Ah yeah, I get it when re-reading. 3xxxxx is Decatur, a nasty little town. Not a mere speedtrap with a McDonalds like a lot of those little hellholes in the area, but damn close.
Moore's Law is refered to as a law, and yet it has never been formally proven (and I'd venture to say, cannot be proven.)
how can you prove a prediction of the future? wait.
but seriously, you seem rather confused, since it's completely and utterly obvious to anyone with a smidgen of clue that a law such as Moore's is not even veguely of the sort of things that can be proven. I can't understand why you'd bring up the notion of proving it. That's sorta like wondering why no one has "proven" that our modern calendar and time reckoning systems throughout all time. It's silly.
I think it's about time those poor people in other countries have the health benefits and retirement packages they deserve.
We agree! -- they should indeed get the health benefits and retirement packages they deserve, which is exactly what they're getting in my opinion. See, whether I'm being facetious or not (I'm not), the concept of deserving something or another is tricky. Not everyone agrees on what a person deserves. Some would argue that no matter what, you always get what you deserve. By definition.
Sometimes people are kind of vain in deciding what others deserve; they often project what they themselves want or expect or value onto other people, and somehow decide that everyone should agree. They're usually at least partially wrong.
You sure are. No point in attacking my non-knee-jerking-not-grumpy-just-correcting-your-f alse-statements post because of it. BTW, that urine smell you detect is coming from your upper lip. I know because I was so lonely I decided to finally give in to your mom's constant begging, and she told me all about your pee fetish while she was trying to floss out the little bits of feces from her teeth.
One more time, angry confused person: advertising endorsement of radio waves has nothing to do with this story. In fact, other than a press release (which is the source of the exceedingly minor misunderstanding and "squeamishness", and I guess is a sort of advertisement), this story has nothing to do with advertising at all. You still didn't RTFA, so I am done with you. YOU FAIL IT!
I know what you were referring to, and you're still misinformed. That's 2 posts (at least) without RTFA. There is no squabble about advertising rights. Please, I beg of you: RTFA before jerking your knee like that again. You are so confused and off-base it's breathtaking.
this is not insightful. there is no "fight". RTFA. before posting. if you're going to call yourself a member of the 'scientific community', at least try to act scientific and do a little research (RTFA) before spewing nonsensical conclusions and calls-to-arms.
No, it means you should at least try to RTFA before posting. And it means that mods should RTFA before modding. This goddman thread was 94% posts that are just plan wrong, uninformed, or stupid. Thanks to you for pushing it up to 95%. Tool. No one is banning or limiting anything. RTFA or any of the (admittedly few) clueful posts for clarification, I'm tired of repeating it.
Don't sell stuff you can't reasonably claim to own; i.e.; the airwaves.
They didn't. And neither PGE nor Comcast cares that the free wifi is there, it was only the wording of a press release that someone at PGE found to be unpleasant. See, the nice folks who provide the free wifi sent out a press release that implied they had some sort of deal with PGE, which they did not. How about you learn a lesson and RTFA before posting? And while we;re at it how about the effin mods put down the crack pipe and stop labeling uninformed nonsense as insightful?
I cannot believe some imbecile on slashdot doesn't bother to RTFA before posting a blatantly false message that claims that someone is refusing free service.. but anyway. I don't think you can make it illegal for such diots to post to slashdot even when they haven't seen a clue in 10 years (within whatever cluefullness guidelines there are) even though that nonsensical drivel spews across, onto or about an otherwise occasionally insightful website. This is a severe problem for slashdot et al. The uninformed knee-jerking posters are broadcasting noise over everyone's browser windows.. same goes for idiots and people who don't understands even if they did RTFA. [Though, I would love to see./ pass some rule specifically outlawing posting a message until the potential poster proved he or she had actually read the article, by means of some sort of online test that verifies that you have something atop your spinal cord and at least tried to use it to assimilate some relevant background before spewing a post.] I guess the slashbot monkey in question might find a way around that restriction and manage to spread misinformation anyway.. that would be in keeping with his intelligence level.
WTF are you talking about? Did you read any of the article at all? Or did you just have that nonsensical lament sitting ready for the first opportunity to thow it out (or up, as in vomit)?
There's no consternation about the free service, rather there is mild annoyance about the wording of the press release. That's all. No one, PGE mgmt and Comcast included, cares that the free wifi is being provided. PGE was just concerned that the press release sent out by the nice folks providing the free wifi implied some sort of arrangement/agreement with PGE that didn't exist.
To the other posters lamenting./ quality as of late -- the problem isn't./, this story does have some interesting points for discussion. The problem is the moronic slashbots who read nothing on a topic before spewing all sorts of stock cut & paste nonsense about the evils of The Man, erosion of values, loss of liberty, MS bad, etc etc etc. Crap like this used to be ignored, but now the morons are mods too, so the uninformed nonsense gets modded up by other uninformed moron mods. Then this crap seeds countless moronic arguments that flood the forum with stupid, useless, irrelevant noise.
The danger here is the boy-who-cried-wolf syndrome, or massive loss of credibility. Just like telling your kids that smoking pot will kill them or make them instant loser addicts backfires when they realize you lied and subsequently ignore everything else you say about drugs (true or not), so does crying "the sky is falling" over every piddling issue that can be misrepresented and twisted into a freedom issue. This is not a freedom issue, and you should STFU until you read a little more background on this one. mmkay?
And we had xyz and 3D before, in that sense. Seems you read netiher the article nor the post you're trying to defend. The relative dimensions per bit are changing (this time z is getting bigger and x and y are getting 2-4x smaller, as opposed to usual incremental drive density changes where z is constant and x and y shrink a bit.) But, in all cases, all 3 dimensions were (unavoidably) used before and now. It is not, as the OP claimed, a move from 2D to 3D storage any way you want to look at it.
Moreover, the original post led people to believe that data were being stored in 3D, i.e., layering of data on ther platter, offering n times density where n is the number of layers possible. See the posts below for evidence of this confusion. The reality, of course, is nothing of the sort. Please RTFA and STFU.
Yeah, though you all had great points about the advantages of serial over parallel (bit synch, crosstalk) you all completely missed the point of the question, which was about point-to-point connections. The opposite of 'point-to-point' is 'multi-tap', or 'multi-fanout', or 'bus' -- not parallel. With ATA and many other bus interfaces, one thing connects to many things, i.e., it's not point-to-point, it is a bus, so the (>2) things on the bus have to negotiate to decide which 2 things get to talk (while the others patiently wait -- wires are still just unidirectional signal propagators).
Serial vs. parallel is not the same as point-to-point vs. multitap (bus). Related, sure, since serial makes it cheaper (feasible) to use point-to-point connections, since you only need one transciever (transmitter/receiver) per pair of things that need to talk to each other. But you can have serial multitap (silly) or parallel point-to-point (also silly) if you want.
Interesting? This clueless and sadly-late attepmpt at a FP is misleading everyone that reads it!. And you mods are to blame -- that's right: YOU!
Grrr, RTFA: there is nothing "3D" about it. It's still a 2-dimensional array of bits on a platter. The density increase comes from standing the little areas of magnetic media on end, instead of laying down. So, a top view of the old scheme would look like:
||||||||
||||||||
The new scheme, from the top:
:::::::: ::::::::
In this case 2x density, as the lower one has twice as many dots in the same area as the dashes of the upper. (That is, each dot or dash represents the area of the physical medium used to store one bit by changing its magentic orientation). Get it? No 3-d. No holograms. Just 2-4x density increase by changing the orientation of the bits from parallel to perpendicular (relative to the disk platter surface).
RFTA, what am I, your executive administrative assistant? Bah, here bizzotch, from the fine article:
Perpendicular recording will be required at the point when products reach capacities of about 100- to 200Gbits per sq. in., compared to approximately 50Gbits today, industry observers said.
No offence to the "wonderful" folks from Mass of course, its just that tech support folks cringe when they hear the accent (or a 3 as the first digit in the zip code, but that's another story)
On what planet does this other story take place? On Earth, in the US, in the state of Mass., zip codes start with 01 or 02. 3xxxx is Decatur, GA.
Surely you can distinguish a Boston accent from a Southern accent? i.e. 'cah' != 'cawr':)
This is so funny, cool, and well-worded that I was ready to steal it for future use before I noticed the flaw: the Cat5 cable has (at least potentially) a billion "headsets" attached, and these are magic headsets which store what they play and can each have another billion headsets attached, and so on.
It really is a cool analogy, and I wanted it to work. Really.
You can in google news, which is where it really matters. And you can restrict any google results to those pages updated in the last 3 months, 6 months, or one year (try "Advanced Search").
You cannot filter out ecommerce sites
Yes you can, as well as could ever be possible without a centralized net authority handing out official "commerce" and "not commerce" tokens of some kind. Try "item -shop -cart -buy -price" etc. Before you cry for an "exclude commerce hits" checkbox, think about how that could (or could not) be implemented. Do all ecommerce sites include a meta tag that says "I'm a commerce site"? If some did, and google trusted this tag, do you think anyone might take advantage of this honor system and lie to get their results listed even when someone asks for no commercial results.
I'm not convinced that simply appending the word "review" to the search string has the desired effect.
You don't have to be convinced, just try it. It works. How stupid is it to say "gosh, the obvious solution just doesn't sound convincing, so I won't try it."? Obviously you did not try it (or you're an idiot and weren't "convinced" even after it worked before your very eyes.)
I read the article and, like 90% of everyone posting here, was aghast at the incredible stupidity contained therein. Now even the article's remarkable level of idiocy is being surpassed by posts from the other 10% -- like this one. Sigh.
You shouldn't have to constantly evaluate what others may have put on your machine.
You don't get it -- you can't "evaluate what others may have put on your machine", ever. No one can. It's all little bits of this or that, encrypted. You probably won't have all of any one single file (except possibly really small stuff, like txt files). And you can't see inside, or know what it is inside any littly mysterious encrypted chunks of data on your drive. That's what those two big words plausable deniability are all about.
BTW, I've no problem with those who choose not to support freenet for whatever reason, but repeated posts explaining this, with reference to kiddy porn or any other reason, are unintereasting and redundant, and should be modded as such.
If you can sort out the confusion babelfish will spew at you, point it to this YahooBB Japan DSL price chart. It's not as cheap as the service mentioned in the article, but it is 26Mbit for ~US$41/month (assuming 116yen/US$).
For more clarification of the babelfish machine-translation artifacts, here's a decent translation, but that's from me, so I dunno if you'll trust it -- you know how much I like to make people feel bandwidth envy.
While I'm here, I'll share some choice funny Engrish from the babelfish translation:
As for proposal simplicity! Now we can propose immediately
* * Make wait it does not do to utilization! * *
Proposal day July 16 day Construction completion due date July 25 day.
After the completing the construction, connecting the modem which reaches, the Yahoo! Start of BB utilization! As for details this way.
As for proposal?
Telephone number is inputted from correspondence area check just!
As for construction?
Because it is construction of NTT inside, being at home there is no necessity!
As for setting?
Because video and the CD-ROM help, you feel at rest even alone!
Hmm, babelfish choked on this page. Wierd. Here's what I can get: there are several up-front charges amounting less than US$100. And, I am quite sure that it is not $21/month, rather for full 26Mbit, without renting hardware, the cost is at least yen3838/month (~US$33) or yen4828/month (~US$41) including equipment rental. This is for YahooBB DSL, translated from the page linked below, which maybe different from the service mentioned in the article, but it's available now.
Anyway, it's still quite good since there are no bandwidth or usage limits or caps, in either direction -- I checked ALL of the little notes (and there were many) and terms & conditions pages. No limits. Wow.
Here's a breakdown of the charges from http://bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/promotion/campaign/thre efree/charge.html , all units are yen, and currently there are about 116 yen/US$:
ISP = 1st 3 months free, 1290 per month from the 4th month on
voip is free, no charge ever for this
* I'm not sure what this is exactly, but it's the same price as 8M service.
** Eastern and Western Japan have different phone companies, and Western is a little more expensive.
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Ah yeah, I get it when re-reading. 3xxxxx is Decatur, a nasty little town. Not a mere speedtrap with a McDonalds like a lot of those little hellholes in the area, but damn close.
Moore's Law is refered to as a law, and yet it has never been formally proven (and I'd venture to say, cannot be proven.)
how can you prove a prediction of the future? wait.
but seriously, you seem rather confused, since it's completely and utterly obvious to anyone with a smidgen of clue that a law such as Moore's is not even veguely of the sort of things that can be proven. I can't understand why you'd bring up the notion of proving it. That's sorta like wondering why no one has "proven" that our modern calendar and time reckoning systems throughout all time. It's silly.
I think it's about time those poor people in other countries have the health benefits and retirement packages they deserve.
We agree! -- they should indeed get the health benefits and retirement packages they deserve, which is exactly what they're getting in my opinion. See, whether I'm being facetious or not (I'm not), the concept of deserving something or another is tricky. Not everyone agrees on what a person deserves. Some would argue that no matter what, you always get what you deserve. By definition.
Sometimes people are kind of vain in deciding what others deserve; they often project what they themselves want or expect or value onto other people, and somehow decide that everyone should agree. They're usually at least partially wrong.
I'm very, very sorry.
f alse-statements post because of it. BTW, that urine smell you detect is coming from your upper lip. I know because I was so lonely I decided to finally give in to your mom's constant begging, and she told me all about your pee fetish while she was trying to floss out the little bits of feces from her teeth.
You sure are. No point in attacking my non-knee-jerking-not-grumpy-just-correcting-your-
One more time, angry confused person: advertising endorsement of radio waves has nothing to do with this story. In fact, other than a press release (which is the source of the exceedingly minor misunderstanding and "squeamishness", and I guess is a sort of advertisement), this story has nothing to do with advertising at all. You still didn't RTFA, so I am done with you. YOU FAIL IT!
I know what you were referring to, and you're still misinformed. That's 2 posts (at least) without RTFA. There is no squabble about advertising rights. Please, I beg of you: RTFA before jerking your knee like that again. You are so confused and off-base it's breathtaking.
this is not insightful. there is no "fight". RTFA. before posting. if you're going to call yourself a member of the 'scientific community', at least try to act scientific and do a little research (RTFA) before spewing nonsensical conclusions and calls-to-arms.
No, it means you should at least try to RTFA before posting. And it means that mods should RTFA before modding. This goddman thread was 94% posts that are just plan wrong, uninformed, or stupid. Thanks to you for pushing it up to 95%. Tool. No one is banning or limiting anything. RTFA or any of the (admittedly few) clueful posts for clarification, I'm tired of repeating it.
Don't sell stuff you can't reasonably claim to own; i.e.; the airwaves.
They didn't. And neither PGE nor Comcast cares that the free wifi is there, it was only the wording of a press release that someone at PGE found to be unpleasant. See, the nice folks who provide the free wifi sent out a press release that implied they had some sort of deal with PGE, which they did not. How about you learn a lesson and RTFA before posting? And while we;re at it how about the effin mods put down the crack pipe and stop labeling uninformed nonsense as insightful?
WTF are you talking about? Did you read any of the article at all? Or did you just have that nonsensical lament sitting ready for the first opportunity to thow it out (or up, as in vomit)?
./ quality as of late -- the problem isn't ./, this story does have some interesting points for discussion. The problem is the moronic slashbots who read nothing on a topic before spewing all sorts of stock cut & paste nonsense about the evils of The Man, erosion of values, loss of liberty, MS bad, etc etc etc. Crap like this used to be ignored, but now the morons are mods too, so the uninformed nonsense gets modded up by other uninformed moron mods. Then this crap seeds countless moronic arguments that flood the forum with stupid, useless, irrelevant noise.
There's no consternation about the free service, rather there is mild annoyance about the wording of the press release. That's all. No one, PGE mgmt and Comcast included, cares that the free wifi is being provided. PGE was just concerned that the press release sent out by the nice folks providing the free wifi implied some sort of arrangement/agreement with PGE that didn't exist.
To the other posters lamenting
The danger here is the boy-who-cried-wolf syndrome, or massive loss of credibility. Just like telling your kids that smoking pot will kill them or make them instant loser addicts backfires when they realize you lied and subsequently ignore everything else you say about drugs (true or not), so does crying "the sky is falling" over every piddling issue that can be misrepresented and twisted into a freedom issue. This is not a freedom issue, and you should STFU until you read a little more background on this one. mmkay?
And we had xyz and 3D before, in that sense. Seems you read netiher the article nor the post you're trying to defend. The relative dimensions per bit are changing (this time z is getting bigger and x and y are getting 2-4x smaller, as opposed to usual incremental drive density changes where z is constant and x and y shrink a bit.) But, in all cases, all 3 dimensions were (unavoidably) used before and now. It is not, as the OP claimed, a move from 2D to 3D storage any way you want to look at it.
Moreover, the original post led people to believe that data were being stored in 3D, i.e., layering of data on ther platter, offering n times density where n is the number of layers possible. See the posts below for evidence of this confusion. The reality, of course, is nothing of the sort. Please RTFA and STFU.
Yeah, though you all had great points about the advantages of serial over parallel (bit synch, crosstalk) you all completely missed the point of the question, which was about point-to-point connections. The opposite of 'point-to-point' is 'multi-tap', or 'multi-fanout', or 'bus' -- not parallel. With ATA and many other bus interfaces, one thing connects to many things, i.e., it's not point-to-point, it is a bus, so the (>2) things on the bus have to negotiate to decide which 2 things get to talk (while the others patiently wait -- wires are still just unidirectional signal propagators).
Serial vs. parallel is not the same as point-to-point vs. multitap (bus). Related, sure, since serial makes it cheaper (feasible) to use point-to-point connections, since you only need one transciever (transmitter/receiver) per pair of things that need to talk to each other. But you can have serial multitap (silly) or parallel point-to-point (also silly) if you want.
Interesting? This clueless and sadly-late attepmpt at a FP is misleading everyone that reads it!. And you mods are to blame -- that's right: YOU!
::::::::
::::::::
Grrr, RTFA: there is nothing "3D" about it. It's still a 2-dimensional array of bits on a platter. The density increase comes from standing the little areas of magnetic media on end, instead of laying down. So, a top view of the old scheme would look like:
||||||||
||||||||
The new scheme, from the top:
In this case 2x density, as the lower one has twice as many dots in the same area as the dashes of the upper. (That is, each dot or dash represents the area of the physical medium used to store one bit by changing its magentic orientation). Get it? No 3-d. No holograms. Just 2-4x density increase by changing the orientation of the bits from parallel to perpendicular (relative to the disk platter surface).
RFTA, what am I, your executive administrative assistant? Bah, here bizzotch, from the fine article:
Perpendicular recording will be required at the point when products reach capacities of about 100- to 200Gbits per sq. in., compared to approximately 50Gbits today, industry observers said.
Got that? 2-4x. OK? Happy? Jeez.
No offence to the "wonderful" folks from Mass of course, its just that tech support folks cringe when they hear the accent (or a 3 as the first digit in the zip code, but that's another story)
:)
On what planet does this other story take place? On Earth, in the US, in the state of Mass., zip codes start with 01 or 02. 3xxxx is Decatur, GA.
Surely you can distinguish a Boston accent from a Southern accent? i.e. 'cah' != 'cawr'
This is so funny, cool, and well-worded that I was ready to steal it for future use before I noticed the flaw: the Cat5 cable has (at least potentially) a billion "headsets" attached, and these are magic headsets which store what they play and can each have another billion headsets attached, and so on.
It really is a cool analogy, and I wanted it to work. Really.
It's just you.
You cannot sort by date.
You can in google news, which is where it really matters. And you can restrict any google results to those pages updated in the last 3 months, 6 months, or one year (try "Advanced Search").
You cannot filter out ecommerce sites
Yes you can, as well as could ever be possible without a centralized net authority handing out official "commerce" and "not commerce" tokens of some kind. Try "item -shop -cart -buy -price" etc. Before you cry for an "exclude commerce hits" checkbox, think about how that could (or could not) be implemented. Do all ecommerce sites include a meta tag that says "I'm a commerce site"? If some did, and google trusted this tag, do you think anyone might take advantage of this honor system and lie to get their results listed even when someone asks for no commercial results.
Google is not perfect.
Duh. Nothing is. And no one said google was.
I'm not convinced that simply appending the word "review" to the search string has the desired effect.
You don't have to be convinced, just try it. It works. How stupid is it to say "gosh, the obvious solution just doesn't sound convincing, so I won't try it."? Obviously you did not try it (or you're an idiot and weren't "convinced" even after it worked before your very eyes.)
I read the article and, like 90% of everyone posting here, was aghast at the incredible stupidity contained therein. Now even the article's remarkable level of idiocy is being surpassed by posts from the other 10% -- like this one. Sigh.
You shouldn't have to constantly evaluate what others may have put on your machine.
You don't get it -- you can't "evaluate what others may have put on your machine", ever. No one can. It's all little bits of this or that, encrypted. You probably won't have all of any one single file (except possibly really small stuff, like txt files). And you can't see inside, or know what it is inside any littly mysterious encrypted chunks of data on your drive. That's what those two big words plausable deniability are all about.
BTW, I've no problem with those who choose not to support freenet for whatever reason, but repeated posts explaining this, with reference to kiddy porn or any other reason, are unintereasting and redundant, and should be modded as such.
certain types of porn are illegal, child porn for instance, merely possesing it, even if unknowningly, is against the law
Are you sure about that?
If you can sort out the confusion babelfish will spew at you, point it to this YahooBB Japan DSL price chart. It's not as cheap as the service mentioned in the article, but it is 26Mbit for ~US$41/month (assuming 116yen/US$).
For more clarification of the babelfish machine-translation artifacts, here's a decent translation, but that's from me, so I dunno if you'll trust it -- you know how much I like to make people feel bandwidth envy.
While I'm here, I'll share some choice funny Engrish from the babelfish translation:
As for proposal simplicity! Now we can propose immediately * * Make wait it does not do to utilization! * * Proposal day July 16 day Construction completion due date July 25 day. After the completing the construction, connecting the modem which reaches, the Yahoo! Start of BB utilization! As for details this way.
As for proposal? Telephone number is inputted from correspondence area check just!
As for construction? Because it is construction of NTT inside, being at home there is no necessity!
As for setting? Because video and the CD-ROM help, you feel at rest even alone!
Hmm, babelfish choked on this page. Wierd. Here's what I can get: there are several up-front charges amounting less than US$100. And, I am quite sure that it is not $21/month, rather for full 26Mbit, without renting hardware, the cost is at least yen3838/month (~US$33) or yen4828/month (~US$41) including equipment rental. This is for YahooBB DSL, translated from the page linked below, which maybe different from the service mentioned in the article, but it's available now.
e efree/charge.html , all units are yen, and currently there are about 116 yen/US$:
Anyway, it's still quite good since there are no bandwidth or usage limits or caps, in either direction -- I checked ALL of the little notes (and there were many) and terms & conditions pages. No limits. Wow.
Here's a breakdown of the charges from http://bbpromo.yahoo.co.jp/promotion/campaign/thr
ISP = 1st 3 months free, 1290 per month from the 4th month on
voip is free, no charge ever for this
ADSL service provider charge:
8Mbit = 990/month
12Mbit = 1190/month
26Mbit = 1390/month
modem with LAN and wifi rental
8Mbit = 690/month
12Mbit = 890/month
26Mbit = 990/month
phone co charge for ADSL line (3950 one-time fee), then monthly**:
Eastern Japan = 168
Western Japan = 176
modem + wireless LAN adapter rental is free for 3 months, then 990/month
telephone help with setup is free
in-home setup help costs 6800
Monthly Totals (after 3 months free, not including any one-time fees):
Eastern Japan**
8Mbit = 3138
12Mbit = 3528
12Mbit + rental = 4528
26Mbit = 3838
26Mbit + rental = 4828
"DSL only"* = 3138
Western Japan**
8Mbit = 3146
12Mbit = 3546
12Mbit + rental = 4536
26Mbit = 3846
26Mbit + rental = 3836
"DSL only"* = 3146
* I'm not sure what this is exactly, but it's the same price as 8M service.
** Eastern and Western Japan have different phone companies, and Western is a little more expensive.
Alas, whatching Bruce Lee movies has not been very helpful
Maybe because Bruce Lee is not Japanese and has never been in a Japanese-language movie (with the possibility of dubbed versions)? Just a guess.