I'm sorry, but obviously you've never been stalked by a roving band of libertarians. I could tell you a tale that would freeze your blood!
Hey, lighten up a little and learn to recognize a joke when you see it.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. I think most Americans have a gut level appreciation for the principles of libertarianism, it's just that they also have an appreciation for other principles and values as well.
Personally, I'm glad that there are extremists like yourself, if only to counter balance those on the extreme left. (Except for the Rand people; they're just kookibiscuits.)
This is the exact reason why I refuse to travel outside the U.S.
Those damn foreigners expect me to use a power adapter if I want to plug in any of my American electrical appliances. I've written the WTO several times about this issue, but so far have received no reply.
There are lots of PC manufacturers who built PCs to last. Apple never needed to, because every major new release of their OS seems to obsolete any Apple hardware more than 4 years old.
For shits and grins, I cobbled together an old 7100 (first gen PPC, 1994) and I installed OS 9 (2000) on it. I use it to play some old games that don't seem to run on newer hardware. Boot up is slow, but after the OS is loaded, the thing is quite functional. Now, why don't you try running Windows 2K on a PC from 1994 and tell us what the results are.
Maybe you do, but I want to do my work as time-effectively as possible, which, surprise!, ends up being cost effective as well. For me, this has meant using a Mac whenever possible.
Hey, I can understand being on a budget and not being able to afford a Mac. My first two computers were PCs (an XT and a 486). My third computer was a Mac Quadra, and every computer I've bought since has been a Mac.
Well, I mostly agree that I'd personally want my library to collect the more eclectic types of music, but I was thinking that whatever it takes to get young people (kids and young adults) into the library is a good thing. (Of course this could be taken to an absurd extreme, but I'm not advocating Sony Playstations in the library, at least not today.)
On a tangent, I consider most country I hear to be a form of pop music, but it's not all that way. I could listen to Johnny Cash or Willie Nelson all day, but I can't stand 5 minutes of the crap you hear on country stations around here.
Recently I've been listening to the Mexican equivalent of country music. Corridos and Rancheras. You've probably heard it, much contains those annoying polka strains I used to hate but have grown to love. Blame the Germans who brought accordions and tubas to the Mexicans. Damn Tejanos! =) There's even a modern "gangsta" version of corridos, called Narcorridos. Lyrical content is approximately the same as in your typical gangsta rap.
I'd be willing to bet, though, that what got rejected *is* pretty close to what's in library system policies. They're pretty conservative about what they buy, especially in pop music. (Maybe censorship, maybe practicality: limited "staying power," a higher tendency to walk out the door without being checked out, etc.) OTOH, I'm not familiar enough with the accepted/rejected list (as mommy to a preschooler, my listening habits these days tend more toward Wee Sing and VeggieTales) to say for sure there.
And I'd bet the opposite. Oh, wait, it's Kansas we're talking about. You could well be right, and I'd be out. . . what were we betting? Still, this is more an item that needs clarification than one for intelligent debate.
My sympathies for your current listening habits. I have not yet made that trade off in my life, but I am looking forward to it!
And I'd question whether it would be practical or legally possible for individual library systems to do any rejections. They're not the ones who agreed to the settlement, and the record companies could probably say "Oh, Small Town X rejected Album Y? Okay, we'll replace it as soon as you shop it to every other library in the state."
I don't know why it wouldn't be possible legally, but the thrust of your comment indicates that the real problem is with the settlement itself. It's totally toothless, and actually helps the record companies, imho.
The actions of the AG are just the actions of a politician using this as an opportunity to grind his axe and further make a name for himself at the expense of liberty.
You've made a very good point about these CDs being a part of a settlement.
What smacks of censorship in a big way is that the state attorney general is doing an end run around library sustem policies, dictating what the libraries can and cannot receive, based on his conservative moral standards. If it's not censorship, it's well on it's way down the slippery slope.
What are you talking about? Did you SEE the Time Cube? Man it was SWEEEEEEEHT! Maybe you're putting him down because you belong to a word animal academic institution?
I am not allowed to lecture at the word animal
academic institutions, for they fear my wisdom will expose and indict the pedant hirelings as betrayers of dumb-ass students - the dung heads who allow their freedom of speech to be suppressed without a whimper, unbelieveable. Word animals will feel the wrath of Cubic curse
There's actually a gnostic/mystic tradition to that bit, but the way I heard it, it was tibetan monks that had to say "all the names of God", or some such. Hmmmm, now I'm wondering if it wasn't a short story I read somewhere.
Anyway, the idea seems a little less far fetched when you consider 1) They'd been working on it for three or four thousand years and 2) That's why they needed the hacker character, because they were tired of waiting! =)
OK, you want to use the example of public speaking. What you say is true, for what it's worth. People cannot be forced to listen to speech.
But you cannot decide in advance whether other people wish to hear that speech and limit the means to hear it, even if you are sure that the majority of your constituents would not want to hear it.
In the case at hand, the venue is the public library. If you wanted to speak at the public library, but the state Attorney General prevented you from speaking because he had moral issues with your speeches, it would be pretty clear cut violation.
On the other hand, if the librarian turned you down because of scheduling issues or space issues, it would be another matter entirely. Maybe the library has speakers booked months in advance!
Freedom of speech means being given the chance to be heard. Getting the chance to be heard is not a guarantee that anyone will listen, as you say, but unless there is an opportunity to be heard, the free speech you advocate is meaningless.
do not see any book offering a counterpoint to any subject to be unacceptable, but when it is simply shock value i fail to see the validity of taking up space which could be used by something a little less angered. From the lyrics of the songs I have caught glimpses of, had these actions been real, the person would be punished by law.
It doesn't matter what you find shocking. Please do not limit my access to material at the library because you are only able to see shock value. Furthermore, you argue that works maybe should be censored if they depict illegal actions. This is patentedly absurd, and I'm sure you didn't mean that. Please read what you wrote. You seem to be offering justification for censorship in this context.
In do not expect to ever go to the public library and find goatse peeking out at me from the shelving.
I don't know about the public libraries in Kansas or where you live, but the public libraries limit circulation of certain items among minors. When I was 13 and I wanted to read Lord of the Flies, I had to bring a note from my parents. At the time, I thought this was pretty bad, but my parents explained that this was an acceptable trade off between freedom of the youthful reader and parental responsibility. And yes, I was given permission. (If I hadn't been given permission, I probably would have stolen it, but that says more about what sort of youth I was than it says about the library.)
Regarding the governor making a decision, if every decision depended upon consultation with everyone involved nothing would work.
This wasn't the governor that was making a decision, it was the State Attorney General, the Top Cop of Kansas.
Of course, if every trivial decision needed consultation, little would get done. However, I disagree that this is a trivial matter. To the contrary, free speech is an important matter.
At the end of all this, we are only talking about a few albums from a much larger "gift", the majority of which are being distributed to the libraries, and that is a major bonus:)
If you haven't been following the story, you might be interested to know that this isn't a gift from the record companies but a settlement arising out of an illegal price-fixing case. You should also know that it's been considered a lousy settlement, since the overwhelming majority of CDs going to the libraries of various states has been unsalable stock that was moldering in warehouses.
This is the first indication that there were any worthwhile CDs, but in the same breath, we learn that they are being rejected. It would be merely sad if rejected by the proper custodians (the librarians), but it becomes scary when the AG does it.
While a multi state settlement is a compromise hammered out by committee, an individual state is not bound to sign on. Kansas was free to reject the settlement and continue the matter in court, or even reach a private settlement. See the MS anti-trust case settlement.
Very true, but it's possible (in theory at least) to revisit a dead end with new knowledge to see if anything was overlooked. Sort of like Cold Case Files.
And there are many things science has been unable to explain and conveniently ignores. Does anyone remember reports of a towering Stay Puft Marshmallow man that wrought great destruction on NYC in 1984. But unlike 9/11, which had a reasonable scientific explanation (terrorists), science could not come to terms with the events on that day in 1984. Therefore, it was conveniently swept under the carpet.
Well, the easy solution is to do the same as you would on a ebay auction. If you're comfortable with a P/E of 30, bid accordingly. If that's still too high, bid lower.
If you don't win the auction, take comfort that you aren't one of the suckers that loses his or her shirt (assuming that the P/E of 100 isn't vindicated).
Also, keep watch on the stock price afterwards. If the stock comes down to an acceptable level, you've got a buying opportunity.
You've hit it on the nose. A band like Devo might cause children to question Creation Science, since the band's schtick is based on de-evolution (which implies evolution in the first place).
They tell us that we lost out tails Evolving up from little snails. I say it's all just wind and sails. Are we not men? We are Devo.
Heck, that actually sounds PRO-CREATIONIST! I'm sure glad that it didn't slip by the AG censors.
Just to clarify, TWoZ is about a girl that wants OUT of Kansas, because of people like AG Kline (Miss Gulch/The Wicked Witch of the West), until flying debris in a tornado hits her in the head. Due to this injury she inexplicably wants to return to Kansas, and the rest of the movie is about her efforts to do so.
"I'll get you dorothy, and your little Toto CD, too! Ahahahaha!"
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This also points out an investment opportunity if the trend can be reversed. Get ready to invest in lobster bib companies.
So you're saying it should be a man page?
I'm sorry, but obviously you've never been stalked by a roving band of libertarians. I could tell you a tale that would freeze your blood!
Hey, lighten up a little and learn to recognize a joke when you see it.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. I think most Americans have a gut level appreciation for the principles of libertarianism, it's just that they also have an appreciation for other principles and values as well.
Personally, I'm glad that there are extremists like yourself, if only to counter balance those on the extreme left. (Except for the Rand people; they're just kookibiscuits.)
Because I shouldn't have had to.
This is the exact reason why I refuse to travel outside the U.S.
Those damn foreigners expect me to use a power adapter if I want to plug in any of my American electrical appliances. I've written the WTO several times about this issue, but so far have received no reply.
He said a crew. Everyone knows how bad you guys are when you get together and start egging each other on.
There are lots of PC manufacturers who built PCs to last. Apple never needed to, because every major new release of their OS seems to obsolete any Apple hardware more than 4 years old.
For shits and grins, I cobbled together an old 7100 (first gen PPC, 1994) and I installed OS 9 (2000) on it. I use it to play some old games that don't seem to run on newer hardware. Boot up is slow, but after the OS is loaded, the thing is quite functional. Now, why don't you try running Windows 2K on a PC from 1994 and tell us what the results are.
Maybe you do, but I want to do my work as time-effectively as possible, which, surprise!, ends up being cost effective as well. For me, this has meant using a Mac whenever possible.
Hey, I can understand being on a budget and not being able to afford a Mac. My first two computers were PCs (an XT and a 486). My third computer was a Mac Quadra, and every computer I've bought since has been a Mac.
Well, I mostly agree that I'd personally want my library to collect the more eclectic types of music, but I was thinking that whatever it takes to get young people (kids and young adults) into the library is a good thing. (Of course this could be taken to an absurd extreme, but I'm not advocating Sony Playstations in the library, at least not today.)
On a tangent, I consider most country I hear to be a form of pop music, but it's not all that way. I could listen to Johnny Cash or Willie Nelson all day, but I can't stand 5 minutes of the crap you hear on country stations around here.
Recently I've been listening to the Mexican equivalent of country music. Corridos and Rancheras. You've probably heard it, much contains those annoying polka strains I used to hate but have grown to love. Blame the Germans who brought accordions and tubas to the Mexicans. Damn Tejanos! =) There's even a modern "gangsta" version of corridos, called Narcorridos. Lyrical content is approximately the same as in your typical gangsta rap.
And I'd bet the opposite. Oh, wait, it's Kansas we're talking about. You could well be right, and I'd be out. . . what were we betting? Still, this is more an item that needs clarification than one for intelligent debate.
My sympathies for your current listening habits. I have not yet made that trade off in my life, but I am looking forward to it!
I don't know why it wouldn't be possible legally, but the thrust of your comment indicates that the real problem is with the settlement itself. It's totally toothless, and actually helps the record companies, imho.
The actions of the AG are just the actions of a politician using this as an opportunity to grind his axe and further make a name for himself at the expense of liberty.
You've made a very good point about these CDs being a part of a settlement.
What smacks of censorship in a big way is that the state attorney general is doing an end run around library sustem policies, dictating what the libraries can and cannot receive, based on his conservative moral standards. If it's not censorship, it's well on it's way down the slippery slope.
There's actually a gnostic/mystic tradition to that bit, but the way I heard it, it was tibetan monks that had to say "all the names of God", or some such. Hmmmm, now I'm wondering if it wasn't a short story I read somewhere.
Anyway, the idea seems a little less far fetched when you consider 1) They'd been working on it for three or four thousand years and 2) That's why they needed the hacker character, because they were tired of waiting! =)
OK, you want to use the example of public speaking. What you say is true, for what it's worth. People cannot be forced to listen to speech.
But you cannot decide in advance whether other people wish to hear that speech and limit the means to hear it, even if you are sure that the majority of your constituents would not want to hear it.
In the case at hand, the venue is the public library. If you wanted to speak at the public library, but the state Attorney General prevented you from speaking because he had moral issues with your speeches, it would be pretty clear cut violation.
On the other hand, if the librarian turned you down because of scheduling issues or space issues, it would be another matter entirely. Maybe the library has speakers booked months in advance!
Freedom of speech means being given the chance to be heard. Getting the chance to be heard is not a guarantee that anyone will listen, as you say, but unless there is an opportunity to be heard, the free speech you advocate is meaningless.
It doesn't matter what you find shocking. Please do not limit my access to material at the library because you are only able to see shock value. Furthermore, you argue that works maybe should be censored if they depict illegal actions. This is patentedly absurd, and I'm sure you didn't mean that. Please read what you wrote. You seem to be offering justification for censorship in this context.
In do not expect to ever go to the public library and find goatse peeking out at me from the shelving.
I don't know about the public libraries in Kansas or where you live, but the public libraries limit circulation of certain items among minors. When I was 13 and I wanted to read Lord of the Flies, I had to bring a note from my parents. At the time, I thought this was pretty bad, but my parents explained that this was an acceptable trade off between freedom of the youthful reader and parental responsibility. And yes, I was given permission. (If I hadn't been given permission, I probably would have stolen it, but that says more about what sort of youth I was than it says about the library.)
Regarding the governor making a decision, if every decision depended upon consultation with everyone involved nothing would work.
This wasn't the governor that was making a decision, it was the State Attorney General, the Top Cop of Kansas.
Of course, if every trivial decision needed consultation, little would get done. However, I disagree that this is a trivial matter. To the contrary, free speech is an important matter.
At the end of all this, we are only talking about a few albums from a much larger "gift", the majority of which are being distributed to the libraries, and that is a major bonus
If you haven't been following the story, you might be interested to know that this isn't a gift from the record companies but a settlement arising out of an illegal price-fixing case. You should also know that it's been considered a lousy settlement, since the overwhelming majority of CDs going to the libraries of various states has been unsalable stock that was moldering in warehouses.
This is the first indication that there were any worthwhile CDs, but in the same breath, we learn that they are being rejected. It would be merely sad if rejected by the proper custodians (the librarians), but it becomes scary when the AG does it.
While a multi state settlement is a compromise hammered out by committee, an individual state is not bound to sign on. Kansas was free to reject the settlement and continue the matter in court, or even reach a private settlement. See the MS anti-trust case settlement.
Sticky pages? That's not romance, that's hardcore porn.
You call it what you want, I'll call it what I want.
Very true, but it's possible (in theory at least) to revisit a dead end with new knowledge to see if anything was overlooked. Sort of like Cold Case Files.
And there are many things science has been unable to explain and conveniently ignores. Does anyone remember reports of a towering Stay Puft Marshmallow man that wrought great destruction on NYC in 1984. But unlike 9/11, which had a reasonable scientific explanation (terrorists), science could not come to terms with the events on that day in 1984. Therefore, it was conveniently swept under the carpet.
Damn, I think I ruined my original point.
Well, the easy solution is to do the same as you would on a ebay auction. If you're comfortable with a P/E of 30, bid accordingly. If that's still too high, bid lower.
If you don't win the auction, take comfort that you aren't one of the suckers that loses his or her shirt (assuming that the P/E of 100 isn't vindicated).
Also, keep watch on the stock price afterwards. If the stock comes down to an acceptable level, you've got a buying opportunity.
Shut your Pi hole.
Dude, please promise me you're not going to bring in Gødel's theorem! It's a Sunday, for cryin'out loud! =)
Dude, you've never heard of pyhiatry? It uses emphirical data!
(Umm, somebody's fingers are getting tired and need a nap!)
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Tu eres chistoso, pero tu tienes razón. Por eso quiero vivir in San Miguel de Allende, donde se hablaron íngles.
You've hit it on the nose. A band like Devo might cause children to question Creation Science, since the band's schtick is based on de-evolution (which implies evolution in the first place).
They tell us that we lost out tails
Evolving up from little snails.
I say it's all just wind and sails.
Are we not men?
We are Devo.
Heck, that actually sounds PRO-CREATIONIST! I'm sure glad that it didn't slip by the AG censors.
Just to clarify, TWoZ is about a girl that wants OUT of Kansas, because of people like AG Kline (Miss Gulch/The Wicked Witch of the West), until flying debris in a tornado hits her in the head. Due to this injury she inexplicably wants to return to Kansas, and the rest of the movie is about her efforts to do so.
"I'll get you dorothy, and your little Toto CD, too! Ahahahaha!"
Well keep in mind that these were 1,600 decent or better CDs out of a total 51,000. No doubt the rest of the 51,000 are total (unobjectionable) crap.