But you still can't play Nintendo 64, Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, Wii U, or Xbox One games.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
So unless you plan to catch 'em all, you have to weigh a particular console's exclusives against the vast library of PC exclusives.
Why are you being such a Captain Obvious.
That is, unless The Unfinished Swan is an adequate substitute for Splatoon.
Not everyone has an interest in Splatoon, or vice-versa for the unfinished swan. Just because I have a PS3/PS4 doesn't mean I have to find the equivalent to Smash Bros for the PS3/PS4.
Now you can get a steam machine for $499 or find a deal on a gaming PC at or below price of consoles.
Still not quite as good as a Xbox One or PS4 at those prices.
Just hook it up to TV, get a controller, run steam Big Picture and enjoy access to same games as consoles,
Still not quite as good or easy to use as consoles. BPM is still Windows after all. And there are still console exclusives.
If there is future in console gaming, it's cheap boxes and hdmi sticks that can play casual games with a remote or do local network/cloud streaming of more demanding titles.
Hell, when my first-gen back-compatible PS3 died on me and I had to replace it with a non-back-compatible slim model,
Sony would have repaired your FAT CECH(A/B/E) PS3, no need to replace it with a Slim. I have a CECHE model that had issues (graphical glitches and lockups), sent it in, they fixed it, sent me back my same machine (exact same serial number)
Of course, we still have some PS3 exclusives that are essentially marooned; and that Cell architecture is going to render any kind of emulation, whether on general PCs or on current or future Sony console hardware, a bitch. That leaves some excellent games (the PS3-era Ratchet & Clank games were superb and a lot of Japan's output for the latter half of the last console cycle was PS3-exclusive) still stranded. But maybe this step from MS will put some pressure on Sony.
Yep, maybe this will encourage SCE to encourage more "remasters". Then again, they have PS Now.
Compare that with Sony, which actually removed the backwards compatibility feature through software updates.
No, they didn't. You're confusing OtherOS with backwards compatibility. Some people do that because of the Slim's, which never had PS2 compatibility or OtherOS support in the first place. PS3 capabilities depend on the model:
ALL PS3 systems can play PSone games. This is an entirely software solution. Put the disk in, it works. You do have to create a "virtual memory card" and assign it to a "virtual slot" in an XMB to save games. You can also buy a little PS1/PS2 memory card reader and transfer your old PS1 (and PS2) saves over.
SOME PS3 systems can play PS2 games. Those systems have actual PS2 hardware in them, which is one reason why the early PS3 was comparitively expensive. The compatibility level depends on the model. Here in the US the models with the best compatibility are the CECHA and CECHB launch models, AKA the 60GB Deluxe and 20GB Standard models. Both have BOTH the PS2's Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer.
The only other US PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility is the CECHE 80GB machines. (included in the Championship F1, Motorstorm and MGS4 bundles) They don't have an Emotion Engine, only the PS2's Graphics Synthesizer. Compatibility is somewhat reduced. Usually this just means graphical glitches and other issues with the games still playing, just not as well. The CECHE MGS4 bundle was the first to include the Dual Shock 3 by default instead of the Sixaxis.
In a CECHA, CECHB, CECHE, PS2 compatibility works like it always did. Put the disc in, create or copy over your PS2 save on a "virtual PS2 memory card" and you're good to go.
The CECHA, CECHB, and CECHE systems are the only US PS3's to also have SACD support. It's an easy way to check for PS2 compatibility of a used "Fat" PS3 if you can't see the model number. No SACD logo, no PS2 compatibility
You're missing the point in an attempt to gain some sort of illusory high ground.
I think you're misconstruing my point. What I'm saying is that the US doesn't fundamentally change, it just changes the tools it's using. You see it as one group losing all power, and I see it as the US as a whole just changing the tools it's using for a while.
After Pearl and 9/11 the US didn't turn into a military dictatorship, the civilian government just gave the OK to the military to do their thing and gave them the resources necessary to do so. The diplomats and politicians were still running things, they just sent their hounds out to teach a lesson. The toolset changed, because the country decided to switch it's toolset.
And where did I compare the US to Mexico or Sweden? I think you're reading some kind of nefarious intent where there isn't.
And another thing, Russia could have made it work, they had plenty of examples of making it work, but no, mafiya, kleptocracy and oligarchs. And they did it to themselves.
The USA is not perfect, as you said "shitshow", but we put people in federal prison for stuff that is considered expected and penny-ante in Russia and the Third World.
As such, the peace and diplomacy crew are often assumed to be the only faction in the US of relevance. Enemy powers get used to the dithering of this group when there are minor hostilities. But what happens when a major incursion happens is that these people lose all power. Literally all. They're dog food. And the often irrelevant hawks step into place...
I think of it less as "lose all power", than "authorizing a temporary grant of power" to the "General Ripper" and "The Blood Knights".
Think of the US as "The Federation", who is quite willing to be the Picard most of the time, but if they think you're a credible threat, then you discover that those "exploration cruisers" are actually heavily armed battleships.
They're so bad it takes game engines giving auto-aim assistance before thumbstickers can even begin to compete with people using a mouse.
There was only one game I'm aware of that had PC and console users playing an FPS together. And THAT was a Saturn game, so not really a fair comparison. (The saturn controller sucks) And it was a while ago, shooters weren't as common so fewer skilled players.
And for driving games a wheel is 100X better than a thumbstick.
Oh, I agree, but some people don't want to shell out money for whatever overpriced wheels are out there. That stopped me from buying any racing game after GT4, the games became too oriented towards wheel-users.
And for RTS, a keyboard and mouse are 100X better than a thumbstick and buttons.
Are you sure about that? Because the first ever RTS was a console game, Herzog Zwei. The genre originated on consoles. And there are several console ports of the games. in most of them you use the d-pad to control a pointer which isn't "that" different from a mouse. (with a button to enable fast movement) Some, depending on game/console have mouse support as well, but the games are playable without it.
I did pay full price, got the thing the 11.12.11, day after it launched. I wasn't pissed off, but a bit disappointed by the fragility. The game wasn't horrible enough to piss me off, it's a rare game that's done that to me....Saga Frontier I'm lookin at you.
(consoles are sold at a loss, PC components aren't)
The PS4 isn't sold at a loss.
PC components aren't) its cheaper over the long run as you save $10-20 on the purchase price of new games.
Not anymore. While PC releases used to be $10 cheaper, they aren't anymore same launch price on all platforms. Not even taking into account price of upgrades.
Yeah PC gaming is cheaper than it used to be, but it's still not quite as good bang for the buck as consoles.
A 760, 860 or 960 will blow away the GPU in the PS4.
There is no 860 anymore, and the 960 has fewer GPU cores than the PS4 does. The 760 is nice. but costs about $220 -230 by itself for the least expensive variants. It can go as high as over $500.
Who knew, obviously all those people using 'nix are doing so by fairy dust.
They might be gaming, but Nethack, Tux Racer, some indies and a rare mainstream title aren't Mass Effect, Witcher 3, Shadow of Mordor, WoW, TESO, STO, etc etc.
Greenmangaming use the promo codes listed on the site or via their reddit page, anywhere between 20-30% off depending. You seem to be rather but hurt that PC gamers can already pre-order it.
You might want to hold off on that pre-order there. That offering isn't on the up and up. Bethesda has NOT authorized pre-orders in the US yet, check their site. So if greenmangaming (based in the UK by the way) is offering it, they shouldn't be. You might want to read about this:
CD Projekt told gamers to NOT buy keys from greenmangaming.
And we know that greenmangaming is rather shady because they admitted that they "act against the tryanny of region restrictions" by reselling keys from foreign sources. You might find that key won't actually work.outside the region it was intended for, say Russia perhaps?
Really? Better let Blizzard know.
I didn't say "all", I said most. I'm surprised you support F2P considering the average PC gamer on Slashdot calls it Pay-to-win and so forth.
Yeah, there is such a thing.
Right, like Mario Teaches Typing (nintendo), Sim City (Maxis) and DOOM II (iD) is Abandonware. I don't think so. That site is pure piracy with the usual fake Euro-gamer jibber jabber justification. Their host isn't on the up and up either, they do some spam hosting.
Yeah that's pretty funny, perhaps you mean I already spend less money on games
That's not an apples to apples comparison there. You're comparing the price of the Steam digital download to the PS3 retail box of the complete edition (which was a limited release). And I'm checking the price on Amazon myself and it's showing $29.99 for the price for both the Steam edition and the non steam download. So either that was a one day sale, or you're using a different Amazon location, or the screenshot is fake.
The cheapest way to get the game on the PS3 is to buy the retail disc version $9, and pick up the Rockstar Pass DLC via PSN. Or if you're lucky you might find the complete disc edition at a brick and mortar retailer for $20. Maximin (the retailer selling it's 4 copies of the complete edition for PS3) is price-gouging.
If we just got rid of Sally Mea and college loans need to be secured with some kind of collateral or simply small enough lender were willing to fork over on credit history alone, the problem would solve it self.
Sure that sounds good, but doing that would keep even more lower income people away from college. They don't have collateral or a credit history and their parents don't have those things either.
For some reason, I don't know the gory details, running on 3 or more cores causes hard locks or crash-to-desktop every 15 minutes or so. With that out of the way, it's pretty well behaved.
I actually have the PC version as well (to compare it to the PS3 version), didn't crash for me on a quad core, but I was having issues with VATS with the game being VERY slow, going into VATS, doing things in vats and exiting VATS. Same behavior in both Windows and Wine under Linux.
It's a pity, they know how to build an open world RPG that's great fun; but they really phone it in on QA.
You can say that again, quoted for truth. Fallout 3 is my favorite game on the PS3, got the platinum trophy. I'm looking forward to F4 on the PS4, but god I hope they improve their QA.
Hey dude, it was hairyfeet that claimed that a Phenom could match a PS4, not me. I'm refuting the guy. And I'm rocking DDR3 PC3-10600 with that Phenom II X4 925.
I can also back up all my saved games, and I don't require an always-on Internet connection for most single player stuff.
So can I, that's how PSN works. Why did you think single player games require an always on connection? Besides, there are PC games, like Diablo 3 that require a connection for singleplayer when the console version doesn't.
My PC has 32 gigs of memory.
Check the steam stats and you'll see that most PC gaming is done on machines that aren't as capable as a PS4 or Xbox1. You are not the norm of PC gaming.
Well, consoles have a 0% piracy rate... and look how much it costs to buy a game,
$59.99? Which, taking inflation in account is less than Atari 2600 games? Not only that but modern games have MUCh more content. You're being an overly entitled whiner.
PC master race builds from reddit of all places? and those builds still don't take into account the GDDR5 RAM and fast internal busses of the PS4. Yes, it matters. And they don't include the OS, which for gaming, has to be windows. Sure there's a few Linux releases but almost all big releases are Windows only and you know it.
Yeah, since we know that console piracy is rampant,
Not in the US it isn't. Are you from Europe/BRIC or the second or third world?
and we can buy exactly the same games at half the price.
What? Did you miss the FO4 announcement, where consoles will be paying $59.99-79.99, and PC gamers can already get it at $40 or there about.
Citation needed. Pre-orders are not available in the US so we have no official prices. Canada shows the PC/PS4/XB1 versions at the same price. and PC gamers can't "already get it" the game isn't even released yet.
Well, I guess the hundreds of free games on the PC are worthless then
Most F2P crap IS worthless.
and of course we can't forget the wide amount of emulation either,
You mean Piracy.
or thousands of abandonware titles out there.
No such thing..."Someone" still owns the copyright, even if they aren't enforcing it. It's still piracy.
and likely going to be getting another credit card next week(just a guess), since Sony's security is at 1999 levels
This $470 dollar pc would blow your console out of the water.
Not with a 750 it won't. Up that to a 970 and then you're talking, but then it wouldn't cost $472. It also doesn't have GDDR5 Main RAM, or the PS4's fast internal busses, and yes that matters.
every single one of them paid for. I do not download video games from torrents,
"YOU" do, but a good portion of the PC Master Race doesn't and even brag about how little they spend.
So you pay in perpetuity for your games, ohh how do I sign up for that. I want to give them money for outdated POS games over and over again.
It's $49.95 a year, less than the cost of one game. And here is the master list of "Instant Game Collection" games:
Besides, PC gamers like you Brag about all the old outdated games they can play from GOG
That said. I do have a GOG account, and a STEAM account, but I'm primarily a console gamer, playing PC games but rarely, and don't identify as a PC gamer. I think Consoles are a better platform to game on for the most part. Consoles for gaming also means no Windows.
How many times have we seen on Slashdot and other sites, PC gamers saying stuff like: "Yeah I'm cheap I buy one game a year and mod it." ESPECIALLY the Europeans.
It doesn't come with a stack of crappy free games,
but then again, it has real sales where you can get great games for very cheap.
So does PSN, but basement dwelling PC gamers don't know that. To be fair you don't use it, how could you know? But if I know about Steam then at least you PC gamer ignoramuses could at least unlearn the misconceptoins.
Problem is, I bought Fallout 3, and I wouldn't trust them with a PC game, either. Fallout 3 is actually a bigger, buggier piece of shit than Skyrim. It's got way more hang and CtD bugs.
Oh? I'd heard that F3 was buggier on PC than it was on the PS3 (and it was bit buggy till the last patch they did on the PS3) For Skyrim it seems it is the other way around. I've had a better experience with F3 on the PS3 than Skyrim
The latest bug I've seen on Skyrim? Killed a dragon just outside a cave, absorbed it's soul, it turned to bones as usual. Entered cave did some stuff, came back out and Dragon was fleshy again. It was still dead and all with the empty inventory I left it with, but fleshy and not bones.
I got hit with that Amulet of Talos bug you get if you pick up his amulet off his body at the execution BEFORE you talk to his wife. Of course being a Bethesda game, one's first instinct is to loot corpses.
I do touch Bethesda on console, I run Linux on the PC, and prefer console for gaming, but I sure wish they'd improve their QA and bring it up to the quality of other dev houses.
I wonder if Bethesda should have handed over the porting of F3 and Skyrim to 4J like they did with Oblivion, instead of porting in-house. Because for me in terms of bugs and whatnot from least to most it's:
Oblivion>F3>Skyrim>NV (yeah not a Bethesda game but it uses the F3 engine)
Though the last F3 patch fixed most of the F3 bugs except lockups. the last skyrim patch seems to have helped too, but not as much as for F3. I also think that "age" of the PS3 matters. I had a glitchy CECHE PS3 (texture glitching and stretching of polygons among other things, probably the solder needed fixing) and Bethesda games had less issues once I got it fixed. Skyrim used to lockup all the time before the repair, and now it doesn't.
NV on the other hand, is worse than F3 and Skyrim, at least for me.
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But you still can't play Nintendo 64, Dreamcast, GameCube, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, Wii U, or Xbox One games.
Thank you Captain Obvious.
So unless you plan to catch 'em all, you have to weigh a particular console's exclusives against the vast library of PC exclusives.
Why are you being such a Captain Obvious.
That is, unless The Unfinished Swan is an adequate substitute for Splatoon.
Not everyone has an interest in Splatoon, or vice-versa for the unfinished swan. Just because I have a PS3/PS4 doesn't mean I have to find the equivalent to Smash Bros for the PS3/PS4.
Now you can get a steam machine for $499 or find a deal on a gaming PC at or below price of consoles.
Still not quite as good as a Xbox One or PS4 at those prices.
Just hook it up to TV, get a controller, run steam Big Picture and enjoy access to same games as consoles,
Still not quite as good or easy to use as consoles. BPM is still Windows after all. And there are still console exclusives.
If there is future in console gaming, it's cheap boxes and hdmi sticks that can play casual games with a remote or do local network/cloud streaming of more demanding titles.
You mean this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
which can use this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Still not quite as good an experience as actually running an intensive game on local hardware.
As for openness and compatibility, at least Microsoft allows you to use standard usb sticks for storage.
So does the PS4, FAT and EXFAT both supported, why did you think it doesn't?
Hell, when my first-gen back-compatible PS3 died on me and I had to replace it with a non-back-compatible slim model,
Sony would have repaired your FAT CECH(A/B/E) PS3, no need to replace it with a Slim. I have a CECHE model that had issues (graphical glitches and lockups), sent it in, they fixed it, sent me back my same machine (exact same serial number)
Of course, we still have some PS3 exclusives that are essentially marooned; and that Cell architecture is going to render any kind of emulation, whether on general PCs or on current or future Sony console hardware, a bitch. That leaves some excellent games (the PS3-era Ratchet & Clank games were superb and a lot of Japan's output for the latter half of the last console cycle was PS3-exclusive) still stranded. But maybe this step from MS will put some pressure on Sony.
Yep, maybe this will encourage SCE to encourage more "remasters". Then again, they have PS Now.
Compare that with Sony, which actually removed the backwards compatibility feature through software updates.
No, they didn't. You're confusing OtherOS with backwards compatibility. Some people do that because of the Slim's, which never had PS2 compatibility or OtherOS support in the first place. PS3 capabilities depend on the model:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
ALL PS3 systems can play PSone games. This is an entirely software solution. Put the disk in, it works. You do have to create a "virtual memory card" and assign it to a "virtual slot" in an XMB to save games. You can also buy a little PS1/PS2 memory card reader and transfer your old PS1 (and PS2) saves over.
SOME PS3 systems can play PS2 games. Those systems have actual PS2 hardware in them, which is one reason why the early PS3 was comparitively expensive. The compatibility level depends on the model. Here in the US the models with the best compatibility are the CECHA and CECHB launch models, AKA the 60GB Deluxe and 20GB Standard models. Both have BOTH the PS2's Emotion Engine and Graphics Synthesizer.
The only other US PS3 with PS2 backwards compatibility is the CECHE 80GB machines. (included in the Championship F1, Motorstorm and MGS4 bundles) They don't have an Emotion Engine, only the PS2's Graphics Synthesizer. Compatibility is somewhat reduced. Usually this just means graphical glitches and other issues with the games still playing, just not as well. The CECHE MGS4 bundle was the first to include the Dual Shock 3 by default instead of the Sixaxis.
In a CECHA, CECHB, CECHE, PS2 compatibility works like it always did. Put the disc in, create or copy over your PS2 save on a "virtual PS2 memory card" and you're good to go.
The CECHA, CECHB, and CECHE systems are the only US PS3's to also have SACD support. It's an easy way to check for PS2 compatibility of a used "Fat" PS3 if you can't see the model number. No SACD logo, no PS2 compatibility
You're missing the point in an attempt to gain some sort of illusory high ground.
I think you're misconstruing my point. What I'm saying is that the US doesn't fundamentally change, it just changes the tools it's using. You see it as one group losing all power, and I see it as the US as a whole just changing the tools it's using for a while.
After Pearl and 9/11 the US didn't turn into a military dictatorship, the civilian government just gave the OK to the military to do their thing and gave them the resources necessary to do so. The diplomats and politicians were still running things, they just sent their hounds out to teach a lesson. The toolset changed, because the country decided to switch it's toolset.
And where did I compare the US to Mexico or Sweden? I think you're reading some kind of nefarious intent where there isn't.
No, their failures are their own. Denying this is merely self delusion.
Why do you think I'm disagreeing with you? I said "They did it to themselves" which is EXACTLY THE SAME as "Their Failures are their own"
And another thing, Russia could have made it work, they had plenty of examples of making it work, but no, mafiya, kleptocracy and oligarchs. And they did it to themselves.
The USA is not perfect, as you said "shitshow", but we put people in federal prison for stuff that is considered expected and penny-ante in Russia and the Third World.
As such, the peace and diplomacy crew are often assumed to be the only faction in the US of relevance. Enemy powers get used to the dithering of this group when there are minor hostilities. But what happens when a major incursion happens is that these people lose all power. Literally all. They're dog food. And the often irrelevant hawks step into place...
I think of it less as "lose all power", than "authorizing a temporary grant of power" to the "General Ripper" and "The Blood Knights".
Think of the US as "The Federation", who is quite willing to be the Picard most of the time, but if they think you're a credible threat, then you discover that those "exploration cruisers" are actually heavily armed battleships.
Standard PC wheels don't work on the PS4? That's surprising since standard PC HOTAS do in War Thunder.
They're so bad it takes game engines giving auto-aim assistance before thumbstickers can even begin to compete with people using a mouse.
There was only one game I'm aware of that had PC and console users playing an FPS together. And THAT was a Saturn game, so not really a fair comparison. (The saturn controller sucks) And it was a while ago, shooters weren't as common so fewer skilled players.
And for driving games a wheel is 100X better than a thumbstick.
Oh, I agree, but some people don't want to shell out money for whatever overpriced wheels are out there. That stopped me from buying any racing game after GT4, the games became too oriented towards wheel-users.
And for RTS, a keyboard and mouse are 100X better than a thumbstick and buttons.
Are you sure about that? Because the first ever RTS was a console game, Herzog Zwei. The genre originated on consoles. And there are several console ports of the games. in most of them you use the d-pad to control a pointer which isn't "that" different from a mouse. (with a button to enable fast movement) Some, depending on game/console have mouse support as well, but the games are playable without it.
Red Alert on the PSone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Warzone 2100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Dune 2000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Warcraft II on the PSone:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Starcraft 64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
It's time to let thumbsticks die.
European Master-race type? Analog movement is a good thing, you should try it sometime.
I did pay full price, got the thing the 11.12.11, day after it launched. I wasn't pissed off, but a bit disappointed by the fragility. The game wasn't horrible enough to piss me off, it's a rare game that's done that to me....Saga Frontier I'm lookin at you.
(consoles are sold at a loss, PC components aren't)
The PS4 isn't sold at a loss.
PC components aren't) its cheaper over the long run as you save $10-20 on the purchase price of new games.
Not anymore. While PC releases used to be $10 cheaper, they aren't anymore same launch price on all platforms. Not even taking into account price of upgrades.
Yeah PC gaming is cheaper than it used to be, but it's still not quite as good bang for the buck as consoles.
A 760, 860 or 960 will blow away the GPU in the PS4.
There is no 860 anymore, and the 960 has fewer GPU cores than the PS4 does. The 760 is nice. but costs about $220 -230 by itself for the least expensive variants. It can go as high as over $500.
Who knew, obviously all those people using 'nix are doing so by fairy dust.
They might be gaming, but Nethack, Tux Racer, some indies and a rare mainstream title aren't Mass Effect, Witcher 3, Shadow of Mordor, WoW, TESO, STO, etc etc.
Greenmangaming use the promo codes listed on the site or via their reddit page, anywhere between 20-30% off depending. You seem to be rather but hurt that PC gamers can already pre-order it.
You might want to hold off on that pre-order there. That offering isn't on the up and up. Bethesda has NOT authorized pre-orders in the US yet, check their site. So if greenmangaming (based in the UK by the way) is offering it, they shouldn't be. You might want to read about this:
http://www.pcgamer.com/witcher...
http://www.pcgamer.com/green-m...
CD Projekt told gamers to NOT buy keys from greenmangaming.
And we know that greenmangaming is rather shady because they admitted that they "act against the tryanny of region restrictions" by reselling keys from foreign sources. You might find that key won't actually work.outside the region it was intended for, say Russia perhaps?
Really? Better let Blizzard know.
I didn't say "all", I said most. I'm surprised you support F2P considering the average PC gamer on Slashdot calls it Pay-to-win and so forth.
Yeah, there is such a thing.
Right, like Mario Teaches Typing (nintendo), Sim City (Maxis) and DOOM II (iD) is Abandonware. I don't think so. That site is pure piracy with the usual fake Euro-gamer jibber jabber justification. Their host isn't on the up and up either, they do some spam hosting.
Yeah that's pretty funny, perhaps you mean I already spend less money on games
That's not an apples to apples comparison there. You're comparing the price of the Steam digital download to the PS3 retail box of the complete edition (which was a limited release). And I'm checking the price on Amazon myself and it's showing $29.99 for the price for both the Steam edition and the non steam download. So either that was a one day sale, or you're using a different Amazon location, or the screenshot is fake.
The cheapest way to get the game on the PS3 is to buy the retail disc version $9, and pick up the Rockstar Pass DLC via PSN. Or if you're lucky you might find the complete disc edition at a brick and mortar retailer for $20. Maximin (the retailer selling it's 4 copies of the complete edition for PS3) is price-gouging.
So only kids with trust funds can study philosophy or art and get to be a museum curator or somesuch?
If we just got rid of Sally Mea and college loans need to be secured with some kind of collateral or simply small enough lender were willing to fork over on credit history alone, the problem would solve it self.
Sure that sounds good, but doing that would keep even more lower income people away from college. They don't have collateral or a credit history and their parents don't have those things either.
For some reason, I don't know the gory details, running on 3 or more cores causes hard locks or crash-to-desktop every 15 minutes or so. With that out of the way, it's pretty well behaved.
I actually have the PC version as well (to compare it to the PS3 version), didn't crash for me on a quad core, but I was having issues with VATS with the game being VERY slow, going into VATS, doing things in vats and exiting VATS. Same behavior in both Windows and Wine under Linux.
It's a pity, they know how to build an open world RPG that's great fun; but they really phone it in on QA.
You can say that again, quoted for truth. Fallout 3 is my favorite game on the PS3, got the platinum trophy. I'm looking forward to F4 on the PS4, but god I hope they improve their QA.
Hey dude, it was hairyfeet that claimed that a Phenom could match a PS4, not me. I'm refuting the guy. And I'm rocking DDR3 PC3-10600 with that Phenom II X4 925.
I can also back up all my saved games, and I don't require an always-on Internet connection for most single player stuff.
So can I, that's how PSN works. Why did you think single player games require an always on connection? Besides, there are PC games, like Diablo 3 that require a connection for singleplayer when the console version doesn't.
My PC has 32 gigs of memory.
Check the steam stats and you'll see that most PC gaming is done on machines that aren't as capable as a PS4 or Xbox1. You are not the norm of PC gaming.
Well, consoles have a 0% piracy rate... and look how much it costs to buy a game,
$59.99? Which, taking inflation in account is less than Atari 2600 games? Not only that but modern games have MUCh more content. You're being an overly entitled whiner.
PC master race builds from reddit of all places? and those builds still don't take into account the GDDR5 RAM and fast internal busses of the PS4. Yes, it matters. And they don't include the OS, which for gaming, has to be windows. Sure there's a few Linux releases but almost all big releases are Windows only and you know it.
Yeah, since we know that console piracy is rampant,
Not in the US it isn't. Are you from Europe/BRIC or the second or third world?
and we can buy exactly the same games at half the price.
What? Did you miss the FO4 announcement, where consoles will be paying $59.99-79.99, and PC gamers can already get it at $40 or there about.
Citation needed. Pre-orders are not available in the US so we have no official prices. Canada shows the PC/PS4/XB1 versions at the same price. and PC gamers can't "already get it" the game isn't even released yet.
Well, I guess the hundreds of free games on the PC are worthless then
Most F2P crap IS worthless.
and of course we can't forget the wide amount of emulation either,
You mean Piracy.
or thousands of abandonware titles out there.
No such thing..."Someone" still owns the copyright, even if they aren't enforcing it. It's still piracy.
and likely going to be getting another credit card next week(just a guess), since Sony's security is at 1999 levels
I could say the same about Valve:
http://www.1up.com/news/year-s...
but I guess if you have to spend 8 minutes searching for legal free games, that's too difficult.
Maybe you should spend less money on hardware, then maybe you could actually...buy games.
This $470 dollar pc would blow your console out of the water.
Not with a 750 it won't. Up that to a 970 and then you're talking, but then it wouldn't cost $472. It also doesn't have GDDR5 Main RAM, or the PS4's fast internal busses, and yes that matters.
every single one of them paid for. I do not download video games from torrents,
"YOU" do, but a good portion of the PC Master Race doesn't and even brag about how little they spend.
So you pay in perpetuity for your games, ohh how do I sign up for that. I want to give them money for outdated POS games over and over again.
It's $49.95 a year, less than the cost of one game. And here is the master list of "Instant Game Collection" games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
Besides, PC gamers like you Brag about all the old outdated games they can play from GOG
That said. I do have a GOG account, and a STEAM account, but I'm primarily a console gamer, playing PC games but rarely, and don't identify as a PC gamer. I think Consoles are a better platform to game on for the most part. Consoles for gaming also means no Windows.
Modding has nothing to do with being cheap.
How many times have we seen on Slashdot and other sites, PC gamers saying stuff like: "Yeah I'm cheap I buy one game a year and mod it." ESPECIALLY the Europeans.
It doesn't come with a stack of crappy free games,
This is the master list of those games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
but then again, it has real sales where you can get great games for very cheap.
So does PSN, but basement dwelling PC gamers don't know that. To be fair you don't use it, how could you know? But if I know about Steam then at least you PC gamer ignoramuses could at least unlearn the misconceptoins.
Problem is, I bought Fallout 3, and I wouldn't trust them with a PC game, either. Fallout 3 is actually a bigger, buggier piece of shit than Skyrim. It's got way more hang and CtD bugs.
Oh? I'd heard that F3 was buggier on PC than it was on the PS3 (and it was bit buggy till the last patch they did on the PS3) For Skyrim it seems it is the other way around. I've had a better experience with F3 on the PS3 than Skyrim
The latest bug I've seen on Skyrim? Killed a dragon just outside a cave, absorbed it's soul, it turned to bones as usual. Entered cave did some stuff, came back out and Dragon was fleshy again. It was still dead and all with the empty inventory I left it with, but fleshy and not bones.
I got hit with that Amulet of Talos bug you get if you pick up his amulet off his body at the execution BEFORE you talk to his wife. Of course being a Bethesda game, one's first instinct is to loot corpses.
I do touch Bethesda on console, I run Linux on the PC, and prefer console for gaming, but I sure wish they'd improve their QA and bring it up to the quality of other dev houses.
I wonder if Bethesda should have handed over the porting of F3 and Skyrim to 4J like they did with Oblivion, instead of porting in-house. Because for me in terms of bugs and whatnot from least to most it's:
Oblivion>F3>Skyrim>NV (yeah not a Bethesda game but it uses the F3 engine)
Though the last F3 patch fixed most of the F3 bugs except lockups. the last skyrim patch seems to have helped too, but not as much as for F3. I also think that "age" of the PS3 matters. I had a glitchy CECHE PS3 (texture glitching and stretching of polygons among other things, probably the solder needed fixing) and Bethesda games had less issues once I got it fixed. Skyrim used to lockup all the time before the repair, and now it doesn't.
NV on the other hand, is worse than F3 and Skyrim, at least for me.