Are you kidding? Look at the big picture? Do you really expect the mindless young posters of slashdot to do anything besides toot their own horn?
If instead of complaining so much about Microsoft solutions, they created an equivalent desktop environment that was easy to use, consisted of the same command structure as Win2K, and could run compatible applications (spreadsheet, word processing, presentation manager, group scheduing and appointments, etc, etc, etc) -- then their words might have some credibility.
But so far, that is not the case, and we are stuck with stupid applications that do only half the job -- forcing us to switch to Microsoft to get the job done.
Leave it to those narrow-minded visionaries at VISA and Royal Phillips to come up with an even more insecure method of deploying consumer credit card information... via RF (wireless) technology.
If you think credit card fraud is rampant now, wait until card thieves get hold of a portable RF reader and begin walking down crowded streets...
Hey, that's fine with me. This gives me enough lead time to come out with a copper-lined wallet that prevents RF credit card theft. In fact, I'm racing to the patent office now!
What's the point of bashing an o/s? The point is it gives people with too much time on their hands (and a chip on their shoulder, in most cases) an opportunity to espouse their ignorance.
Clearly, you lack basic understanding (clarity). For example, your statement of "back peddling" is without substance or merit. You incorrectly state that I "thought I read it on the developer list" -- yet what I said was:
"As far as I know, google does not yet archive the private email communications and telephone conversations of others. All "research" does not equal "Google."
Clearly, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, even when it's about the post you just read. Perhaps you've found some strong drugs.
"...how would you expect anybody other than the people involved to know about it?"
I don't expect anyone other than the people involved to know about... or anyone who takes the initiative to ask the people involved. If the reviewer had taken the initiative to find out why vinum wasn't mentioned, he wouldn't have made his comment.
We all have open access to the FreeBSD developers. Ask, and ye shall receive.
I'm not here to present you with remarkable proof - other than to convey the substance of my email conversation with the current vinum "support" person. I wouldn't waste [too much of] my time on trying to convince comical slashdot critics that my facts are accurate. The opinions (as opposed to facts) espoused by most on here remind me of the Hollywood movie stars giving their "intellectual" opinion of the war.
Most of you have no inkling of how to research a subject, beyond google and your computer. It's a shame that the new [de]generation hasn't a clue as to how to determine and track down the authoritative source for specific information, beyond typing the terms into a search engine. I guess growing up with the "objective" standards of today's press really does make one believe they are being professional and objective when mimicking the National Enquirer.
Murray Stokely, John Baldwin, Robert Watson, Bruce Mah and Scott Long of the FreeBSD development team.
As far as I know, google does not yet archive the private email communications and telephone conversations of others. All "research" does not equal "Google."
"Sounds like a successful attempt at getting modded up with fake info to me. Mods: I know you can't check each and every "fact" when/. gives you mod points to use or lose but I'd appriciate if you do what I do and don't mod interesting/informative if you have no idea whether it is actually true."
Empty gestures and arm-flailing aren't going to get you anywhere, and neither is circular logic. The fact that your comment applies just as easily to the original review as it does my comments should have alerted you to its intellectually bankrupt foundation.
You want to know about the problems with vinum? Then do as I did -- talk with the FreeBSD developers about the problems you encouter with it while servicing high-volume sites. Murray Stokely, John Baldwin, Robert Watson, Bruce Mah or Scott Long can point you in the right direction.
Grow up. Your lack of knowledge or research into a specific technical area does not qualify you to dismiss authoritative comments regarding same.
"...the book makes no mention of certain high-profile features such as Vinum (FreeBSD's logical volume manager)..."
Why should it make mention of something that is being phased out of FreeBSD? Anyone who has followed the developers' thread knows that the code for vinum is unmanageable and horribly inefficient, and is being replaced. Why should the book's author teach you about something you should not use and that will be deprecated? Why didn't the reviewer research his comments a bit more before being critical of a positive feature of the book?
Yes, I would hire you if... the financial benefits derived from hiring you exceeded your salary. So, if I ever need someone to "show me the ropes" at Intel... I'll know who to call.
With all due respect, I'm amazed at how you publish your ill-conceived notions as fact. The site generates close to a million dollars in revenue per month, from a multitude of services including PPC (pay-per-click) listings, banner advertising, and XML feeds to other search engines. It's a shame that the most vocal people of the slashdot community are also the least knowledgeable. Read the lawsuits, dummy.
In case you're wondering, I've worked in setting up the initial sex.com network, and software. You can read about it here and here. I cite this in case you say, "what proof do you have of this?" Though I encourage you to educate and elighten yourself before espousing your ignorance on this or any other forum.
The power plant operators could bring in some extra cash by renting out a room to one of those "Unsightly Hair Removal" salons - after all, they would benefit from the electrolysis too. Imagine that... "We use only earth-friendly geothermal energy to remove your unsightly hair via electrolysis."
Likewise, slashdot should acquire the domain "nationalenquirer.com" and "theglobe.com" since that would complement the mentality of its users. I'm always amazed by the array of garbage that is posted in reply to slashdot articles.
Hopefully, Verio will file an action sounding in tort, and this abuse by spamhaus and others will come to an end... in much the same way as MAPS received its legal slap in the face. Geeks have to learn that there are legal ramifications for their actions. A mass protest on slashdot, or in the media, will not change the fact that they will be held accountable in a court of law.
Geeks seem to make a lot of noise (mostly online) regarding the law, but have little of substantive value to contribute to the laws themselves. I see so much rhetoric, assumption and lack of understanding of these matters by the geek community that it's obvious why they're not taken seriously in the legal world. So be it... just as man cannot live in a vacuum for very long, geeks cannot survive in the legal world.
Why would someone spend $400 on it when you can put together a better file server for under $100? Because not everyone wants a stereo system that looks like a technology garbage dump. Some of us want good looking products in our home, that we can control with a simple on-off switch and a volume control. Not everything in this world has to feel, look and smell like a Linux box.
"Yes, I'm being sarcastic. The really annoying part though, is that I'm too close to the mark, in how these ISP's think..."
It's amazing how many people on here *think* they know how others think. What's more amazing is that they have a problem with the "well of illegal activity" drying up. Yep... the P2P file sharing networks that are predominantly used to commit copyright violations, including Napster.
I can hear it now, "You're depriving me of the use of file sharing for *legitimate* purposes." Oh yea... sure, sure. How often have you used Napster for "legitimate" purposes that did not result in a copyright violation? Oh.. I see.. so now you've changed your tune to, "Well, you're denying me my *future* right to use it for legitimate purposes." That's what I thought, a cop-out excuse.
Hey, you want file sharing? Turn on Windows file sharing on your computer, and let the world connect to you. Or, post to an appropriate newsgroup. Afraid of getting shut down or, even worse, sued for copyright violation and/or pirating? Aha... so now we've uncovered the real motivation behind your objection to the shutting down of P2P networks, the pressure on ISP's to cut off customers who commit crimes using their networks, etc.
Get real. Get some morals. Just because you're surrounded by geeks who don't think twice about the law or what implications the "latest and greatest" has on existing laws doesn't mean that you yourself have to become brain-dead to reality.
Gee... and how will the CLIENT SOFTWARE download the complete song? It will have to reassemble it from the various pieces out there. How will it know where those pieces ARE?? You think that just because you're only holding PART of a song for file sharing, you're skirting the law??
Copyright law in the digital age will become MORE and MORE enforceable, because you'll be reading a LOT about pirates who were shut down by their ISP and blacklisted by all other ISP's, and who now have to resort to a dial-up AOL connection.
I'm getting tired of this, too... tired of the would-be lawyers permeating slashdot with advice to others on "how to fight the battle against big brother" -- even when they're wrong.
CableOne, as do other ISP's, has a clause in it's service agreement stating you'll be shut down if they receive a complaint that you are sharing copyright material.
You think you're going to hire a lawyer and sue your ISP if you get disconnected? Go ahead... you have a lot to learn about the law, lawyers in general, and the cost of litigation. Not to mention the fact that the defendant could ask for court and legal fees when you lose.
I hear so many of you spout your ignorant bullshit about "suing them" that it's sickening. Go pay $15,000 to file a complaint. See where it gets you. Maybe after you lose $50,000 or so, you'll change your mind about your juvenile thoughs.
Slashdot Mirror
Are you kidding? Look at the big picture? Do you really expect the mindless young posters of slashdot to do anything besides toot their own horn?
If instead of complaining so much about Microsoft solutions, they created an equivalent desktop environment that was easy to use, consisted of the same command structure as Win2K, and could run compatible applications (spreadsheet, word processing, presentation manager, group scheduing and appointments, etc, etc, etc) -- then their words might have some credibility.
But so far, that is not the case, and we are stuck with stupid applications that do only half the job -- forcing us to switch to Microsoft to get the job done.
Leave it to those narrow-minded visionaries at VISA and Royal Phillips to come up with an even more insecure method of deploying consumer credit card information... via RF (wireless) technology.
If you think credit card fraud is rampant now, wait until card thieves get hold of a portable RF reader and begin walking down crowded streets...
Hey, that's fine with me. This gives me enough lead time to come out with a copper-lined wallet that prevents RF credit card theft. In fact, I'm racing to the patent office now!
Perhaps if you learned to write adequate code that checked its user input, you wouldn't be so dependent on having the database do it for you.
Now all those [infringing] Linux users can discover FreeBSD, and wonder why they didn't choose it to begin with.
What's the point of bashing an o/s? The point is it gives people with too much time on their hands (and a chip on their shoulder, in most cases) an opportunity to espouse their ignorance.
Clearly, you lack basic understanding (clarity). For example, your statement of "back peddling" is without substance or merit. You incorrectly state that I "thought I read it on the developer list" -- yet what I said was:
"As far as I know, google does not yet archive the private email communications and telephone conversations of others. All "research" does not equal "Google."
Clearly, you haven't a clue what you're talking about, even when it's about the post you just read. Perhaps you've found some strong drugs.
"...how would you expect anybody other than the people involved to know about it?"
I don't expect anyone other than the people involved to know about... or anyone who takes the initiative to ask the people involved. If the reviewer had taken the initiative to find out why vinum wasn't mentioned, he wouldn't have made his comment.
We all have open access to the FreeBSD developers. Ask, and ye shall receive.
I'm not here to present you with remarkable proof - other than to convey the substance of my email conversation with the current vinum "support" person. I wouldn't waste [too much of] my time on trying to convince comical slashdot critics that my facts are accurate. The opinions (as opposed to facts) espoused by most on here remind me of the Hollywood movie stars giving their "intellectual" opinion of the war.
Most of you have no inkling of how to research a subject, beyond google and your computer. It's a shame that the new [de]generation hasn't a clue as to how to determine and track down the authoritative source for specific information, beyond typing the terms into a search engine. I guess growing up with the "objective" standards of today's press really does make one believe they are being professional and objective when mimicking the National Enquirer.
Murray Stokely, John Baldwin, Robert Watson, Bruce Mah and Scott Long of the FreeBSD development team.
As far as I know, google does not yet archive the private email communications and telephone conversations of others. All "research" does not equal "Google."
"Sounds like a successful attempt at getting modded up with fake info to me. Mods: I know you can't check each and every "fact" when /. gives you mod points to use or lose but I'd appriciate if you do what I do and don't mod interesting/informative if you have no idea whether it is actually true."
Empty gestures and arm-flailing aren't going to get you anywhere, and neither is circular logic. The fact that your comment applies just as easily to the original review as it does my comments should have alerted you to its intellectually bankrupt foundation.
You want to know about the problems with vinum? Then do as I did -- talk with the FreeBSD developers about the problems you encouter with it while servicing high-volume sites. Murray Stokely, John Baldwin, Robert Watson, Bruce Mah or Scott Long can point you in the right direction.
Grow up. Your lack of knowledge or research into a specific technical area does not qualify you to dismiss authoritative comments regarding same.
"...the book makes no mention of certain high-profile features such as Vinum (FreeBSD's logical volume manager)..."
Why should it make mention of something that is being phased out of FreeBSD? Anyone who has followed the developers' thread knows that the code for vinum is unmanageable and horribly inefficient, and is being replaced. Why should the book's author teach you about something you should not use and that will be deprecated? Why didn't the reviewer research his comments a bit more before being critical of a positive feature of the book?
Yes, I would hire you if... the financial benefits derived from hiring you exceeded your salary. So, if I ever need someone to "show me the ropes" at Intel... I'll know who to call.
With all due respect, I'm amazed at how you publish your ill-conceived notions as fact. The site generates close to a million dollars in revenue per month, from a multitude of services including PPC (pay-per-click) listings, banner advertising, and XML feeds to other search engines. It's a shame that the most vocal people of the slashdot community are also the least knowledgeable. Read the lawsuits, dummy.
In case you're wondering, I've worked in setting up the initial sex.com network, and software. You can read about it here and here. I cite this in case you say, "what proof do you have of this?" Though I encourage you to educate and elighten yourself before espousing your ignorance on this or any other forum.
The power plant operators could bring in some extra cash by renting out a room to one of those "Unsightly Hair Removal" salons - after all, they would benefit from the electrolysis too. Imagine that... "We use only earth-friendly geothermal energy to remove your unsightly hair via electrolysis."
Likewise, slashdot should acquire the domain "nationalenquirer.com" and "theglobe.com" since that would complement the mentality of its users. I'm always amazed by the array of garbage that is posted in reply to slashdot articles.
Hopefully, Verio will file an action sounding in tort, and this abuse by spamhaus and others will come to an end... in much the same way as MAPS received its legal slap in the face. Geeks have to learn that there are legal ramifications for their actions. A mass protest on slashdot, or in the media, will not change the fact that they will be held accountable in a court of law.
Geeks seem to make a lot of noise (mostly online) regarding the law, but have little of substantive value to contribute to the laws themselves. I see so much rhetoric, assumption and lack of understanding of these matters by the geek community that it's obvious why they're not taken seriously in the legal world. So be it... just as man cannot live in a vacuum for very long, geeks cannot survive in the legal world.
Why would someone spend $400 on it when you can put together a better file server for under $100? Because not everyone wants a stereo system that looks like a technology garbage dump. Some of us want good looking products in our home, that we can control with a simple on-off switch and a volume control. Not everything in this world has to feel, look and smell like a Linux box.
"Yes, I'm being sarcastic. The really annoying part though, is that I'm too close to the mark, in how these ISP's think..."
It's amazing how many people on here *think* they know how others think. What's more amazing is that they have a problem with the "well of illegal activity" drying up. Yep... the P2P file sharing networks that are predominantly used to commit copyright violations, including Napster.
I can hear it now, "You're depriving me of the use of file sharing for *legitimate* purposes." Oh yea... sure, sure. How often have you used Napster for "legitimate" purposes that did not result in a copyright violation? Oh.. I see.. so now you've changed your tune to, "Well, you're denying me my *future* right to use it for legitimate purposes." That's what I thought, a cop-out excuse.
Hey, you want file sharing? Turn on Windows file sharing on your computer, and let the world connect to you. Or, post to an appropriate newsgroup. Afraid of getting shut down or, even worse, sued for copyright violation and/or pirating? Aha... so now we've uncovered the real motivation behind your objection to the shutting down of P2P networks, the pressure on ISP's to cut off customers who commit crimes using their networks, etc.
Get real. Get some morals. Just because you're surrounded by geeks who don't think twice about the law or what implications the "latest and greatest" has on existing laws doesn't mean that you yourself have to become brain-dead to reality.
Gee... and how will the CLIENT SOFTWARE download the complete song? It will have to reassemble it from the various pieces out there. How will it know where those pieces ARE?? You think that just because you're only holding PART of a song for file sharing, you're skirting the law?? Copyright law in the digital age will become MORE and MORE enforceable, because you'll be reading a LOT about pirates who were shut down by their ISP and blacklisted by all other ISP's, and who now have to resort to a dial-up AOL connection.
I'm getting tired of this, too... tired of the would-be lawyers permeating slashdot with advice to others on "how to fight the battle against big brother" -- even when they're wrong.
CableOne, as do other ISP's, has a clause in it's service agreement stating you'll be shut down if they receive a complaint that you are sharing copyright material.
You think you're going to hire a lawyer and sue your ISP if you get disconnected? Go ahead... you have a lot to learn about the law, lawyers in general, and the cost of litigation. Not to mention the fact that the defendant could ask for court and legal fees when you lose.
I hear so many of you spout your ignorant bullshit about "suing them" that it's sickening. Go pay $15,000 to file a complaint. See where it gets you. Maybe after you lose $50,000 or so, you'll change your mind about your juvenile thoughs.
Lew Payne