1) Check your facts. Name me one Unix virus in the wild. You can't, because there are none. Name me the last time that a mac virus brought the internet to it's knees. You can't, because it never happened.
Exploits and cracking, which are a little different than viruses, are a problem for everyone, it is true. However, as I stated before, and you conveniently ignored, OS X comes with exploitable services off by default. This is not the case with a default windows installation, which is insecure by default.
2) You are still incorrect in equating the iLife suite of products that comes with purchase of a mac with the software bundled with Windows. The applications with windows are less than adequate, the iLife apps are more than adequate. Indeed they are very powerful as well as easy to use. You claim this is a subjective judgement, yet there are a raft of better third party programs to replace the "default" windows apps, while there are very few, if any, third party apps to replace that replace the iLife apps. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Adobe Photoshop Elements, which offers most of the functionality of Photoshop without features that professionals require.
I myself use Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Aftereffects, Final Cut Pro, and Commotion, so I would say I have some experience with pro applications. However, having worked with the iApps, I was amazed that they really do have more than enough power for most users, up to intermediate levels, or even pro levels (I've used iDVD to present professional materials, as have others I know. We haven't yet learned DVDSP.
On the other hand, I would call the default Windows apps barely adeqaute, if even that. I know of no one that really uses Movie Maker more than a few times. They usually begin looking for a replacement application immediately. I usually recommend the Vegas Video beginner product, Screenblast, which also offers an upgrade path to Vegas, which I think kicks Premiere's ass. Of course, if you're going to do "serious" video editing on the PC, you'll use Avid.
3) Statistics AND anecdotal evidence back me up on Macs holding their value longer than PCs, both in terms of dollar amount and in percentage of original purchase price. Calling purchasers of used macs fools is not a valid counter-argument. This sort of tactic is foolish on your part, and amounts to an ad hominem attack.
4) You'll note that I didn't call you an ass, nor did I imply you are one. I merely pointed out that your calling someone a liar gave you the appearance of being an ass. I sincerely doubt you are a fool or an ass in real life, but it's obvious you play one on slashdot, at least in this current thread.
I have no problem with your wanting to use Windows or other OSes other than Mac OS X. Too each his own. However, I invite you to join us Mac users on our higher plane of existence if you've got the guts to leave your Windows gravity well. Have a sip of the Apple Kool Aid and enter the reality distortion field. You might like it.
Two things I've noticed about running OS X on older hardware.
1) Memory, memory, memory. Max it out for best performance. VM is built in, not an option.
2) Jaguar and especially Panther brought noticeable performance gains on older hardware.
Uh, make that three things.
3) If you don't have memory maxed out, don't open more than three or four apps. I guess this point is more an extension of point 1. On my more current 800 Mhz Ti with one gig of RAM, I normally have 10 to 20 apps open.
Uh, make that four things. ..
4) If you can upgrade the graphics card on your older hardware, do it. Quartz Extreme also make a big difference in GUI performance. Of course, by the time you upgrade memory and video, you'll be thinking about upgrading the CPU and maybe the hard drive, at which point it might be cheaper to just get new(er) hardware. Obviously this doesn't apply to the iMac, eMac, or the laptops, since you cannot upgrade the video or the cpu.
I know a few of these guys myself. They feel very bitter and personally betrayed by Apple. Yet, when they do give OS X an honest try, say for more than a week of serious use, they invariably fall in love with it.
Your mistake was talking to a guy at the "store" and not doing your research on various sites for professional video editors, or going through a VAR that specializes in video.
Also, I hope that by Adobe, you mean AfterEffects. If you want to do editing on PC hardware, you really need to look at Avid's software offerings. Very competitive with FCP, and some would say better, even on the Mac platform.
I have this feeling that you will give in before Steve Jobs does, no matter how obstinate and stubborn you think you are, or how powerful you think your personal RDF is.
I was worried about this, too, when I got my powerbook, but it hasn't been that much of a problem in practice. The modifier keys are close enough to the trackpad that it's really a non-issue for me, once I got used to ctrl-click instead of right clicking. It might seem like a lot more work, but really it's not.
1) There a currently NO viruses for OS X in the wild. I highly doubt your assertion that there are as many vulnerabilities on the Mac as on the PC. Furthermore, Macs ship with exploitable functionality turned off by default, in contrast to Windows.
2) The iLife apps that come with Macs are NOT lite or LE versions. They are extremely powerful easy to use consumer applications. They are in a completely different class than the stuff that ships with windows.
3) It is well documented that Macs have much longer useful life spans than PC hardware. If you bothered to check E-bay, old mac hardware keeps it's value much longer than PC hardware.
I suggest you check your facts when you pull them out of your butt. Calling someone a liar when the facts aren't on your side is a pastime best saved for presidential campaigns, and really only make you look like an ass, when in all likelihood you are not an ass.
Amen, brother. Personally, I could care less if Linux on the desktop is "as good as windows". What I am really hoping is that someday it is as good or better than OS X or whatever the current Apple OS is. (Remember, it's a moving target, unlike Longhorn, which is a limping and crawling target.) Anyway, if this ever happens, I'll be able to stop drinking the cool aid and escape from the mothership. ..aw, who am I kidding. I'll still buy the hardware. =)
You make a good point about the Linux community being an asset in promulgation. However, while the zealotry is comparable, there are several factors that impede this effort.
One is in the actual creation of such a GUI/windows manager. Part of Apple's success is due to it's control of it's hardware and software. While there are aftermarket hacks one can apply to customize OS X, it is still the result of a concerted united effort. I don't know if this is possible in the Linux world. There's too many chefs in the kitchen.
The second is the overall helpfulness of the two communities. While there are many many linux folk that are extremely helpful, there are also a number of l337 linux users that are at best unhelpful and at worst downright discouraging. It's ironic that Linux is about (among other things) freedom of information, but some still try to maintain and exercise power over others through information. (I've also noticed that this is a way to hide a lack of knowledge.)
I also agree that the eye candy shouldn't be an impediment. OS X user switching was good for a few ooohs and ahhhhs, but that was about it. Visually impressive, but I don't find that particular eye candy that useful.
And while you dream of the navigator video, I'll still hope for an OS that will blow me and wipe my ass. Stink different.
"Pay no attention to the kernel hacker from Finland. Watch the bright shiny marketing opportunity! Linux is not a threat. Linux is not a threat. The future of your company depends on tiny video players."
"When I count to three, you'll awake refreshed, feeling great, and ready to tackle that bright shiny marketing opportunity! One, two, three . .."
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1) Check your facts. Name me one Unix virus in the wild. You can't, because there are none. Name me the last time that a mac virus brought the internet to it's knees. You can't, because it never happened.
Exploits and cracking, which are a little different than viruses, are a problem for everyone, it is true. However, as I stated before, and you conveniently ignored, OS X comes with exploitable services off by default. This is not the case with a default windows installation, which is insecure by default.
2) You are still incorrect in equating the iLife suite of products that comes with purchase of a mac with the software bundled with Windows. The applications with windows are less than adequate, the iLife apps are more than adequate. Indeed they are very powerful as well as easy to use. You claim this is a subjective judgement, yet there are a raft of better third party programs to replace the "default" windows apps, while there are very few, if any, third party apps to replace that replace the iLife apps. Off the top of my head, I can only think of Adobe Photoshop Elements, which offers most of the functionality of Photoshop without features that professionals require.
I myself use Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Aftereffects, Final Cut Pro, and Commotion, so I would say I have some experience with pro applications. However, having worked with the iApps, I was amazed that they really do have more than enough power for most users, up to intermediate levels, or even pro levels (I've used iDVD to present professional materials, as have others I know. We haven't yet learned DVDSP.
On the other hand, I would call the default Windows apps barely adeqaute, if even that. I know of no one that really uses Movie Maker more than a few times. They usually begin looking for a replacement application immediately. I usually recommend the Vegas Video beginner product, Screenblast, which also offers an upgrade path to Vegas, which I think kicks Premiere's ass. Of course, if you're going to do "serious" video editing on the PC, you'll use Avid.
3) Statistics AND anecdotal evidence back me up on Macs holding their value longer than PCs, both in terms of dollar amount and in percentage of original purchase price. Calling purchasers of used macs fools is not a valid counter-argument. This sort of tactic is foolish on your part, and amounts to an ad hominem attack.
4) You'll note that I didn't call you an ass, nor did I imply you are one. I merely pointed out that your calling someone a liar gave you the appearance of being an ass. I sincerely doubt you are a fool or an ass in real life, but it's obvious you play one on slashdot, at least in this current thread.
I have no problem with your wanting to use Windows or other OSes other than Mac OS X. Too each his own. However, I invite you to join us Mac users on our higher plane of existence if you've got the guts to leave your Windows gravity well. Have a sip of the Apple Kool Aid and enter the reality distortion field. You might like it.
Two things I've noticed about running OS X on older hardware.
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1) Memory, memory, memory. Max it out for best performance. VM is built in, not an option.
2) Jaguar and especially Panther brought noticeable performance gains on older hardware.
Uh, make that three things.
3) If you don't have memory maxed out, don't open more than three or four apps. I guess this point is more an extension of point 1. On my more current 800 Mhz Ti with one gig of RAM, I normally have 10 to 20 apps open.
Uh, make that four things. .
4) If you can upgrade the graphics card on your older hardware, do it. Quartz Extreme also make a big difference in GUI performance. Of course, by the time you upgrade memory and video, you'll be thinking about upgrading the CPU and maybe the hard drive, at which point it might be cheaper to just get new(er) hardware. Obviously this doesn't apply to the iMac, eMac, or the laptops, since you cannot upgrade the video or the cpu.
I know a few of these guys myself. They feel very bitter and personally betrayed by Apple. Yet, when they do give OS X an honest try, say for more than a week of serious use, they invariably fall in love with it.
Check the specs. There is no G3 eMac. They're G4 only, always have been.
Your mistake was talking to a guy at the "store" and not doing your research on various sites for professional video editors, or going through a VAR that specializes in video.
Also, I hope that by Adobe, you mean AfterEffects. If you want to do editing on PC hardware, you really need to look at Avid's software offerings. Very competitive with FCP, and some would say better, even on the Mac platform.
I have this feeling that you will give in before Steve Jobs does, no matter how obstinate and stubborn you think you are, or how powerful you think your personal RDF is.
Still, a good troll.
I think you mean a blind fruit.
The original rationale was that it would help drive computer sales. Then the iPod became a runaway success unto itself and a huge profit center.
Real artists ship.
And when they ship, they don't ship a half-baked load of crap.
I was worried about this, too, when I got my powerbook, but it hasn't been that much of a problem in practice. The modifier keys are close enough to the trackpad that it's really a non-issue for me, once I got used to ctrl-click instead of right clicking. It might seem like a lot more work, but really it's not.
Codewarrior, anyone?
We find much comfort from observing the zealotry of the Amiga community.
Not embalmed
Pickled
(BTW, the PSA appeared in Hustler Magazine)
1) There a currently NO viruses for OS X in the wild. I highly doubt your assertion that there are as many vulnerabilities on the Mac as on the PC. Furthermore, Macs ship with exploitable functionality turned off by default, in contrast to Windows.
2) The iLife apps that come with Macs are NOT lite or LE versions. They are extremely powerful easy to use consumer applications. They are in a completely different class than the stuff that ships with windows.
3) It is well documented that Macs have much longer useful life spans than PC hardware. If you bothered to check E-bay, old mac hardware keeps it's value much longer than PC hardware.
I suggest you check your facts when you pull them out of your butt. Calling someone a liar when the facts aren't on your side is a pastime best saved for presidential campaigns, and really only make you look like an ass, when in all likelihood you are not an ass.
Because you did. This is old news. The video is ooooold.
I bet you're one of those people who put a spoiler and slapped a VTEC sticker on your mom's car, aren't you? Sure made her car go faster, didn't it?
Amen, brother. Personally, I could care less if Linux on the desktop is "as good as windows". What I am really hoping is that someday it is as good or better than OS X or whatever the current Apple OS is. (Remember, it's a moving target, unlike Longhorn, which is a limping and crawling target.) Anyway, if this ever happens, I'll be able to stop drinking the cool aid and escape from the mothership. . .aw, who am I kidding. I'll still buy the hardware. =)
You make a good point about the Linux community being an asset in promulgation. However, while the zealotry is comparable, there are several factors that impede this effort.
One is in the actual creation of such a GUI/windows manager. Part of Apple's success is due to it's control of it's hardware and software. While there are aftermarket hacks one can apply to customize OS X, it is still the result of a concerted united effort. I don't know if this is possible in the Linux world. There's too many chefs in the kitchen.
The second is the overall helpfulness of the two communities. While there are many many linux folk that are extremely helpful, there are also a number of l337 linux users that are at best unhelpful and at worst downright discouraging. It's ironic that Linux is about (among other things) freedom of information, but some still try to maintain and exercise power over others through information. (I've also noticed that this is a way to hide a lack of knowledge.)
I also agree that the eye candy shouldn't be an impediment. OS X user switching was good for a few ooohs and ahhhhs, but that was about it. Visually impressive, but I don't find that particular eye candy that useful.
And while you dream of the navigator video, I'll still hope for an OS that will blow me and wipe my ass. Stink different.
Sorry, I assumed too much: that you were calling all personal injury attorneys "ambulance chasers".
Uh, yeah, sophisticated like the bogus royalty free "user" in that marketing campaign rip off of Apple's switcher campaign? That was pretty smooooove.
3X as thick, twice as long!
I think the spammers are already trying to sell me this device.
How many retards with high disposable incomes can there be? Oh, wait. This is slashdot. There goes my karma.
"Pay no attention to the kernel hacker from Finland. Watch the bright shiny marketing opportunity! Linux is not a threat. Linux is not a threat. The future of your company depends on tiny video players."
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"When I count to three, you'll awake refreshed, feeling great, and ready to tackle that bright shiny marketing opportunity! One, two, three . .
Then why not get a pocket PC if you want a screen?
Personally, I don't want to watch video on a tiny screen if I can help it. Maybe some kind of bifocal goggles, but that's still pretty scifi.
Dude, you need a flat bed truck to haul around an archos.
Uh, you usually make toast over an open fire, but sometimes you like a snazzy gui?