Great, now Loki is going to help those poor BSD guys fix the 'issues' that crop up when BSD does it's Linux twist. (I hesitate to call it emulation, BSD just twists the linux calls to something BSD can deal with, rather than actually 'emulating' a linux system. This is why there are NO performance hits running linux binaries on a BSD system)
What does this change? Now BSDers can get support for those linux games. Does it change anything for Loki? Probably not. Maybe a few more FAQs, but honestly, probably zero recode.
It's called Windows, you may have heard of it? It spreads in a most insideous fashion, by using truely awe inspiring social engineering techniques to quitely invest all PCs that must share documents between themselves...
The ultimate stealth virus. and people are even making money off it! One could argue that windows is not a virus because it is not self replicating, but I would say that it _is_ self replicating, just not via an electronic means.
Don't feel bad, about 99.999% of what I submit is rejected too. In fact, of the about 40 or 50 stories I have submited over the last 8 months, this is the ONLY one that made it.
Just keep whacking at it. eventualy the slashdenizins wake up and actually read what you post.
Okay okay, I know, it's the middle of NOWHERE. However, I have found that being in the middle of nowhere has some benifits. It is dirt cheap to live here. You can live like a king in Tulsa for less than 70k a year... And the main two companies in town? Williams and WorldCom. Talk about employment opportunities. Esp if you are more of a networking style geek vs a programing style geek (judging from some code I have seen, the two are not mutually exclusive, but only rarely;> )
Asking 'how many hops to the backbone' is a sure sign of a total misunderstanding of how the Internet network works. It will mark you as being a total rube, ripe for fleecing. I could say "ZERO hops, the backbone runs right through the co-lo space" and _not_ be lying my pants off.
It would be smarter to simply insist on a service contract up-front which states the performance you expect from them,(X amount of bandwidth available to my server, X latency measured between Z and Y, and oh, I need a lock on my cage!) and how it will be measured (TTCP every other day, a basic ping, and only you and I know the combination!) and how many free months/day/weeks of service you get (or $$$) when they don't meet those performance numbers.(Your main co-lo link was down for 6 hours!!! That means I get a credit of $1200!)
Think about how small companies get telco's to do work for em? HIT EM IN THE POCKET BOOK when they fail/are late delivering service!
Depending on the depth of your pocket, Co-Lo ranges from an empty rack with a power cable and no network, to your own private room, with a lock on the door and multiple Gig-E feeds.
After looking at the sci amer article, did anyone else notice this thing is gonna be pumping out a lot of RF?
What an interesting way to be able to track a space craft! presumably you would be able to tell how well the engine is running by 'listening' to the 'sounds' it makes?
How do you plan to keep the Haven's Access lines up in the face of unpredictable weather/cranky governments?
Have you negotiated some type of exclusive privledges for the countries that you must deal with in order to secure that access?
Will your company fight for or against the idea of 'International Online Law'? Something that would apply equaly to all online users, no matter what their physical location?
I have been enoying the ease of use with Roxen since 1996 or so... It has come a LONG LONG way since then... I think the 'coolest' thing about the web server was how it handled shell type scripts as CGI... pipeing a traceroute to the output for a web page actually resulted in roxen holding open the HTTP connection and 'streaming' the output to the browser, as opposed to apache, which buffered the output and then sent it as a page update...
People thought it was the coolest hack they had ever seen! (and they all though I was doing something cool with CGI baahahaha)
As usuall, we get some people who will automaticly slam anything that they don't know much about. So be it. Your opinion will be logged as being worthless, and your reputation for lacking intellectal honesty will haunt you forever...
Thanks alot apple, for planting the 'kiss of death' on BSD. By acknowledging it's superior attributes, you have managed to class it in the 'wierd technical things' class, while linux-based-os will become the 'Windows of Unix'...
And we all know what happened last time Steve tried to tout his technical superiority and ease of use over Bill...
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Of course, when you sign up for a freenet6 account, it generates the config script for you... :>
Get real, even MICROSOFT has IPv6 support for windows! Why don't you do a little research before making such alarmist postings...
the BSDs already have a very good interface to IPv6, and I believe linux is putting it (like everything else) right into the kernel! so what's not to like.
for the record, I believe that the v6 'migration' will begin at the end of 2001, as all the carriers start putting in the new 'next-generation' terrabit/dwdm routing equipment. That is a big enough 'feature' upgrade to warrent doing a whole new network, and that would be the logical time to do the move to v6 for the backbone. It would then be a trivial matter to run the Public Network as a VPN, along with the Voice Network, and anything else you want to toss on it.
This is not necessarily all that good OR bad of a thing... Consider...
In an 'open' market, supply and demand dictate price for any given unit of a particular commodity. This model works quite well where the commodity is limited (gold, silver, pork bellies), but not quite as well when the market can be 'dumped' on, at a regular basis. (hmm, Level 3 just lit up 10 new fibers, bandwidth just got cheap!)
which beggs the question: Will opening up bandwidth (of any type) to a commodity style of trading serve to 'chill' out the explosive growth of bandwidth appliances that we have seen to date? After all, if I own the fiber, it is in my best interest to make it as expensive for you to use as possible!
Anyone notice how OLD this news is, FEB 17th!!! This article has already been cross posted to death, and as usuall, Slashdot wrote the 'teaser' for this thing in such a way to inflame...
If I felt that more newspaper articles were written to actually inform me of something I didn't know, I would probably buy them more often. Even with eye catching headlines, the vast majority of what I read is re-hashed, pre-digested, pre-judged drivel.
What happened to articles that delivered the facts of an event without also providing 'in depth analysis'? I don't need someone to explain a 'possible' why for someone's alleged crimes/behavior/success. If you don't know, DON'T PUBLISH THE ARTICLE UNTIL YOU DO!
One way to solve this is to have a 'system descriptor' include file in your 'linux ports' system. This would make the port skeleton look the same for all distros, but allow the system to define exactly where and how to put the results of the compile.
Throw in the 'registry' style tracking system you get with *BSD ports, and you get a good software maganment tool (not great, but good)
Your not wrong, but the bottom line is, it would/should be trivial to implement a package managment system based off the FreeBSD Ports system to encompass ALL linux distros.
FreeBSD's ports system uses a basic system include file. If all the distros can agree to use the same system include for the locations of the relevent parts of thier distro, problem is solved.
Should be a no-brainer, if Linux companies will 'lower' themselves to taking something from FreeBSD.:>
MAKE SURE the company has registered the options with the SEC. If they havn't registered them, the only way you can use the option is to buy them, and hold them for a year.
(Got burned pretty bad on that, left my last company, went to cash out the options I had vested (Would have made for a down payment on a house or a new car) and turns out the turkeys never registered them! By the time they were finally registered, the company had finished bright sizing, and was worthless!)
Be careful. Talk to a lawyer and an accountant about this kind of stuff, there are SOOOO many ways to get burned, and only a few ways to get paid this way.
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Great, now Loki is going to help those poor BSD guys fix the 'issues' that crop up when BSD does it's Linux twist. (I hesitate to call it emulation, BSD just twists the linux calls to something BSD can deal with, rather than actually 'emulating' a linux system. This is why there are NO performance hits running linux binaries on a BSD system)
What does this change? Now BSDers can get support for those linux games. Does it change anything for Loki? Probably not. Maybe a few more FAQs, but honestly, probably zero recode.
Good marketing, though
It's called Windows, you may have heard of it? It spreads in a most insideous fashion, by using truely awe inspiring social engineering techniques to quitely invest all PCs that must share documents between themselves...
The ultimate stealth virus. and people are even making money off it! One could argue that windows is not a virus because it is not self replicating, but I would say that it _is_ self replicating, just not via an electronic means.
Don't feel bad, about 99.999% of what I submit is rejected too. In fact, of the about 40 or 50 stories I have submited over the last 8 months, this is the ONLY one that made it.
Just keep whacking at it. eventualy the slashdenizins wake up and actually read what you post.
Okay okay, I know, it's the middle of NOWHERE. However, I have found that being in the middle of nowhere has some benifits. It is dirt cheap to live here. You can live like a king in Tulsa for less than 70k a year... And the main two companies in town? Williams and WorldCom. Talk about employment opportunities. Esp if you are more of a networking style geek vs a programing style geek (judging from some code I have seen, the two are not mutually exclusive, but only rarely ;> )
Asking 'how many hops to the backbone' is a sure sign of a total misunderstanding of how the Internet network works. It will mark you as being a total rube, ripe for fleecing. I could say "ZERO hops, the backbone runs right through the co-lo space" and _not_ be lying my pants off.
It would be smarter to simply insist on a service contract up-front which states the performance you expect from them,(X amount of bandwidth available to my server, X latency measured between Z and Y, and oh, I need a lock on my cage!) and how it will be measured (TTCP every other day, a basic ping, and only you and I know the combination!) and how many free months/day/weeks of service you get (or $$$) when they don't meet those performance numbers.(Your main co-lo link was down for 6 hours!!! That means I get a credit of $1200!)
Think about how small companies get telco's to do work for em? HIT EM IN THE POCKET BOOK when they fail/are late delivering service!
Depending on the depth of your pocket, Co-Lo ranges from an empty rack with a power cable and no network, to your own private room, with a lock on the door and multiple Gig-E feeds.
While IPv6 is supported in the linux kernel, I havn't seen too much work (yet) go into a full userland support
After looking at the sci amer article, did anyone else notice this thing is gonna be pumping out a lot of RF?
What an interesting way to be able to track a space craft! presumably you would be able to tell how well the engine is running by 'listening' to the 'sounds' it makes?
How cool!
How do you plan to keep the Haven's Access lines up in the face of unpredictable weather/cranky governments?
Have you negotiated some type of exclusive privledges for the countries that you must deal with in order to secure that access?
Will your company fight for or against the idea of 'International Online Law'? Something that would apply equaly to all online users, no matter what their physical location?
I have been enoying the ease of use with Roxen since 1996 or so... It has come a LONG LONG way since then... I think the 'coolest' thing about the web server was how it handled shell type scripts as CGI... pipeing a traceroute to the output for a web page actually resulted in roxen holding open the HTTP connection and 'streaming' the output to the browser, as opposed to apache, which buffered the output and then sent it as a page update...
People thought it was the coolest hack they had ever seen! (and they all though I was doing something cool with CGI baahahaha)
As usuall, we get some people who will automaticly slam anything that they don't know much about. So be it. Your opinion will be logged as being worthless, and your reputation for lacking intellectal honesty will haunt you forever...
Thanks alot apple, for planting the 'kiss of death' on BSD. By acknowledging it's superior attributes, you have managed to class it in the 'wierd technical things' class, while linux-based-os will become the 'Windows of Unix'...
And we all know what happened last time Steve tried to tout his technical superiority and ease of use over Bill...
Of course, when you sign up for a freenet6 account, it generates the config script for you...
:>
What 'current trend' are you citing?
You can get the same thing, with a warrenty for about the same price... It's called a 'Rio' :>
Picked mine up at an online auction site for about $50...
http://www.wantads.com
They always have a buttload of em.
Get real, even MICROSOFT has IPv6 support for windows! Why don't you do a little research before making such alarmist postings...
the BSDs already have a very good interface to IPv6, and I believe linux is putting it (like everything else) right into the kernel! so what's not to like.
for the record, I believe that the v6 'migration' will begin at the end of 2001, as all the carriers start putting in the new 'next-generation' terrabit/dwdm routing equipment. That is a big enough 'feature' upgrade to warrent doing a whole new network, and that would be the logical time to do the move to v6 for the backbone. It would then be a trivial matter to run the Public Network as a VPN, along with the Voice Network, and anything else you want to toss on it.
Should work fine, the real question I have is can it work with the GeeZ! Palm Software!
http://www.openqubit.org/index.shtml
Taco, you _DO_ know that your dish unit can control your VCR, AND can do the 'I want this show recorded bit' right?
Not as 'cool' as a TivO but probably just as effective, and certainly a heck of a lot cheaper.
This is not necessarily all that good OR bad of a thing... Consider...
In an 'open' market, supply and demand dictate price for any given unit of a particular commodity. This model works quite well where the commodity is limited (gold, silver, pork bellies), but not quite as well when the market can be 'dumped' on, at a regular basis. (hmm, Level 3 just lit up 10 new fibers, bandwidth just got cheap!)
which beggs the question: Will opening up bandwidth (of any type) to a commodity style of trading serve to 'chill' out the explosive growth of bandwidth appliances that we have seen to date?
After all, if I own the fiber, it is in my best interest to make it as expensive for you to use as possible!
Muhahahahahahaaaaa
Anyone notice how OLD this news is, FEB 17th!!!
This article has already been cross posted to death, and as usuall, Slashdot wrote the 'teaser' for this thing in such a way to inflame...
Maybe we should rename it to YelloDot?
If I felt that more newspaper articles were written to actually inform me of something I didn't know, I would probably buy them more often. Even with eye catching headlines, the vast majority of what I read is re-hashed, pre-digested, pre-judged drivel.
What happened to articles that delivered the facts of an event without also providing 'in depth analysis'? I don't need someone to explain a 'possible' why for someone's alleged crimes/behavior/success. If you don't know, DON'T PUBLISH THE ARTICLE UNTIL YOU DO!
Of course, and free unix system for intel has all the 'firewall' tools you need built in. don't pay an 'ignorance tax' to these people.
One way to solve this is to have a 'system descriptor' include file in your 'linux ports' system.
This would make the port skeleton look the same for all distros, but allow the system to define exactly where and how to put the results of the compile.
Throw in the 'registry' style tracking system you get with *BSD ports, and you get a good software maganment tool (not great, but good)
Your not wrong, but the bottom line is, it would/should be trivial to implement a package managment system based off the FreeBSD Ports system to encompass ALL linux distros.
:>
FreeBSD's ports system uses a basic system include file. If all the distros can agree to use the same system include for the locations of the relevent parts of thier distro, problem is solved.
Should be a no-brainer, if Linux companies will 'lower' themselves to taking something from FreeBSD.
MAKE SURE the company has registered the options with the SEC. If they havn't registered them, the only way you can use the option is to buy them, and hold them for a year.
(Got burned pretty bad on that, left my last company, went to cash out the options I had vested (Would have made for a down payment on a house or a new car) and turns out the turkeys never registered them! By the time they were finally registered, the company had finished bright sizing, and was worthless!)
Be careful. Talk to a lawyer and an accountant about this kind of stuff, there are SOOOO many ways to get burned, and only a few ways to get paid this way.
For those who want to see what PARC is working on now...
http://www.parc.xerox.com