What is wrong with just using wireless instead of dragging more cable? Of course you are talking to a small business person. I'm just wondering why an N-based wireless system couldn't be just as secure in a small place if configured properly or is this not yet possible? If jamming is an issue, I think there are products out there but I am not sure? I know the old ones are still around and not secure at all but it seems like they could be.
Yes, and as I said before older security systems with a 4 digit pin code without authentication is still in wide use. Simple as heck for anyone to break. Also, cameras with now way to lock them down are everywhere.
Hospitals with all of the ER visits without insurance are strained too with much less security than let's say a WalMart which is wired up like a Vegas casino.
Yep, that gives me some other scenarios, since of course they are not going to keep the corporate backbone separate from the cameras, so that convinces me too. I personally would want to keep that separate at least for a small business. In other words don't give all the power to one person as well as setting the passwords and of course even in a tiny business the boss is going to want to watch everything from the internet even if you have dvr's recording every single thing.
I guess most cameras are for theft prevention but OK it could be theft of more than what you might think like an employees user password while someone has hacked into the camera watching them. So whether connected or not, this could be serious.
Just the other day at the hospital where they have 2 open wifi access for visitors, I could surf the net all I wanted to, but couldn't download a 18 meg app for my Android? The had just blocked that but I could watch YouTube all I wanted. I never see anyone using them either. Most people go to an overcrowded one at McDonalds or something where things are slower than 3G much less 4G.
Well now at least some old dead BBC shows are up on YouTube. I'm sure the DVD's are better to have and they sell those too. I don't use bittorent for piracy but it does come in handy every once in a while like maybe as a partial publishing tool for the RIAA, etc. Why don't they use it for that? Maybe because the little guy can too and not have to go through with contracts with them?
On problem is all of those X10 cameras installed back in the day in God only knows where that have been long forgotten about. There is no security at all with some devices like this placed in illegal places like motel bathrooms and such.
But the corporate stuff at let's say Walmart, wouldn't have that problem if someone did access the data. What would they see exactly that is of any importance? I would be much more worried about identity theft through servers that have your life history on it like possibly Facebook's.
Security CCTV my not be run by the IT guy though and may be left to the security people, I dunno? Maybe someone could explain exactly what type of scenario could happen where this would be an actual problem as mentioned in the article?
They can't do this so easy though as I'm sure that Samsung, Motorola, HTC, and Google combined have more patents than Apple. Wait until they all respond in kind. Then no one wins but the lawyers. It's MADD. Is Apple nuts?
Right but by this time, I don't think the WOZ had much input into the Apple design of the Lisa or Mac by that time. Someone else thought I was trolling and modded me down for that reason, which I haven't figured out why because really I just wanted to know.
Back to the original subject. Apple was more open during the times of the Apple II plus the fact that they went after the educational market which Atari and Commodore really didn't do. The original Atari 800 had some bus support but not too many manufactures of peripherals came along for that like they did for Apple. In fact back then, I think, all of the manufactures published their OS until Microsoft/IBM came along.
Right now Apple's iPhones are not as closed as some think and neither is Google's Android as open either. I don't remember Apple publishing the OS for the MAC but one advantage they had was a Laser printer and fonts.
True but beside the point. Since you mentioned the government, well it all goes back to that and WWII for computing in general and the abacus before that.
Well very interesting indeed. I did read once where Jobs took a class in calligraphy and therefore wanted fonts. So maybe Jobs was a little more than a salesman, but they did get copied and now we have more Windows machines on the desktop. Like I say the open vs. closed thing goes in cycles. Right now people seem to prefer closed systems but little by little I see that changing even for Apple. Isn't H.264 open? Apple actually has better support for this than Android and as we all know money is not in PC's any more and maybe not even in cell phones but Apple also has a huge lead in tablets for now.
I wouldn't bet for them but I also wouldn't bet against them either.
In a way Apple is already doing this with H.264. They are more compliant than Android here. People will not pay for 50% profit margins forever, therefore open wins in the end.
Bell labs no profit. You have to be kidding. They made their money, but as always, things get opened one way or another. In fact it goes in cycles between closed and open systems with the more open ones wining out in the end. I know people that have owned Apples devices that now like Android devices even better because they do the same thing at a cheaper price and then they win out, another closed system forms up. It kinda works like Moores Law but I don't what to call it.
So that is why I don't think Facebook will do so well in the end but I'm sure people will make a ton of money closing things back as Google is doing with their newer Android OS's. Like a phone that costs double to go from 8 gig to 16 gig that doesn't have memory card slot to save space (make a ton of money).
Speaking of Atari, history could have been much different because around 1980 they really the best micro computer but the marketing was terrible. Later when Jack Tramiel took over what was left then all of the smart Atari guys went on to do the Amiga. Jobs has to be considered one heck of a salesman and a little bit of a crook as you just said.
I'm not too worried about the WOZ because he has enough money to play with whatever he wants for the rest of his life even so.
What the hell I'm undoing a MOD but check the discount bins at WalMart. I think I saw the "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" there for $3. Most people anymore don't use DVD's or even BlueRay. It's all in the (((cloud))) now.
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What is wrong with just using wireless instead of dragging more cable? Of course you are talking to a small business person. I'm just wondering why an N-based wireless system couldn't be just as secure in a small place if configured properly or is this not yet possible? If jamming is an issue, I think there are products out there but I am not sure? I know the old ones are still around and not secure at all but it seems like they could be.
http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps9948/index.html
Just a dumb question I guess.
Yes, and as I said before older security systems with a 4 digit pin code without authentication is still in wide use. Simple as heck for anyone to break. Also, cameras with now way to lock them down are everywhere.
Hospitals with all of the ER visits without insurance are strained too with much less security than let's say a WalMart which is wired up like a Vegas casino.
Yep, that gives me some other scenarios, since of course they are not going to keep the corporate backbone separate from the cameras, so that convinces me too. I personally would want to keep that separate at least for a small business. In other words don't give all the power to one person as well as setting the passwords and of course even in a tiny business the boss is going to want to watch everything from the internet even if you have dvr's recording every single thing.
I guess most cameras are for theft prevention but OK it could be theft of more than what you might think like an employees user password while someone has hacked into the camera watching them. So whether connected or not, this could be serious.
Just the other day at the hospital where they have 2 open wifi access for visitors, I could surf the net all I wanted to, but couldn't download a 18 meg app for my Android? The had just blocked that but I could watch YouTube all I wanted. I never see anyone using them either. Most people go to an overcrowded one at McDonalds or something where things are slower than 3G much less 4G.
Sure, why should they care. It only helps them.
Well now at least some old dead BBC shows are up on YouTube. I'm sure the DVD's are better to have and they sell those too. I don't use bittorent for piracy but it does come in handy every once in a while like maybe as a partial publishing tool for the RIAA, etc. Why don't they use it for that? Maybe because the little guy can too and not have to go through with contracts with them?
Pipe theory. Maybe the same it true with water mains, sewer systems, electrical grids, and even the internet?
On problem is all of those X10 cameras installed back in the day in God only knows where that have been long forgotten about. There is no security at all with some devices like this placed in illegal places like motel bathrooms and such.
But the corporate stuff at let's say Walmart, wouldn't have that problem if someone did access the data. What would they see exactly that is of any importance? I would be much more worried about identity theft through servers that have your life history on it like possibly Facebook's.
Security CCTV my not be run by the IT guy though and may be left to the security people, I dunno? Maybe someone could explain exactly what type of scenario could happen where this would be an actual problem as mentioned in the article?
They can't do this so easy though as I'm sure that Samsung, Motorola, HTC, and Google combined have more patents than Apple. Wait until they all respond in kind. Then no one wins but the lawyers. It's MADD. Is Apple nuts?
Right but by this time, I don't think the WOZ had much input into the Apple design of the Lisa or Mac by that time. Someone else thought I was trolling and modded me down for that reason, which I haven't figured out why because really I just wanted to know.
Back to the original subject. Apple was more open during the times of the Apple II plus the fact that they went after the educational market which Atari and Commodore really didn't do. The original Atari 800 had some bus support but not too many manufactures of peripherals came along for that like they did for Apple. In fact back then, I think, all of the manufactures published their OS until Microsoft/IBM came along.
Right now Apple's iPhones are not as closed as some think and neither is Google's Android as open either. I don't remember Apple publishing the OS for the MAC but one advantage they had was a Laser printer and fonts.
Many people forget Jay Miner was probably just as smart as the WOZ, but he is dead now.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Miner
Thanks for the answer. I wasn't trying to troll. I didn't think I would get modded at all. Anyhow, I think it led to a great answer either way.
Sidenote: If someone follows you around modding you down at every opportunity, how do you figure out who did the modding?
True but beside the point. Since you mentioned the government, well it all goes back to that and WWII for computing in general and the abacus before that.
Well very interesting indeed. I did read once where Jobs took a class in calligraphy and therefore wanted fonts. So maybe Jobs was a little more than a salesman, but they did get copied and now we have more Windows machines on the desktop. Like I say the open vs. closed thing goes in cycles. Right now people seem to prefer closed systems but little by little I see that changing even for Apple. Isn't H.264 open? Apple actually has better support for this than Android and as we all know money is not in PC's any more and maybe not even in cell phones but Apple also has a huge lead in tablets for now.
I wouldn't bet for them but I also wouldn't bet against them either.
Yeah, that and the deal Apple had and still has with the media companies, but now they are seeing cheaper rivals in that area like Amazon and Google.
In a way Apple is already doing this with H.264. They are more compliant than Android here. People will not pay for 50% profit margins forever, therefore open wins in the end.
Bell labs no profit. You have to be kidding. They made their money, but as always, things get opened one way or another. In fact it goes in cycles between closed and open systems with the more open ones wining out in the end. I know people that have owned Apples devices that now like Android devices even better because they do the same thing at a cheaper price and then they win out, another closed system forms up. It kinda works like Moores Law but I don't what to call it.
So that is why I don't think Facebook will do so well in the end but I'm sure people will make a ton of money closing things back as Google is doing with their newer Android OS's. Like a phone that costs double to go from 8 gig to 16 gig that doesn't have memory card slot to save space (make a ton of money).
Yep, Apple may be on top now as are many other closed systems, but over time the open ones win out eventually. WOZ is right about that.
By someone that ran Pepsi in the ground for some time and then Jobs came back in with that NEXT crew.
--Board-level engineering elegance appears to have been swamped by volume savings on commodity silicon some time ago.--
Not necessarily, there is always that smaller device.
Speaking of Atari, history could have been much different because around 1980 they really the best micro computer but the marketing was terrible. Later when Jack Tramiel took over what was left then all of the smart Atari guys went on to do the Amiga. Jobs has to be considered one heck of a salesman and a little bit of a crook as you just said.
I'm not too worried about the WOZ because he has enough money to play with whatever he wants for the rest of his life even so.
Like what UI tricks that the Xerox Parc didn't already have?
It's really worth that much for Benny Hill and Space 1999?
Cool, Space 1999 used to come on ITV. Spandex and lasers.
What the hell I'm undoing a MOD but check the discount bins at WalMart. I think I saw the "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" there for $3. Most people anymore don't use DVD's or even BlueRay. It's all in the (((cloud))) now.
Well I was asked whether the problem was ignorance or apathy. Really, I don't know and I don't care.