Yeah, but ping pong is cheaper and easier to manage than remote access and working from home. You know of course that if you can't watch your people, they will goof off. Also, by providing trinkets such as ping pong, etc. it gives the appearance they are being modern, without actually changing anything.
My first thought was that this was (Em)Balmer's doing. Trying to make for a "kinder gentler monop^H^H^H^H^HMicrosoft". There was something else recently where they backed off being so goddammed hardcore all the freekin' time.
And the anti-competitive tactics used are as old as the wheel. Or older. Spears, Cave Bear skins, Mainframes, Railroads, Oil, Software....It doesn't matter the domain..the intent and the methods are the same.
We haven't seen any big immediate changes because the changes have already been taking place:
OEMs now are less disinclined to even offer another OS besides Windows
Linux-related companies are making progress
Microsoft has been somewhat encumbered to use its traditional means of 'competition'
This ruling, this judgement, is an ending of one phase and the beginning of another. It is a milemarker along the way of change.
I noted in reading the Findings of Law yesterday, that Jackson said, that despite Microsoft's actions to block Netscape from ever appearing in front of a user's face, that somehow it had managed to distribute 160 million copies of Navigator in 1998. The reason is that Microsoft's usual tactics were not able to stop people from freely downloading Navigator/Communicator on their own, and that this form of distribution, i.e. the Internet, by its nature was immune from Microsoft's efforts at foreclosure. No matter what they did, they couldn't keep people from exercising their right of choice. Blessed be the Internet.
Regarding the thought, "Had the government intervened a decade ago...", I want to ask, Isn't this when the Antitrust Division first started looking into Microsoft's behavior? And that this effort resulted in the ineffectual consent decree of 1994(1995, whatever)? My thinking is that the government, i.e. the antitrust division, had been in the process of intervening even a decade ago. But I could be wrong about going back as far as 1990. And bear in mind that the current judgement is a milemarker in a process that started in 1997, 1998, I think, at least in as much as the suit was formally filed. I imagine there had been considerable effort prior to that formal filing.
I think PART of the success of Linux, etc. has been due to Microsoft's failure to give the customer what they want. I speak of those things that people laud Linux for and decry Microsoft. To list a few: stability, stability, stability, efficiency, lower cost, lower support, more dependable, greater customizability, greater degree of ownership, less entanglements and restrictions, and so on. So I think part of why Linux is succeeded is that Microsoft has failed in a number of areas that are important. Microsoft didnt' see this one coming when they confidently ignored customer wants and needs, comfortable in their monopoly. The old SNL line from a Lily Tomlin skit, "We're the phone company. We don't care, we don't have to!", seems to be appropriate here. Well, oops!!! They didn't see Linux coming.
Gates is either the smartest, most insightful, most deep thinking human on the planet, or he still just doesn't get it, and moreover...refuses to even remotely acknowledge that there is even something to get.
There is a little deli/grill called "Kafe Eclectic", (formerly "Ctrl-Alt-Deli"), on the bottom floor of the parking garage bldg next to 'The Origin Building', and they have (or did have) a sandwich called "The Garriott".
Well, go to About Zogby International and you will see that on the top of their Selected Client List is none other than, you guessed it! : MICROSOFT !!
Why am I not surprised at the results of this so-called "Poll"" ???
Gee, what's that smell????
Smells like.....ASTROTURF!!!
I love the smell of ASTROTURF in the morning. Smells like, MICROS~1 TROLLS!
"For today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the (Microsoft) Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure (MS) ideology. Where each ("knowledge-") worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing (i.e. non-MS) truths. Our Unification of Thought(tm) is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army (or Justice Dept. or antitrust law) on earth. We are one people. With one will. One resolve. One cause. (One OS). Our enemies shall talk themselves to death. And we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!"
Not only that, but they only offered to "de-integrate" IE from Windows on W95,W98! So what! Are they even MAKING those anymore? Yeah, big sacrifice there, MS. They still want to keep it "integrated", (i.e. "Kuwait is now part of Iraq!"), in W2k, etc.
An appeal from a final judgment pursuant to subsection (a) of this section shall lie directly to the Supreme Court, if, upon application of a party filed within fifteen days of the filing of a notice of appeal, the district judge who adjudicated the case enters an order stating that immediate consideration of the appeal by the Supreme Court is of general public importance in the administration of justice. Such order shall be filed within thirty days after the filing of a notice of appeal. When such an order is filed, the appeal and any cross appeal shall be docketed in the time and manner prescribed by the rules of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court shall thereupon either: (1) dispose of the appeal and any cross appeal in the same manner as any other direct appeal authorized by law, or (2) in its discretion, deny the direct appeal and remand the case to the court of appeals, which shall then have jurisdiction to hear and determine the same as if the appeal and any cross appeal therein had been docketed in the court of appeals in the first instance pursuant to subsection (a) of this section.
Speaking of George Bush The Younger, his Technology Advisory Board is Chaired by none other than Bill Gates' hand puppet, Michael Dell, and the board is membered by at least one upper MS exec. See "Bush forms high-tech advisory council". How would you like =those= guys advising the next president on technology issues????
I think the "Macs are toys." derision first came into vogue back when Apple introduced the original Macs which introduced to the -mass market- a graphical user interface, and a mouse. Example: "The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things."(from a Dvorak quote, SF Examiner, 1984). The idea was that "REAL computer -guys- don't use a GUI".
However, I think it ironic that one of the most popular derisions of the Mac remains "Macs are toys", but then one of the most popular laudatories of Wintel is "there are more games".
Oh, but this -does- open new doors for advertising! Imagine a Maxwellv House coffee ad featuring Slim Pickens riding that famous H-bomb through the hatchway, whooping and hooting all the way down, while the narrator intones in the background: "Maxwell House; Good to the last drop!"
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$46.7/16 per share, at over 137 mil shares outstanding. That and about $1.3 billion in cash, going by Q3 '99 10-Q. I'd say the going price would have to be at least $10 billion, and not $3 billion.
Given that, who is going to come up with that kind of money to buy out Apple??
I think this is just another 'rumor' to stir things up, maybe having the effect of putting some upward pressure on the stock.
If Jobs was only interested in polishing up the Apple in order to sell it off to some big monied corp that was able to back it, then I don't think he would have polished it this well. Now it is going to be too expensive to buy it. If you are going to sell your car, yeah you clean it, get it running decent, etc., but you don't go overhauling the motor, redoing the interior, put new tires and wheels on it, repaint it. You only do that if you are going to keep it.
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Yeah, but ping pong is cheaper and easier to manage than remote access and working from home. You know of course that if you can't watch your people, they will goof off. Also, by providing trinkets such as ping pong, etc. it gives the appearance they are being modern, without actually changing anything.
"The "eyes" are apparently created by bubbles of gas created by electrons blasting out of a region near an enormous black hole"
I know the feeling all too well. Felt like that the day after a Happy Hour session....
My first thought was that this was (Em)Balmer's doing. Trying to make for a "kinder gentler monop^H^H^H^H^HMicrosoft". There was something else recently where they backed off being so goddammed hardcore all the freekin' time.
"And so, it begins...." (again!)
And the anti-competitive tactics used are as old as the wheel. Or older. Spears, Cave Bear skins, Mainframes, Railroads, Oil, Software....It doesn't matter the domain..the intent and the methods are the same.
- OEMs now are less disinclined to even offer another OS besides Windows
- Linux-related companies are making progress
- Microsoft has been somewhat encumbered to use its traditional means of 'competition'
This ruling, this judgement, is an ending of one phase and the beginning of another. It is a milemarker along the way of change.I noted in reading the Findings of Law yesterday, that Jackson said, that despite Microsoft's actions to block Netscape from ever appearing in front of a user's face, that somehow it had managed to distribute 160 million copies of Navigator in 1998. The reason is that Microsoft's usual tactics were not able to stop people from freely downloading Navigator/Communicator on their own, and that this form of distribution, i.e. the Internet, by its nature was immune from Microsoft's efforts at foreclosure. No matter what they did, they couldn't keep people from exercising their right of choice. Blessed be the Internet.
Regarding the thought, "Had the government intervened a decade ago...", I want to ask, Isn't this when the Antitrust Division first started looking into Microsoft's behavior? And that this effort resulted in the ineffectual consent decree of 1994(1995, whatever)? My thinking is that the government, i.e. the antitrust division, had been in the process of intervening even a decade ago. But I could be wrong about going back as far as 1990. And bear in mind that the current judgement is a milemarker in a process that started in 1997, 1998, I think, at least in as much as the suit was formally filed. I imagine there had been considerable effort prior to that formal filing.
I think PART of the success of Linux, etc. has been due to Microsoft's failure to give the customer what they want. I speak of those things that people laud Linux for and decry Microsoft. To list a few: stability, stability, stability, efficiency, lower cost, lower support, more dependable, greater customizability, greater degree of ownership, less entanglements and restrictions, and so on. So I think part of why Linux is succeeded is that Microsoft has failed in a number of areas that are important. Microsoft didnt' see this one coming when they confidently ignored customer wants and needs, comfortable in their monopoly. The old SNL line from a Lily Tomlin skit, "We're the phone company. We don't care, we don't have to!", seems to be appropriate here. Well, oops!!! They didn't see Linux coming.
Gates is either the smartest, most insightful, most deep thinking human on the planet, or he still just doesn't get it, and moreover...refuses to even remotely acknowledge that there is even something to get.
It ain't. It's for real. Just got confirming email from friend of mine there. Straight up. No Diggity.
Will they keep it???
Inquiring, yet hungry, minds want to know...
Why am I not surprised at the results of this so-called "Poll"" ???
Gee, what's that smell????
Smells like.....ASTROTURF!!!
I love the smell of ASTROTURF in the morning. Smells like, MICROS~1 TROLLS!
Kinda sounds like:
Not only that, but they only offered to "de-integrate" IE from Windows on W95,W98! So what! Are they even MAKING those anymore? Yeah, big sacrifice there, MS. They still want to keep it "integrated", (i.e. "Kuwait is now part of Iraq!"), in W2k, etc.
But he only knows Visual Basic, anyway...
HAHAHAHA!!!!!
:-D
yeah, it voids your warranty and every warranty on every product within 100 radial yards!
The SC can also send it back down:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15
(b) Direct appeals to Supreme Court
An appeal from a final judgment pursuant to subsection (a) of this section shall lie directly to the Supreme Court, if, upon application of a party filed within fifteen days of the filing of a notice of appeal, the district judge who adjudicated the case enters an order stating that immediate consideration of the appeal by the Supreme Court is of general public importance in the administration of justice. Such order shall be filed within thirty days after the filing of a notice of appeal. When such an order is filed, the appeal and any cross appeal shall be docketed in the time and manner prescribed by the rules of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court shall thereupon either
(1) dispose of the appeal and any cross appeal in the same manner as any other direct appeal authorized by law, or
(2) in its discretion, deny the direct appeal and remand the case to the court of appeals, which shall then have jurisdiction to hear and determine the same as if the appeal and any cross appeal therein had been docketed in the court of appeals in the first instance pursuant to subsection (a) of this section.
Speaking of George Bush The Younger, his Technology Advisory Board is Chaired by none other than Bill Gates' hand puppet, Michael Dell, and the board is membered by at least one upper MS exec. See "Bush forms high-tech advisory council". How would you like =those= guys advising the next president on technology issues????
Argh. I have to jump in on this one.
I think the "Macs are toys." derision first came into vogue back when Apple introduced the original Macs which introduced to the -mass market- a graphical user interface, and a mouse. Example: "The Macintosh uses an experimental pointing device called a 'mouse.' There is no evidence that people want to use these things."(from a Dvorak quote, SF Examiner, 1984). The idea was that "REAL computer -guys- don't use a GUI".
However, I think it ironic that one of the most popular derisions of the Mac remains "Macs are toys", but then one of the most popular laudatories of Wintel is "there are more games".
Oh, but this -does- open new doors for advertising! Imagine a Maxwellv House coffee ad featuring Slim Pickens riding that famous H-bomb through the hatchway, whooping and hooting all the way down, while the narrator intones in the background: "Maxwell House; Good to the last drop!"
HA!!! :-D
Good point!
...$ 6,364.67 (mil)
looking at Quicken.com's quote.
$46.7/16 per share, at over 137 mil shares outstanding. That and about $1.3 billion in cash, going by Q3 '99 10-Q. I'd say the going price would have to be at least $10 billion, and not $3 billion.
Given that, who is going to come up with that kind of money to buy out Apple??
I think this is just another 'rumor' to stir things up, maybe having the effect of putting some upward pressure on the stock.
If Jobs was only interested in polishing up the Apple in order to sell it off to some big monied corp that was able to back it, then I don't think he would have polished it this well. Now it is going to be too expensive to buy it. If you are going to sell your car, yeah you clean it, get it running decent, etc., but you don't go overhauling the motor, redoing the interior, put new tires and wheels on it, repaint it. You only do that if you are going to keep it.