's got a bunch of other projects, though I'm not sure what they all are off the top of my head...
"ISC has discovered (or has been notified of) six bugs which can result in vulnerabilities of varying levels of severity in BIND as distributed by ISC. CERT has been notified of all of these issues."
Also, "In addition to fetching the bind-src tarball, you will need to fetch and apply the following patch. If you do not apply this patch, your zone transfers may fail."
As per RFC 2308 (DNS NCACHE), the SOA minimum field now is the NCACHE TTL value. In the past, the SOA Minimum field had three meanings:
1. The minimum TTL for that zone 2. The default TTL for records without one specified 3. The TTL of negative responses
#1 was never used, #2 is only relevant on the master server (since TTL is explicit during a zone transfer), and #3 is now the ONLY meaning for the SOA Minimum field.
What this means is that to fulfill #2 (default TTL), you will now have to add the $TTL directive to all zone files you are master of, and modify the SOA Minimum field to something more appropriate for the NCACHE TTL. Your zone file would look something like this:
; Example of $TTL and SOA $ORIGIN whatever.org. $TTL 86400 ; Default TTL (1 day)
These values are, of course, not set in stone - just an example. However, most people set their SOA Minimum field to somewhere around 1 day, give or take, to reduce load on queries to their server. This value is likely to be too high to cache NEGATIVE answers, so should probably be adjusted.
As for the $TTL directive, just add it before the SOA record, usually with whatever was the previous value for the SOA Minimum. If it is not designated, BIND will issue a warning, but will use the SOA minimum instead. Annoying to see all the warnings if you have a large number of zones, but it doesn't cause problems other than the logging:
Nov 10 12:15:12 thanatos named[14344]: Zone "whatever.org" (file whatever.org.db): No default TTL set using SOA minimum instead
This information only pertains to BIND 8.2.0 and above (including 8.2.2-P3, obviously).
According to http://www.mp3factorydirect.com/pjbspec.htm, it will be a "10MB DRAM buffer [that] holds 10 minutes of music", therefore the HDD will only have to spin up every 10 minutes or so, just long enough to copy over 10MB into memory...
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That was a truly hilarious troll... if I had any moderation points to my name, it would definately be moderated up!
Moderation is one of the best things about this place - I don't have to read the "Linux SuX, Windows RoX" troll posts, the mindless babble of people with nothing better to do. BUT, if a truly original troll with genuine humor comes along, it can often be moderated up as funny... that's what should have happened this time, IMHO...
Some trolls deserve better...
For those who have their settings as 1+, definately browse down to -1 and do a quick search for "News from the Linux Frontlines"... great stuff!!!
- strabo
Well, sir, perhaps I was misleading when I said that I was currently *in* Pioneer Square - I was NOT trying to say that the turmoil was happening IN Pioneer Square. You are right, it has been mostly quiet throughout the day. Not completely quiet, but mostly - there was a group of people wearing black with costume blood carrying coffins and "mourning" around mid morning, for instance. (no, not the "black robed anarchists" - these were other protesters)
:)
What I was saying is that "the Downtown area (starting 2 blocks north...)" was the location where these things were taking place. For the most part... pretty much completely... my post was referring to the downtown core, not where I currently am. I'm sorry for the confusion...
To clarify:
Yes, Pioneer Square has gone relatively untouched all day today. Yes, the protests affecting this area were last night - I was here working until 2am, and saw that, too. Downtown today was a horrible mess, and that was what I was talking about. I wasn't trying to say that this was armageddon, just that todays events were pretty wild and surreal.
And yes, when I posted the original post, there was an APC parked just up 1st Ave (just past Yesler), and another had driven by recently. There were also several helicopters that flew over this area on their way north. I didn't know when the Nat'l Guard was arriving, which is why I didn't say that they were here - just that they had been called.
On a side note - you said that all the homeless had been 'discreetly removed from the area'? What part of Pioneer Sq were they removed from? The same group of homeless are out in Occidental Park by the firemen statue that are always there - more, in fact, since the paddywagon that is usually parked near there isn't around.
I agree with your post for the most part, although it started out a little more hostile than it needed to be... just my opinion.
- strabo
Actually, it was a propane tanker.
It was stolen early monday morning, and is most likely completely unrelated. Its a rumor that is probably just that - a rumor.
Here's the text of an article about it:
An alert went out to law enforcement agencies Monday that someone stole a truck loaded with propane.
Security officials at WTO in Seattle were among those notified.
Pierce County Sheriff's officials say the timing of the theft is causing alarm.
The propane truck had more than 2,200 gallons of explosive propane gas when it was stolen at about 3:00 a.m. Monday morning in an unincorporated part of Pierce County.
The Sheriff's Department issued a bulletin advising other agencies of the theft.
The sheriff's office also says there's nothing to link the theft to the WTO
- strabo
From what I have seen (I am in downtown Seattle right now), there has been VERY minimal police violence, almost no injuries to people, and the vast majority of the protest WAS nonviolent.
There were a lot of people that started coming out, particularly toward the end of the afternoon/evening, who saw this as an excuse to riot and destroy property. There were also a large number of peaceful protesters trying to talk them down.
For the most part, the police simply used tear gas (not pleasant, but nonviolent), pepper spray, and some rubber bullets. Mostly gas and pepper spray. And they used it fairly sparingly until it became evident that something had to be done to get things under control, and they imposed the curfew. Then they got more agressive with the tear gas to get people OUT of the downtown area.
There was a lot of property destruction done by a small (in comparison) group of people, and the police, for the most part, excersized a good deal of restraint in dealing with it.
Also, for the most part, the protesters (peaceful) that I have talked to feel that today was a GREAT success, that their message was heard, and that their objectives were accomplished. I don't think that will get lost in the noise at all.
All in all, I must applaud both the peaceful protesters of today -and- the police. They both did their jobs, did them well, and nobody really got hurt (that I'm aware of). It could have been A LOT worse.
- strabo
It is AMAZING what's going on outside right now. I work in the Pioneer Square section of Seattle, just on the south end of Downtown proper. I'm probably insane for still being here, but that's what they pay me the big bucks for, right? Oh yeah, I'm salary. :P
Anyway, I've been watching this whole thing unfold all day, and it has been absolutely insane. The National Guard has been called in, the Downtown area (starting 2 blocks north of me right now) is under curfew until morning, and the tear gas was so thick at times that you could barely see across the street!
When I came down here this morning, it wasn't too bad - there were several tens of thousands of people protesting, but it was mostly under control and peaceful. A little tear gas here and there, but not much. The condition deteriorated throughout the day until around 4:30-5:00 - it started to get dark, and it seems like all hell broke loose.
Watching the news (and the streets, for that matter), it was very surreal - the first thing I wanted to say was "this is happening WHERE?" It looked like CNN coverage of some foreign city under seige by terrorists - not kidding at all... Police in all their riot gear, herding people out of the "curfew zone", shooting tear gas and pepper spray, rubber bullets, and now the National Guard. My kid sister even got tear gassed on her way to work this afternoon!
All in all, I must say that the police have shown some pretty decent restraint through all of this. Lots of gas, etc, but not too much violence, and VERY few arrests - I think the count is at around 22 people. 22 people out of THOUSANDS really isn't bad. The VAST majority of the protesters were also very well-behaved and got their point across well. It wasn't until some of the "hey, let's go riot!" people started coming out of the woodwork before it got nasty.
Very odd day, all in all. There's helicopters flying overhead every couple of minutes, and APC's just up the street, and I'm not sure how I'm going to get home, which is on the other side of the locked down area, but very interesting nonetheless...
*grin* Never again will I say "it couldn't happen HERE... not in MY town..."
- strabo
Actually, just because Paul is stepping down as head maintainer and the lead architect, doesn't mean that ISC is stepping down. The Internet Software Consortium was founded by Vixie, but is much bigger than just him.
:) He went on to explain that it was because he was able to maintain the 8.x code by himself, since he knew it so well. It would have taken a couple of people to do it otherwise, and it was a matter of priority - so he did that, and let the others focus on BIND 9.
Also, there are no more expected releases of BIND 8.x, with the exception (obviously) fixes. The development of BIND 9 has not included a single line of Vixie's code - and it is written COMPLETELY from SCRATCH - no legacy BIND 8.x code in it. He has spent his time recently finishing up with BIND 8.2.2, and is leaving BIND 9 to a new team.
Paul was quoted as saying: "It's a thing of beauty. I have not got a single line of code in BIND 9 - and I hope that's not the reason that it's a thing of beauty."
- strabo
The MAPS (Mail Abuse Prevention System) Realtime Blackhole List is one of his projects. As far as I know, he's still going to be working on that...
As for other stuff, check out Vixie Enterprises. He does work with IETF, I think he runs an ISP, and he's got a bunch of other projects, though I'm not sure what they all are off the top of my head...
- strabo
According to ISC's website:
1 9991108.html
"ISC has discovered (or has been notified of) six bugs which can result in vulnerabilities of varying levels of severity in BIND as distributed by ISC. CERT has been notified of all of these issues."
Also, "In addition to fetching the bind-src tarball, you will need to fetch and apply the following patch. If you do not apply this patch, your zone transfers may fail."
- ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.2-P3/patch4
This is from:
http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind-security-
- Strabo
ftp://ftp.isc.org/isc/bind/src/8.2.2-P3/patch4
As per RFC 2308 (DNS NCACHE), the SOA minimum field now is the NCACHE TTL value. In the past, the SOA Minimum field had three meanings:
1. The minimum TTL for that zone
2. The default TTL for records without one specified
3. The TTL of negative responses
#1 was never used, #2 is only relevant on the master server (since TTL is explicit during a zone transfer), and #3 is now the ONLY meaning for the SOA Minimum field.
What this means is that to fulfill #2 (default TTL), you will now have to add the $TTL directive to all zone files you are master of, and modify the SOA Minimum field to something more appropriate for the NCACHE TTL. Your zone file would look something like this:
; Example of $TTL and SOA
$ORIGIN whatever.org.
$TTL 86400 ; Default TTL (1 day)
@ IN SOA ns1.whatever.org. postmaster.whatever.org. (
1999111001 ; Serial
10800 ; Refresh (3 hours)
3600 ; Retry (1 hour)
604800 ; Expire (1 week)
1800 ) ; NCACHE TTL (30 minutes)
These values are, of course, not set in stone - just an example. However, most people set their SOA Minimum field to somewhere around 1 day, give or take, to reduce load on queries to their server. This value is likely to be too high to cache NEGATIVE answers, so should probably be adjusted.
As for the $TTL directive, just add it before the SOA record, usually with whatever was the previous value for the SOA Minimum. If it is not designated, BIND will issue a warning, but will use the SOA minimum instead. Annoying to see all the warnings if you have a large number of zones, but it doesn't cause problems other than the logging:
Nov 10 12:15:12 thanatos named[14344]: Zone "whatever.org" (file whatever.org.db): No default TTL set using SOA minimum instead
This information only pertains to BIND 8.2.0 and above (including 8.2.2-P3, obviously).
- Strabo
There was a bug that made it into named-xfer that prevented AXFR from working properly. The change below will fix it... Hope this helps someone!
= =================== /proj/cvs/isc/bind/src/bin/named-xfer/named-xfer.c ,v
- Strabo
The following change should correct
the problem.
Index: src/bin/named-xfer/named-xfer.c
===============================================
RCS file:
retrieving revision 8.88
retrieving revision 8.89
diff -c -r8.88 -r8.89
*** named-xfer.c 1999/11/08 23:01:39 8.88
--- named-xfer.c 1999/11/09 20:36:54 8.89
***************
*** 2195,2201 ****
zp->z_origin, zp_finish.z_serial);
}
soa_cnt++;
! if ((methode == ISIXFR) || (soa_cnt > 2)) {
return (result);
}
} else {
--- 2195,2201 ----
zp->z_origin, zp_finish.z_serial);
}
soa_cnt++;
! if ((methode == ISIXFR) || (soa_cnt >= 2)) {
return (result);
}
} else {
According to http://www.mp3factorydirect.com/pjbspec.htm, it will be a "10MB DRAM buffer [that] holds 10 minutes of music", therefore the HDD will only have to spin up every 10 minutes or so, just long enough to copy over 10MB into memory...