It could therefore be argued that Messrs. Dunning & Kruger deemed themselves to be competent enough to make such a statement when in reality they were not.
Yes, but you've simply confirmed what I've been saying all along - your friends think its cool meaning that it's a feature designed to improve the look of the device rather than the functionality.
I could argue that I've never been in a situation such that I couldn't use a computer keyboard because it was too dark - therefore, as a feature it adds little in the way of actual functionality.
I object to the sterotyping when it is entirely possible that I am possessed of a cherubic-like bottom, the image of which is perfectly capable of gracing the ceiling of Da Vinci's Cistine Chapel.
The fact that the wife keeps telling me to "Put that hairy arse away!" whenever I bend down in ill-fitting jeans is neither here nor there - it *COULD* happen...
You know when you're relaxing in the bath when, all of a sudden, those bubbles rise to the surface of the water and pop, giving off a smell of cooking cabbage? Well it's from the same place as those bubbles.
And this is an acceptable substitute for a locally attached display? Do you like lag for no reason what so ever? Seriously... VNC? You could not have picked a more shitty example of how to do multiple monitors. I'm pretty sure what you've described is in a text book somewhere as how NOT to do it.
I've found VNC perfectly acceptable for running remote desktops in some scenarios - like connecting to my home server from the Internet, if I need to run a GUI then it's pretty easy to tunnel VNC over SSH and not be too bothered about whether the remote PC is a Windows one using PuTTY and, say, RealVNC or a Linux one. On the other hand, I probably wouldn't use it run Crysis with all graphic options turned on on a remote display. Your definition of "shitty" is therefore irrelevant since that's determined by precisely what you are using it for.
I have 2 USB ports, means I can plugin my mouse dongle and my laptop cooler power supply cable... and not my phone to charge or sync... but I've still got an unused firewire, ethernet and MDP port... instead, with lightpeak/thunderbolt I can have all 3 devices I want plugged in today, and tomorrow I can unplug my phone and put a fast external drive in it if I want... Or I can plugin my phone, ethernet, external disk and my mouse and cooler, or I can drop ANY one of those in favor of an extra ANY ONE OF THOSE.
Wow! You've really worked hard on this "how many different device combinations can I plug in at once" argument, haven't you? But the practical advantage of all this unplugging and plugging is precisely what? You get more to do with your hands?
5 ports that all use the same connections/protocols and are all sufficiently capable of replacing any of the 4 different ports on my laptop means I have far more flexibility.
Okay, I can see a practical use here. There you are, in your pod at work when a loony with a gun jumps up behind you, holds it to your head and shouts "I need you to plug a second screen into your laptop within 20 seconds or I will blow your brains out", then clearly your likelihood of survival is far greater than mine in the same scenario, what with my plebian HP laptop with all those confusing different shaped ports on it.
Its not difficult to see unless you're just being a curmudgeon. If you can't understand why the choice and consistency is useful than I don't really understand how you cope with life in general, must be hard.
What is this? "Anglo Saxon Special Word Day" or something? First there was "douchebaggery", now "curmudgeon"... indeed, there is much flyting going on this fine Winter's eve.
Sorry, but when did the following equation suddenly become true:
"I do not like Apple products" == "I suck hungrily on the barbed black cock of Sony"
And not that it matters a tinker's cuss to this argument, but I don't use Windows 7 whatsoever. It may be a perfectly good OS that lots of people like but I use Linux and Windows XP and can find no reason to upgrade... or buy Apple products... or indeed spit or swallow the demon jism of Sony.
And that ratio is precisely what then? And what size of sample group did you use to determine that ratio?
I think "find" on the Linux command line is a great command for locating files on my system - but my wife, as a Windows user, would probably say it sucks and prefers to use Windows Explorer to find her files. So which opinion is right or wrong?
I'm all ears because clearly you have an answer to this.
1. I will have to take your word on that. Since I don't actively seek the approval of others when selecting things like computing devices, then I have no capability of defining them as either "fashion" or "anti-fashion". Besides which, definition of what is and isn't fashionable depends on the size and type of group you are looking at - for example, it would be "fashionable" for pygmy tribesmen in New Guinea to be running about in loin cloths, but put those same tribesmen in the middle of London then clearly those loincloths would then be considered unfashionable.
2a. So, in other words, if you were looking to buy, say, a Macbook and some bloke on a street corner was selling "authentic Macbooks" that he said functioned identically to normal Macbooks, even looked the same, at half the cost but didn't have an Apple logo on them, you would therefore buy one?
2b. I don't get the logic there. Why could I just not scratch out a square shape that covered the entire Apple logo but was then clearly not the same shape as the original logo.
2c. Define your usage of the word "aesthetics". Since scratching the logo off a product would not normally affect it's operation, then since this would not be an improvement to one who revels in "Apple aesthetics", then I take your definition to be the overall look of the product - which, to me, is ultimately irrelevant since the device is a tool, not a fashion accessory - therefore what it looks like is immaterial compared to how well it does its job. But then that also means you've lost the argument as you've basically admitted that the look of a product is of high importance to you, and this is precisely the point I am making about Apple products - style over functionality.
You were the one that made the declaration that if something better existed, then you would buy it. That, by implication, means you have no brand loyalty to Apple, therefore I asked you to prove lack of that brand loyalty by scratching off the logo.
Yes, you are correct. I *AM* concerned enough about logos to the point where they are not the sole criteria by which I choose to use something. Similarly, I know enough about them to realise that just sticking a logo on something means the price of it can be increased. Other than that, I can't say I even remember who made the BIOS on each one of the PCs I own - maybe when I'm bored with "fishing for fanbois and reeling them in", I'll reboot this machine, take a look and then let you know.
I am not automatically an Apple hater - it's just in 30+ years of using computers and gadgets, I've never worked out a good enough reason to buy anything they've made. I stand prepared to be educated by those who do - so off you go then, I'm listening...
Rage Against The Machine? Awful band, far too shouty and angry for my tastes, I much prefer Jethro Tull.
"Douchebaggery"? Well, if that isn't really ancient Anglo-Saxon slang for some medieval sport using bits of pigs and virgins then it bloody well ought to be! If nothing else, it's a damn fine made up word that *NEEDS* to appear in the next Harry Potter novel...
Sorry, but were you born on such a low-gravity planet where half a difference of half a kilo in weight actually matters? And don't they have things like cars, aeroplanes or public transport so that rather than putting your laptop in your vehicle of choice with you, you walk everywhere with it over your shoulder?
And why does Apple machines having high quality LCD panels automatically exclude any non-Apple machines having them? I fail to see the logic.
Backlit keyboard? Don't they have electric lights or torches on your planet, either? Or do you spend a lot of time pot-holing with your computers in deep caves?
Aluminium enclosure that doesn't twist? I haven't got a clue what you're on about here, I have to admit. I just know that if a standard plastic or non-aluminium enclosure did twist then it would probably crack the motherboard fairly quickly which would kind of mean the designers going back to the drawing board PDQ...
Wakes from sleep in less time that it takes to open a lid? Is your time *REALLY* that precious to you? And couldn't one possible solution to that being taking home less money by working fewer hours - this might mean only being able to afford a plebian's PC but at least you could afford to spare 20 or 30 seconds till it powered up from sleep. This one *ALWAYS* makes me laugh because if that amount of time is that crucial to you then you *SERIOUSLY* need to lighten up and go take a holiday...
Tripping over leads? Is this another one of those times when you can't spare a few extra seconds during setting up your computer to just run in your power cable a little more conveniently? Are you one of these people that *NEEDS* the message "Warning, contents may be hot" on their coffee cups?
Wide trackpad? How wide does it need to be? To cope with big bandaged burnt fingers because you forgot to read the "Warning, contents may be hot" message on your coffee cup?
And whilst I don't see a requirement to prove my wealth (or lack of it) to you, why the very black and white logic that just because you can afford something means you buy it? The only people that do that are those that need to show off their wealth to seek the approval or admiration of others.
Just because I have enough money to live well doesn't automatically mean I still don't take great care in how I spend it.
Not at all. But the fact it gave you blisters would count as a black mark against functionality, and just because it was blue in colour would be no guarantee that it didn't give you blisters.
I understand the technological design concept, I just don't understand what use it is.
Additional monitor? Maybe in some industrial monitoring application where you need lots of displays - but, let's face it, Apple ain't a big player there. Plus with X-Windows and/or VNC you can do it on a couple of cheap PCs with a network cable anyway.
Ton of hard drives? Erm, why not just stick in a RAID box over a network and mount it for backup? No need to even plug any drives in...
USB sticks? Any PC I own has at least 4 USB ports, can't think of one scenario where I've needed to do stuff on 5 USB sticks simultaneously...
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Apple will make this work as a tried and tested sales methodology.
"Our FLACs go to 24" is the same "Our amps go to 11" marketing principle that has fanbois creaming their knickers to get hold of iGadgets today.
It could therefore be argued that Messrs. Dunning & Kruger deemed themselves to be competent enough to make such a statement when in reality they were not.
9 out of 10 of Steve Jobs' suppliers of gold-leaf edged toilet paper said "Yes"... allegedly.
That's because you need a working antenna to be able to make the calls that can be conferenced into in the first place.
Yes, but you've simply confirmed what I've been saying all along - your friends think its cool meaning that it's a feature designed to improve the look of the device rather than the functionality.
I could argue that I've never been in a situation such that I couldn't use a computer keyboard because it was too dark - therefore, as a feature it adds little in the way of actual functionality.
I object to the sterotyping when it is entirely possible that I am possessed of a cherubic-like bottom, the image of which is perfectly capable of gracing the ceiling of Da Vinci's Cistine Chapel.
The fact that the wife keeps telling me to "Put that hairy arse away!" whenever I bend down in ill-fitting jeans is neither here nor there - it *COULD* happen...
...not to mention making the iPod "Shuffle" feature more than a bit redundant when you've only got enough space for 2 extra high quality songs on it.
I take the attitude that a good album I end up enjoying over the space of several decades is worth a "tenner" in anyone's currency.
And if nobody bought it then it wouldn't be made in the first place.
Plus I like sleeve notes to read on the toilet and discs in cases to indulge my anally retentive tendencies towards alphabetical filing.
"Apple Remastered Sound Environment" or "ARSE" anyone?
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AUDIOPHILES vs. FANBOIS - THE REMATCH!!!
Right, popcorn's ready, in your own time...
Q: How many audiophiles does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
A: It's actually a trick question because they only use Victorian gas lamps.
...and Adolf Hitler is the reason why I own a trusty & reliable Volkswagen Passat car.
Your point is what precisely?
Here's a clue:
You know when you're relaxing in the bath when, all of a sudden, those bubbles rise to the surface of the water and pop, giving off a smell of cooking cabbage? Well it's from the same place as those bubbles.
Indeed. Never have I seen a more insightful opening and generalised sweeping statement than that one.
Let me know what day you plan on starting that task.
I'll make sure I go out and buy a few extra music CDs that day so I can can continue to subsidise your music habits.
I disagree. Once that 24-bit upgrade to the human ear comes out, there will definitely be a reason to go and buy that stuff.
And this is an acceptable substitute for a locally attached display? Do you like lag for no reason what so ever? Seriously ... VNC? You could not have picked a more shitty example of how to do multiple monitors. I'm pretty sure what you've described is in a text book somewhere as how NOT to do it.
I've found VNC perfectly acceptable for running remote desktops in some scenarios - like connecting to my home server from the Internet, if I need to run a GUI then it's pretty easy to tunnel VNC over SSH and not be too bothered about whether the remote PC is a Windows one using PuTTY and, say, RealVNC or a Linux one. On the other hand, I probably wouldn't use it run Crysis with all graphic options turned on on a remote display. Your definition of "shitty" is therefore irrelevant since that's determined by precisely what you are using it for.
I have 2 USB ports, means I can plugin my mouse dongle and my laptop cooler power supply cable ... and not my phone to charge or sync ... but I've still got an unused firewire, ethernet and MDP port ... instead, with lightpeak/thunderbolt I can have all 3 devices I want plugged in today, and tomorrow I can unplug my phone and put a fast external drive in it if I want ... Or I can plugin my phone, ethernet, external disk and my mouse and cooler, or I can drop ANY one of those in favor of an extra ANY ONE OF THOSE.
Wow! You've really worked hard on this "how many different device combinations can I plug in at once" argument, haven't you? But the practical advantage of all this unplugging and plugging is precisely what? You get more to do with your hands?
5 ports that all use the same connections/protocols and are all sufficiently capable of replacing any of the 4 different ports on my laptop means I have far more flexibility.
Okay, I can see a practical use here. There you are, in your pod at work when a loony with a gun jumps up behind you, holds it to your head and shouts "I need you to plug a second screen into your laptop within 20 seconds or I will blow your brains out", then clearly your likelihood of survival is far greater than mine in the same scenario, what with my plebian HP laptop with all those confusing different shaped ports on it.
Its not difficult to see unless you're just being a curmudgeon. If you can't understand why the choice and consistency is useful than I don't really understand how you cope with life in general, must be hard.
What is this? "Anglo Saxon Special Word Day" or something? First there was "douchebaggery", now "curmudgeon"... indeed, there is much flyting going on this fine Winter's eve.
Sorry, but when did the following equation suddenly become true:
"I do not like Apple products" == "I suck hungrily on the barbed black cock of Sony"
And not that it matters a tinker's cuss to this argument, but I don't use Windows 7 whatsoever. It may be a perfectly good OS that lots of people like but I use Linux and Windows XP and can find no reason to upgrade... or buy Apple products... or indeed spit or swallow the demon jism of Sony.
And that ratio is precisely what then? And what size of sample group did you use to determine that ratio?
I think "find" on the Linux command line is a great command for locating files on my system - but my wife, as a Windows user, would probably say it sucks and prefers to use Windows Explorer to find her files. So which opinion is right or wrong?
I'm all ears because clearly you have an answer to this.
Oooh, I want your header files now, baby!
1. I will have to take your word on that. Since I don't actively seek the approval of others when selecting things like computing devices, then I have no capability of defining them as either "fashion" or "anti-fashion". Besides which, definition of what is and isn't fashionable depends on the size and type of group you are looking at - for example, it would be "fashionable" for pygmy tribesmen in New Guinea to be running about in loin cloths, but put those same tribesmen in the middle of London then clearly those loincloths would then be considered unfashionable.
2a. So, in other words, if you were looking to buy, say, a Macbook and some bloke on a street corner was selling "authentic Macbooks" that he said functioned identically to normal Macbooks, even looked the same, at half the cost but didn't have an Apple logo on them, you would therefore buy one?
2b. I don't get the logic there. Why could I just not scratch out a square shape that covered the entire Apple logo but was then clearly not the same shape as the original logo.
2c. Define your usage of the word "aesthetics". Since scratching the logo off a product would not normally affect it's operation, then since this would not be an improvement to one who revels in "Apple aesthetics", then I take your definition to be the overall look of the product - which, to me, is ultimately irrelevant since the device is a tool, not a fashion accessory - therefore what it looks like is immaterial compared to how well it does its job. But then that also means you've lost the argument as you've basically admitted that the look of a product is of high importance to you, and this is precisely the point I am making about Apple products - style over functionality.
You were the one that made the declaration that if something better existed, then you would buy it. That, by implication, means you have no brand loyalty to Apple, therefore I asked you to prove lack of that brand loyalty by scratching off the logo.
Yes, you are correct. I *AM* concerned enough about logos to the point where they are not the sole criteria by which I choose to use something. Similarly, I know enough about them to realise that just sticking a logo on something means the price of it can be increased. Other than that, I can't say I even remember who made the BIOS on each one of the PCs I own - maybe when I'm bored with "fishing for fanbois and reeling them in", I'll reboot this machine, take a look and then let you know.
I am not automatically an Apple hater - it's just in 30+ years of using computers and gadgets, I've never worked out a good enough reason to buy anything they've made. I stand prepared to be educated by those who do - so off you go then, I'm listening...
Rage Against The Machine? Awful band, far too shouty and angry for my tastes, I much prefer Jethro Tull.
"Douchebaggery"? Well, if that isn't really ancient Anglo-Saxon slang for some medieval sport using bits of pigs and virgins then it bloody well ought to be! If nothing else, it's a damn fine made up word that *NEEDS* to appear in the next Harry Potter novel...
Raging?
Sorry, but were you born on such a low-gravity planet where half a difference of half a kilo in weight actually matters? And don't they have things like cars, aeroplanes or public transport so that rather than putting your laptop in your vehicle of choice with you, you walk everywhere with it over your shoulder?
And why does Apple machines having high quality LCD panels automatically exclude any non-Apple machines having them? I fail to see the logic.
Backlit keyboard? Don't they have electric lights or torches on your planet, either? Or do you spend a lot of time pot-holing with your computers in deep caves?
Aluminium enclosure that doesn't twist? I haven't got a clue what you're on about here, I have to admit. I just know that if a standard plastic or non-aluminium enclosure did twist then it would probably crack the motherboard fairly quickly which would kind of mean the designers going back to the drawing board PDQ...
Wakes from sleep in less time that it takes to open a lid? Is your time *REALLY* that precious to you? And couldn't one possible solution to that being taking home less money by working fewer hours - this might mean only being able to afford a plebian's PC but at least you could afford to spare 20 or 30 seconds till it powered up from sleep. This one *ALWAYS* makes me laugh because if that amount of time is that crucial to you then you *SERIOUSLY* need to lighten up and go take a holiday...
Tripping over leads? Is this another one of those times when you can't spare a few extra seconds during setting up your computer to just run in your power cable a little more conveniently? Are you one of these people that *NEEDS* the message "Warning, contents may be hot" on their coffee cups?
Wide trackpad? How wide does it need to be? To cope with big bandaged burnt fingers because you forgot to read the "Warning, contents may be hot" message on your coffee cup?
And whilst I don't see a requirement to prove my wealth (or lack of it) to you, why the very black and white logic that just because you can afford something means you buy it? The only people that do that are those that need to show off their wealth to seek the approval or admiration of others.
Just because I have enough money to live well doesn't automatically mean I still don't take great care in how I spend it.
Not at all. But the fact it gave you blisters would count as a black mark against functionality, and just because it was blue in colour would be no guarantee that it didn't give you blisters.
I understand the technological design concept, I just don't understand what use it is.
Additional monitor? Maybe in some industrial monitoring application where you need lots of displays - but, let's face it, Apple ain't a big player there. Plus with X-Windows and/or VNC you can do it on a couple of cheap PCs with a network cable anyway.
Ton of hard drives? Erm, why not just stick in a RAID box over a network and mount it for backup? No need to even plug any drives in...
USB sticks? Any PC I own has at least 4 USB ports, can't think of one scenario where I've needed to do stuff on 5 USB sticks simultaneously...
Are you making this shit up or something?