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Foxconn CEO Fuels iTV Rumors

An anonymous reader writes "Apple may soon begin production of a full-blown HDTV, dubbed iTV by Apple watchers, according to the Terry Gou, CEO of Apple's main hardware supplier Foxconn, in a brief interview with the newspaper China Daily. The newspaper reports that the device will feature 'aluminum construction, Siri, and FaceTime video calling' and will be manufactured by a 50-50 joint venture between Foxconn and the Japanese manufacturer Sharp; other details, including the schedule, were notably absent. Apple's spokesperson has declined comment. So it's not clear how solid this 'scoop' is."

153 comments

  1. Not interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, not interested in a propritery iTV where I can only watch what Apple wants.

    1. Re:Not interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because AppleTV has Netflix, Vimeo, Youtube already there?

    2. Re:Not interested by CrzyP · · Score: 1

      And why go with Sharp? Why not Samsung? Their picture quality surpasses that of any Aquos set I've seen. Anyway, the only thing that will make the iTV a success is the ecosystem I assume Apple will integrate.

    3. Re:Not interested by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      Cool, Space 1999 used to come on ITV. Spandex and lasers.

    4. Re:Not interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did that math a few weeks ago, buying out Comcast would take $158 per subscriber per month for two years.It is the broadcasters and the cable companies that are really making TV suck. Hulu drives me bat-shit crazy ( I have to pay to watch ads? ) People bitch about socialism but a Co-op non-profit Comcast that let me buy a-la-crate channels and cost me COST would be pretty great.

    5. Re:Not interested by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 2

      It's usually more to do with the processing underneath than the panel itself. Samsung processing is mediocre at best, not even as good as Fujitsu Plasmavison or Pioneer panels from 5 years ago. Sharp have good panels, but poor DSP processing. Samsung have ok panels but better processing.

      We no longer have high-end TVs on the market, so no excellent panels with excellent processing. Nobody has yet to beat Kuro and Aviamo.

    6. Re:Not interested by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      Sharp is in the gutter with their lcd operation(read: not doing profit). Easily coerced into a big order - and easily accepting such a deal. it's standard apple procurement.

      though they could just buy the panels and processing separately.

      there's rumours about huge oled orders from samsung too.

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    7. Re:Not interested by worf_mo · · Score: 1

      And why go with Sharp?

      My thoughts exactly. I bought a Sharp Aquos 40" LED about one and a half year ago. The picture quality is fine (it's a model with the quad pixel tech), but if Apple just wants good picture quality, they might get it cheaper from somewhere else; they don't need and most certainly don't want the steaming pile of dung of firmware/software that comes with Sharp, unless they plan on getting rid of their customers. As a consequence of owning a Sharp I have mostly stopped watching TV; that's fine by me, but probably not what the manufacturer intended (definitely no return business).

    8. Re:Not interested by Bigby · · Score: 1

      More like there would only be one size and one button. The remote will likely be an iPhone, iPad, or iTouch.

    9. Re:Not interested by fermion · · Score: 1

      I myself am waiting for Apple to produce the ASHDTV. Anyone can produce an HDTV. I am waiting Apple to integrate second amendment rights into this first amendment device.

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    10. Re:Not interested by drkstr1 · · Score: 2

      Because AppleTV has Netflix, Vimeo, Youtube already there?

      Yeah... for as long as Apple allows it. The point is, the choice is theirs, not yours.

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    11. Re:Not interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to any other smart TV maker? You know, the ones who update firmware for the Smart TVs.

    12. Re:Not interested by drkstr1 · · Score: 1

      I am against any technology that locks you into a content distribution channel. As far as I know, Apple is the biggest offender in this regards. At least I don't have to ask Google for permission to write my own app for my own TV.

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    13. Re:Not interested by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      If Apple are pursuing high margins as always then the best bet is Panasonic plasma's, they got burnt big time and will be looking to dump as many screens as possible. With plasma having better contrast they will do better on large displays with lots of text in well lit rooms.

      Apple of course will be able to dump lot's of rebranded iTV on the iGullibles who suck up Apple products, even when it is starting to trend to the spoilt brat market. Still it will be a tricky sell to get those people who can afford a big screen to dump it just to by a iTV with lock in, will it play Divx, doubt it.

      M$ and Sony can compete on big screen with built in game consoles, will Apple try to block game consoles because they won't be getting their 30% on the games. A really odd market for Apple, no profits on DVD's, no profit on game consoles and games, no profit on free to air and try and lock those out will cripple marketability. You can see why Apple are struggling with iTV.

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    14. Re:Not interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like there would only be one size.

      It is not realistic to have only one size since tv's in general have sizes from a tecnical point of view mostly for different sizes of rooms there are in. Cos watching a 27'' tv from 5 m away is not a real plesure.

      So they will need to offer different sizes

    15. Re:Not interested by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      I assume they want to run Apps on their TV. Then plasma is a poor choice, since it can be damaged by showing the same picture for extended amounts of time (think Spotify or other music streaming service).

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    16. Re:Not interested by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Burn in or the appearance of it on Plasma can be readily cleared by showing an all white screen. It's just that a story came out about Panasonic getting stuck with Pioneers old plasma plant and no sales to justify and likely forcing Panasonic to drop to cost to produce margins, rather than cost of development margins, so really cheap and they'd be desperate for numbers. So simply a target of opportunity. I'm indifferent in the LCD Plasma wars, I'm still running a CRT RPTV they do last a very long time and the colours are great, although alignment is a never ending annoyance of course but why create unnecessary waste.

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    17. Re:Not interested by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am against any technology that locks you into a content distribution channel.

      Your life must suck.

    18. Re:Not interested by semi-extrinsic · · Score: 1

      Ah, a fellow CRT-er. My wife keeps saying we should get a new TV for our (pretty small) living room. Her answer to "Why?" is "Because the new ones are flat". So far, we've kept the CRT. I'm guessing we'll buy a new TV when we move in a year or two, 28" will be too small for a larger living room.

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    19. Re:Not interested by nobodie · · Score: 1

      I've got a Vizio Via that has all the above plus a bunch more. Apple is behind the curve, as usual. The question is can they spin the marketing to make it sound like they infuckingvented the 'iTV" before anyone else: like the mobile phone and the mp3 player that they invented before anyone else.

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    20. Re:Not interested by drkstr1 · · Score: 1

      Maybe. I'm pretty happy with it though.

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  2. www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by advocate_one · · Score: 4, Insightful

    try getting that domain back...

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    1. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      With the total market cap if iTV being 3%-4% of Apple's current value - yes, I believe the can. If Zuck dropped $1E9 on instagram, i think Apple can do 3x that on a company with actual revenue.

      Though it will probably be an Apple TV, not an iTV.

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    2. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      Not to mention trademarked - I suspect Apple will pay them for that like they have for every other "original" brand they have come along with.

    3. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was that sound called on the Mac called, sosueme? Didn't the iphone trade mark belong to someone else once? Apple doesn't give a fuck.

    4. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by sribe · · Score: 1

      Didn't the iphone trade mark belong to someone else once?

      Yes. It belonged to a company who had abandoned it for years, meaning it was legally up for grabs. As soon as Apple wanted it, that company falsified a renewal application with the USPTO. That stunt did not stick. The company, BTW, was Cisco.

    5. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Money can buy a lot of things. Assuming the owners of itv.com don't get greedy or else the opportunity will be lost.

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    6. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Bigby · · Score: 1

      ...or they will just use another name.

      Like iVid or iTel or iBigPad

    7. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      iSee

    8. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ITV is one of the major commercial TV networks in the UK. It's been around since not long after TV was invented - and long before Apple even existed. ITV is a common word in the UK for that channel: "it's on ITV".

      It's got both the right to the domain name and a valuable brand in the UK.

    9. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      With the total market cap if iTV being 3%-4% of Apple's current value - yes, I believe the can. If Zuck dropped $1E9 on instagram, i think Apple can do 3x that on a company with actual revenue. Though it will probably be an Apple TV, not an iTV.

      Well, exactly. The existing Apple TV units (first and second generation) were also known as "iTV" before they hit the market too- which makes the "[rumoured forthcoming unit being] dubbed iTV by Apple watchers" somewhat silly and confusing.

      Bottom line is that they changed the name due to problems with the iTV/ITV trademark before, and if it was a big enough deal then I don't see anything that's changed to make things different this time round.

      I'm sure that they could probably buy the .com domain if they offered ITV plc enough money, and even persuade them to ditch international use of the "ITV Productions" brand. However, it would probably cost them a *lot* more to get them to abandon the "ITV" name completely, since it's very well known in Britain, and they'd risk losing audience share (and hence a lot of money) if they changed their name. Yeah, it's stupid, but it's well known that a lot of programmes will get significantly lower audiences if they go out on (e.g.) BBC2 or Channel 5 instead of BBC1 or ITV1.

      They could possibly use the "iTV" name outside the UK, but if they'd thought that was an option, they'd probably have done that already for the current Apple TV units.

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    10. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      The difference here being that rather than some minor semi-abandoned product like "iPhone", the "ITV" name is in active and major use as one of the UK's major television networks and hence far more problematic. Even if ITV weren't profiteering and merely sought payment of what it would cost them in terms of name recognition and brand value to ditch the "ITV" name in the UK, it would probably work out *way* higher.

      They might figure out a deal, but since- as I mentioned above- the original Apple TV (1G and 2G) had *their* names changed from iTV before launch, Apple must have decided it wasn't worth it then, so why would they do it this time?

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    11. Re:www.itv.com already exists suckers!!! by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      The domain is too valuble. The brand itself is too valuble. Unless apple is willing to pay 5+ billions for it, I doubt ITV would sell out.

  3. wrong, wrong, wrong by sribe · · Score: 4, Informative

    It was not really an interview. It was a presentation to a group. And *none* of the other reporters present seem to have heard this alleged remark. More info here.

  4. It's already gone by Dave+Whiteside · · Score: 2

    see http://www.itv.com/
    been a UK TV company since like forever

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    1. Re:It's already gone by Chrisq · · Score: 1, Informative

      see http://www.itv.com/ been a UK TV company since like forever

      That won't put Apple off. Remember Apple Corps v Apple Computer. One thing that ITV will have learned though is not to do any deal allowing them "limited use".

    2. Re:It's already gone by Dupple · · Score: 3, Informative

      The product is called Apple TV. Not iTV.

      What the is new product is going to be called is anyones guess.

      It is just a rumour though, so is this other story.

      http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/apple-in-talks-to-buy-tv-manufacturer-loewe-1080128

      Both contradictory rumours

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    3. Re:It's already gone by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      Apple will argue that since it's a UK company, they should be using .co.uk and not .com. Apple's billions of dollars... err... "Justice Points" will surely help in any legal battle.

    4. Re:It's already gone by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple would never call it iTV for this reason. And before people ask "why don't Apple buy ITV", ITV's enterprise value is 327.01 billion. Apple could afford that, but 1/3 of all their money just for a name, I don't think so.

    5. Re:It's already gone by dkf · · Score: 1

      Apple will argue that since it's a UK company, they should be using .co.uk and not .com. Apple's billions of dollars... err... "Justice Points" will surely help in any legal battle.

      Wouldn't help against what is still a large company that's been openly and "notoriously" using the brand; it's their stock-ticker symbol for goodness' sake. It would take a phenomenal amount of money to move them, the courts wouldn't help move a large company out of the way for a new product with no brand penetration, and you can bet that ITV would demand that as cash, which would have Apple's shareholders in a fury. ("You're blowing how much on a domain name???")

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    6. Re:It's already gone by EvilBudMan · · Score: 1

      It's really worth that much for Benny Hill and Space 1999?

    7. Re:It's already gone by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      From what I could tell, their enterprise value is actually £2.768 billion, making them rather affordable compared to what you said. That said, Apple is more likely to simply purchase a license to use the term in the consumer electronics space, or else to buy it outright from them, much as they did with the term "Apple" when they settled their lawsuits with Apple Records a few years back. Apple hasn't indicated any interest in getting into the media production industry, which is currently well outside of their purview, and even at a "mere" £2.8, that would still be one hell of an expensive name for a product that hasn't been announced and can have its name changed free of charge.

    8. Re:It's already gone by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      I used Yahoo Finance, http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=ITV.L

      Perhaps Yahoo are a factor of 1,000 out. Unsure what is realistic these days, with tech company bubbles around.

    9. Re:It's already gone by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      if their market cap is 3.something billion.. and their "enterprise value" is 100x that..

      "Enterprise value is calculated as market cap plus debt, minority interest and preferred shares, minus total cash and cash equivalents"

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    10. Re:It's already gone by rcs1000 · · Score: 1

      Pounds and pence, I'm afraid - you've exaggerated the value of ITV by a solid 100x (or 60x if we assume that you were thinking its value was quoted in dollars).

      ITV has a market capitalisation of £3.2m and negligable net debt. So, an enterprise value of - say - $5bn. And they do Downton Abbey.

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    11. Re:It's already gone by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks for the response. That difference is rather odd.

    12. Re:It's already gone by JSombra · · Score: 1

      Little chance of them even trying, ITV have a pretty large legal team themselves with international experience (as ITV channel as well as it's programs are rebroadcast in many country's in the world) in both copyright and trademark. It will be either Apple TV or something like iTele. Though either way i will not be a customer.

    13. Re:It's already gone by expatriot · · Score: 1

      ITV's market cap is £3.1 billion. The market cap is the price per share times the number of shares. If a company tries to buy all of the shares however, the share price goes up because shareholders know they can hold out for more. The premium can be anywhere from 10% to 100% depending on the feeding frenzy.

    14. Re:It's already gone by damburger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Notice how all American posters think that ITV is just going to be rolled over by Apple simply because it is a UK company they haven't heard of. ITV have a long history trading under that name, are still one of the main content providers.

      The UK is a large enough market, that Apple would not want a pointless legal fight just to take over a name that would, for most British people, sound odd associated with an Apple product. Especially seeing as "Apple TV" is already established as a thing.

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    15. Re:It's already gone by mwooldri · · Score: 1

      It's odd that apple doesn't have apple.co.uk but they have apple.fr, apple.de, apple.se ...

      In any case ITV plc is a producer of television programming and sells it worldwide, so it has every right to the itv.com domain.

      In any case both ITV and the BBC had to pay a lot of money for their names, since they *had* concentrated on .co.uk and realised too late that they needed the .com rights.

    16. Re:It's already gone by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      [ITV has] been a UK TV company since like forever

      Pedantically speaking, it's only since 2004 that "ITV" has referred to a specific *company* (i.e. "ITV plc").

      Originally, "ITV" referred to the UK-wide *network* made up of separate local independent television franchises (e.g. Yorkshire Television for Yorkshire, Grampian Television for North Scotland, etc.) that started in the mid-50s. (In fact, I remember hearing somewhere that the term "ITV" to refer to this didn't come until later on). From the 90s onwards the government allowed those companies to merge, eventually resulting in a single behemoth that renamed itself "ITV plc" (and its original stations all being rebranded "ITV1") after the original network.

      ITV as a network- distinct from the ITV plc company- still exists, as there are two other much smaller franchisees (UTV and STV) remaining, though they still use their own names. But regardless, the "ITV" name has been in use a long time.

      tl;dr version- ITV was originally the network, not the companies, but since most of those companies merged, the owners now use the ITV name too.

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  5. Mac Fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    I like anything that is shiny and made by Apple!

  6. Trademarks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, good luck calling it that here in the UK.

    http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2406230A

  7. I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by ddd0004 · · Score: 2

    This is getting dangerously close to the super high end crap they sell audiophiles.

    1. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by MadKeithV · · Score: 3, Funny

      This is getting dangerously close to the super high end crap they sell audiophiles.

      No, not even slightly close. Yes, that's a POWER cable.

    2. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by AdrianKemp · · Score: 2

      I don't care that much about the material, but I do care a *lot* about the finish.

      Brushed aluminum will ensure I never buy it regardless of how good it is. I will only ever buy a TV that has a matte black finish on the bezel. It's the only thing that doesn't intrude on my viewing.

    3. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're weird.

    4. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 2

      Makes Denon's cat5 cable look a steal.

    5. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But look! There's $505 off! It's a bargain!

    6. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Actually a glossy black bezel can be nice when done well. It reflects some of the on-screen image, softening the edge of the picture. It's a cheap and easy way to increase "immersion" in the image that almost all quality TVs use. The only ones you can get with matte black plastic these days are cheap supermarket crap.

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    7. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by SimonTheSoundMan · · Score: 1

      I've never seen a grade 1 or grade 2 screen with a gloss black surround. They are usually matte black or 18% grey.

    8. Re:I don't care what my TV case is made of.. by AdrianKemp · · Score: 1

      It isn't the reflection of the image that causes problems, it's the surrounding light.

      Unless you only ever watch TV in darkness, the bezel becomes a reflector for all overhead lights/windows/etc. The entire scene is moving but there's a fixed point of light on the bezel that throws the hole thing off.

  8. I don't see the point by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It'd be interesting except every rumor I've ever heard quotes this 27" size which is small by today's standards and the prices I've heard are all well over a grand. If they came out with what amounts to a 42" iPad with a tuner and sold it for $1,200 to $1,500 I think they'd make a killing even if the resolution was the same as an iPad. Coming out with one half that sized when I can buy a 42" for $500 or $600 is pointless. 27" TVs sell for a couple of hundred not $1,500. What they are describing is an iMac without the computer part and a tuner thrown in. I really doubt the lack of a tuner is why people around the country aren't watching iMacs instead of TVs in their living rooms.

    1. Re:I don't see the point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I completed a consumer survey a few weeks ago that included a question about my likliehood of buying a 32" Apple-branded TV.

    2. Re:I don't see the point by WalkingBear · · Score: 1

      I'd love to have a TV with the resolution of the current iPad3. Though I'd prefer to have a 50" panel with the same pixel *density* as the iPad3. :)

    3. Re:I don't see the point by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      at that size/resolution, I'd prefer it to be curved already.

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  9. Apple TV by Grizzley9 · · Score: 1

    Would rather have an add-on box that had these features so I don't need a new tv and will work with anything out there. Why would anyone buy a TV with such integrated, limited features when they will be outdated long before the TV is?

    Give me a marginally smart tv (net capable, some apps), and then anything else let a standalone and easily replaceable box be added, sort of like, I don't know, the current AppleTV?

  10. That hasn't stopped Apple in the past. by Comboman · · Score: 1

    Apple is an expert at stealing other people's trademarks while simultaneously protecting their own.

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    1. Re:That hasn't stopped Apple in the past. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But would they really want to alienate 60m customers? Brits can be fiercely protective of their institutions, especially against large empires. They love nothing more than playing the role of David vs. Goliath.

    2. Re:That hasn't stopped Apple in the past. by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Now's a good time to note that pretty much everyone *except* Apple has called it iTV.

  11. Poor mans luxury by Shivetya · · Score: 2

    iDevices are this generations BMW car. They are incredibly well marketed and I cannot begin to count the number of people on many Apple forums that I visit who finance all of these devices.

    How do you tell when someone is going beyond their means in the realm of electronics

    1) They finance it

    2) They quibble over 25 and 50 dollar upgrades

    3) See #1 combined with going with a top end model when a lower end easily suffices

    Don't underestimate the power of Apple's marketing to have people make irrational purchasing decisions. Come people don't need a new device each generation but forums everywhere are replete with many doing such

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    1. Re:Poor mans luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Financing is about the only way to buy when they refuse to accept cash, check, or money order while the banks refuse to let you have more than $200/day on a debit card.

    2. Re:Poor mans luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, I've paid cash for each car, and the only time I didn't write a check was when they offered, up front, to cover the wire transfer fee. Dealers want the money, and the money is in selling the financing, but they'll easily cave when you threaten to walk.

    3. Re:Poor mans luxury by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bank is weird. Mine lets me pay for anything with my debit card, as long as whatever I'm paying for isn't actually more than what I have available.

      Maybe it's an american thing? I lived in the US for 3 years and the banking situation is hopelessly antiquated. It's like you guys live in the 80's wrt banks.

    4. Re:Poor mans luxury by Entropius · · Score: 1

      Did you actually walk into the dealership with a suitcase of cash, or did you write them a check?

    5. Re:Poor mans luxury by Entropius · · Score: 1

      (and, yes, I know -- 15k in hundreds is hardly a suitcase. It's a figure of speech.)

    6. Re:Poor mans luxury by Bigby · · Score: 1

      You bring a certified check from the bank. But a dealer has the avenues and know how to accept a large non-certified check.

    7. Re:Poor mans luxury by danaris · · Score: 1

      I buy stuff on the credit card, then pay off the full balance at the end of each month. (Or, well, billing cycle, these days, which happens to be in the middle of the month.) No problems with payment, and also not "financing" in any meaningful sense of the term.

      Also, my credit card has a high enough limit that I could, indeed, buy a car on it (though not a BMW ;-) ).

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  12. Display quality? by GerbilSoft · · Score: 2

    The one consistent thing I've seen with the vast majority of HDTVs is that many of them cannot show a basic computer image without messing up the display in some way. For example, many "1080p" HDTVs arbitrarily limit the VGA input to 1024x768, and there's also models that arbitrarily subsample input to 4:2:2, which introduces color fringing. (Just try using any sort of program that displays text on that!) Virtually none of the displays I've used that are marketed as standard monitors have these issues.

    What I'm wondering is if Apple's "HDTV" will actually be usable as a standard monitor, or if they'll use the same garbage decoders found in the rest of the dime-a-dozen displays. If they do use a standard monitor decoder instead of garbage, then it might actually be worth a purchase, regardless of the brand name or extra iOS functionality. (Obviously it would need to actually support various inputs like VGA, YPbPr, etc; a Thunderbolt-only HDTV is kinda useless.)

    1. Re:Display quality? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      Especially with plasma displays, the science is more complicated than "spray this buffer of cathodes onto a screen". Some of it has to do with copy protection mechanisms, too. But essentially, if you don't display at native resolution, the scaling artifacts would be unacceptable, so they only use native resolution

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    2. Re:Display quality? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Why use the VGA input at all?

      I hook my computer up to my LCD TV using HDMI and have none of these problems.

    3. Re:Display quality? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      This is Apple. The likelihood of them supporting VGA as standard is virtually nil. The last time I had a Mac with VGA output built in was in the '90s. Everything since then has used one of their adapters.

    4. Re:Display quality? by TummyX · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of HDTVs use HDMI input. HDMI (at its basic level) is electrically the same as DVI. A simple DVI to HDMI adapter or cable will cost you peanuts and you can get a 1:1 picture from your PC to your HDTV. Just make sure that you've adjust the TV to not do any zooming. A lot of HDTVs will "zoom" in the picture a bit because some older broadcasts had overscan borders. Turning off or lowering the sharpness filters, MPEG reduction and other post processing will make your HDTV look pretty much like a huge computer monitor without any of the quality loss you're used to seeing.

    5. Re:Display quality? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The main thing that messes up computer displays on HDTVs is edge enhancement. Turn that off and everything will look nice again, unless your TV really is a POS.

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    6. Re:Display quality? by GerbilSoft · · Score: 1

      I have a ThinkPad T60p, which only has VGA on the base unit. I also use VGA with most of my other electronic devices, since VGA doesn't have the cable length issues that DVI and HDMI have.

      I have also seen these issues on the same TVs using HDMI/DVI, especially broken EDIDs. It's not just limited to the VGA decoder, and quite honestly, if a 2012 HDTV can't match the VGA decoding capabilities of a 2000 PC LCD (Dell 1701FP), something's wrong with it.

    7. Re:Display quality? by Entropius · · Score: 1

      "Edge enhancement" i.e. oversharpening makes everything look shitty, whether it's a movie or a baseball game or a computer display. I imagine that whoever is producing broadcast signals sharpens them exactly how much they need to sharpen them on their own, and is probably pretty annoyed to see GIANT HALOS around everything on people's tv's.

    8. Re:Display quality? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      practically all new full-hd or hd-ready screens let you drive them at the native resolution and you'd be a fool not to. practically all of them let you turn off enhancements too(craptamenhacements.. ).

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    9. Re:Display quality? by GerbilSoft · · Score: 1

      I did use the native resolution when running tests on HDTVs. The 1024x768 thing was an issue with some older models that either had broken EDIDs, only exposed 1024x768 on the EDID, or claimed that any resolution other than 1024x768 was "out of range". (Also "720p" plasma screens that actually have a 1024x768 native resolution due to non-square pixels.)

      Turning off "enhancements" helps a bit, but still nowhere near a PC monitor. As an example, I tested a 46" Sony Bravia a while ago (don't remember the model number). At 1920x1080, a checkerboard pattern test showed interference between pixels and lines. That interference doesn't happen on any PC monitor I've tested, even with analog VGA.

    10. Re:Display quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like you might have a TV with a bad EDID and you do not know how to make your computer output at the resolution you like. It could also be that they just set at a safe resolution just to get people displaying without much fiddling. But all the LCDs I have worked with support RGB 4:4:4 and same YcBCr You know you can force your computer to output at almost any resolution you like outside of the EDID. Back in the days we had lots of fun configuring the X configuration file and at the same time killing monitors by setting the wrong refresh rate, but with LCDs is much safer.

      The one consistent thing I've seen with the vast majority of HDTVs is that many of them cannot show a basic computer image without messing up the display in some way. For example, many "1080p" HDTVs arbitrarily limit the VGA input to 1024x768, and there's also models that arbitrarily subsample input to 4:2:2, which introduces color fringing. (Just try using any sort of program that displays text on that!) Virtually none of the displays I've used that are marketed as standard monitors have these issues.

      What I'm wondering is if Apple's "HDTV" will actually be usable as a standard monitor, or if they'll use the same garbage decoders found in the rest of the dime-a-dozen displays. If they do use a standard monitor decoder instead of garbage, then it might actually be worth a purchase, regardless of the brand name or extra iOS functionality. (Obviously it would need to actually support various inputs like VGA, YPbPr, etc; a Thunderbolt-only HDTV is kinda useless.)

    11. Re:Display quality? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      This.

      I've got a sharp. I use an HDMI connection. (Actually i have an hdmi receiver, and all my devices including non-hdmi stuff like the Wii plug into the receiver. I've got exactly one hdmi cable going from the receiver to the TV.)

      I put the TV in "game" mode, which turns off all the post processing. (Post processing takes a bit of time... which translates to a few ms of extra latency... which makes it unsuitable for gaming. Hence "game mode" turns it all off.)

      Next i set the aspect ratio to dot-for-dot which gives pixel perfect 1920x1080.

      Works great.

    12. Re:Display quality? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Samsung TV's can get around the 4:2:2 problem if you set them to PC mode and use HDMI input 1. I use a Samsung 46" TV as my computer monitor. I'm really picky about details too, but it gets it right.

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    13. Re:Display quality? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 1

      Most of them do not get around the 4:2:2 chroma subsampling though. That's basically where your TV only displays half of the proper color resolution. It will look fine for the most part (for example, black text on a white background will look fine,) but you'll notice some colors tend to smudge with other colors. It gets particularly bad when you try to calibrate it on a site like lagom.nl, whereas if it doesn't do 4:4:4 chroma subsampling, you won't even pass half of the tests on that page, and it's basically impossible to calibrate.

      As I described in an earlier post, you can get most Samsung TV's to do this. It's a bit iffy on other brands as to whether or not you do this, most brands can't at all. Sony is particularly bad at this.

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    14. Re:Display quality? by bloggerhater · · Score: 1

      The one consistent thing I've seen with the vast majority of HDTVs is that many of them cannot show a basic computer image without messing up the display in some way.

      Someone please downmod this. This is asinine and quite frankly, patently untrue. Almost all HD LCDs and Plasmas have long ago replaced standard VGA with DVI or HDMI inputs which can both take a VGA signal with cheap adapters and run up to the displays own max resolution as long as the computer supports those resolutuions. If OP has a true 1080 or better capable HD display and the display can't run off his machine at 1920x1080 (or higher) it's likely either a bad port on the display, bad cable, bad port on the vid card, or a miss configuration. OP may also want to consider that his TV may in fact max out at 1280x768(1024x768 when in a 4:3 format), which is quite common for early "high end" HD plasmas and LCDs. Pioneer PDP-4330HD and PDP-5030HD are great examples of this. Even these TVs that were manufactured in 2003 have a PC DVI input directly on the display. Modern 1080P HD tvs make FANTASTIC displays.

      Even a crap Walmart blulight special 1080P HD with a standard VGA PC input can display 1920x1080 over VGA. There is just flatly no basis for this comment and it should NEVER have been upmoded. SHAME ON YOU COMMUNITY.

    15. Re:Display quality? by bloggerhater · · Score: 1

      Try not sitting three feet away from the display. It helps. These things aren't built to be mounted right in front of your face. They do have a minimum viewing distance.

    16. Re:Display quality? by bloggerhater · · Score: 1

      The chroma 4:2:2 issue is nearly irrelevant when you consider that these displays are not meant to be used on a desktop with the user within arms reach. This type of color bleed just is not visible if you are outside the displays minimum viewing distance.

      1920x1080 or even 1920x1200 just isn't a high enough pixel density to justify sitting two feet away from a 46" display.

    17. Re:Display quality? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      I agree, but 99% of these have computer compatibility tacked on. VGA is usually worse over long distances since Fluorescent lights and many other sources of interference really impact it.

    18. Re:Display quality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cathodes? Are you truly THAT stupid?

      It's a matter of redirecting a beam of electrons at a phospor-coated screen, using a cathode as the source of the beam.

      As for scaling, clearly you also know nothing of how scalers work. Yes, in some situations it's advantageous to use a 1:1 ratio, but in others using the scaler inside the TV may provide a far better picture quality for moving images than would a software one on the computer.

  13. Excellent! by AntEater · · Score: 3, Funny

    I've been axiously waiting for someone to put an affordable, technolgically advanced TV out on the market that will respect the user's freedom.

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    1. Re:Excellent! by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      ...and you're looking to Apple?

    2. Re:Excellent! by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      And I've been looking forward to replacing my obsolete television every couple of years.

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    3. Re:Excellent! by ThatsMyNick · · Score: 1

      Nope, he means as soon Apple comes out with one, everyone else would want to be on the market too. Google & Microsoft would come up with one. Hopefully they would be open.

  14. download caps will kill this like the Sony online by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    download caps will kill this like the Sony online idea.

  15. It will sell like hot cakes. by csumpi · · Score: 2

    Cost doesn't matter. Size doesn't matter.

    If Apple pushes this with a billion dollar ad campaign, saying it's revolutionary and make people feel like losers if they don't have one, it will sell like hot cakes.

    I know several families who are struggling to make ends meet, yet mom and dad sport an iphones with data plans, kids have ipods and ipads. It's sad, but true.

     

    1. Re:It will sell like hot cakes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cost doesn't matter. Size doesn't matter. If Apple pushes this with a billion dollar ad campaign, saying it's revolutionary and make people feel like losers if they don't have one, it will sell like hot cakes

      This.

      People will buy what the advertising tells them to buy. It's that simple.

  16. even then in the UK they can't call it iTV by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    even then in the UK they can't call it iTV as that will be market confusion.

    1. Re:even then in the UK they can't call it iTV by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly, which is why Apple will subsequently argue that they should be given the iTV trademark in the UK as well.

    2. Re:even then in the UK they can't call it iTV by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      Clearly, which is why Apple will subsequently argue that they should be given the iTV trademark in the UK as well.

      Er... nope, don't be silly. They wouldn't bother arguing that- at least not to a UK court- because the existing users would be able to show easily that they were using it long before "iTV" was a glint in Apple's eye.

      Might be able to use the name outside the UK, but if they were going to do that, they'd probably already have done it for the orignal Apple TV units which were also known as "iTV" before launch.

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  17. Once upon a time... by msobkow · · Score: 2

    Once upon a time, Apple Computers signed an agreement with Apple Records (of Beatles fame) that allowed them to use the Apple name provided they stayed out of the music business. Then along came iTunes, and the "Computer" was dropped from the name. I just wonder how much they paid the old Apple Records company for the right to broaden their markets?

    Yeah, it's off topic. :)

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    1. Re:Once upon a time... by expat.iain · · Score: 2
    2. Re:Once upon a time... by msobkow · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Wikipedia and search engines are great info stores -- if you know what terms to search for!

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    3. Re:Once upon a time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh,

      The 'computer' portion of Apple's company name was dropped in '07, because of FCC regulations concerning them selling telephony products.

    4. Re:Once upon a time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once upon a time....

      The world is now wise to the weasel ways of Apple, and I don't think anyone else employs hippy "lawyers" as Apple Records seemed to... Anyhow an attempt by Apple to buy out ITV would run into the Competition Commission. I don't think they'll have many friends there either, given the nature of Apple, and the nasty taste currently being left by the Murdoch media empire.

      Times have changed.

  18. Not for long... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 1

    CEO of Apple's main hardware supplier Foxconn

    will be manufactured by a 50-50 joint venture between Foxconn and the Japanese manufacturer Sharp

    I'm willing to bet one of these facts is about to change.
    Either this CEO is going to get canned, or Apple will be giving that 50% to someone else.

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  19. Totally innovative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets see what patents will Apple have when it comes to television.

  20. TV + tablet by ModelX · · Score: 2

    My telco offers IPTV box with a load of features but a really lousy interface. There's also a tablet app available that will show most of the channels but the interface is basically select one channel from a list and watch it. With so many people having tablets around it makes so much sense to integrate with TVs and make a tablet somewhat like a secondary screen and a much better remote. Apple has everything in place to make such a TV and a lot of space to innovate. Ipads and Iphones can become personal touch interfaces for the apps running on TV. I can think of dozens of functions that can be made easier and more intuitive with such a setup. Plus they can afford to use a higher-powered CPU/GPU in the TV making it more suitable for console-like software.

    1. Re:TV + tablet by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Maybe. I have a family of iDevices, all of which can throw content onto my TVs via airplay/AppleTV pucks. We rarely do that. Having a dedicated remote in the room that's always with the TV is nice, as is a common front end.

      Of course, my ATVs are jailbroken and run Plex to access all of our server-based movie storage (DVD/BR rips) and tv content (via sickbeard). Maybe if I didn't have that I'd wish for a phone interface, but probably not.

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  21. U R doing it wrong. by Cosgrach · · Score: 0

    Shhhhh. If we are all quiet enough about it, Apple will start using iTV as a name before figuring it out that someone else already has it. Then ITV can sue the living crap out of Apple for trademark infringement. Would that not be sweet?

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  22. Running out of HDMI ports by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone buy a TV with such integrated, limited features when they will be outdated long before the TV is?

    Because they already have enough external boxes (pay TV decoder, game console, etc.) creating a spider web of cables behind the TV, and they're running out of ports.

    1. Re:Running out of HDMI ports by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Why not use a port multiplier?

      The simple reality is this will lead to less cables and replacing the TV way more often. Which is what the OEMS want.

    2. Re:Running out of HDMI ports by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      An Apple branded TV won't solve that problem.

      It will just cost more money today and then even more money tomorrow when it becomes obsolete and isn't supported anymore.

      That's the problem with "smart" TVs generally.

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  23. Love-hate the idea by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    If Apple created a TV it would be awesome and terrible.

    Apple has the ability to make things that seem "futuristic" just by incorporating the technologies that everyone begs and pleads to be put into devices, but companies never do. Ex: Voice recognition is a killer app in the living room. The ability to say "Play the next episode of " without picking-up a remote, or running the Netflix/Hulu/DVR app, would be great. A tiny bit of intelligence would be good too: "Play the next episode of that is not a multipart episode" is a good query. Recognizing the person speaking also opens up lots of possibilities.

    But if Apple did it, it wouldn't work with which would be frustrating. Maybe that would be your Linux streaming box, or your stereo with the optical audio system, or your favorite streaming service that you just bought a subscription to.

    1. Re:Love-hate the idea by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      You've got to get the basic data processing right before any of the voice controlled hype means anything.

      Can ANY Apple interface manage what you are asking of it now? Using ANY available input?

      3rd parties are great sometimes in how they can provide a little bit of creative chaos so that useful new features get developed. You don't have to wait for the local monopoly to finally get interested.

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    2. Re:Love-hate the idea by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Thanks Slashdot for eliminating everything I had in angle brackets. Now the body of the post makes no sense. [grumble]

    3. Re:Love-hate the idea by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      I see you lamenting the lack of angle brackets in your post, so I don't know if you were serious or not about all your points.

      If Apple does put voice recognition in a TV set, it will be typical that most people will think they are an amazing innovator, even though there are voice recognition TVs available now. Samsung Smart TV

  24. You only need one port by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Why would you have so many other devices, when the AppleTV will do all of that and more? You only need one port when you have an AppleTV!

    (please don't take this post seriously, I just wondered what it would be like if I worked for Apple marketing.)

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  25. 50 / 50? by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

    But would it be 50/50? Foxconn just bought a 50% stake in Sharp’s LCD display manufacturing plant. So is it 50/50 with Sharp or with the LCD Plant - in which case it would be more like 75% / 25%.

  26. It won't happen - TV companies aren't making money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From bbc.co.uk (competitor of iTV ...)

    (Sony's) TV business, one of its biggest growth drivers in the past, has been hit hard by increased competition and falling prices. The division has been making losses for eight years in a row.

    LCD displays are commodity hardware with tiny margins. The only things I could see Apple adding is a decent menu system, an intuitive remote and a built-in PVR system (maybe). Churning out overpriced commodity hardware would make them some nice profits in the short term, but in the long term they would dilute their brand, which is basically most of Apple's value.

    I'm sure Apple microwave ovens would sell great too, perhaps they could pay homage to the current CEO by calling it the iCook ...

  27. Re:download caps will kill this like the Sony onli by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Buy out Comcast and make it a Co-op. $158 / subscriber / month for two years for the market cap.

  28. open up fort knox by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a 24" monitor is $1,000, I can only imagine what a 40 inch will cost.

  29. Another remote to lose by tepples · · Score: 1

    I had never read the term "port multiplier". A cursory Google search showed that it can mean a switch box (select among several signals) or a signal splitter (run multiple displays from one signal). I assume you meant the switch box. But not all HDMI switches can be operated from the recliner, and even among those that can, it's still another remote to lose.

    1. Re:Another remote to lose by Jeng · · Score: 1

      Or another function you need to add to a Harmony remote.

      I hit the TV button and it turns on the cable box, turns on the tv, and sets the tv to the appropriate input, it can just as easily work with a port multiplier as long as it uses a remote.

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  30. If true, by melted · · Score: 1

    If true, Foxconn is not getting the next contract for it. Loose lips sink ships, Terry. Learn to keep your pie hole shut.

  31. They were due for a flop/dumb idea.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Honestly the iTV is a dumb idea. Now an iSight camera that plugs into the AppleTV3 to give you face time at home on your TV... That's a smart idea.

    The TV market is so saturated with a fight for the lowest price, I cant see apple make any inroads at all.

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  32. Unless this thing is a touch display... by bloggerhater · · Score: 1

    Unless this thing is a touch display I fail to see the point of such a specialized device. Apple tv units can be upgraded to support things like Siri if they chose to go that route in the next gen. Why would anyone assume Apple would release a niche device like this?

    If anything, Apple iTV is a myth perpetrated by Foxconn to increase their own market value. The market clearly indicates that people like the hockey puck set top boxes but are not interested in televisions with built in premium functionality. I'm not even sure the iPad 7" is legit. Wouldn't a Bluetooth 4.0 enabled smart watch based off the nano make more sense? A major iPhone overhaul? AR glasses?

    Any of these things make more sense to me than iTV. The future is in the personal wireless network. Not an Apple branded television.

    1. Re:Unless this thing is a touch display... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      It'll be controllable from iPad/iPhone. You can do that now with the current AppleTV box. It's pretty nice, actually. Having the *TV* panel be touch makes no sense. Who sits a foot from their TV? Well, I do when gaming, but I'm weird.

      Any of these things make more sense to me than iTV. The future is in the personal wireless network.

      What percentage of the market are you?

    2. Re:Unless this thing is a touch display... by bloggerhater · · Score: 1

      It'll be controllable from iPad/iPhone. You can do that now with the current AppleTV box. It's pretty nice, actually. Having the *TV* panel be touch makes no sense. Who sits a foot from their TV? Well, I do when gaming, but I'm weird.

      *speculation*
      They are not just building a television with an ATV in it. Why would the consumers go for an over priced television with a $99 box duct taped to it? Apple will make it much more. It's how they roll.

      Apple devices are desgined around the mover and shaker life style. You plug them in; they work, they work fast, they work reliably. The less user focus required, the better. Siri is a clear indication of Apple's model to reduce how much a user must focus on a device to interact with it, thus increasing the seemless transparency of the enduser experience. The best devices will be ones that you are hardly consciously aware of at all.
      This means that we will not be reaching for a remote or another Apple device unless we have good reason. This device will have touch or gesture. Probably both IMO.

      What percentage of the market are you?

      I'm the percentage that has been driving Apple's development and sales goals for the last decade+. I'm also the guy who hated the hell out of everything I thought Apple and Steve Jobs stood for until I got sick of having to tweak every device I purchased/built after unboxing, just to get the original advertised functionality out of it.

        I'm so glad people who don't know anything about the market and do nothing but post snarky trash get upmoded.

      This is nice. Isn't it nice?

    3. Re:Unless this thing is a touch display... by bloggerhater · · Score: 1

      Incorrectly included this as part of the first quote....

      *speculation*
      They are not just building a television with an ATV in it. Why would the consumers go for an over priced television with a $99 box duct taped to it? Apple will make it much more. It's how they roll.

      Apple devices are designed around the mover and shaker life style. You plug them in; they work, they work fast, they work reliably. The less user focus required, the better. Siri is a clear indication of Apple's model to reduce how much a user must focus on a device to interact with it, thus increasing the seemless transparency of the enduser experience. The best devices will be ones that you are hardly consciously aware of at all.
      This means that we will not be reaching for a remote or another Apple device unless we have good reason. This device will have touch or gesture. Probably both IMO

    4. Re:Unless this thing is a touch display... by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Or maybe you are just utterly and completely wrong.

  33. The other side of story by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    It has to be more than tech. I'm thinking there's some sort of maybe revolutionary probably evolutionary content deal.

    How about this: the Apple functionality is still a little AppleTV-like box that unplugs from the back of then TV so you can upgrade that part of it like people do with their smartphones.

    Maybe implement all the functions in reprogrammable FPGAs so you can do "hardware" updates by just reflashing the configuration PROMs.

    1. Re:The other side of story by Jeng · · Score: 1

      You could do it with a Raspberry Pi

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  34. Apple will keep regualr Apple TV too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it would be stupid to alienate people who already have a TV. I don't care if Apple gives me free Cable TV for life, I wouldn't just punt my existing TV out the door.

  35. Haterade Addict by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0

    I hate anything made by Apple even though I'm going to be excited when the first clone comes out.

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  36. Harmony remotes are expensive by tepples · · Score: 1

    Or another function you need to add to a Harmony remote.

    One could buy a traditional Apple TV box and a port multiplier for the price of a Harmony remote. I have never seen a Harmony remote used in any of the households I've been in.

  37. and what happens when Comcast cuts you off by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and what happens when Comcast cuts you off for useing to much data?

  38. Re:Not that bad. by Jeng · · Score: 1

    One could buy a traditional Apple TV box and a port multiplier for the price of a Harmony remote. I have never seen a Harmony remote used in any of the households I've been in.

    So where exactly can you find an Apple TV box and a port multiplier for $79.99 ?

    http://www.logitech.com/en-us/remotes/universal-remotes/devices/6621

    There are many harmony remotes, I'm giving the price for the one I have. The pricing starts at $29.99 for the 300 and goes up to $349.99 for the 1100.

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  39. A bad deal all around. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    according to the Terry Gou, CEO of Apple's main hardware supplier Foxconn, in a brief interview with the newspaper China Daily.

    The same executive that is proud to treat his workers like animals? Sounds like it.

    The newspaper reports that the device will feature 'aluminum construction, Siri, and FaceTime video calling' and will be manufactured by a 50-50 joint venture between Foxconn and the Japanese manufacturer Sharp;

    This means that it'll have the Sharp name, but the shoddiness that is the hallmark of Chinese hardware (but not of Japanese hardware). It'll be OK since Apple throws the label on it and thus makes it immune from criticism. Any hardware failures will be excused while evidence of it will be considered modbomb worthy.

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  40. Warranted? by tepples · · Score: 1

    My fault; I just saw a bunch of the $109 to $199 models when I Googled harmony remote. But does, say, a Harmony 300 come with a warranty that it'll have a particular device's codes built into it?

    1. Re:Warranted? by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      No, but it is a learning remote. You point the old remote at it and press the buttons to program it.

    2. Re:Warranted? by Jeng · · Score: 1

      It is a learning remote AND you can download new codes from the Logitech website whose code database is updated constantly.

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  41. Why not gesture? by bloggerhater · · Score: 1

    Why not touch...or even better...gesture? No one is going to to shell out $2k for a television with JUST a built in apple TV. I would however drop $2k on a wall mountable 46" ipad without even flinching. Apple does have recent patents on gestures in front of cameras built into display bezels and Siri requires some kind of secondary input. Most don't have the time to be fumbling for their phone or tablet when they want directions or quick information on the way out the door. Not without a better secondary than a hand held device that you may have to go out of your way to grab.

  42. ALUMINIUM by Dark+Lord+of+Ohio · · Score: 0

    I prefer to say Aluminium than Aluminum... Aluminum is soooo hipster and Californian... bleh.