I have watched the crazy vitriol and obfuscation on the climate issue hear for years. Most of the time well meaning people present well reasoned, thoughtful responses to rabid deniers. I haven't noticed anyone changing their mind. At this point, I don't even try to respond. It's just a waste of time. I do get some entertainment watching the deniers heads assplode at each new research publication confirming that we are all heading towards well done toast.
I liked the socialist part at the end but your craziness in the first paragraph is an invalid premise and your conspiracy theories are a prime example of the spread of ignorance.
I see a lot of this here on/. Every time there is new research on climate change or anything remotely related, the trolls come out of their basements spewing vitriol and confusion.
Fossil fuels receive $5.3 Trillion in subsidies annually. Subsidies for fossil fuels amount to $1,000 a year for every citizen living in the G20 group of the world’s leading economies, despite the group’s pledge in 2009 to phase out support for coal, oil and gas. https://www.imf.org/external/p...
I read TFA and all the comments but I still can't figure out what message they are delivering to recruit. Lots of crazy speculation here but it would be nice to understand the message and perhaps that might be a good starting point for a counter message.
It's too hard to install an electrical plug?! It's too hard to find a place to park?! (There are now more public Tesla charging stations in NYC than gas stations) Every car has limitations. Most people can't afford to buy the biggest car that they might ever want to use for a once a year trip. Most people buy something that's economical and practical for their daily use and look at other options for their family vacation or visit to grandma. My daughter lives in the city and doesn't even own a car but finds it easy to rent one for the weekend when she visits... that's her definition of "freedom".
It would have been much better to sell a few years ago before oil tanked. (Remember the old saying "Buy low, sell high"... they seem to be selling low.)
Beyond the fear factor, nuclear also has a fundamental problem in that it has gone from "too cheap to meter (predicted)" to too expensive to matter. Solar and wind power are as cheap a coal plants now and keep getting cheaper. Nuclear is much more expensive and just keeps getting more expensive (even in low regulatory environments). So, nuclear has a "banker" problem. Nobody will give money to build one because they can't pencil out a profit. The only nuclear plants being built are those who have massive government subsidies.
I think you misread the "explore for new sources of hydrocarbons". The problem oil companies have is that they currently have "discovered" and have counted as assets on their books more oil that could be possibly be burned without burning up the earth... probably about twice as much. This means that they will have "stranded assets" in the future as it becomes politically, economically, and environmentally impossible to sell all of the oil assets already on their books. They will have to write these assets off as a loss which means that these companies are actually worth a lot less than their "book value". Rockefeller foundation is smart to divest now and sell their shares to some other sucker who still believes that these book assets are worth something. In light of this, "there is no sane rationale for companies to continue to explore for new sources of hydrocarbons". We have already discovered many times more hydrocarbons than we will ever be able to burn.
1) electricity can do it, but the infrastructure to charge is simply not there in many places. With multi-hour charge times in some cases, it wouldn't take much to get stuck somewhere waiting for hours for a person to be done charging their car.
Have you notice that electrical infrastructure is ubiquitous... it is literally everywhere and it is trivial to install a plug to charge a car. (Unlike oil infrastructure which relies on "gas stations" fed by tanker trucks.)
2) range. it's still not even remotely as good in affordable consumer models. I don't want something that's going to leave me high and dry after 75 miles, and I don't want to have to own a second vehicle for long-range trips.
Do you drive more than 75 miles a day? Most people don't and they can just plug in at home. If you need to take a long-range trip, it's easy and cheap to rent a car. Or... you could wait. Next year, Tesla, Nissan and Chevrolet will introduce longer range cars which are affordable.
3) No, I wouldn't because the electric vehicle that currently fits my criteria is still an $80,000+ vehicle. Nobody seems interested in producing something practical for regular people yet.
Next year, Tesla, Nissan and Chevrolet will introduce longer range cars which are affordable.
If it's a question of whether to sell your proven reserves (sunk cost) or play exploration roulette to add to reserves which may end up as stranded assets, that's an easy decision if you're not a deluded oil company.
My Tesla with Autopilot is a much better driver. It always stays exactly centered in the lane. It's constantly adjusting the speed to keep a safe distance behind the car ahead and will automatically brake when traffic stops or someone pulls in front of me. It won't change lanes unless there is a clear space in the adjacent lane. People are bad, distracted drivers. The automated systems do a much better job of driving.
The reality is that your car has been running on software for the past 20 to 30 years. Most of this software has never been patched. Unless you believe that all software is perfect when it is first installed, you need a mechanism for updates. All of my other electronic devices have the option for regular updates to fix bugs and add features... why not cars? Tesla has a full time cell data modem plus WiFi. This provides streaming music, navigation, and software updates. It also sends back diagnostic information to Tesla so they can look for problems. I get a software update every few weeks. In addition to fixing bugs, I get new features. The first update after I bought the car improved the motor control software to give me an extra 30 hp and improved the 0-60 time from 5.2 seconds to 4.4 seconds. Other updates have added "autopilot" which allows the car to drive itself and avoid obstacles. Self parking and "summon" is surprisingly useful. They've also updated the UI of the screens. I can't imagine having a car without updates. I do have the option of not installing an update but I can't imagine why I would refuse.
The oil companies are sitting on more proven reserves than can ever be pumped and burned if we are going to avoid catastrophic climate change. Even the Saudi's recognize it and that is why they are pumping as much of their oil as possible now (even at low prices) because they know it will be worth even less in the future. They're even trying to sell all of their oil assets now to some sucker who believes "oil will make a big comeback". Most oil companies have oil assets on their books which will be worthless in the future (Google "stranded assets"). Coal is already done and finished and bankrupt. Oil is next... it will take a while to go away (just like IBM and Microsoft are coasting on past glories) but there is no future growth in oil. So, Obama is doing them a favor by preventing them from throwing money at Arctic drilling and Atlantic coast drilling. They should thank him (and look for another business opportunity).
I believe that FB and Google use https so they do have end to end encryption. If you are trying to argue that nobody should be able to read FB or Google Hangout messages they you are kind of missing the point of FB and Hangouts. If you don't want people to read FB and Hangout messages, don't post there.
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I have watched the crazy vitriol and obfuscation on the climate issue hear for years. Most of the time well meaning people present well reasoned, thoughtful responses to rabid deniers. I haven't noticed anyone changing their mind.
At this point, I don't even try to respond. It's just a waste of time. I do get some entertainment watching the deniers heads assplode at each new research publication confirming that we are all heading towards well done toast.
I liked the socialist part at the end but your craziness in the first paragraph is an invalid premise and your conspiracy theories are a prime example of the spread of ignorance.
I see a lot of this here on /.
Every time there is new research on climate change or anything remotely related, the trolls come out of their basements spewing vitriol and confusion.
Do they have something which could keep a telemarketer occupied for 45 minutes or so? I could totally get behind that.
Are you calling for more gubment regulation?
Fossil fuels receive $5.3 Trillion in subsidies annually.
Subsidies for fossil fuels amount to $1,000 a year for every citizen living in the G20 group of the world’s leading economies, despite the group’s pledge in 2009 to phase out support for coal, oil and gas.
https://www.imf.org/external/p...
I read TFA and all the comments but I still can't figure out what message they are delivering to recruit.
Lots of crazy speculation here but it would be nice to understand the message and perhaps that might be a good starting point for a counter message.
Learn to read.
3Q Financial statement:
849 Million sales
541 Million cost of sales
251 Million profit
251/849 = 29% profit on sale of cars.
Why?
Seems like a good solution to me.
Also, running an electric car on coal generated electricity still makes less pollution than a gas car.
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Learn to read a financial statement.
Tesla makes about $23,000 per car. They are investing in new factories and models so that eats the profit.
Sucks to be you.
Right now there are several thousand times as many ICE cars as Tesla's so NYC is good with more chargers than gas stations
It's too hard to install an electrical plug?!
It's too hard to find a place to park?!
(There are now more public Tesla charging stations in NYC than gas stations)
Every car has limitations. Most people can't afford to buy the biggest car that they might ever want to use for a once a year trip. Most people buy something that's economical and practical for their daily use and look at other options for their family vacation or visit to grandma. My daughter lives in the city and doesn't even own a car but finds it easy to rent one for the weekend when she visits... that's her definition of "freedom".
It would have been much better to sell a few years ago before oil tanked. (Remember the old saying "Buy low, sell high"... they seem to be selling low.)
Beyond the fear factor, nuclear also has a fundamental problem in that it has gone from "too cheap to meter (predicted)" to too expensive to matter. Solar and wind power are as cheap a coal plants now and keep getting cheaper. Nuclear is much more expensive and just keeps getting more expensive (even in low regulatory environments).
So, nuclear has a "banker" problem. Nobody will give money to build one because they can't pencil out a profit. The only nuclear plants being built are those who have massive government subsidies.
I think you misread the "explore for new sources of hydrocarbons".
The problem oil companies have is that they currently have "discovered" and have counted as assets on their books more oil that could be possibly be burned without burning up the earth... probably about twice as much. This means that they will have "stranded assets" in the future as it becomes politically, economically, and environmentally impossible to sell all of the oil assets already on their books. They will have to write these assets off as a loss which means that these companies are actually worth a lot less than their "book value".
Rockefeller foundation is smart to divest now and sell their shares to some other sucker who still believes that these book assets are worth something.
In light of this, "there is no sane rationale for companies to continue to explore for new sources of hydrocarbons". We have already discovered many times more hydrocarbons than we will ever be able to burn.
1) electricity can do it, but the infrastructure to charge is simply not there in many places. With multi-hour charge times in some cases, it wouldn't take much to get stuck somewhere waiting for hours for a person to be done charging their car.
Have you notice that electrical infrastructure is ubiquitous... it is literally everywhere and it is trivial to install a plug to charge a car. (Unlike oil infrastructure which relies on "gas stations" fed by tanker trucks.)
2) range. it's still not even remotely as good in affordable consumer models. I don't want something that's going to leave me high and dry after 75 miles, and I don't want to have to own a second vehicle for long-range trips.
Do you drive more than 75 miles a day? Most people don't and they can just plug in at home. If you need to take a long-range trip, it's easy and cheap to rent a car. Or... you could wait. Next year, Tesla, Nissan and Chevrolet will introduce longer range cars which are affordable.
3) No, I wouldn't because the electric vehicle that currently fits my criteria is still an $80,000+ vehicle. Nobody seems interested in producing something practical for regular people yet.
Next year, Tesla, Nissan and Chevrolet will introduce longer range cars which are affordable.
If it's a question of whether to sell your proven reserves (sunk cost) or play exploration roulette to add to reserves which may end up as stranded assets, that's an easy decision if you're not a deluded oil company.
My Tesla with Autopilot is a much better driver. It always stays exactly centered in the lane. It's constantly adjusting the speed to keep a safe distance behind the car ahead and will automatically brake when traffic stops or someone pulls in front of me. It won't change lanes unless there is a clear space in the adjacent lane.
People are bad, distracted drivers. The automated systems do a much better job of driving.
The reality is that your car has been running on software for the past 20 to 30 years. Most of this software has never been patched. Unless you believe that all software is perfect when it is first installed, you need a mechanism for updates. All of my other electronic devices have the option for regular updates to fix bugs and add features... why not cars?
Tesla has a full time cell data modem plus WiFi. This provides streaming music, navigation, and software updates. It also sends back diagnostic information to Tesla so they can look for problems. I get a software update every few weeks. In addition to fixing bugs, I get new features. The first update after I bought the car improved the motor control software to give me an extra 30 hp and improved the 0-60 time from 5.2 seconds to 4.4 seconds. Other updates have added "autopilot" which allows the car to drive itself and avoid obstacles. Self parking and "summon" is surprisingly useful. They've also updated the UI of the screens. I can't imagine having a car without updates. I do have the option of not installing an update but I can't imagine why I would refuse.
The oil companies are sitting on more proven reserves than can ever be pumped and burned if we are going to avoid catastrophic climate change. Even the Saudi's recognize it and that is why they are pumping as much of their oil as possible now (even at low prices) because they know it will be worth even less in the future. They're even trying to sell all of their oil assets now to some sucker who believes "oil will make a big comeback".
Most oil companies have oil assets on their books which will be worthless in the future (Google "stranded assets").
Coal is already done and finished and bankrupt.
Oil is next... it will take a while to go away (just like IBM and Microsoft are coasting on past glories) but there is no future growth in oil.
So, Obama is doing them a favor by preventing them from throwing money at Arctic drilling and Atlantic coast drilling. They should thank him (and look for another business opportunity).
I believe that FB and Google use https so they do have end to end encryption.
If you are trying to argue that nobody should be able to read FB or Google Hangout messages they you are kind of missing the point of FB and Hangouts.
If you don't want people to read FB and Hangout messages, don't post there.
The rest of us in California are happy that you left.