The whole notion of the end being used to justify the means was debunked a long time ago. So whether Israel is fighting for it's survival as you imply or not doesn't justify their behaviour (and if Israel is so fragile that 200 foreign protesters could threaten it's survival then...).
The US repeatedly basis it's support on the 'fact' that Israel is the only true democracy in the region- despite the fact that israel is has much more in common with Iran- both are run by religious fanatics interested more in their own survival that actually adhering to their religion.
And as to your last point: perhaps if you had been around in the 1960s you'd have been busy telling Dr Martin Luther King Jr that he shouldn't bother protesting or trying to change things because 'there is no racial equality in America"? Or perhaps if you'd been around earlier that century you'd have been telling Emily Pankhurst not to bother fighting for the vote for women because "we've all admitted 'there is no right to vote for women'"? Or perhaps if you'd been around in early 19th century England you'd have been telling Williamn Wilberforce not to bother trying to outlaw slavery because 'there is no freedom for slaves"?
The whole point of protesting is to get things changed and if that thing is 'bad' -for example pretty much the entire history of the behavious of the Modern Israeli state- then the protest deserves to succeed.
I'll see your atheist bias and raise your one Adolf Hitler (Atheist) and a Joseph Stalin (Atheist) and put in the pot the 10s of millions of people the murdered.
Religion in general , even Christianity in particular, possibly hasn't been a protector of liberties but the biggest criminals against humanity have been atheists.
In Europe our main stream political parties are all more left-leaning than either of the US parties. In essence the US has two right-wing parties who are, in all the important ways, indistinguishable to anyone outside of the US.
As far as I can tell the only difference between the Democrats and Republicans is that the latter includes witches.;)
t2t10 fantasises that "While European nations were busy raping and pillaging across the globe, American was mostly farming and building up an industrial base."
Really? So the US wasn't busy wiping out the indigenous populations by both direct military means but also using biological weapons (blankets infected with small pox)?
They weren't making unprovoked attacks on other nations: Britain (War of 1812), Spain (repeatedly) and Mexico. If we'd applied the same standards to the US then as was applied to Germany after WW2 your leaders would have been hanged as well for carrying out wars of aggression.
The US fought a civil war because so many of you thought it was the moral and ethical thing to do to keep millions of other human beings enslaved in order to maintain their life-style.
And of course you were also busy discriminating against your own citizens, quite legally, until the middle of the 20th. And still are but not with quite the same degree of overt legal sanction- what proportion of the prison population in your country is black? How much more likely is a black-man to be executed for a crime compared to a white-man who commits the same crime?.
I think you're looking at your country's history through rose tinted glasses. The US has, through out it's history, been an opportunistic bully.
[blockquote]Your point being? The US is a sovereign nation. Of course, it is going to have strategies for defending its interests.[/blockquote]
I have just two questions for you: - firstly do you think morality and ethics have any value or does might make right and it's the duty of every government to force it's will upon others if it's capable of doing so? - second do you think the US Government is doing this for the good of it's citizens or the good of a bunch of corporations who make large donations?
In the US if a corporation has your data it's now their data and they can do whatever the hell they like with it.
In Europe they have to have permission (possibly implied but explicit if it's 'sensitive' like medical records) to hold and process your data.
They have to register what they plan on doing with the data and tell you when you agree- so they can't suddenly decide they're going to use the information you provided to make a travel booking to start marketing cars. Nor can they suddenly decide they are going to process it overseas.
SafeHarbour and similar schemes are automatically OK either- you still have to declare that you will be using them to the Information Commissioner and it's entirely up to you to ensure that you still conform to data protection laws- just using SafeHarbour doesn't let you off the hook it's just easier to get permission to use it.
Superficially your final point is valid- but only if you ignore your poor internal human rights- you still had legally sanctioned racial segregation in the 60s! And their record since then isn't exactly the model of a democratic freedom loving Government.
I'd go as far as saying that the 'bad habits' European democracies have picked up recently have been caught from the US.
They knew this trick back in the time of the Roman Empire.
Bread and Circuses: bribe the population with free bread and distract them with circuses whilst the ruling classes do whatever they want.
In this case Obama is seeking to distract the US from the fact he's renaged on all of his campaign promises, Gitmo is still open for business, the PATRIOT act was renewed (dishonestly snuck through Congress by a Democrat) and the US will be defaulting on it's debts any time now (whilst members of congress invest in funds that will make money when the US goes bust).
More specifically Greece's problems have come about because their citizens behave like spoiled, entitled, children:
1. Average salary on the Greek railways *including cleaners* is $90,0000 a year.
2. 600 'professions' can retire at 50 with a pension -paid for by the state- of 95% of their final salary. Why? Because these professions are stressful and dangerous. What's an example of one of these 600 professions? Masseuse.
3. And now the Greeks have to pay for their profligacy they're on the streets attacking the police with slingshots.
Meanwhile, in Western Europe where we've paid our taxes and worked, we're looking at our retirement age being raised from 65 to 75.
I won't be sad when the Greeks are out on the streets begging for spare change from the new Chinese owners of their country.
There are specific exceptions for 'National Security' in both the European directive and each country's implementation (eg the Data Protection Act in the UK).
So all the US needs to do is find a shill (the UK government would be my guess at their first choice) who will declare that they need to export 'this' data as a matter of 'National Security' (honest!) and Microsoft and in the clear and the US get what they want.
You're confused between real-life (interfering with another business's trade- for which Hi-Media was fined) and a childish fantasy land where is ok to do anything you like (where you "I can't see how Hi-Media did anything wrong enough to justify such a huge fine" which you think "a warning [or] a ban").
Welcome to the grown-up's world, where your actions have consequences, whether your like it or not.
As Linux is only the kernel and not the applications, GUI, C libraries nor any of the other things that make a complete OS then Adobe's claim is completely valid.
There is no line to draw Android uses the Linux kernel the same as Ubuntu and every other GNU/Linux distro.
In LOTRO you can buy everything -including the expansions and quest packs- using turbine points you can earn in game.
A member of my kinship (guild) in LOTRO has played from 1-65 (the current level cap) without spending a penny of real money. And she has every expansion and quest pack.
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No-one else think that not only did he waste 3 years of his life but also waste a lot of tax payer money as well?
He needs psychiatric help.
"then they didn't deserve the legislation"- but what about your citizens, did they deserve the legislation?
This anti-democratic attitude strikes me as being the rotten core of your partisan political system.
You couldn't be more wrong in fact.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
The whole notion of the end being used to justify the means was debunked a long time ago. So whether Israel is fighting for it's survival as you imply or not doesn't justify their behaviour (and if Israel is so fragile that 200 foreign protesters could threaten it's survival then...).
The US repeatedly basis it's support on the 'fact' that Israel is the only true democracy in the region- despite the fact that israel is has much more in common with Iran- both are run by religious fanatics interested more in their own survival that actually adhering to their religion.
And as to your last point: perhaps if you had been around in the 1960s you'd have been busy telling Dr Martin Luther King Jr that he shouldn't bother protesting or trying to change things because 'there is no racial equality in America"? Or perhaps if you'd been around earlier that century you'd have been telling Emily Pankhurst not to bother fighting for the vote for women because "we've all admitted 'there is no right to vote for women'"? Or perhaps if you'd been around in early 19th century England you'd have been telling Williamn Wilberforce not to bother trying to outlaw slavery because 'there is no freedom for slaves"?
The whole point of protesting is to get things changed and if that thing is 'bad' -for example pretty much the entire history of the behavious of the Modern Israeli state- then the protest deserves to succeed.
I'll see your atheist bias and raise your one Adolf Hitler (Atheist) and a Joseph Stalin (Atheist) and put in the pot the 10s of millions of people the murdered.
Religion in general , even Christianity in particular, possibly hasn't been a protector of liberties but the biggest criminals against humanity have been atheists.
The state's right debate was entirely to do with the southern state's 'right' to allow slavery.
You conjure out of thin air what this guy is thinking and then declare him an idiot as a result.
As you were the one that actually came up with the thought you ascribed then logically that would make you....?
Patent or trademark: which is it?
And what's to stop a bomber writing 'geocache - contents harmless" on their bomb?
Must.... resist..... argh can't hold back:
DUH!
You're assuming I think the two are mutually exclusive.
I've always thought he was a twat for renaging on his campaign promises.
Now he's a twit as well. ;)
I'm not a Republican, I'm not even an American.
In Europe our main stream political parties are all more left-leaning than either of the US parties. In essence the US has two right-wing parties who are, in all the important ways, indistinguishable to anyone outside of the US.
As far as I can tell the only difference between the Democrats and Republicans is that the latter includes witches. ;)
t2t10 fantasises that "While European nations were busy raping and pillaging across the globe, American was mostly farming and building up an industrial base."
Really? So the US wasn't busy wiping out the indigenous populations by both direct military means but also using biological weapons (blankets infected with small pox)?
They weren't making unprovoked attacks on other nations: Britain (War of 1812), Spain (repeatedly) and Mexico. If we'd applied the same standards to the US then as was applied to Germany after WW2 your leaders would have been hanged as well for carrying out wars of aggression.
The US fought a civil war because so many of you thought it was the moral and ethical thing to do to keep millions of other human beings enslaved in order to maintain their life-style.
And of course you were also busy discriminating against your own citizens, quite legally, until the middle of the 20th. And still are but not with quite the same degree of overt legal sanction- what proportion of the prison population in your country is black? How much more likely is a black-man to be executed for a crime compared to a white-man who commits the same crime?.
I think you're looking at your country's history through rose tinted glasses. The US has, through out it's history, been an opportunistic bully.
[blockquote]Your point being? The US is a sovereign nation. Of course, it is going to have strategies for defending its interests.[/blockquote]
I have just two questions for you:
- firstly do you think morality and ethics have any value or does might make right and it's the duty of every government to force it's will upon others if it's capable of doing so?
- second do you think the US Government is doing this for the good of it's citizens or the good of a bunch of corporations who make large donations?
It should read "SafeHarbour and similar schemes are NOT automatically OK either-"
Wrong.
In the US if a corporation has your data it's now their data and they can do whatever the hell they like with it.
In Europe they have to have permission (possibly implied but explicit if it's 'sensitive' like medical records) to hold and process your data.
They have to register what they plan on doing with the data and tell you when you agree- so they can't suddenly decide they're going to use the information you provided to make a travel booking to start marketing cars. Nor can they suddenly decide they are going to process it overseas.
SafeHarbour and similar schemes are automatically OK either- you still have to declare that you will be using them to the Information Commissioner and it's entirely up to you to ensure that you still conform to data protection laws- just using SafeHarbour doesn't let you off the hook it's just easier to get permission to use it.
Superficially your final point is valid- but only if you ignore your poor internal human rights- you still had legally sanctioned racial segregation in the 60s! And their record since then isn't exactly the model of a democratic freedom loving Government.
I'd go as far as saying that the 'bad habits' European democracies have picked up recently have been caught from the US.
Not only will the questions be filtered but I am willing to bet he won't give a straight answer to a single serious question.
They knew this trick back in the time of the Roman Empire.
Bread and Circuses: bribe the population with free bread and distract them with circuses whilst the ruling classes do whatever they want.
In this case Obama is seeking to distract the US from the fact he's renaged on all of his campaign promises, Gitmo is still open for business, the PATRIOT act was renewed (dishonestly snuck through Congress by a Democrat) and the US will be defaulting on it's debts any time now (whilst members of congress invest in funds that will make money when the US goes bust).
But never mind all of that: Obama is a Twit now!
More specifically Greece's problems have come about because their citizens behave like spoiled, entitled, children:
1. Average salary on the Greek railways *including cleaners* is $90,0000 a year.
2. 600 'professions' can retire at 50 with a pension -paid for by the state- of 95% of their final salary. Why? Because these professions are stressful and dangerous. What's an example of one of these 600 professions? Masseuse.
3. And now the Greeks have to pay for their profligacy they're on the streets attacking the police with slingshots.
Meanwhile, in Western Europe where we've paid our taxes and worked, we're looking at our retirement age being raised from 65 to 75.
I won't be sad when the Greeks are out on the streets begging for spare change from the new Chinese owners of their country.
There are specific exceptions for 'National Security' in both the European directive and each country's implementation (eg the Data Protection Act in the UK).
So all the US needs to do is find a shill (the UK government would be my guess at their first choice) who will declare that they need to export 'this' data as a matter of 'National Security' (honest!) and Microsoft and in the clear and the US get what they want.
You're confused between real-life (interfering with another business's trade- for which Hi-Media was fined) and a childish fantasy land where is ok to do anything you like (where you "I can't see how Hi-Media did anything wrong enough to justify such a huge fine" which you think "a warning [or] a ban").
Welcome to the grown-up's world, where your actions have consequences, whether your like it or not.
As Linux is only the kernel and not the applications, GUI, C libraries nor any of the other things that make a complete OS then Adobe's claim is completely valid.
There is no line to draw Android uses the Linux kernel the same as Ubuntu and every other GNU/Linux distro.
So why are you reading this thread and posting to it?
If you're not interested fine, but don't be a dick about it.
True audiophiles only listen to live performances.
In LOTRO you can buy everything -including the expansions and quest packs- using turbine points you can earn in game.
A member of my kinship (guild) in LOTRO has played from 1-65 (the current level cap) without spending a penny of real money. And she has every expansion and quest pack.
Me? I'm much weaker and richer ;)
Please show me how to implement Macros -proper Lisp-style macros- in C or C++ so that they are available in standard C (or C++).
Thanks.