My computer can already do all of this, without some fancy package from Intel. I'll be interested to see how this goes...
You pretty much nailed it. This is about packaging and marketing. Now what would be nice would be if they packaged some nice open source software, polished it up, and gave it back to the community. More likely they'll go with Redmond, though.
Thanks for your forthrightness. Given that there is no way to check that you are who you say you are, you sound convincing and you've probably saved me from the embarrassment of defending Lee as a martyr. Thank you for sharing your insiders view point.
The tunes have DRM in them. iTunes unlocks the DRM to play it. That is the iffy step. What if in future releases of iTunes doesn't support the old songs? What if Apple abandons iTunes, and the old legacy versions of iTunes don't run on MacOS 11? What if Apple goes of business?
Sure, you can probably keep the file forever, but what good is it if you can't play it?
Those are possible, but unlikely. And in the event that they any of those situations come to pass, guess what? Someone will write a utility to unlock the old DRM. It's already happened at least once, and it'll happen again. Perfectly legal. Why do you think Apple didn't sue Real? Do you think Apple is afraid of bad publicity from a law suit? =)
One other thing that might or might not mean anything to you. For the last 10 years, I've kept between 2 and 5 computers. Normal geek thing. Currently, I'm down to three. My laptop, my desktop, and a 12 year old piece of shit that I keep to occasionally play that one game I really like that won't play on anything newer. I got rid of the other two because I just didn't need them, they took up too much space, and they were more trouble than they were worth maintaining. But I'm keeping that old junk because playing that game is important to me. Might I suggest that if the music is important to me I'll find a way to play them. At least it's possible with Apple's DRM.
Now, if you are suggesting to me that the better long term value is to buy a CD and rip it, I'll heartily agree. We have no argument. If I'm right and you're wrong about Apple going out of business or no longer supporting iTunes, CDs are still going to be the better value, in general.
Only in the same sense that paying whatever/month to your ISP for internet access gives you vague permission to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. When you buy through iTunes, at least you know you have a legitimate authorized copy. If it's not, that's Apple's problem not yours.
On the other hand, if the RIAA ever decided to go after downloaders (IIRC, they're only targetting uploaders still), and they were able to trace you, it would be your problem, not your ISPs and not your news group provider.
OK, that's it, buster. Turn in your slashdot card. You're not supposed to read beyond whatever pisses you off enough to reply with a flame. And acknowledging that another perspective is valid, let alone that there can be even more than one sane point of view. Tsk tsk.
How, exactly? Steve Jobs personally comes over and wipes my hard drive? Bill Gates buys the rights to iTunes and slips in code that makes my computer blow up?
Apple cannot arbitrarily "cancel" the songs I bought from iTMS. They cannot decide arbitrarily to start charging me a monthly fee for the songs I already bought from them. They might be able to change the terms of future purchases, but they can't change the terms of purchase for something I have already bought. However, when you rent month to month, whomever you're renting from can change the terms. Unless you've got rent control. How likely do you think it is that Congress will pass music rent control legislation?
So, you're going to be walking around in 10 years with the same iPod? Might be kinda funny in a retro-sort of way, but eventually there will be other products with better "value propositions" and they may not be Apple-compatible.
Well, by that reasoning, anytime you spend money on anything that doesn't give you a return that you can value in money, you've "burned your investment".
That's why I walk around naked. I'd spend money on clothes, but they'd wear out, or I'd get fat, and then I'd just be burning my investment. It really sucks how these clothing manufacturers lock you in to buying clothes, even if you don't follow fashion.
BuHahahahahahaha!!! I got moderated flamebait for that? I'm the biggest Apple Zealot there is. I met Steve Jobs at MWSF, and I kissed his ring, right before security threw me out onto Howard Street. I'm planning on buying a shuffle just so I can shove it up my ass and then tell total strangers, "Hey, I've got 240 songs . . ..up my butt.
I'm also both an Applelitist and a Macublican. So there. =P
yes, but people buy houses cause of tax advantages and property values rising over time, your music collection does not equal a 300k rise in market value of my house in last 2 years
Yes, those are reasons that go into the decision to buy a house. But the number one reason that people buy houses is because they want to own a house. Apparently this isn't as obvious as I thought it was.
Actually, if you gave someone the song and deleted it from your various systems at the same time, that would be just as legal as giving someone a CD you had purchased and listened to.
Now, using hymn might open you up to DMCA problems, so in that sense there's a lock.
On the other hand, if you died, you could leave your iTMS collection to someone, merely by giving them your iTMS password. So the music doesn't disappear or go away if you die.
I'm a happy iPod owner and I have no interest in renting my music, but here are the numbers. The last number is how many years you'd need to subscribe to break the $10,000 mark.
I guess if someone spends more than 180/month on music every year, year after year, this might be a good deal. But you really got to wonder, how long will napster be around?
I don't follow your argument. Let's say that I own an iPod mini and I shop at iTMS, and I've bought 100 songs. So I've spent a total of $349 plus tax.
Now "something happens" to make iTMS/iPod a bad value proposition. What? What could happen?
Wallmart starts selling all their Windows DRM songs for $.50? How has this devalued by purchase? There really isn't a market for previously purchased songs, where I could recoup my investment, like one can with physical CDs, so it's not like the bottom dropped out on my "investment". I can still enjoy what I purchased.
Apple goes out of business and stops selling iPods (God forbid). Again, how does this effect my enjoyment of my purchase? I can still listen to the music on my iPod. If the battery eventually wears out, I purchase a replacement from a third party, like I was planning to anyway. The DRM songs won't stop playing because Apple no longer exists. The DRM isn't subscription based. The music doesn't die after a month. And I can still load MP3s onto the iPod.
Those are the only two examples I can think of, and in neither one do I "burn my investment".
The AC must be one of those liberal Applelitists or a rightwing Macubplican. You know, everytime you fail to buy a song from iTunes instead and buy it elsewhere, Steve Jobs kills a kitten.
If Lee had a long history of security lapses, how did things get so far? Why wasn't he disciplined or fired long before it ever became a criminal manner?
You say you were aware of his laxness and lapses. Did you ever try to do anything about it?
Hmmmm. I think your speaking of a specific kind of hate. I do see your point, but I think you're going at it the wrong way. Or perhaps not the wrong way, but a different direction than I am thinking.
Let me elaborate: Unless you are extremely isolated, you probably at least come into contact with people from different cultural backgrounds, perhaps even people born in other countries. And you don't instinctively hate them, do you? Didn't think so.
And yet, if something were wrong in a person's life (for example, unemployment) or if there were something wrong in that person's community (again, let's use unemployment as an example), that person would be much more susceptible to suggestions that the fault wasn't with the person or with persons like him in the community, but the fault was with someone outside the group.
This is where race, nationality, and culture come in to play. When the body is threatened, either one's personal body or the body of the community, the reaction is to close oneself off to what ever is attacking you (or that you think is attacking you) coming from the outside. If a person is genuinely being attacked, this is the obvious and proper response.
However, I'm sure you know someone who incorrectly sees external threats when the problem is actually internal. Actually, I think most people do this to a certain extent. We cannot accept responsibility so we blame someone else. While not healthy, this is certainly typical human behavior, and unless you're a saint, you probably engage in it to a certain extent. However, if you're a mature adult, you catch yourself at it and don't let it get out of hand. If you're really wise, you examine yourself for whatever shortcoming and work to correct it, instead of projecting it onto some enemy.
Perhaps you can see how this could apply to groups, especially large groups. In a time of crisis, the group is even more likely to project internal problems onto external "enemies". Unless cooler heads prevail, a group can often turn into a mob. Mobs are hard to control, but easy to manipulate. The right person or persons can whip of the emotions of a group (or nation) through fear and hate. We've seen this throughout history. Just repeat the word "terrorist" often enough and you can even get re-elected.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you bash fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a bash terminal for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to grep a dev/null on the hard drive. 20 minutes. At home, on tsch, which by all standards should be a lot slower than bash, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this grep, ls will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even emacs is straining to keep up as I type this.
I salute your selflessness and willingness to help others. I hope you are able to put these qualities of yours to good use when you become an attorney.
My first reaction was that you were obviously joking, because you must know the amount of effort and man power it takes to bring a class action case to fruition. Even if you volunteer your services full time, how do you pay for your staff? So of course, the idea is absurd on the face of it. Even if the intentions behind the joke are good ones, it's still a joke.
Or is it? What have we learned about open source community effort from the example of Groklaw? Groklaw has pioneered the use of open source methodology in information and education on legal matters. It's even possible that attorneys from any of the parties involved in the various cases are using Groklaw as they prepare their cases; indeed, we know that Groklaw has been mentioned several times in court (I think once in the CD case and once in the IBM case.)
Would it be possible to go further? To use an open source methodology to bring a case to trial? I think this is an interesting question, although there are some obvious problems with the idea. For one, if it's truly OS, then all your cards are out on the table where the adversary can see them. This is a bad way to play poker, and it's probably not a good way to practice law. I'm sure there are many other problems. Attorney-client privilege, witnesses needing confidentiality, sealed records.
Still, it's an interesting idea, and maybe one that you've thought of before.
Fortunately, that's not the way the law works. Read what you wrote. You want to punish them and make an example of them, even if they are innocent. You want a witch hunt.
I'm not saying that the SEC shouldn't investigate. I wrote to the SEC over a year ago on this matter, urging them to look into manipulations of the stock market.
Your wish to pervert the process of justice to go after Darl puts you on the same level as Darl, I'm afraid. Please rethink your position.
Are there firewire/USB devices that will allow this?
Do you have a DV camcorder with pass thru, that will allow you to convert the signal to firewire? If not, it might be cheaper to build your own MythTV linux box.
However, while the Mac mini solution might be more expensive, you are also getting a Mac mini, which to me would be preferable.
I believe that SCO is suing for breach of contract... which isn't covered by tort law.
Thanks. I had a faulty definition of tort in my head that I picked up from it's usage. I have now looked up what it really means.
And you still have a faulty definition of tort in your head. While contracts are certainly covered by contract law for the most part, breach of contracts can certainly be covered by tort law.
But rather than rely on the opinions of myself or the GP, why not look it up for yourself. You need not be ignorant of the legal system any longer.
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My computer can already do all of this, without some fancy package from Intel. I'll be interested to see how this goes...
You pretty much nailed it. This is about packaging and marketing. Now what would be nice would be if they packaged some nice open source software, polished it up, and gave it back to the community. More likely they'll go with Redmond, though.
Thanks for your forthrightness. Given that there is no way to check that you are who you say you are, you sound convincing and you've probably saved me from the embarrassment of defending Lee as a martyr. Thank you for sharing your insiders view point.
The tunes have DRM in them. iTunes unlocks the DRM to play it. That is the iffy step. What if in future releases of iTunes doesn't support the old songs? What if Apple abandons iTunes, and the old legacy versions of iTunes don't run on MacOS 11? What if Apple goes of business?
Sure, you can probably keep the file forever, but what good is it if you can't play it?
Those are possible, but unlikely. And in the event that they any of those situations come to pass, guess what? Someone will write a utility to unlock the old DRM. It's already happened at least once, and it'll happen again. Perfectly legal. Why do you think Apple didn't sue Real? Do you think Apple is afraid of bad publicity from a law suit? =)
One other thing that might or might not mean anything to you. For the last 10 years, I've kept between 2 and 5 computers. Normal geek thing. Currently, I'm down to three. My laptop, my desktop, and a 12 year old piece of shit that I keep to occasionally play that one game I really like that won't play on anything newer. I got rid of the other two because I just didn't need them, they took up too much space, and they were more trouble than they were worth maintaining. But I'm keeping that old junk because playing that game is important to me. Might I suggest that if the music is important to me I'll find a way to play them. At least it's possible with Apple's DRM.
Now, if you are suggesting to me that the better long term value is to buy a CD and rip it, I'll heartily agree. We have no argument. If I'm right and you're wrong about Apple going out of business or no longer supporting iTunes, CDs are still going to be the better value, in general.
Only in the same sense that paying whatever/month to your ISP for internet access gives you vague permission to make unauthorized copies of copyrighted works. When you buy through iTunes, at least you know you have a legitimate authorized copy. If it's not, that's Apple's problem not yours.
On the other hand, if the RIAA ever decided to go after downloaders (IIRC, they're only targetting uploaders still), and they were able to trace you, it would be your problem, not your ISPs and not your news group provider.
I need to work that into a .sig.
OK, that's it, buster. Turn in your slashdot card. You're not supposed to read beyond whatever pisses you off enough to reply with a flame. And acknowledging that another perspective is valid, let alone that there can be even more than one sane point of view. Tsk tsk.
What are we coming to?
How, exactly? Steve Jobs personally comes over and wipes my hard drive? Bill Gates buys the rights to iTunes and slips in code that makes my computer blow up?
Apple cannot arbitrarily "cancel" the songs I bought from iTMS. They cannot decide arbitrarily to start charging me a monthly fee for the songs I already bought from them. They might be able to change the terms of future purchases, but they can't change the terms of purchase for something I have already bought. However, when you rent month to month, whomever you're renting from can change the terms. Unless you've got rent control. How likely do you think it is that Congress will pass music rent control legislation?
They'll be waiting a while then. Unless terrorists take out the grid, I can recharge the battery in my iPod.
So, you're going to be walking around in 10 years with the same iPod? Might be kinda funny in a retro-sort of way, but eventually there will be other products with better "value propositions" and they may not be Apple-compatible.
Well, by that reasoning, anytime you spend money on anything that doesn't give you a return that you can value in money, you've "burned your investment".
That's why I walk around naked. I'd spend money on clothes, but they'd wear out, or I'd get fat, and then I'd just be burning my investment. It really sucks how these clothing manufacturers lock you in to buying clothes, even if you don't follow fashion.
BuHahahahahahaha!!! I got moderated flamebait for that? I'm the biggest Apple Zealot there is. I met Steve Jobs at MWSF, and I kissed his ring, right before security threw me out onto Howard Street. I'm planning on buying a shuffle just so I can shove it up my ass and then tell total strangers, "Hey, I've got 240 songs . . . .up my butt.
I'm also both an Applelitist and a Macublican. So there. =P
yes, but people buy houses cause of tax advantages and property values rising over time, your music collection does not equal a 300k rise in market value of my house in last 2 years
Yes, those are reasons that go into the decision to buy a house. But the number one reason that people buy houses is because they want to own a house. Apparently this isn't as obvious as I thought it was.
Actually, if you gave someone the song and deleted it from your various systems at the same time, that would be just as legal as giving someone a CD you had purchased and listened to.
Now, using hymn might open you up to DMCA problems, so in that sense there's a lock.
On the other hand, if you died, you could leave your iTMS collection to someone, merely by giving them your iTMS password. So the music doesn't disappear or go away if you die.
I'm a happy iPod owner and I have no interest in renting my music, but here are the numbers. The last number is how many years you'd need to subscribe to break the $10,000 mark.
I guess if someone spends more than 180/month on music every year, year after year, this might be a good deal. But you really got to wonder, how long will napster be around?
12 m * $15
= $180
$180 * 20 y
= $3600
$180 * 40 y
= $7200
$10000 / $180 per year
= 55.555555555556 y
I don't follow your argument. Let's say that I own an iPod mini and I shop at iTMS, and I've bought 100 songs. So I've spent a total of $349 plus tax.
Now "something happens" to make iTMS/iPod a bad value proposition. What? What could happen?
Wallmart starts selling all their Windows DRM songs for $.50? How has this devalued by purchase? There really isn't a market for previously purchased songs, where I could recoup my investment, like one can with physical CDs, so it's not like the bottom dropped out on my "investment". I can still enjoy what I purchased.
Apple goes out of business and stops selling iPods (God forbid). Again, how does this effect my enjoyment of my purchase? I can still listen to the music on my iPod. If the battery eventually wears out, I purchase a replacement from a third party, like I was planning to anyway. The DRM songs won't stop playing because Apple no longer exists. The DRM isn't subscription based. The music doesn't die after a month. And I can still load MP3s onto the iPod.
Those are the only two examples I can think of, and in neither one do I "burn my investment".
The AC must be one of those liberal Applelitists or a rightwing Macubplican. You know, everytime you fail to buy a song from iTunes instead and buy it elsewhere, Steve Jobs kills a kitten.
If Lee had a long history of security lapses, how did things get so far? Why wasn't he disciplined or fired long before it ever became a criminal manner?
You say you were aware of his laxness and lapses. Did you ever try to do anything about it?
Hmmmm. I think your speaking of a specific kind of hate. I do see your point, but I think you're going at it the wrong way. Or perhaps not the wrong way, but a different direction than I am thinking.
Let me elaborate: Unless you are extremely isolated, you probably at least come into contact with people from different cultural backgrounds, perhaps even people born in other countries. And you don't instinctively hate them, do you? Didn't think so.
And yet, if something were wrong in a person's life (for example, unemployment) or if there were something wrong in that person's community (again, let's use unemployment as an example), that person would be much more susceptible to suggestions that the fault wasn't with the person or with persons like him in the community, but the fault was with someone outside the group.
This is where race, nationality, and culture come in to play. When the body is threatened, either one's personal body or the body of the community, the reaction is to close oneself off to what ever is attacking you (or that you think is attacking you) coming from the outside. If a person is genuinely being attacked, this is the obvious and proper response.
However, I'm sure you know someone who incorrectly sees external threats when the problem is actually internal. Actually, I think most people do this to a certain extent. We cannot accept responsibility so we blame someone else. While not healthy, this is certainly typical human behavior, and unless you're a saint, you probably engage in it to a certain extent. However, if you're a mature adult, you catch yourself at it and don't let it get out of hand. If you're really wise, you examine yourself for whatever shortcoming and work to correct it, instead of projecting it onto some enemy.
Perhaps you can see how this could apply to groups, especially large groups. In a time of crisis, the group is even more likely to project internal problems onto external "enemies". Unless cooler heads prevail, a group can often turn into a mob. Mobs are hard to control, but easy to manipulate. The right person or persons can whip of the emotions of a group (or nation) through fear and hate. We've seen this throughout history. Just repeat the word "terrorist" often enough and you can even get re-elected.
Maybe his second monitor is 14 feet (diagonally) from the laptops display.
The mindstorm is under armored and under gunned. What if Osama was hiding down there?
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you bash fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a bash terminal for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to grep a dev/null on the hard drive. 20 minutes. At home, on tsch, which by all standards should be a lot slower than bash, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this grep, ls will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even emacs is straining to keep up as I type this.
Hahahahahaha! I kill myself sometimes.
I salute your selflessness and willingness to help others. I hope you are able to put these qualities of yours to good use when you become an attorney.
My first reaction was that you were obviously joking, because you must know the amount of effort and man power it takes to bring a class action case to fruition. Even if you volunteer your services full time, how do you pay for your staff? So of course, the idea is absurd on the face of it. Even if the intentions behind the joke are good ones, it's still a joke.
Or is it? What have we learned about open source community effort from the example of Groklaw? Groklaw has pioneered the use of open source methodology in information and education on legal matters. It's even possible that attorneys from any of the parties involved in the various cases are using Groklaw as they prepare their cases; indeed, we know that Groklaw has been mentioned several times in court (I think once in the CD case and once in the IBM case.)
Would it be possible to go further? To use an open source methodology to bring a case to trial? I think this is an interesting question, although there are some obvious problems with the idea. For one, if it's truly OS, then all your cards are out on the table where the adversary can see them. This is a bad way to play poker, and it's probably not a good way to practice law. I'm sure there are many other problems. Attorney-client privilege, witnesses needing confidentiality, sealed records.
Still, it's an interesting idea, and maybe one that you've thought of before.
Fortunately, that's not the way the law works. Read what you wrote. You want to punish them and make an example of them, even if they are innocent. You want a witch hunt.
I'm not saying that the SEC shouldn't investigate. I wrote to the SEC over a year ago on this matter, urging them to look into manipulations of the stock market.
Your wish to pervert the process of justice to go after Darl puts you on the same level as Darl, I'm afraid. Please rethink your position.
Are there firewire/USB devices that will allow this?
Do you have a DV camcorder with pass thru, that will allow you to convert the signal to firewire? If not, it might be cheaper to build your own MythTV linux box.
However, while the Mac mini solution might be more expensive, you are also getting a Mac mini, which to me would be preferable.
Thanks. I had a faulty definition of tort in my head that I picked up from it's usage. I have now looked up what it really means.
And you still have a faulty definition of tort in your head. While contracts are certainly covered by contract law for the most part, breach of contracts can certainly be covered by tort law.
But rather than rely on the opinions of myself or the GP, why not look it up for yourself. You need not be ignorant of the legal system any longer.
I use tcsh you insensitive clod!