Interesting! Thanks for the real world fact. I'm sure it's a matter of time before there's a work-around, but that is supposition on my part, while you have provided verifiable data.
I'm not a developer, so I haven't looked into this aspect very far. Hell, I don't even own an iPhone.
Because what you are saying amounts to one cert per developer's computer, if I'm understanding you correctly. A developer using more than one Mac would need more than one cert? That can't be right! Further, I would hazard the guess that even if this is correct for the $99 cert, provisions have been made for the $299 enterprise cert.
As to your original point, I think you are correct that a group of developers can band together under a single cert (assuming you're wrong on the above point!). The concern about one bad apple spoiling the whole barrel could best be handled by only allowing trusted developers into your "league", or only allowing trusted developers to review the code of other less trusted developers, same as they do for Linux.
So, while this would be problematic for SourceForge, it shouldn't be a problem for you and ten of your closest developer buddies to band together. If there are ten of you, that would only be $9.99 each for a cert, $29.90 for the enterprise cert.
What is a bit interesting is how feeds into the topic of trusted networks, in this case trusted social networks. As this is a pretty huge topic, I'll leave it at that.
I just got back from the future, and in the post apocalyptic road warrior world to come, shiny discs will be the main form of currency. The richest people are those that never threw away their AOL CDs.
Going by weight, emmmmmmaybe we can kind of, sort of call this ultra-portable, but like you, I've always considered the foot print to be an important aspect (I'm typing this on a 12" Powerbook, btw). And just going by the looks of the thing, I'd really love to own it, but not at this price.
I've been a Mac owner since 1991, and my main machines have always been Macs. Currently I'm considering the Asus eee PC, which is both tiny and light, and which seems capable of handling 80% of my computing needs. It's so (comparatively) inexpensive that I'm tempted to buy now, even though I want to wait and see the 2nd generation of eee PCs.
You have some quite novel ideas about intent. It's a good thing you muddied the issue with your last paragraph, which is the only one that holds any water.
If you have an analogy that doesn't sound like sophistry, I'd love to hear it.
I suppose I was over generalizing, but I didn't mean to slight you. I'm shocked, really, that you don't have at least a separate physical volume for your media. Hard drives are cheap! I've been doing more work on my laptop recently, but I keep the media on an external drive.
I honestly don't know of a single pro that uses Premiere. It's all Avid and FCP. Adobe AfterEffects, OTOH, is the compositing and motion graphics workhorse. There's stuff on the slightly higher end and on the high high end, but AE has got to be the most used program in this arena (not including live broadcast).
If you're old school enough to have used an RM440 controller, then you probably know how slow post houses were (and still are, to a degree) to upgrade. But you didn't use it or your decks to check email, browse the web, or buy/rent movies online back then. But what if the equipment had that ability? Would you tweak one of your 3/4" decks to be able to download movies if it might or might not have an adverse effect on the main function of the machine? Even if the tweak was Sony Approved, I think I'd wait until others had done it before putting my livelihood at risk. Or I'd do it on a spare deck, if I had one.
Actually, FCP is not a competitor to AfterEffects, although it does have some compositing tools. Apple has two applications, Motion and Shake. Motion is part of the Final Cut suite while Shake is geared toward higher end work, typically FX type stuff. (A bit of trivia: there was a linux version of Shake before Apple bought the company. I think there was a NT version as well.)
Still, AfterEffects is the industry workhorse outside of the very very high end.
The illusion of impropriety is just a combination of your typical slashdot conspiracy paranoia and bog standard anti-Apple hatred. By the same token I don't think Adobe did this to Apple intentionally.
a) Why would you send the lawyers instead of getting a couple of engineers in your software group to talk to them first? b) In what universe would Apple refuse to fix the problem? c) In what court do you think Adobe have any right to sue Apple for making changes to it's own product?
Like the other poster said: sue first, ask questions later. Welcome to the Slashdot Universe.
We hate lawyers unless we want to sue a company we hate. We don't need any cause beyond hating the company.
In our universe, Apple intentionally sabotages it's own OS components. It's a business strategy called 'Cutting off your head, arms, and legs to spite your face.'
In our universe, the 5 people that wanted Ogg Vorbis support in iPods are the equivalent to both Adobe and the entire film and video industry.
Then you aren't managing them. Look, I know it takes a bit* of finesse to jolly along the creatives, but it's possible, because I've done it and I've seen others do it. You talk to them softly while squeezing their balls. And you set examples. Did you make those early Leopard installers cry? If not, why not?
Creatives are dime a dozen here in L.A. Good creatives. If the ones you've hired don't want to follow simple rules because they're so damn creative, maybe they'd be happier freelancing.
Of course it's Apple's fault. Blaming Apple is not going to get the project completed on deadline, however. Telling the client that it's Apple's fault that you're late doesn't cut it. The jobs go to individuals and organizations that get things done.
I might sound like a scrooge, but I'm really not. I just set firm boundaries and expect people to respect them.
mighty syphilis man This made me so happy to be called this! Seriously, you have no idea. (And if you do, you might want to have that checked out.)
You make a good point about the other layers of the network, especially the hardware level. There was just an interesting story about "drive-by" cracking of wireless routers. Well, that's software, but it does demonstrate how the crackers' repertoire has expanded into other components of the network.
The majority of attacks today are on the OS. No particular OS is safe, of course. However, the epidemiological model does apply where viruses and worms are concerned, because a diverse OS "gene pool" (if you will) can slow and halt the spread of a computer "disease", just as it happens in nature. A virus needs a large enough vector to reach explosive epidemic growth. A homogenous population that is susceptible provides just such a vector, while a heterogeneous population decreases the vector. When the virus hits a non susceptible OS, it's reached a dead end. If the OS gene pool contained three OSes evenly distributed, the virus would only have a one in three chance of infecting the next computer to which it gets passed. Meanwhile, in the homogenous pool, the virus would have a 100% success rate, resulting in an epidemic.
Granted, this is just one tactic against viruses. It wouldn't be successful against a virus that targeted some other subsystem of the network.
Sooooo, anway, thanks for your reply and for overlooking my rudeness and crudeness. You really did make my day with that well deserved name.
Even with that I would have issues since most Macs that I know of only come with one partition on one hard drive, and I'm not prone to reformatting and reinstalling stuff until something breaks, also. I admit that I never tried booting one from a USB drive. Then clearly you are not doing professional video work, and really, none of this controversy applies to you. No offense, but you don't want to be part of the horde of me too-ers getting erections over an Apple screw up that doesn't effect then and that they don't really understand. This is a problem for a very small number of Mac users, most (or all) of whom should have known better.
Your other point, that DRM sucks, is well taken. But you're right. You're "preaching to the choir".
We're not talking about reading email and browsing the web. We're talking about using your system to do heavy lifting. If you've ever compiled gentoo, you might know an equivalent to what I'm talking about.
Seriously, you're asking this? The Apple and Adobe licenses apply to the seat.* You can have has many hard drives attached to the computer in front of that seat as you want, and as many installs on those volumes as you want. You could clone your system drive and use that to test an upgrade, if you were so inclined.
You keep mentioning this training film that caused you to upgrade. What is the name of it?
Funny thing is that at the various facilities I've worked at, there were policies in place about upgrading workstations. Even very small shops have informal policies to not upgrade ANYTHING until the bugs are discovered and ironed out, especially in the middle of a project. Perhaps your client that has dozens of Flash jockeys in it's employ forgot to hire a manager for them?
Good stuff! On the other hand, if you had upgraded distros mid semester and something had screwed up, I'm sure it would have been very educational. =)
I do understand the frustration some people might be feeling. I expect things to work and I'm unhappy when they don't. I think what some people here forget (or never realized) is that computers are not magic boxes. Sad that this is the case on slashdot, which used to be a really geeky site. Geek wannabees like me used to be outnumbered by the real geeks. Oh well. Good luck in school.
You're missing the point. There's this thing called the Quicktime Player. That's not at issue here.
What is at issue is this other thing called Quicktime. It's a technology that provides video services for OS X and applications. Applications such as AfterEffects, Final Cut Pro, etc. and iTunes. A change in this subsystem to support a new feature in iTunes has fucked up support for AfterEffects. Apple fucked up, no doubt about it. But the sky isn't falling and this is not even comparable to MS embedding a browser in their OS to kill Netscape. Not even close.
Just to clarify: It's not the quicktime player that is the issue, it's the quicktime subsystem that is integral to AfterEffects and other pro video applications. Substituting VLC will not solve this. The issue really is much more serious. Bad fuck up on Apple's part. However, I don't think this is really going to bother most video professionals, because they will have waited to upgrade (to see what potential problems might crop up), or they're testing on non-production boxes.
Well, be amazed that software upgrades can fuck up your system, then. Do you think computers are magic boxes?
I said nothing one way or another as an Apple fanboi. I was writing as a film and video professional. Most of us know not to upgrade ANYTHING upon which our livelihoods depend until other braver souls test it first. If you didn't know this and now your project or deadline is FUBAR, it sucks to be you.
I'm not assuming everyone is a sysadmin (c'mon, mac users?). Reread my post.
Maybe the problem is that I'm assuming that most users of Adobe AfterEffects are working professionals. The sorts that can't afford downtime on a project, so they wait until after the project is done before upgrading a major system component. As I said, this is simple stuff. Anyone who makes a living with AfterEffects or any other professional software should have learned this long ago. If you're a pro or a pro wannabe just learning this lesson, welcome to the real world.
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Interesting! Thanks for the real world fact. I'm sure it's a matter of time before there's a work-around, but that is supposition on my part, while you have provided verifiable data.
Are you sure on this point?
I'm not a developer, so I haven't looked into this aspect very far. Hell, I don't even own an iPhone.
Because what you are saying amounts to one cert per developer's computer, if I'm understanding you correctly. A developer using more than one Mac would need more than one cert? That can't be right! Further, I would hazard the guess that even if this is correct for the $99 cert, provisions have been made for the $299 enterprise cert.
As to your original point, I think you are correct that a group of developers can band together under a single cert (assuming you're wrong on the above point!). The concern about one bad apple spoiling the whole barrel could best be handled by only allowing trusted developers into your "league", or only allowing trusted developers to review the code of other less trusted developers, same as they do for Linux.
So, while this would be problematic for SourceForge, it shouldn't be a problem for you and ten of your closest developer buddies to band together. If there are ten of you, that would only be $9.99 each for a cert, $29.90 for the enterprise cert.
What is a bit interesting is how feeds into the topic of trusted networks, in this case trusted social networks. As this is a pretty huge topic, I'll leave it at that.
I can take fine wine and pour it on a piece of bread to try and make a gourmet sandwich. But I doubt anyone would enjoy the soggy results.
I'm a toothless alcoholic, you insensitive clod!
I just got back from the future, and in the post apocalyptic road warrior world to come, shiny discs will be the main form of currency. The richest people are those that never threw away their AOL CDs.
Going by weight, emmmmmmaybe we can kind of, sort of call this ultra-portable, but like you, I've always considered the foot print to be an important aspect (I'm typing this on a 12" Powerbook, btw). And just going by the looks of the thing, I'd really love to own it, but not at this price.
I've been a Mac owner since 1991, and my main machines have always been Macs. Currently I'm considering the Asus eee PC, which is both tiny and light, and which seems capable of handling 80% of my computing needs. It's so (comparatively) inexpensive that I'm tempted to buy now, even though I want to wait and see the 2nd generation of eee PCs.
You have some quite novel ideas about intent. It's a good thing you muddied the issue with your last paragraph, which is the only one that holds any water.
If you have an analogy that doesn't sound like sophistry, I'd love to hear it.
I suppose I was over generalizing, but I didn't mean to slight you. I'm shocked, really, that you don't have at least a separate physical volume for your media. Hard drives are cheap! I've been doing more work on my laptop recently, but I keep the media on an external drive.
I honestly don't know of a single pro that uses Premiere. It's all Avid and FCP. Adobe AfterEffects, OTOH, is the compositing and motion graphics workhorse. There's stuff on the slightly higher end and on the high high end, but AE has got to be the most used program in this arena (not including live broadcast).
If you're old school enough to have used an RM440 controller, then you probably know how slow post houses were (and still are, to a degree) to upgrade. But you didn't use it or your decks to check email, browse the web, or buy/rent movies online back then. But what if the equipment had that ability? Would you tweak one of your 3/4" decks to be able to download movies if it might or might not have an adverse effect on the main function of the machine? Even if the tweak was Sony Approved, I think I'd wait until others had done it before putting my livelihood at risk. Or I'd do it on a spare deck, if I had one.
Actually, FCP is not a competitor to AfterEffects, although it does have some compositing tools. Apple has two applications, Motion and Shake. Motion is part of the Final Cut suite while Shake is geared toward higher end work, typically FX type stuff. (A bit of trivia: there was a linux version of Shake before Apple bought the company. I think there was a NT version as well.)
Still, AfterEffects is the industry workhorse outside of the very very high end.
The illusion of impropriety is just a combination of your typical slashdot conspiracy paranoia and bog standard anti-Apple hatred. By the same token I don't think Adobe did this to Apple intentionally.
b) In what universe would Apple refuse to fix the problem?
c) In what court do you think Adobe have any right to sue Apple for making changes to it's own product?
Like the other poster said: sue first, ask questions later. Welcome to the Slashdot Universe.
We hate lawyers unless we want to sue a company we hate. We don't need any cause beyond hating the company.
In our universe, Apple intentionally sabotages it's own OS components. It's a business strategy called 'Cutting off your head, arms, and legs to spite your face.'
In our universe, the 5 people that wanted Ogg Vorbis support in iPods are the equivalent to both Adobe and the entire film and video industry.
Then you aren't managing them. Look, I know it takes a bit* of finesse to jolly along the creatives, but it's possible, because I've done it and I've seen others do it. You talk to them softly while squeezing their balls. And you set examples. Did you make those early Leopard installers cry? If not, why not?
Creatives are dime a dozen here in L.A. Good creatives. If the ones you've hired don't want to follow simple rules because they're so damn creative, maybe they'd be happier freelancing.
Of course it's Apple's fault. Blaming Apple is not going to get the project completed on deadline, however. Telling the client that it's Apple's fault that you're late doesn't cut it. The jobs go to individuals and organizations that get things done.
I might sound like a scrooge, but I'm really not. I just set firm boundaries and expect people to respect them.
*(nominated for understatement of the year)
You make a good point about the other layers of the network, especially the hardware level. There was just an interesting story about "drive-by" cracking of wireless routers. Well, that's software, but it does demonstrate how the crackers' repertoire has expanded into other components of the network.
The majority of attacks today are on the OS. No particular OS is safe, of course. However, the epidemiological model does apply where viruses and worms are concerned, because a diverse OS "gene pool" (if you will) can slow and halt the spread of a computer "disease", just as it happens in nature. A virus needs a large enough vector to reach explosive epidemic growth. A homogenous population that is susceptible provides just such a vector, while a heterogeneous population decreases the vector. When the virus hits a non susceptible OS, it's reached a dead end. If the OS gene pool contained three OSes evenly distributed, the virus would only have a one in three chance of infecting the next computer to which it gets passed. Meanwhile, in the homogenous pool, the virus would have a 100% success rate, resulting in an epidemic.
Granted, this is just one tactic against viruses. It wouldn't be successful against a virus that targeted some other subsystem of the network.
Sooooo, anway, thanks for your reply and for overlooking my rudeness and crudeness. You really did make my day with that well deserved name.
or electricity.
Your other point, that DRM sucks, is well taken. But you're right. You're "preaching to the choir".
We're not talking about reading email and browsing the web. We're talking about using your system to do heavy lifting. If you've ever compiled gentoo, you might know an equivalent to what I'm talking about.
Seriously, you're asking this? The Apple and Adobe licenses apply to the seat.* You can have has many hard drives attached to the computer in front of that seat as you want, and as many installs on those volumes as you want. You could clone your system drive and use that to test an upgrade, if you were so inclined.
*(unless you've got a site or enterprise license)
I have no idea what the Windows requirements are.
You keep mentioning this training film that caused you to upgrade. What is the name of it?
Funny thing is that at the various facilities I've worked at, there were policies in place about upgrading workstations. Even very small shops have informal policies to not upgrade ANYTHING until the bugs are discovered and ironed out, especially in the middle of a project. Perhaps your client that has dozens of Flash jockeys in it's employ forgot to hire a manager for them?
Good stuff! On the other hand, if you had upgraded distros mid semester and something had screwed up, I'm sure it would have been very educational. =)
I do understand the frustration some people might be feeling. I expect things to work and I'm unhappy when they don't. I think what some people here forget (or never realized) is that computers are not magic boxes. Sad that this is the case on slashdot, which used to be a really geeky site. Geek wannabees like me used to be outnumbered by the real geeks. Oh well. Good luck in school.
I'm confused. Are you saying that Apple intended to break AfterEffects?
I'd bet that next week or the week after, Apple will have a fix out. But don't let that stop your class action law suit nor soften you erection.
Does he really hate Apple? I thought he was just a moron.
You're missing the point. There's this thing called the Quicktime Player. That's not at issue here.
What is at issue is this other thing called Quicktime. It's a technology that provides video services for OS X and applications. Applications such as AfterEffects, Final Cut Pro, etc. and iTunes. A change in this subsystem to support a new feature in iTunes has fucked up support for AfterEffects. Apple fucked up, no doubt about it. But the sky isn't falling and this is not even comparable to MS embedding a browser in their OS to kill Netscape. Not even close.
Just to clarify: It's not the quicktime player that is the issue, it's the quicktime subsystem that is integral to AfterEffects and other pro video applications. Substituting VLC will not solve this. The issue really is much more serious. Bad fuck up on Apple's part. However, I don't think this is really going to bother most video professionals, because they will have waited to upgrade (to see what potential problems might crop up), or they're testing on non-production boxes.
Well, be amazed that software upgrades can fuck up your system, then. Do you think computers are magic boxes?
I said nothing one way or another as an Apple fanboi. I was writing as a film and video professional. Most of us know not to upgrade ANYTHING upon which our livelihoods depend until other braver souls test it first. If you didn't know this and now your project or deadline is FUBAR, it sucks to be you.
I'm not assuming everyone is a sysadmin (c'mon, mac users?). Reread my post.
Maybe the problem is that I'm assuming that most users of Adobe AfterEffects are working professionals. The sorts that can't afford downtime on a project, so they wait until after the project is done before upgrading a major system component. As I said, this is simple stuff. Anyone who makes a living with AfterEffects or any other professional software should have learned this long ago. If you're a pro or a pro wannabe just learning this lesson, welcome to the real world.
Wait, DTrace IS Linux? No wonder people are so fucking pissed. Steve Jobs broke Linux! I finally understand why RMS is revolting.