Because the name of the band is short for De-evolution, which implies that there was evolution to begin with. We can't have the state endorsing anything that strays from the path of Creation Science.
I'm glad I don't live there -- not only does the AG feel the need to be moral daddy, but the libraries think it's appropriate for the AG to do their work for them. Ugh.
Don't confuse a lobbying group that depends on being able to "work" with the politicians with the librarians in the trenches (or the libraries). The librarians weren't given any choice in the matter. Some might have rejected the material, and some might not have. That is their perogative, not the AG's.
Dude, it was a settlement. Kansas and other states made the settlement. So, yes, they could have said "piss off". Or they could have intelligently structured the settlement in a way that allowed librarians to choose which CDs were given, not the RIAA and not the politicians.
This AG Kline sounds like another politician from the McCarthy mold.
No, the problem is with who does the deciding and that's what makes it censorship. The librarians themselves should have been able to choose, not the AC, (I mean AG), and not some lobby group that is probably plugged in closer to the politicians than to it's constituents.
1) The libraries don't get to pick what they get. So who cares if they are getting the same "value" in merchandise, they don't buy stuff people aren't interested in, so the discs are a waste.
Which makes this an even greater travesty. If the AG is censoring, you know that there's material there that people would actually want to borrow from the library.
Instead the AG wants to limit the distribution to the great mass of "politically harmless" crap that no one will borrow from the library.
You're forgetting that it also costs money to keep the surplus in warehouses. So this is actually saving the record companies a lot of money. They're coming out way ahead.
Well, why stop there? The library has lots of objectionable books for which the majority in the community has no use. Should we stand by and let the government condone these books by allowing them to remain in the library? After all, if an individual has access to them, they can always buy them, correct?
I think we need to form a committee to determine which books we keep and which we burn. We don't want anyone to think we're immoral because we have immoral books in our libraries. Such decisions are too important to leave in the hands of egg-headed liberal librarians, anyway.
A right to free speech would be absurd if it was limited to speaking in or when alone. For free speech to be meaningful, there must be the freedom for others to hear it if they choose to hear it.
I suggest you cure your own ignorance by reading a bit more about the first amendment and the principle of free speech before making further fallacious interpretations. Read everything, especially things on both sides of the issues.
1) You admire him and condone his actions because he was covering his ass and doing the politically expedient thing? No wonder Kansas is so fucked up, if the majority believes as you do.
2) Maybe leave it up to the Libraries themselves, rather than the politicians or some lobbying group (the KLA) to decide which "gifts" are unsuitable and which they want to accept?
3) You are assuming that everyone is just like you. Please don't. Why should a library be limited to "publically accepted" works? If the majority of a community were liberal democrats, and they kept books by conservative republicans out of the stacks because they didn't feel they were publicly acceptable, that would be OK with you?
4) You might be in a position to purchase whatever media you see fit to purchase, not everyone is. Whether due to availability or due to finances, don't assume everyone has the same access to whatever they want that you do.
Public libraries are there to serve the public. This includes serving minorities and individuals, not just the majority.
The fact that an otherwise intelligent person such as yourself holds such views scares me.
I agree with you. Like most people from Kansas, I'm far too lazy to supervise my own kids. The government should do it. Why else do I pay taxes and vote Republican? As far as I can see the AG is just doing God's work.
I agree that it was a lousy settlement, though. The RIAA should be donating guns to our libraries. How cool would that be? A gun lending library!
Right, and surplus books are then sold by the Friends of the Library group to help fund activities at the library. So, if the individual library didn't want the CDs on the shelves, they would have found a use for them.
I've also seen what sort of books get donated to libraries. Nobody wants your old outdated tech manuals, so you'd be better off pulping them. Romance novels with broken spines and sticky pages are similarly unwanted. My guess is that your rejected books were crap that no one would really want on their shelves. (Still, they didn't reject all your books, did they? You should still be commended for you actions.)
Some people are so desperate for heroes, scientific or otherwise, that they want to gloss over the rough spots. Given Newton's times, alchemy and astrology were not that far out of the mainstream and indeed had their part in the development of the sciences as the world moved out of the Medieval Period.
Research into a field that didn't prove fruitful, indeed into what we consider a sham today, doesn't in any way dim Newton's other achievements. It's a mistake to judge by our knowledge today, that was built on Newton's original work.
Just as silly, and on topic, is what I do sometimes, when the mood hits. When I'm pushing a cart at the grocery store I make engine sounds. At the corners, I make squealing brake noises. If the supermarket is uncrowded late at night and I'm with a friend, I'll challenge them to a race down the aisle.
The economy is doing wonderfully since the big tax cut. All those wealthy people who recieved thousands or even millions of dollars from the government went out and created jobs with that money, right?
I'm sure there are tech jobs being created, because there's a new McDonald's going up near my house. The new fryers are pretty high tech, so the fry cooks must be qualified IT professionals right?
And never mind the jobs report. Thirtythree thousand jobs is a shitload of jobs when you think about it. Besides, it was just a blip. The overall trend line is definitely on the upside, and we're sure to see some positive gains in the second half.
And I'm sure we'll see real cheap oil any day now. Just as soon as that Yukos thingie resolves itself. Or when we drill in ANWAR, as God intended.
You're all a bunch of pessimists, especially those of you that have been unemployed for longer than six months. And it's your pessimism that is dragging the economy down. So cheer up. Got that unemployed people? You're the problem and the American people aren't going to put up with it much longer. Get a job, hippy.
Oh, yeah, I'd blame it on Open Source, but it should be obvious from the above that I'm too ignorant to know what Open Source is.
I'm sorry I wasn't more explicit. You've got to read between the lines. The FCC under the current adminsitration has been extremely pro-deregulation, the result being that the media interests have become even more powerful. And ironically, these same media interests are attempting to get the FCC to regulate the little guy, the consumer.
In other words, the current adminsitration is against regulation when it helps big media, but is for regulation when it helps big media.
The original charter of the FCC was in part to regulate the media companies for the public good.
It's corporate welfare, and it's bordering on the system Italy had under facism (Paging steve godwin!).
Both the Democratic and the Republican Parties are to blame, but the extent we are seeing today is unprecedented. Part of the problem is that one party currently controls both the legislature and the Presidency (and one might argue the juduciary). That is way too much power for any one party to handle without problems of corruption.
t's a trendy excuse though("it's all due to damn videogames"), and people need excuses(they could just as well be books or movies.. ).. but blaming something that was found at victims home??? that's just fucking lame.
We have a complicated world with complicated problems. Much of the problems are due to the way the system has worked itself out, with business interests in control of the government.
Many people know there is much that is wrong in America and in the world, but aren't willing to look at the complexity of the issues or question themselves. Instead, they look for the easy answers.
How much easier is it to blame violence on videogames rather than parental responsibility and the easy availability of guns? How much easier is it to blame the destabilization of the family on gay marriage rather than on an economic system that pushes more and more families into poverty or not able to spend enough time with the family due to both parents working full time?
When opportunists try to scapegoat someone instead of trying to solve the real problems, we must stop them. The same people that blame gay marriage are the same people blaming video games are the same people blaming music.
I just had such an encounter a few days ago, a 25 year old who kept attacking corpses lying on the ground in gta3:vc, making noises with his mouth. (later on I realized he does the same with movies heh!)
So excuse the hell out of me that you didn't read the greatgrandfather post for comprehension. But one thing I definitely agree on. We could all use more cowbell.
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Because the name of the band is short for De-evolution, which implies that there was evolution to begin with. We can't have the state endorsing anything that strays from the path of Creation Science.
I'm glad I don't live there -- not only does the AG feel the need to be moral daddy, but the libraries think it's appropriate for the AG to do their work for them. Ugh.
Don't confuse a lobbying group that depends on being able to "work" with the politicians with the librarians in the trenches (or the libraries). The librarians weren't given any choice in the matter. Some might have rejected the material, and some might not have. That is their perogative, not the AG's.
Dude, it was a settlement. Kansas and other states made the settlement. So, yes, they could have said "piss off". Or they could have intelligently structured the settlement in a way that allowed librarians to choose which CDs were given, not the RIAA and not the politicians.
This AG Kline sounds like another politician from the McCarthy mold.
No, the problem is with who does the deciding and that's what makes it censorship. The librarians themselves should have been able to choose, not the AC, (I mean AG), and not some lobby group that is probably plugged in closer to the politicians than to it's constituents.
1) The libraries don't get to pick what they get. So who cares if they are getting the same "value" in merchandise, they don't buy stuff people aren't interested in, so the discs are a waste.
Which makes this an even greater travesty. If the AG is censoring, you know that there's material there that people would actually want to borrow from the library.
Instead the AG wants to limit the distribution to the great mass of "politically harmless" crap that no one will borrow from the library.
You're forgetting that it also costs money to keep the surplus in warehouses. So this is actually saving the record companies a lot of money. They're coming out way ahead.
Well, why stop there? The library has lots of objectionable books for which the majority in the community has no use. Should we stand by and let the government condone these books by allowing them to remain in the library? After all, if an individual has access to them, they can always buy them, correct?
I think we need to form a committee to determine which books we keep and which we burn. We don't want anyone to think we're immoral because we have immoral books in our libraries. Such decisions are too important to leave in the hands of egg-headed liberal librarians, anyway.
A right to free speech would be absurd if it was limited to speaking in or when alone. For free speech to be meaningful, there must be the freedom for others to hear it if they choose to hear it.
I suggest you cure your own ignorance by reading a bit more about the first amendment and the principle of free speech before making further fallacious interpretations. Read everything, especially things on both sides of the issues.
1) You admire him and condone his actions because he was covering his ass and doing the politically expedient thing? No wonder Kansas is so fucked up, if the majority believes as you do.
2) Maybe leave it up to the Libraries themselves, rather than the politicians or some lobbying group (the KLA) to decide which "gifts" are unsuitable and which they want to accept?
3) You are assuming that everyone is just like you. Please don't. Why should a library be limited to "publically accepted" works? If the majority of a community were liberal democrats, and they kept books by conservative republicans out of the stacks because they didn't feel they were publicly acceptable, that would be OK with you?
4) You might be in a position to purchase whatever media you see fit to purchase, not everyone is. Whether due to availability or due to finances, don't assume everyone has the same access to whatever they want that you do.
Public libraries are there to serve the public. This includes serving minorities and individuals, not just the majority.
The fact that an otherwise intelligent person such as yourself holds such views scares me.
I agree with you. Like most people from Kansas, I'm far too lazy to supervise my own kids. The government should do it. Why else do I pay taxes and vote Republican? As far as I can see the AG is just doing God's work.
I agree that it was a lousy settlement, though. The RIAA should be donating guns to our libraries. How cool would that be? A gun lending library!
If it weren't for Metal Machine Music, we wouldn't have Lester Bang's review of it. And then the world would indeed be a poorer place.
If that was Mr. Demmings entire review, then I'd have to say he's a bit clueless. Alas, you provided no link for verification.
There's a joke in there, but I'm not going to sully myself by stating the obvious. =)
Right, and surplus books are then sold by the Friends of the Library group to help fund activities at the library. So, if the individual library didn't want the CDs on the shelves, they would have found a use for them.
I've also seen what sort of books get donated to libraries. Nobody wants your old outdated tech manuals, so you'd be better off pulping them. Romance novels with broken spines and sticky pages are similarly unwanted. My guess is that your rejected books were crap that no one would really want on their shelves. (Still, they didn't reject all your books, did they? You should still be commended for you actions.)
Some people are so desperate for heroes, scientific or otherwise, that they want to gloss over the rough spots. Given Newton's times, alchemy and astrology were not that far out of the mainstream and indeed had their part in the development of the sciences as the world moved out of the Medieval Period.
Research into a field that didn't prove fruitful, indeed into what we consider a sham today, doesn't in any way dim Newton's other achievements. It's a mistake to judge by our knowledge today, that was built on Newton's original work.
I think you might want to consult the writings of Nostrodumbass, the profit from Texas.
I no longer drink alcohol, which might be unnatural.
I'm pretty sure this disqualifies me from being a philosopher, let alone a natural philosopher.
I knew what you meant. I was just being silly.
Just as silly, and on topic, is what I do sometimes, when the mood hits. When I'm pushing a cart at the grocery store I make engine sounds. At the corners, I make squealing brake noises. If the supermarket is uncrowded late at night and I'm with a friend, I'll challenge them to a race down the aisle.
So, I'm probably as retarded as your friend. =)
Something must be wrong with the data. . .
The economy is doing wonderfully since the big tax cut. All those wealthy people who recieved thousands or even millions of dollars from the government went out and created jobs with that money, right?
I'm sure there are tech jobs being created, because there's a new McDonald's going up near my house. The new fryers are pretty high tech, so the fry cooks must be qualified IT professionals right?
And never mind the jobs report. Thirtythree thousand jobs is a shitload of jobs when you think about it. Besides, it was just a blip. The overall trend line is definitely on the upside, and we're sure to see some positive gains in the second half.
And I'm sure we'll see real cheap oil any day now. Just as soon as that Yukos thingie resolves itself. Or when we drill in ANWAR, as God intended.
You're all a bunch of pessimists, especially those of you that have been unemployed for longer than six months. And it's your pessimism that is dragging the economy down. So cheer up. Got that unemployed people? You're the problem and the American people aren't going to put up with it much longer. Get a job, hippy.
Oh, yeah, I'd blame it on Open Source, but it should be obvious from the above that I'm too ignorant to know what Open Source is.
I'm sorry I wasn't more explicit. You've got to read between the lines. The FCC under the current adminsitration has been extremely pro-deregulation, the result being that the media interests have become even more powerful. And ironically, these same media interests are attempting to get the FCC to regulate the little guy, the consumer.
In other words, the current adminsitration is against regulation when it helps big media, but is for regulation when it helps big media.
The original charter of the FCC was in part to regulate the media companies for the public good.
Yeah, chalk up another score for the mods. They're big weiners. I mean winners.
It's corporate welfare, and it's bordering on the system Italy had under facism (Paging steve godwin!).
Both the Democratic and the Republican Parties are to blame, but the extent we are seeing today is unprecedented. Part of the problem is that one party currently controls both the legislature and the Presidency (and one might argue the juduciary). That is way too much power for any one party to handle without problems of corruption.
Please make sure you read the post I was responding to before you speak.
I'm well aware that cordless phones can run on 900 Mhz. I own three of them.
Don't feel bad, you're not the only one that saw my post and didn't realize that the parent post had been modded down, and so was not visible.
t's a trendy excuse though("it's all due to damn videogames"), and people need excuses(they could just as well be books or movies.. ).. but blaming something that was found at victims home??? that's just fucking lame.
We have a complicated world with complicated problems. Much of the problems are due to the way the system has worked itself out, with business interests in control of the government.
Many people know there is much that is wrong in America and in the world, but aren't willing to look at the complexity of the issues or question themselves. Instead, they look for the easy answers.
How much easier is it to blame violence on videogames rather than parental responsibility and the easy availability of guns? How much easier is it to blame the destabilization of the family on gay marriage rather than on an economic system that pushes more and more families into poverty or not able to spend enough time with the family due to both parents working full time?
When opportunists try to scapegoat someone instead of trying to solve the real problems, we must stop them. The same people that blame gay marriage are the same people blaming video games are the same people blaming music.
I just had such an encounter a few days ago, a 25 year old who kept attacking corpses lying on the ground in gta3:vc, making noises with his mouth. (later on I realized he does the same with movies heh!)
He makes movies in his mouth?
All the phones in my house are 900 Mhz cordless, so next time tell me something I don't already know. If you read the post to which I was responding, you'd see that stated that "900MHz is such a BAAAD idea... You Yankies may have 1900MHz GSM, but the whole of Europe uses 1800MHz and... 900MHz! Baaaaad!"
So excuse the hell out of me that you didn't read the greatgrandfather post for comprehension. But one thing I definitely agree on. We could all use more cowbell.