But you see what I'm getting at. Saying that Pnik Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon was 15 bucks at Walmart in 2002 and saying that it's the same price today doesn't mean it's a scam... if anything it's a steal when you put it up to other products that haven't changed in years.
You're just trying to bring this all down into a question of the literal interpretation of the point being made. Feel free but those of us who live in the real world aren't fooled.
And yes I know itunes is DRM-free now that the ipod dominates the market
Care to cite? Once the DRM model exists it it is a minor cost to keep everything under the same model. I highly doubt that Apple's marketshare has much to do with their dropping of DRM. If anything, Apple probably has even more competition than they have had when they had DRM in the past with major players like Amazon in the market.
Really? So if you find an album that only has one solid song you buy the entire thing because, you know, it's all on the same album so the entire album must be good by some twisted logic?
After some of the shit professional astronomers took after the 10 year old found the supernova it is even more clear to me how the public just doesn't get science on nearly any level. The public doesn't think of them as people like Hubble, Spitzer or even Newton, they think that they should be like Gandalf, Merlin or Harry Potter.
The sad thing about this? It seems that a lot of people on Slashdot seem to expect the same thing. Nothing better than the armchair pseudo-scientists who belittle others over something that is totally exceptable to anyone with a half ounce of common sense.
I'm thinking of the sort of photocopied music mags that used to get dropped off at pubs around the Sydney Indie scene.
I use to write for a hardcore punk zine in the late 80s/early 90s. While I think it was useful for outreach, we never had a very large reader base. Maybe 100 readers at the peak. The crazy thing is that we would get promotionals from major labels in genres that were totally unrelated. I still reviewed them and was fair about it since all my musical tastes weren't limited to hardcore punk but given the crowd I doubt that these companies ever made enough sales off my reviews to even make up for the shipping costs of the free CDs we'd get.
The web certainly has a ton more potential and I have bought a fair amount off of artists that I had known of exclusively from internet methods. Mostly podcasts.
Yeah, "grew out of" and actually, Rounders "grew out of" some French game. Modern baseball was formalized in America a full 30 years before Rounders was. What you're saying is like trying to compare the first version of Indian Chess with the later refined Persian Chess that is mostly what is used today.
By your terms I guess that all music was influenced by some caveman hitting a hollow log with a stick too and by that same logic the music made today is just a lightweight rip off of Ogga the Hunter circa 50000 BC.
I'd like to know your literature examples of people that it has worked for.
My point being that having webspace alone wouldn't replace the existing (limited slot) promotion system unless the artist is already established.
And my point being that even being established doesn't really mean success. For all the free press and supposed non-fan "donations" that were made Radiohead still couldn't pull it off. What happens when artists start putting out stuff on the web on a regular basis with no backing and no free advertising? I'm not disagreeing with you but rather throwing in more ideas behind it.
It would have been interesting to me to see what would have happened if Radiohead had put a dollar value on their recording that they would have like to have seen with an active ticker. Much like Wikipedia has today during their pledge drive. I wonder if people would have ponied up more or the rate of decline in payments after the mark was met. It would be even more interesting to see Radiohead break down the costs of an album production in a meaningful way. I don't think people really appreciate the costs involved in producing a first rate album. I have no doubt that they have no idea how much time some of these people put into their craft and the risks they're taking to deliver entertainment.
Actually it didn't work for Radiohead as they said they'd never do the pay-what-you-will model again. Those who downloaded the album and paid nothing probably didn't have a big impact on the overall fiscal performance of the venture. Those that did pay would have paid under a price point that Radiohead obviously felt their product was worth. This means that even if Radiohead were to name a price to get back enough money to make it worthwhile for them to record that the public would be unwilling to pay it. Even with all the Slashdotters who claimed that they were going to pay for the album even though they didn't like Radiohead the venture was unsuccessful.
Ok, here I am, take me to court because you'll get nothing out of me. And to the person who modded this insightful? Let me know what logic you used to feed such a troll.
Oh, come on now, everyone here at Slashdot knows we could be the ones making the big bucks calling the shots at mega corporations but instead we've decided to sit around and poke fun at those short-sighted fools who roll in the big bucks. It's a choice, my boy, we chose to make modest or poor wages slaving for The Man instead.
All kidding aside, most of the people who spit on copyright are mostly the ones who'd hear nothing about putting up their money on what is a start up venture like signing a band. While it is getting cheaper to produce albums it still isn't cheap. At the same time learning one's craft well enough to rise above the typical bar band or club DJ isn't cheap or easy either.
Ahem! FTFA: where sent text messages can appear to be in the correct thread and still end up being sent to another contact altogether. In other words, unless you pull up the Message Details screen after the fact, you might not even know the grievous act you've committed until your boss, significant other, or best friend -- make that former best friend -- texts you back.
Apparently you have a whole other bug than what is being reported. If the bug was what you had mentioned then the bug should be reported as the wrong contact opening, not the wrong contact getting a text.
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But you see what I'm getting at. Saying that Pnik Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon was 15 bucks at Walmart in 2002 and saying that it's the same price today doesn't mean it's a scam... if anything it's a steal when you put it up to other products that haven't changed in years.
Coca Cola use to be a buck 5 years ago too. The fact that it's 1.25 USD today doesn't mean that Coca-Cola is more expensive to produce.
My over-60 mother who's an admitted (and proud) technophobe knows what an "app" is. I sense a little hyperhole in your post.
The Nazis only did this because they loved cats.
You're just trying to bring this all down into a question of the literal interpretation of the point being made. Feel free but those of us who live in the real world aren't fooled.
And yes I know itunes is DRM-free now that the ipod dominates the market
Care to cite? Once the DRM model exists it it is a minor cost to keep everything under the same model. I highly doubt that Apple's marketshare has much to do with their dropping of DRM. If anything, Apple probably has even more competition than they have had when they had DRM in the past with major players like Amazon in the market.
Really? So if you find an album that only has one solid song you buy the entire thing because, you know, it's all on the same album so the entire album must be good by some twisted logic?
If you're a vegetarian, then eat vegetables and quit with the 'kind of similar to meat' products. If you can't do that, then learn to, or give up.
Sorry guy, didn't know that we had to answer to you. Tell me by what method of logic that you think you have the right to tell others to do?
I'm sure we could integrate this with some Vulcan cannon tracking too.
"A penny saved is a penny earned." -Jedi Franklin
After some of the shit professional astronomers took after the 10 year old found the supernova it is even more clear to me how the public just doesn't get science on nearly any level. The public doesn't think of them as people like Hubble, Spitzer or even Newton, they think that they should be like Gandalf, Merlin or Harry Potter.
The sad thing about this? It seems that a lot of people on Slashdot seem to expect the same thing. Nothing better than the armchair pseudo-scientists who belittle others over something that is totally exceptable to anyone with a half ounce of common sense.
Sweet! Thanks for the link.
I'm thinking of the sort of photocopied music mags that used to get dropped off at pubs around the Sydney Indie scene.
I use to write for a hardcore punk zine in the late 80s/early 90s. While I think it was useful for outreach, we never had a very large reader base. Maybe 100 readers at the peak. The crazy thing is that we would get promotionals from major labels in genres that were totally unrelated. I still reviewed them and was fair about it since all my musical tastes weren't limited to hardcore punk but given the crowd I doubt that these companies ever made enough sales off my reviews to even make up for the shipping costs of the free CDs we'd get.
The web certainly has a ton more potential and I have bought a fair amount off of artists that I had known of exclusively from internet methods. Mostly podcasts.
I am governor Jerry Brown.
My aura smiles
and never frowns...
Yawn
I see you've taken the last resort of those who know they're wrong. Clumsy but sadly commonplace.
Yeah, "grew out of" and actually, Rounders "grew out of" some French game. Modern baseball was formalized in America a full 30 years before Rounders was. What you're saying is like trying to compare the first version of Indian Chess with the later refined Persian Chess that is mostly what is used today.
By your terms I guess that all music was influenced by some caveman hitting a hollow log with a stick too and by that same logic the music made today is just a lightweight rip off of Ogga the Hunter circa 50000 BC.
I'd like to know your literature examples of people that it has worked for.
My point being that having webspace alone wouldn't replace the existing (limited slot) promotion system unless the artist is already established.
And my point being that even being established doesn't really mean success. For all the free press and supposed non-fan "donations" that were made Radiohead still couldn't pull it off. What happens when artists start putting out stuff on the web on a regular basis with no backing and no free advertising? I'm not disagreeing with you but rather throwing in more ideas behind it.
It would have been interesting to me to see what would have happened if Radiohead had put a dollar value on their recording that they would have like to have seen with an active ticker. Much like Wikipedia has today during their pledge drive. I wonder if people would have ponied up more or the rate of decline in payments after the mark was met. It would be even more interesting to see Radiohead break down the costs of an album production in a meaningful way. I don't think people really appreciate the costs involved in producing a first rate album. I have no doubt that they have no idea how much time some of these people put into their craft and the risks they're taking to deliver entertainment.
Actually it didn't work for Radiohead as they said they'd never do the pay-what-you-will model again. Those who downloaded the album and paid nothing probably didn't have a big impact on the overall fiscal performance of the venture. Those that did pay would have paid under a price point that Radiohead obviously felt their product was worth. This means that even if Radiohead were to name a price to get back enough money to make it worthwhile for them to record that the public would be unwilling to pay it. Even with all the Slashdotters who claimed that they were going to pay for the album even though they didn't like Radiohead the venture was unsuccessful.
Ok, here I am, take me to court because you'll get nothing out of me. And to the person who modded this insightful? Let me know what logic you used to feed such a troll.
Baseball does not predate America.
Actually, the "tradition" isn't American since slavery pre-dates America. It probably predates written history.
Oh, come on now, everyone here at Slashdot knows we could be the ones making the big bucks calling the shots at mega corporations but instead we've decided to sit around and poke fun at those short-sighted fools who roll in the big bucks. It's a choice, my boy, we chose to make modest or poor wages slaving for The Man instead.
All kidding aside, most of the people who spit on copyright are mostly the ones who'd hear nothing about putting up their money on what is a start up venture like signing a band. While it is getting cheaper to produce albums it still isn't cheap. At the same time learning one's craft well enough to rise above the typical bar band or club DJ isn't cheap or easy either.
Ahem! FTFA: where sent text messages can appear to be in the correct thread and still end up being sent to another contact altogether. In other words, unless you pull up the Message Details screen after the fact, you might not even know the grievous act you've committed until your boss, significant other, or best friend -- make that former best friend -- texts you back.
Apparently you have a whole other bug than what is being reported. If the bug was what you had mentioned then the bug should be reported as the wrong contact opening, not the wrong contact getting a text.
Errr. admission of guilt, not admission of built. Sorry.
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No officer, I wasn't drinking.