If you're in the US, what you want is a CECHA/CECHB/CECHE FAT model PS3. Those will play the PS2 discs, and you can use a DualShock4 with them.
The easiest way to identify the CECHA/CECHE models is the chrome, 4 USB ports and the built in card reader under the flip up door.
You can even buy a gizmo that lets the PS3 read your PS2 memory cards so you can transfer your PS2 (and PS1) saves to the virtual internal cards on the PS3.
Caveats:
The CECHB model doesn't have WiFi, only Ethernet. The CECHE's PS2 compatibility isn't quite as good as the CECHA/CECHB's, those have the full PS2 EE/GS chipset included, while the CECHE only has the GS. CECHA/CECHB's have smaller hard drives by default. 60GB/20GB respectively CECHE's come with 80GB drives
And considering how easy it is to find a used/refurbished PSone/PS2/PS3 that can play ALL the Psone games. Heck, you might even find new PS3's still in some stores.
Heck, even a PSP, Vita, or PStv would let you play more PSone games.
Wasn't there a port of Diablo 1 to the PSX available as well?
Yes, but it isn't even on PSN. I figured someone would get around to bringing it to PSN to celebrate the Anniversary, but no. Probably because the rights are murky since the console port was done by Climax Entertainment under contract to Virgin, and the game was originally published by Electronic Arts.
And for those who wonder how it plays, it pretty much plays like all the Diablo clones it inspired on the PS2. Just turn on combo buttons, and use "Relative" controls.
I have been playing the past few months with wine staging just fine
wine-staging = bleeding edge and I'm on Fedora, no wine-staging in the repos so that means I'd have to compile up a bleeding edge wine and wine support packages, like I said. Yes, I "could" do it, but it would be annoying and Steam Play with STO works out-of-the-box with no hassle.
I want my gaming to be as no-hassle and no-Windows as possible, which is why I'm primarily a Console gamer. STO was one of the few PC games I ever ran, back when it first went F2P and was still PC only back then.
When STO went free to play, I started playing it on Linux. (though I was hoping for an eventual PS3/PS4 version). It performed okay, but as time went on, the performance suffered. And then Cryptic did a major update which pretty much prevented STO from running on Wine unless you compiled a bleeding edge wine install and engaged in the usual travails of getting it to work. I basically had to quit the game as a Captain 35.
I installed it via steamplay on my Fedora machine and it "just worked", though I have been spoiled by the PS4 versions faster pace, improved UI, "gambit" system, and movement/camera controls. Just ran through a mission, did a space encounter, and gained a couple of levels. Seems to be okay. At least now I'll be able to order me up a 3D printed version of my ship, PS4 version doesn't have that feature. We'd have to go the website to get a generic ship, instead of one with the name/colors/parts.
because a Linux binary is native to the Operating system, which is at a lower level than being native to the desktop environment. QT and GTK apps on a Linux system are both Linux native applications, Wine apps, are not.
Do you really think I didn't check the ARRL before writing that? I could take the test closer though. It does surprise me that there aren't any classes/tests in the nearest college town. And bog knows what the local repeater situation is, I've only done a quick check but have seen only one listed and it appears to be offline.
So I'm rather disinclined to join the hobby for those and other reasons.
Why yes, but the US population is much higher than it was in 1914 when the ARRL was founded. 92 million or so versus over 308 million, So it's going to be higher, but what matters is the percentage. there's what, 752000 or so? That's not even 1 percent of the US population. How many of those are truly active and not people who've given up on the hobby due to age/money/time.
Sure the influx of cheap chinese equipment has helped...heck I've thought about picking up one of those 2 meter handhelds just to see what the Slashdot hams talk about. But there are ZERO license classes within 50 miles.
I can google and see a ton of blog posts and articles from hams saying how there's less activity and talking about how their friends are going "silent key" more and more.
The Hobby of Ham Radio is not a healthy one, maybe the ARRL needs to get more class sites and test sites out there. And it doesn't help the disdain some hams have for new people or for people who aren't one of those more affluent hams who can blow thousands of dollars on gear. Would you be one of those showing disdain for a new ham with one of those Baofeng BF-F8HP's
20 percent of last years graduating class had Amateur tickets.
Graduating class? "What" graduating class. Ham radio doesn't have a "Graduating class" Do you mean new or upgrade licenses?
And why focus on the Amateur tickets, that's the highest level isn't it? Isn't the Technician license the one new hams would get?
And the ARRL itself says numbers are a problem, sure there's been some increase in new hams but the number of licenses going away via expiration or "Silent keys" is also going up.
Despite the optimistic influx of 32,196 newcomers last year, the net growth of 5,349 â" about 0.72% over December 2016 â" reflects some 27,000 expired or cancelled licenses in the FCC database over the past year. In making the case for changes to the entry-level license, the ARRL Boardâ(TM)s Entry-Level License Committee referred to âoethe large number of Baby Boomers (roughly born 1945 â" 65) [who] will soon be aging off the licensee rolls.â The committee predicted the likelihood of âoea significant decline in the number of hams, unless we take steps to reverse it.â
And I guess the hams on slashdot/websites/forums saying the hobby is graying and declining are wrong? I know someone who goes to Hamvention and has said themselves that the hobby is aging and in decline.
Problem is, here in Ontario the "jump" in the minimum wage cause nearly 70k people to lose their jobs at the start of the year as employers were unable to afford it.
The employers lie, business people lie, plutocrats lie about how the minimum wage is so horrible and make all sorts of untrue claims about it.
We know that in the states when the minimum wage goes up, the economy improves... EVERY TIME. It's one of the easiest ways to boost the economy. Now sure, the business people you identify with will lie and claim it will hurt them...but their employees having money helps them becuase it's a Trickle UP economy.
Helping the people on the lowest end of the socioeconomic scale helps the ones at the top. Even more than if money was just thrown at just the top.
The province has lost nearly 300k middle class jobs in the last 7 years.
Whose fault is that? CEO's, CFO's, investors and whatnot telling companies to shift jobs overseas! It's white guys in suits and ties, not illegals.
And why do they do that, because guys to guys like you the #1 consideration on buying things is how low the price can go. You and society want's the cheapest stuff possible... so they shift jobs overseas to take advantage of the labor differential.
They're screwing YOU and screwing the foreign labor too. The only people who win are investment bankers, CEO's and CFO's and other plutocrats.
You are implying that the illegals are getting benefits... such a supposition does not jibe with them actually doing the work that we both know they do. I have seen newspaper articles here in the states about illegals who paid into the various tax systems AS illegals using fake id's and whatnot.
And I have seen articles saying that the illegals paying in (and not receiving) are helping prop up systems such as Social Security, since our population growth is coming from immigration.
So again, why focus on the immigrants and not the employers?
how do they compete against someone when a company can import the labor for 1/2 the going rate. Or illegally pay under the table 1/4 the wage. They can't.
So the problem is the businesses and wall street, but nowhere do I see in your reply that business owners should be punished....only the immigrants themselves. You know, the people trying to make a better life for themselves who are being exploited by plutocrats.
Even at that, those service jobs in restaurants and hotels were never meant to be a long-term job, but a stepping stone to a better one.
Really? And which jobs are those? Businesses need more "Indians" than "Chiefs" how many managers does a hotel or restaurant need compared to how many people they need doing the HARDEST work. If your logic was true, the military would be all officers, but it isn't, is it? Somebody has to do the actual work. We live in a finite society and world, we can't all be middle managers. The problem is that we as a society, even if we need things like produce-pickers, busboys, and maids, don't value that work. Why shouldn't someone who is a maid make enough money to buy a small house? Why shouldn't a produce-picker be able to live a comfortable life and be able to have nice things. They work HARD, it might not be as intellectual as code work, but they work their asses off.
TFWs, H2B's, and all the flavors it's all wage depression.
so was the outsourcing of the US's manufacturing jobs in the 70's, but I don't recall ever seeing you complain about that other than perhaps calling rust belt factory workers stupid for not seeing the way things were going and becoming coders or something.
Well dear boy, look north to Canada where those illegals with a mere "36,000" of them broke the welfare systems of Ontario and Quebec in a matter of months.
National post? isn't that like the Canadian equivalent of the uber-capitalist-uber-right National Review here in the states? Don't you think that site might not be un-biased on such things?
I'm all for "legal" but limited immigration, which is the way my ancestors
The USA didn't HAVE immigration laws till the 1920's (except for Asians)
But... did your ancestors apply for asylum and get green cards from the Sioux, Cherokee, Miami, Mohawks, etc etc. Or did they just move in and shoot any of them who objected or got in the way or who even were living on land granted to them...that somebody found gold on.
30 million? I don't think that's an accurate number.
And suppose we stop all immigration and kick all the illegals out. So who's going to replace all those jobs the illegals did? Who's going to replace all those payments into the Social Security system because the US population will start dropping.
Why don't you focus on the BUSINESSES that caused the problem by not paying living fair wages. Who do you think the maids, busboys, vegetable pickers and whatnot were before Latinos? What we have now is basically Plutocrats exploiting ANOTHER minority.
Ham radio is a fairly common interest amongst older transfolk. And Cessna's amongst those with more money. And of course model railroading and trains in general. Linux and anime amongst younger ones. The ones who are transitioning young will probably have more tradtionally-gendered interests.
I used to call a bunch of upper-class crossdressers in a support group I was in "The Cessna's and Sailboats crowd"
I understand that ham radio buffs tend to be older-bearded-ex-military-janes-reading-model-railroading-tabletop-wargaming-cessna owning sort of guys...but did you have to engage in casual homophobia?
After all, hams complain about their declining numbers, do you think that contributing to the stereotype of hams being right-wing bigoted jerks is going to encourage new blood....well except amongst the younger versions of guys like you of course.
Not even taking into account that the earliest users of the internet were bearded unix geeks, basically just like you, only doing computers more than radio and perhaps slighty less into Janes and wargaming.
I figured you'd latch on to this, you are so predictable.
Did you see the update where it was discovered that it was someone trying to sell a second hand game as New? No? This is why I constantly tell you to keep your info current and don't fall into the trap of locking yourself into your axes-to-grind.
The defense budget is a fraction the size of social services mostly which goes to fund deadbeats.
The big ticket entitlements are Social Security and Medicare, which supports those deadbeats known as Grandma and Grandpa and the deadbeat that is your cousin with Down Syndrome.
In general, the vast majority of those receiving government assistance are either: Elderly, disabled or children.
Such deadbeat parasites. Maybe we should just kill the lousy parasites and we can build a city where the great would not be constrained by the small...Rapture.
stop the foreign aliens coming in and abusing our welfare services.
The foreign aliens working their asses off in poultry processing factories in Arkansas? Or picking lettuce in California? Running small gardening/handyman/home fix-up services out of pick-up truck at Lowe's? Slaving away in restaurants and hotels and not getting paid fair wages because their employers threaten them?
I'm in favor of single _payer_, e.g. the gov't pays but otherwise stays out of things.
Yep, in general that's what I'd like to see.
At some point I think we have to admit that capitalism as we idolize it just plain doesn't work.
I think it only worked as well as it did post WW2 is that the plutocrats had sons serving along side the sons of impoverished people and sharing stories. And of course the plutocrats knowing that the kids who had been living in tenements before the war might not want to go back to them after seeing Paris. Not to mention the "We are all in this together" attitude the country had during and after the war.
So the plutocrats had a stronger sense of noblesse oblige and "shared the wealth"
Vietnam ended that, the kids of the plutocrats had their college deferments. (Plays Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival) And so what bonds that had existed in the past between the sons of the plutocrats and the sons of the poor serving together...vanished.
Related changes in society is why "lodges" aren't much of a thing anymore.
mm...well, it was that way for me, most everyone I know, and for people in ages back before us.
We decided as a society that some of the things that went on in the past, were wrong.
Hell, a good example of this no consequences thing, is the increasing deadbeat or deserter dads in many communities.
There is no increase, in fact it's been declining for years. Highest in the 70's and 80's. And I'm rather sure this is a subtle racist dog whistle, since "deadbeat dads" has been used as such before.
In the past, there were consequences society put on fathers that abandoned their kids and responsibilities...now, not so much and look what has happened!
In the past it was EASY for fathers to get away, back say in the Great Depression, fathers could just skip out. And they skipped out a LOT. Social Security numbers? Not a thing. Photo ID's? Not a thing. Now we have computers and such, they are easier to track. We actually garnish wages and put people on trial for non-support. There are more penalties now than ever.
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If you're in the US, what you want is a CECHA/CECHB/CECHE FAT model PS3. Those will play the PS2 discs, and you can use a DualShock4 with them.
The easiest way to identify the CECHA/CECHE models is the chrome, 4 USB ports and the built in card reader under the flip up door.
You can even buy a gizmo that lets the PS3 read your PS2 memory cards so you can transfer your PS2 (and PS1) saves to the virtual internal cards on the PS3.
Caveats:
The CECHB model doesn't have WiFi, only Ethernet.
The CECHE's PS2 compatibility isn't quite as good as the CECHA/CECHB's, those have the full PS2 EE/GS chipset included, while the CECHE only has the GS.
CECHA/CECHB's have smaller hard drives by default. 60GB/20GB respectively
CECHE's come with 80GB drives
And considering how easy it is to find a used/refurbished PSone/PS2/PS3 that can play ALL the Psone games. Heck, you might even find new PS3's still in some stores.
Heck, even a PSP, Vita, or PStv would let you play more PSone games.
Wasn't there a port of Diablo 1 to the PSX available as well?
Yes, but it isn't even on PSN. I figured someone would get around to bringing it to PSN to celebrate the Anniversary, but no. Probably because the rights are murky since the console port was done by Climax Entertainment under contract to Virgin, and the game was originally published by Electronic Arts.
And for those who wonder how it plays, it pretty much plays like all the Diablo clones it inspired on the PS2. Just turn on combo buttons, and use "Relative" controls.
I have been playing the past few months with wine staging just fine
wine-staging = bleeding edge and I'm on Fedora, no wine-staging in the repos so that means I'd have to compile up a bleeding edge wine and wine support packages, like I said. Yes, I "could" do it, but it would be annoying and Steam Play with STO works out-of-the-box with no hassle.
I want my gaming to be as no-hassle and no-Windows as possible, which is why I'm primarily a Console gamer. STO was one of the few PC games I ever ran, back when it first went F2P and was still PC only back then.
When STO went free to play, I started playing it on Linux. (though I was hoping for an eventual PS3/PS4 version). It performed okay, but as time went on, the performance suffered. And then Cryptic did a major update which pretty much prevented STO from running on Wine unless you compiled a bleeding edge wine install and engaged in the usual travails of getting it to work. I basically had to quit the game as a Captain 35.
I installed it via steamplay on my Fedora machine and it "just worked", though I have been spoiled by the PS4 versions faster pace, improved UI, "gambit" system, and movement/camera controls. Just ran through a mission, did a space encounter, and gained a couple of levels. Seems to be okay. At least now I'll be able to order me up a 3D printed version of my ship, PS4 version doesn't have that feature. We'd have to go the website to get a generic ship, instead of one with the name/colors/parts.
Some Linux diehards will say this is a backwards step because they think developers should make native games
They ought to, especially if they already have a PS4 version. After all, PS4's are BSD machines, so some of the work has already been done.
I do not expect any serious game publisher making AAA games to consider NATIVE Linux development to be even a "nice-to-have"
But.. what about the PS4? PS4's are BSD systems. If there's a PS4 build then doing a Linux build shouldn't be a too major of an undertaking.
because a Linux binary is native to the Operating system, which is at a lower level than being native to the desktop environment. QT and GTK apps on a Linux system are both Linux native applications, Wine apps, are not.
More seriously, I guess that explains why your gpg keys are all revoked:
gpg --list-keys perens
pub 1024R/2C1FBBB2 2014-06-16 [revoked: 2016-08-16]
uid Bruce Perens
pub 1024R/F6599E8D 2014-06-16 [revoked: 2016-08-16]
uid Bruce Perens
But not all gpg users are paranoid and into conspiracy theories and whatnot.
-----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-----
owE7HZzEEF25rNJZPTc/T8GpqDQ5VUchL79EIbUstahSIb0gXaG0OLVIIbNYoSCx
KDEvPzNFT0EhPDGzREchJV+hMr9UISM1sQhI5GQm5xeUpBYV23MBAA==
=11ux
-----END PGP MESSAGE-----
Do you really think I didn't check the ARRL before writing that? I could take the test closer though. It does surprise me that there aren't any classes/tests in the nearest college town. And bog knows what the local repeater situation is, I've only done a quick check but have seen only one listed and it appears to be offline.
So I'm rather disinclined to join the hobby for those and other reasons.
Why yes, but the US population is much higher than it was in 1914 when the ARRL was founded. 92 million or so versus over 308 million, So it's going to be higher, but what matters is the percentage. there's what, 752000 or so? That's not even 1 percent of the US population. How many of those are truly active and not people who've given up on the hobby due to age/money/time.
Sure the influx of cheap chinese equipment has helped...heck I've thought about picking up one of those 2 meter handhelds just to see what the Slashdot hams talk about. But there are ZERO license classes within 50 miles.
I can google and see a ton of blog posts and articles from hams saying how there's less activity and talking about how their friends are going "silent key" more and more.
The Hobby of Ham Radio is not a healthy one, maybe the ARRL needs to get more class sites and test sites out there. And it doesn't help the disdain some hams have for new people or for people who aren't one of those more affluent hams who can blow thousands of dollars on gear. Would you be one of those showing disdain for a new ham with one of those Baofeng BF-F8HP's
20 percent of last years graduating class had Amateur tickets.
Graduating class? "What" graduating class. Ham radio doesn't have a "Graduating class" Do you mean new or upgrade licenses?
And why focus on the Amateur tickets, that's the highest level isn't it? Isn't the Technician license the one new hams would get?
And the ARRL itself says numbers are a problem, sure there's been some increase in new hams but the number of licenses going away via expiration or "Silent keys" is also going up.
http://www.arrl.org/news/more-...
And I guess the hams on slashdot/websites/forums saying the hobby is graying and declining are wrong? I know someone who goes to Hamvention and has said themselves that the hobby is aging and in decline.
Problem is, here in Ontario the "jump" in the minimum wage cause nearly 70k people to lose their jobs at the start of the year as employers were unable to afford it.
The employers lie, business people lie, plutocrats lie about how the minimum wage is so horrible and make all sorts of untrue claims about it.
We know that in the states when the minimum wage goes up, the economy improves... EVERY TIME. It's one of the easiest ways to boost the economy. Now sure, the business people you identify with will lie and claim it will hurt them...but their employees having money helps them becuase it's a Trickle UP economy.
Helping the people on the lowest end of the socioeconomic scale helps the ones at the top. Even more than if money was just thrown at just the top.
The province has lost nearly 300k middle class jobs in the last 7 years.
Whose fault is that? CEO's, CFO's, investors and whatnot telling companies to shift jobs overseas! It's white guys in suits and ties, not illegals.
And why do they do that, because guys to guys like you the #1 consideration on buying things is how low the price can go. You and society want's the cheapest stuff possible... so they shift jobs overseas to take advantage of the labor differential.
They're screwing YOU and screwing the foreign labor too. The only people who win are investment bankers, CEO's and CFO's and other plutocrats.
You are implying that the illegals are getting benefits... such a supposition does not jibe with them actually doing the work that we both know they do. I have seen newspaper articles here in the states about illegals who paid into the various tax systems AS illegals using fake id's and whatnot.
And I have seen articles saying that the illegals paying in (and not receiving) are helping prop up systems such as Social Security, since our population growth is coming from immigration.
So again, why focus on the immigrants and not the employers?
how do they compete against someone when a company can import the labor for 1/2 the going rate. Or illegally pay under the table 1/4 the wage. They can't.
So the problem is the businesses and wall street, but nowhere do I see in your reply that business owners should be punished....only the immigrants themselves. You know, the people trying to make a better life for themselves who are being exploited by plutocrats.
Even at that, those service jobs in restaurants and hotels were never meant to be a long-term job, but a stepping stone to a better one.
Really? And which jobs are those? Businesses need more "Indians" than "Chiefs" how many managers does a hotel or restaurant need compared to how many people they need doing the HARDEST work. If your logic was true, the military would be all officers, but it isn't, is it? Somebody has to do the actual work. We live in a finite society and world, we can't all be middle managers. The problem is that we as a society, even if we need things like produce-pickers, busboys, and maids, don't value that work. Why shouldn't someone who is a maid make enough money to buy a small house? Why shouldn't a produce-picker be able to live a comfortable life and be able to have nice things. They work HARD, it might not be as intellectual as code work, but they work their asses off.
TFWs, H2B's, and all the flavors it's all wage depression.
so was the outsourcing of the US's manufacturing jobs in the 70's, but I don't recall ever seeing you complain about that other than perhaps calling rust belt factory workers stupid for not seeing the way things were going and becoming coders or something.
Well dear boy, look north to Canada where those illegals with a mere "36,000" of them broke the welfare systems of Ontario and Quebec in a matter of months.
National post? isn't that like the Canadian equivalent of the uber-capitalist-uber-right National Review here in the states? Don't you think that site might not be un-biased on such things?
I'm all for "legal" but limited immigration, which is the way my ancestors
The USA didn't HAVE immigration laws till the 1920's (except for Asians)
But... did your ancestors apply for asylum and get green cards from the Sioux, Cherokee, Miami, Mohawks, etc etc. Or did they just move in and shoot any of them who objected or got in the way or who even were living on land granted to them...that somebody found gold on.
I'm quite certain it was the latter.
30 million? I don't think that's an accurate number.
And suppose we stop all immigration and kick all the illegals out. So who's going to replace all those jobs the illegals did? Who's going to replace all those payments into the Social Security system because the US population will start dropping.
Why don't you focus on the BUSINESSES that caused the problem by not paying living fair wages. Who do you think the maids, busboys, vegetable pickers and whatnot were before Latinos? What we have now is basically Plutocrats exploiting ANOTHER minority.
Ham radio is a fairly common interest amongst older transfolk. And Cessna's amongst those with more money. And of course model railroading and trains in general. Linux and anime amongst younger ones. The ones who are transitioning young will probably have more tradtionally-gendered interests.
I used to call a bunch of upper-class crossdressers in a support group I was in "The Cessna's and Sailboats crowd"
I understand that ham radio buffs tend to be older-bearded-ex-military-janes-reading-model-railroading-tabletop-wargaming-cessna owning sort of guys...but did you have to engage in casual homophobia?
After all, hams complain about their declining numbers, do you think that contributing to the stereotype of hams being right-wing bigoted jerks is going to encourage new blood....well except amongst the younger versions of guys like you of course.
Not even taking into account that the earliest users of the internet were bearded unix geeks, basically just like you, only doing computers more than radio and perhaps slighty less into Janes and wargaming.
I figured you'd latch on to this, you are so predictable.
Did you see the update where it was discovered that it was someone trying to sell a second hand game as New? No? This is why I constantly tell you to keep your info current and don't fall into the trap of locking yourself into your axes-to-grind.
The defense budget is a fraction the size of social services mostly which goes to fund deadbeats.
The big ticket entitlements are Social Security and Medicare, which supports those deadbeats known as Grandma and Grandpa and the deadbeat that is your cousin with Down Syndrome.
In general, the vast majority of those receiving government assistance are either: Elderly, disabled or children.
Such deadbeat parasites. Maybe we should just kill the lousy parasites and we can build a city where the great would not be constrained by the small...Rapture.
stop the foreign aliens coming in and abusing our welfare services.
The foreign aliens working their asses off in poultry processing factories in Arkansas? Or picking lettuce in California? Running small gardening/handyman/home fix-up services out of pick-up truck at Lowe's? Slaving away in restaurants and hotels and not getting paid fair wages because their employers threaten them?
You are trying to decide what will be best for society as a whole, and get the government to implement it.
That's what CIVILIZATION as a whole is. You know, Civilization? the thing that took us from stone age hunter-gatherer tribes to what we are now?
Baba yetu, yetu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu amina!
I'm in favor of single _payer_, e.g. the gov't pays but otherwise stays out of things.
Yep, in general that's what I'd like to see.
At some point I think we have to admit that capitalism as we idolize it just plain doesn't work.
I think it only worked as well as it did post WW2 is that the plutocrats had sons serving along side the sons of impoverished people and sharing stories. And of course the plutocrats knowing that the kids who had been living in tenements before the war might not want to go back to them after seeing Paris. Not to mention the "We are all in this together" attitude the country had during and after the war.
So the plutocrats had a stronger sense of noblesse oblige and "shared the wealth"
Vietnam ended that, the kids of the plutocrats had their college deferments. (Plays Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival) And so what bonds that had existed in the past between the sons of the plutocrats and the sons of the poor serving together...vanished.
Related changes in society is why "lodges" aren't much of a thing anymore.
mm...well, it was that way for me, most everyone I know, and for people in ages back before us.
We decided as a society that some of the things that went on in the past, were wrong.
Hell, a good example of this no consequences thing, is the increasing deadbeat or deserter dads in many communities.
There is no increase, in fact it's been declining for years. Highest in the 70's and 80's. And I'm rather sure this is a subtle racist dog whistle, since "deadbeat dads" has been used as such before.
In the past, there were consequences society put on fathers that abandoned their kids and responsibilities...now, not so much and look what has happened!
In the past it was EASY for fathers to get away, back say in the Great Depression, fathers could just skip out. And they skipped out a LOT. Social Security numbers? Not a thing. Photo ID's? Not a thing. Now we have computers and such, they are easier to track. We actually garnish wages and put people on trial for non-support. There are more penalties now than ever.