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  1. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    Just like "don't you read books?" is a cliche. You do not think- you regurgitate.

    What, you think every programmer should write their own version of K&R C book? No? Why not, they're just regurgitating.

    If people have been writing and discussing something for years, shouldn't we use those resources? But no, that's not good enough for Libertarian Slashdot, it's "citation needed" and then it's back to making Soviet Russia, Natalie Portman and $$$ Profit jokes.

    Translated into Christian to exemplify its stupidity:

    The difference is the study of privilege is based on numbers at it's core. It's statistics and math.

    Fools like you cling to "privilege" as an argument because it is designed to be unfalsifiable.

    And Fools like you deny it because you simply just don't give a damn about anything but yourself. You want to talk about privilege? The first black man to attend ol Miss is still alive... it happened in 1962, only 5 years before I was born. They had to send in Federal troops. The staff car of the commanding general was mobbed and set on fire...while he and his staff were in it... they escaped the car...and were shot at.

    4 years later James Meredith was shot while leading a march to get people registered to vote. The guy who shot him, got a 5 year sentence with 3 years suspended....

    You know those 3 civil rights workers who were killed whose story was told in the film Mississippi Burning?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

    The man who planned their murder is still alive. Do you know when they finally convicted him? 2005.

    It hasn't even been 100 years since the 19th amendment was ratified.

    Did someone ever threaten you with a gun for trying to register to vote?

    A few years back there was a segment on 60 minutes or Dateline NBC about an HR guy at a company that was having trouble with people he had to fire because of performance or their job was being downsized. They'd get angry/upset at him, and the company, they'd refuse to accept that their job performance was poor or that their job was now gone, and security would have to be called in. He decided that if it was a white guy, he'd cater to their ego and tell them they lost their job because of "Quotas and affirmative action". He said on camera that he didn't care if it made people say or do bigoted things, that it was better they got mad at minorities than himself or the company. He got caught out because one of his firees threatened to sue about the so-called "reverse discrimination" and found out why he was actually fired...and then told the press about the HR guy.

    Shit still happens and denying your privilege isn't doing us any good.

     

    I'm calling you out because all you've offered is cliches and pejoratives and you act incredulous when people don't just accept your assertions.

    It's not cliches, it's numbers and statistics. Did I not make reference to demographics?

  2. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    Making 32$K per year is not a special advantage.

    Economic privilege is still privilege. A full-time minimum wage employee earns $15,080 annually.

    Worst, instead of teaching people how to be able to make 32$K a year, we attack those who do in order to make them feel "bad" for getting there.

    Oh? But what happens when companies like google try to increase diversity? (Essentially trying to teach people how to make 32K a year) You know what happens on Slashdot, Google gets attacked for it. It's not about making the people with 32K feel "bad" per se, it's about making them realize their privilege and want to help. They make "themselves" feel guilty.

    But if he did something right to get where he is... I might learn it too, instead of claiming he is privileged. (Shifting the burden doesn't help)

    But lots of people didn't earn it themselves. They had college educated parents, grew up in the burbs, had early access to technology, and schools with a LOT more money. For example Bill Gates didn't exactly earn his wealth, he is where he is because of his parents. They sent him to a private high school school that had early access to computers in 197! and then on to Harvard. When he first met with IBM, one of the IBM people said. "you're Mary Gates son aren't you?" His mother was on the "national" board for the Red Cross. To get on a board like that, you basically have to be VERY privileged.

    So he had a "head start", same applies to Zuckerberg (parents were a dentist and a psychiatrist, went to Philips Exeter), and even RMS

    IMHO you have fallacy there: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.c...

    No, because the debate on privilege is based on numbers and statistics at it's core.

  3. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    I'm not privileged, I'm single and live in a one room apartment and make $32000!

    What you are doing is called "Denial of privilege", sure you may not be donald trump, but:

    http://whatever.scalzi.com/201...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

    I know your average slashdotter geek doesn't realize it, but you're privileged. You don't think so and that word bugs you, but you are. The fact that you don't know you are is sad, but privileged folks tend to be blissfully unaware of it in general.

  4. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    To you maybe, but you didn't earn your score fairly.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

    http://whatever.scalzi.com/201...

  5. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    Please explain. "Leveling the playing field" and "unearned privilege" are cliches that are essentially meaningless.

    They may be cliches to you, but they're not, don't you read books, newspapers, or magazines. These concepts have been discussed for decades now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

    John Scalzi, you know the guy, wrote for EGM, science fiction writer, has discussed race/class/gender privilege many many times.

    http://whatever.scalzi.com/201...

    They are brandished almost entirely by completely ignorant people that think insulting anyone that disagrees with them and saying "fuck" a lot are valid forms of discussion.

    Look, I get a little bit ticked off at the general overprivileged semi-libertarian overly selfish mood of Slashdot sometimes. Especially when people go out of their way to try not to admit that class or race privilege exists. Even more so when said people are obviously trying to get out of admitting they have it or that they have any responsibility to the future to get rid of it.

    And I don't know why you called me on using fuck when plenty of conservatives/libertarians use it on Slashdot all the time.

  6. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    CIRA, the group that represented Gratz had a conservative agenda. Gratz was contacted by CIRA, not the other way around.

    also:

    It has been argued by some that Jennifer Gratz lacked legal standing to bring this action. Gratz applied in 1995, three years before the University of Michigan adopted its points system. Gratz could not claim injury as a result of the points system, and thus, under traditional legal rules, Gratz lacked standing. Gratz chose not to attend the University of Michigan by declining the university's offer to be placed on a waiting list. Every Michigan student who agreed to go onto the waiting list in the spring of 1995 was admitted to the University of Michigan for the Fall 1995 semester.

  7. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    What did "Mr. Black" do to earn the legal requirement that he be hired over "Mr. Yellow"?

    He didn't, because the AA laws protect Mr. Yellow too.

    For that matter, what did he do to earn the right to be hired over "Mr. White", a poor hick that grew up in a 1-room shack with no running water, taught himself to read & write and worked his way through college completely on his own?

    Because THAT type of Mr. white, was statistically more likely to be hired, even if Mr. Black had better qualifications. And the fact that Mr. Black was statistically more likely to live in a 1-room shack than Mr. White was. Doesn't mean there isn't poor Mr. Whites, but statistically Mr. Black is more likely to have that background.

    Sure, AA should probably be class based, but when race is so closely tied with class in this country it really doesn't matter that much.

    Put aside your bigotry (or racism? Is that it?) so a discussion can be had.

    It's not bigotry to call the anti-affirmative action movement what it is... Angry White Men upset about having to give up unearned privilege.

    Whether or not my ideas could pass your bigoted thought gates is irrelevant to whether or not AA is a workable solution.

    It IS relevant, do you have a solution or not? If not, we use what we have. It may not be perfect, but it's the best we got.

    The logic that supports it is obviously, deeply, flawed and the program's history only confirms such.

    I don't know, lets ask someone who is a minority person who isn't a Slashdotter about that.

  8. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    That "historical racism" theory of yours would do a great job of explaining why Jews and Asians in America are such failures.

    1. Jews can't immediately be indentified as such. Many jews early in america changed their names to be not identified as jews. Ever watch Gone with the Wind? Leslie Howard...Jewish. And they didn't have to deal with slavery, and often emigrated with trade skills or money. which gave them a leg up. That said, there was open discrimination against Jews in various ways till recently recently. Sure, maybe they'd hire a jew for certain jobs, but they wouldn't let them in the country club. There's still a bit of the anti-semitism of "I wish the jews didn't run hollywood" sort going around.

    2. And asians? Continental Railroad...Hello? Internment camps for japanese-americans? Restricted Immigration Quotas from asia but not Europe? And again, they didn't have to deal with slavery in america.

    There's also a LOT less Asians and Jews, and they're more concentrated than African-Americans.

  9. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    You've lost the battle of public opinion, as well as the legal one, and whether you like it or not racial quotas are soon to be consigned to the dustbin of history.

    You know why quotas are gone...a bunch of guys like you didn't want to give up their power and privilege so they got a conservative court to agree with them and made statements like "affirmative action only gives us unqualified people" just so they could keep on doing the same bigoted crap they'd been doing for ages.

    What other measurement can you use? Really, how do we solve this problem? or do you think it's not a problem? Or do you just not care, you've got yours, who gives a damn about anyone else?

  10. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    Fuck You Mr. Over Literal slashdotter using "Citation needed" to deny problems exist. Read a fucking news magazine or watch TV or read the demographic data.

  11. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    Race-based hiring is not leveling the playing field, it is leveling the score after the final results are in. The game started long before the job applications were submitted; before college; before primary; before birth even.

    Fine...then what do we do to remedy it then? Nothing? How do we fix the game then? If having a high paying job helps the next generation, then you need to fix things so that the hiring of the next generation is more balanced. But no one is wanting to do that because it means some overprivileged white guys in the burbs have to basically give away their unearned privilege and they don't want to do that. And they're resenting being told they should. The entire fucking anti-affirmative action movement is basically white guys upset they have to be nice to everyone and not show favoriism to other white guys, which is what they have been doing.

  12. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    Unearned privilege... that's like original sin, right? Everyone white or male has it, and it's sufficient unto itself to justify any punishment which may be dished out.

    It's NOT punishment, you may see it that way, but leveling the playing field to reduce the effects of unearned privilege is not taking something you earned by skill or right.

    It's something you had, no matter how good intentioned you were.

  13. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    So your solution to a handful of people being assholes is to disadvantage everyone of European and Asian descent

    Leveling the playing field isn't disadvantaging, though I can imagine some are upset that they are being called on their unearned privilege.

    My family came here in the 1930s, from Germany, and settled in the Northeast. We had nothing to do with Jim Crow or slavery.

    But that doesn't mean you or I (my ancestors arrived here in the 1630's in Virginia and New York) didn't benefit from it, because we're still feeling the effects from it and our ancestors didn't have to compete fairly.

  14. Re:Weird comments on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 1

    Strangely, even in 2014, there are still low income people don't have computers. Around here part of the problem is that tech recyclers have shown up to recycle the machines that might have gone to lower income people, to sell those to small businesses and non-profits. The computers the non-profits/small businesses replace basically get junked (maybe even sent overseas) because they're VERY old. (P3's/older P4's)

    Also, since poorer people don't have computers, they can't take advantage of the geek resources we'd use to find one in the first place. (Picking up a refurb from fry's or something)

    Now, some of the tech recylers have some deals...but again you pretty much have to be online to get one....and they often sell the machine sans-OS. Which means getting an OS, and being able to install it.

    If they're lucky they might have the cash for whatever crap wal-mart has...but you KNOW how Slashdotters love to bash people for buying computers from in-store mass market retailers.

  15. Re:See: Morgan Freeman on Tech Workforce Diversity At Facebook Similar To Google And Yahoo · · Score: 2

    The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race." -Chief Justice John Roberts

    Roberts is a fool. Sure that sounds great to conservatives and libertarians, who are opposed to anti-discrimination laws out of principle (and some hidden racism) but that's not how the world actually works...because people don't stop discriminating. Sometimes it's even subconscious.

    In a perfect world without assholes, Roberts might be right, but we don't live in that world.

  16. Re:Why I don't buy the misogyny argument on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    In what possible way is income an "unearned advantage"?

    When it wasn't you who earned it.

    Not only "would I", I did choose to be an ethnic minority in America.

    Which one?

    What I do have a problem with is that people like you take a look at me and start making assumptions about my supposedly unearned privilege.

    And I have a problem with people who are privileged...claiming they weren't and getting upset when called on their privilege.

    Oh, you got that right. And what you should do is stop being a racist.

    How in the hell is it racist to say "racism and various kinds of bigotry exists" In what kind of crazy world do you live in?

  17. Re:Why I don't buy the misogyny argument on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    You're even funnier with your "la la la racism doesn't exist" thing.

    Again, which would you rather be? After all, if affluent white male is "easy mode with cheats on" then "poor AND black" is "hard mode", isn't it?

  18. Re:Want to code? on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    Well it IS men's fault, who's running Madison Avenue and the Fortune 500? Men. Who make the locker-room attitudes that turn women off in tech industry...Men.

    This whole damn issue is "Men behaving badly and whining when they're asked to cut it out" Suck it up dudebros, your privilege is showing.

  19. Re:Sexism on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    However, it doesn't seem to include blaming the situation on female nurses driving men out of the field, nor does it go so far as to attempt to exclude women from any nursing programs.

    That's right, because for some reason, women tend to not be such jerkasses as certain over-privileged white-guy-with-power are. They tend to be less selfish and more willing to put the group first.

    Education? Ha. Token. It's still assumed that any guy interested in elementary education is a pedophile.

    That's never been the case. The real reason for the drop in male schoolteachers is the money, men to be more selfish and think of their wallet first these days. You'll notice that they still do go in secondary education where the pay is higher...where there are teenage girls? So it's not sex that keeps them out of elementary, it's prestige and money..and the fact that modern men consider anything involving younger kids that doesn't involve sports "womenstuff"

  20. Re:Why I don't buy the misogyny argument on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    And you determine that people have "unearned advantages" based on their skin color???

    I didn't say that, now did I. It's one strong factor, you can also throw income in there. But would you want to be an ethnic minority in America? Would you willingly give up white privilege?

    You're a racist, pure and simple.

    I'm racist to point out that racism still exists and that we should do something about it?

  21. Re:Why I don't buy the misogyny argument on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    It is precisely because you don't know that you can't make me pay for it. If you don't know the interviewer, how do you it's ME who got a job because of a bad interviewer? Maybe I'm selected because I am the best fit for the job and the interviewer is completely impartial. You still want to punish me? That's just a witch hunt

    Leveling the playing field is NOT punishing you. It's merely asking you. "don't be a jerk."

    No, it's not wrong.

    Yes it is, you have money that doesn't belong to you, it belongs to someone else.

    So we must assume the ATM/bank is WILLINGLY giving away free money.

    Come now, we know that the standard behavior of ATM's is to NOT give extra money away.

    There's nothing wrong to accept and keep a gift that somebody willingly offered you.

    That's not a gift, it's a machine error. Gifts are done by "intent" not accident.

    It's precisely because we are all part of the same society that you should not be stealing from me. I'm a part of the society too. Stealing from me just creates another problem. You're trying to hurt me, one of your own society.

    How is trying to remedy discrimination "stealing" from you? What are we supposed to do about it then?

    I believe the social contract applies to ALL of us, not an excuse for you to hurt me and take away my protections to appease some other group.

    How is saying to the people with the vast majority of wealth and power: "Stop being bigoted jerks to everyone that isn't like you."...hurting you.

    Saying we're in this together but then selectively favoring parts of "we" is what's selfish.

    But that's what Jim crow, sexism, racism, slavery, homophobia are! Selective favoritism towards white males!

  22. Re:Why I don't buy the misogyny argument on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    So trying to level the playing field is discriminating against you? Let me ask this, if there was a magic pill that could turn you "black", how much would you have to be paid to take it. Or would you never take it because you know that being a racial minority is a serious disadvantage, and being a racial minority AND poor is even worse.

    None of those appalachian whites would ever trade their whiteness for blackness. They may complain, but they know how it is.

  23. Re:Why I don't buy the misogyny argument on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    Because we didn't rig it, and we don't have the means to un-rig it.

    Yes we do, there is thing called "politics" and "elections" by participating in these things "together" we can work to un-rig it. Yes, it's hard, but we really do have to try.

     

    The idea of someone being $100k in debt for college (or anything that isn't a house, really) is completely fucking baffling and outrageous to me.

    I agree on that.

    Likewise, this program is one that Google can trot out to say how "We're fighting sexism by trying to get more women into tech!" They know damned well it won't work; it's just bread and circuses to distract from the fact that they've been proven to be pretty fucking terrible employers.

    I agree on that, but better this than nothing.

  24. Re:Overclocking is Recommended? on Open-Source NVIDIA Driver Steps Up Its Game & Runs Much Faster · · Score: 1

    The summary is misleading. It's not about overclocking at all, but actually letting your NVidia card run at full speed under Nouveau. See, Nouveau doesn't have the ability to dynamically set your GPU's clock, so it boots in the normal low power state and then can never go up, no matter what.

    Using the proprietary driver, the card is clocked based upon graphics needs.

    Under Nouveau say, a GT640 rev 2 would always run at 405Mhz, NOT the full 1124 Mhz even if you ran a 3D using application. Using the proprietary driver, if you're just browsing the web and then start up something uses 3D it'll ramp right up to full speed.

  25. Re:Why I don't buy the misogyny argument on Girls Take All In $50 Million Google Learn-to-Code Initiative · · Score: 1

    Which makes you the exception that people trot out to say how "The system works" and how "everyone can succeed"

    You....were...lucky. You may have worked hard, yes, but no matter how hard one works, if the breaks don't come your way its for naught.

    If we agree the game is rigged, then why the fuck don't we un-rig the fucking game, then succeeding won't depend so much on luck or how much money your parents had, but on your own abilities.