Yes, clearly skipping the only relevant section of the original article and feeling no reservations in contradicting someone with the correct answer is an excellent excuse for spouting nonsense.
Am I not being terribly nice and warm? Absolutely.
Was I intoxicated a bit when I wrote my prior post? Probably.
Did you just make a post with incorrect information get moderated informative? Yes.
Should you expect people to tell you off when you make posts with blatantly incorrect information that end up being more visible than the posts that correct them? Yes.
Your post was junk, I called you on it, don't complain about the manner in which I did so.
I don't post terribly often. The fact that I bothered to a short brief message to set something straight quickly for the folks reading the comments who might be interested in this problem and ended up causing your post which was simply completely wrong is highly annoying. I wish you had only thought before you posted and then maybe people would be mislead.
It's because of posters like you that we can't have a good conversation here on slashdot. Please strive to ensure your posts are more factual in the future.
Calm down and type to me like I'm a human being or that's all the argument we'll be engaging in today. Through the entire thread you've done nothing but talk about "people like me" or "my situation" when you clearly have no clue that both are entirely neither who I am or a situation that I've had issue with.
(The place I work has too much bandwidth running through it to impose any useful filters and so I've never had a situation like that. And then assuming that I work around IT policy simply because I pointed out that it's stupid is just silly. I have a relationship with my employer where they treat my like an adult and I simply need to tell them what I need if for some reason I don't already have it. I have no need to work around stupid IT policy. However, I can easily see why people would... and you should be able to as well.)
> Well, now you contradict yourself. If you don't > have the necessary access you need to do your job, > isn't that an issue between you and IT?
Absolutely not, IT shouldn't have anything to do with it. Why do I have to go to IT for management policy? That should be something I go to my manager to talk about. If you do implement some idiotic harebrained filtering scheme, the *managers* should be the ones who press the buttons. It's management policy, not IT policy.
Just because the organization is too incompetent to implement a system that enables to right people to control it doesn't mean that system isn't broken because of it.
I can't believe you'd actually stand for a job that involved anything like that. What are you, a paid babysitter? I know you're stunned at the audiacity that I might suggest that technical people should spend their some worrying about technical issues and not babysitting people for a living. But maybe the answer is you need to work at better organization.
You've managed to miss my point entirely. My point is IT isn't doing their job, they're doing management's job and implementing it as IT.
Your job isn't to implement management policy in technology. Somewhere along the line, someone in your department made this mistake of volunteering to do this and it was a really bad idea.
And now you get to reap the repercussions of it.
(Oh, and by the way... I have had assignments which have required me to access information most filters would block. I'm a security analyst and sometimes it's critical that I be able to get to a dangerous webpage, a phishing site or a site that contains information on how do things that filter vendors don't like and block. But this is neither here nor there. My use of the web and what I do at work is between me and my manager.)
Hmmm. This really seems like an interesting point. It is interesting to notice we're just on the verge of what might turn out to be a revolution in the way IT is done. This isn't the first article that seems to be pointing in a "it's time to change IT" direction. This is all coinciding almost right at the time that Open-Source software is becoming acceptable to end-users. As far as I'm concerned the year of the desktop was 2007.
One wonders if perhaps the increasing use of open-source will bring about a revolution in IT. Or vice-versa. They do seem to be somewhat interlinked.
This speculation about new decentralized community-based IT overlords is delightful and I welcome it!
I've been tracking your campaign for awhile, you seem like a really good candidate for the senate slot and a good fit for Oregon. Unfortunately I'm a Californian democrat... and I know that most Oregonians aren't terribly fond in Californians interfering with your state.
Is there a way I can support you without getting you in trouble with your constituents? I know even a donation opens you up to the story of "funded by San Francisco Democrats" which would probably play pretty poorly in some parts of Oregon... Should we just stay on the side-lines or is there something folks outside your state can do to help you get your message out?
And one more related question: In this increasingly interconnected world, how do you see interstate involvement in local campaigns as changing the United States as a whole? The DSCC seems to be a pretty critical source of extra-state funding for instance...
Okay, so there might have been an issue with the copyright, but it's still murky because of this statement on their website: "Information presented on the Air Force Recruiting website is considered public information and may be distributed or copied."
In which case the copy was valid and licensed even it if was under copyright. Which means the notice seems to be false either way.
It addresses the issue of whether there was a copyright on the work. I believe that we've all come to the conclusion that there wasn't. What isn't clear is whether this DMCA notice is actionable because of this.
Wouldn't the air force have to claim that they were in fact the copyright owner of this video to file a DMCA notice? Doesn't that mean YouTube or the person who posted it could actually just go ahead and file suit against the government since this is a false claim?
Is there someone who'd like to provide an insightful comment and then proclaim IANAL on this one?
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I believe the standard for the last 16 tests were webkit and firefox trunk must fail.
So IE or Opera failing was actually regarded as insufficient.
But people who are interested in seeing what type of place it would be like to work at certainly do and ought to care what the software running the site is like. It provides an insight into what the organization as a whole is typically structured.
There's a large difference between the type of security organization that throws up a windows server running IIS to the world and the type of organization that codes a custom secure minimalistic server to run their website. What made you think I was saying he couldn't run what he pleased?
I was simply pointing out that I'm of the opinion that his organization shows no sign of what most good security people would want to look for. If he's looking for windows admins who are conscious of security then this is fine, but if he's honestly looking for top notch hackers and security professionals... there are some very basic things that will cause the few that even consider it (he's already running an uphill battle after folks hear "military") to disregard his effort entirely.
I'm assuming he wants to recruit the best of the best. From what I've seen so far the organization looks entirely incapable of interesting those people.
Look, I don't care what they run, if ASP works for them that's fine.
However, I am curious if he's aware of what impact his choices are having on his recruitment efforts and if he's aware that he's losing a portion of the people who aren't happy with proprietary platforms, deals that allow examination of the code or not. (I can access the source code through several academic deals already I think if I wanted to... that doesn't make the platform terribly less opaque to use.)
Most good security professionals I know do not like operating within a windows shop and the website doesn't go out of it's way to stem the impression of enterprisey systems run amuck.
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Oh no, did I hurt your feelings?
:)
I'll stop accurate information drunk if you stop posting inaccurate information sober.
Yes, clearly skipping the only relevant section of the original article and feeling no reservations in contradicting someone with the correct answer is an excellent excuse for spouting nonsense.
Am I not being terribly nice and warm? Absolutely.
Was I intoxicated a bit when I wrote my prior post? Probably.
Did you just make a post with incorrect information get moderated informative? Yes.
Should you expect people to tell you off when you make posts with blatantly incorrect information that end up being more visible than the posts that correct them? Yes.
Your post was junk, I called you on it, don't complain about the manner in which I did so.
I don't post terribly often. The fact that I bothered to a short brief message to set something straight quickly for the folks reading the comments who might be interested in this problem and ended up causing your post which was simply completely wrong is highly annoying. I wish you had only thought before you posted and then maybe people would be mislead.
It's because of posters like you that we can't have a good conversation here on slashdot. Please strive to ensure your posts are more factual in the future.
I'm honestly stunned to see this response. Are you really unable to tell the difference between an image format and an image library?
Did you even bother to think before posting?
Which it isn't.
Or maybe you have no idea what you're talking about.
Network transparency is not a performance problem when you aren't using it.
If you have to ask...
Thank you. That comment made browsing /. today worth it.
Now... where *did* I put that document...
In the words of this guy: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/14/1944213
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You're an idiot.
Calm down and type to me like I'm a human being or that's all the argument we'll be engaging in today. Through the entire thread you've done nothing but talk about "people like me" or "my situation" when you clearly have no clue that both are entirely neither who I am or a situation that I've had issue with.
(The place I work has too much bandwidth running through it to impose any useful filters and so I've never had a situation like that. And then assuming that I work around IT policy simply because I pointed out that it's stupid is just silly. I have a relationship with my employer where they treat my like an adult and I simply need to tell them what I need if for some reason I don't already have it. I have no need to work around stupid IT policy. However, I can easily see why people would... and you should be able to as well.)
> Well, now you contradict yourself. If you don't
> have the necessary access you need to do your job,
> isn't that an issue between you and IT?
Absolutely not, IT shouldn't have anything to do with it. Why do I have to go to IT for management policy? That should be something I go to my manager to talk about. If you do implement some idiotic harebrained filtering scheme, the *managers* should be the ones who press the buttons. It's management policy, not IT policy.
Just because the organization is too incompetent to implement a system that enables to right people to control it doesn't mean that system isn't broken because of it.
I can't believe you'd actually stand for a job that involved anything like that. What are you, a paid babysitter? I know you're stunned at the audiacity that I might suggest that technical people should spend their some worrying about technical issues and not babysitting people for a living. But maybe the answer is you need to work at better organization.
You've managed to miss my point entirely. My point is IT isn't doing their job, they're doing management's job and implementing it as IT.
Your job isn't to implement management policy in technology. Somewhere along the line, someone in your department made this mistake of volunteering to do this and it was a really bad idea.
And now you get to reap the repercussions of it.
(Oh, and by the way... I have had assignments which have required me to access information most filters would block. I'm a security analyst and sometimes it's critical that I be able to get to a dangerous webpage, a phishing site or a site that contains information on how do things that filter vendors don't like and block. But this is neither here nor there. My use of the web and what I do at work is between me and my manager.)
Hmmm. This really seems like an interesting point. It is interesting to notice we're just on the verge of what might turn out to be a revolution in the way IT is done. This isn't the first article that seems to be pointing in a "it's time to change IT" direction. This is all coinciding almost right at the time that Open-Source software is becoming acceptable to end-users. As far as I'm concerned the year of the desktop was 2007.
One wonders if perhaps the increasing use of open-source will bring about a revolution in IT. Or vice-versa. They do seem to be somewhat interlinked.
This speculation about new decentralized community-based IT overlords is delightful and I welcome it!
>it doesn't mean the IT staff isn't doing their jobs.
That's exactly what it means. Neither preventing people from installing games or preventing people from browsing porn is IT's job.
Done.
If there's other ways people can help, let us know.
I've been tracking your campaign for awhile, you seem like a really good candidate for the senate slot and a good fit for Oregon. Unfortunately I'm a Californian democrat... and I know that most Oregonians aren't terribly fond in Californians interfering with your state.
Is there a way I can support you without getting you in trouble with your constituents? I know even a donation opens you up to the story of "funded by San Francisco Democrats" which would probably play pretty poorly in some parts of Oregon... Should we just stay on the side-lines or is there something folks outside your state can do to help you get your message out?
And one more related question: In this increasingly interconnected world, how do you see interstate involvement in local campaigns as changing the United States as a whole? The DSCC seems to be a pretty critical source of extra-state funding for instance...
Okay, so there might have been an issue with the copyright, but it's still murky because of this statement on their website:
"Information presented on the Air Force Recruiting website is considered public information and may be distributed or copied."
In which case the copy was valid and licensed even it if was under copyright. Which means the notice seems to be false either way.
It addresses the issue of whether there was a copyright on the work. I believe that we've all come to the conclusion that there wasn't. What isn't clear is whether this DMCA notice is actionable because of this.
Wouldn't the air force have to claim that they were in fact the copyright owner of this video to file a DMCA notice? Doesn't that mean YouTube or the person who posted it could actually just go ahead and file suit against the government since this is a false claim?
Is there someone who'd like to provide an insightful comment and then proclaim IANAL on this one?
The reference implementation is Ian Hickson's brain.
I believe the standard for the last 16 tests were webkit and firefox trunk must fail.
So IE or Opera failing was actually regarded as insufficient.
Of course he can!
But people who are interested in seeing what type of place it would be like to work at certainly do and ought to care what the software running the site is like. It provides an insight into what the organization as a whole is typically structured.
There's a large difference between the type of security organization that throws up a windows server running IIS to the world and the type of organization that codes a custom secure minimalistic server to run their website. What made you think I was saying he couldn't run what he pleased?
I was simply pointing out that I'm of the opinion that his organization shows no sign of what most good security people would want to look for. If he's looking for windows admins who are conscious of security then this is fine, but if he's honestly looking for top notch hackers and security professionals... there are some very basic things that will cause the few that even consider it (he's already running an uphill battle after folks hear "military") to disregard his effort entirely.
I'm assuming he wants to recruit the best of the best. From what I've seen so far the organization looks entirely incapable of interesting those people.
Look, I don't care what they run, if ASP works for them that's fine.
However, I am curious if he's aware of what impact his choices are having on his recruitment efforts and if he's aware that he's losing a portion of the people who aren't happy with proprietary platforms, deals that allow examination of the code or not. (I can access the source code through several academic deals already I think if I wanted to... that doesn't make the platform terribly less opaque to use.)
Most good security professionals I know do not like operating within a windows shop and the website doesn't go out of it's way to stem the impression of enterprisey systems run amuck.
If I recall correctly, SIPRnet is completely segregated.
I hate NATs too, but it should be noted that putting this into your /etc/hosts would continue to allow vhosting to work just fine.