Download the libraries - last time it included barely enough to implement a Hello World. Less than 100 classes.
So why don't you figure out what the fuck you're talking about before you start flaming me, bitch.
It looks like the libraries are taken care of.
No they're not you moron. There's nothing on that spec that defines a platform comparable to MS.NET or J2EE. The part IV on that spec is fucking 16 pages long. That's pathetic.
Maybe you should actually spend time reading the actual spec which is linked on that page, you fucking retard.
Java has evolved make it unsuitable for much open source applications development
Why don't you give some specific examples rather than useless blah blah bullshit? Why is Java unsuitable for much of Open Source application development? Please explain. It seems Sourceforge is filled with Open Source Java apps.
ahh bullshit... I just bought a new phone a week ago, it's got a battery that lasts much longer even if its smaller and much lighter than what the old one had. It operates on three different bandwidths rather than two what the old one did. You're just whining for no good reason.
Smaller phones aren't the only models available. There are plenty of models made for specialized uses. But small and light ones sell the most on mass market.
You can find a big bulky phone with long battery life if that is what you need. Stop your whining and go buy one.
So go to a fucking store and buy one. It shoulnd't be that hard to do. They're fucking full of phones. Every size and color. What the hell are you whining about?
I do want my phones small and light. I love the reminders (cause I forget shit), calendars, and the possibilities to play with J2ME, and bluetooth.
Uhh... you do realize that.NET exp just means VB to them -- I'm not saying there arent a whole lot of VB jobs out there, but that there isn't suddenly more.NET jobs available. That hasn't changed one bit. It is just all the jobs that used to be VB exp is now.NET exp.
So yeah if you were a VB developer then sure it makes sense to "upgrade" yourself to.NET (I mean you've already chosen to go down that dead end path anyway, it's not like it makes much of a difference to you now). There's absolutely no reason for anyone doing real programming jobs to start learning.NET though. Unless they're keen on taking the old VB monkey programming jobs that they now call fancy.NET experience.
First of all, C++ does not work, you have to use Managed C++ which is not the same language. If someone wants to keep on using VB, they don't need a.NET platform. C# is a failed attempt at copying the rather elegant design of Java. And last, JVM supports more languages already than.NET ever will.
J2EE requires Tomcat (free) or a costly implementation (JRun,Webshere,etc.)
Uhh, Tomcat is hardly a full blown J2EE platform. Try JBoss instead.
It's amazing the amount of ignorance of most.NET zealots here. You don't know a fucking thing about the alternatives that have been offered to you, free of charge, for years.
Though fine by me, go burn your money on the next dead end solution (.NET) that is nothing but glorified Visual Basic.
I can only assume you were being sarcastic about the success of AWT, so I won't bother with that
No the point he was making is AWT failed because it was such a fucking pain in the ass to tweak the GUI for all different platforms when native peer widgets were used. Therefore Swing came about to solve that problem.
I believe that Swing got it wrong. According to Swing (and things like Mozilla's XUL), it's important for your application to look exactly the same across all systems on which it runs.
Again, you're wrong. Swing supplies L&F for different platforms (Motif, Windows, Mac) and one cross platform L&F. The point of Swing was that to the
programmer there's no difference what platform it is being run on. If I develop on Windows I can be sure the L&F doesn't suck on Mac. This Swing achieved very well. Any attempt going back to native peers (ala SWT) will again suck, you have to test the app on every fucken platform.
Instead, your application should adopt the look&feel of the target platform you're using
That's what Swing does.
Do you really want an ugly GTK-looking thing on Mac OS X?
No, with my Swing apps that is automatically switched to MacOS L&F. I don't have to do a thing.
No, it's better for something like this that you implement the backend using native widget sets,
It was tried and it failed. This is one of the reasons I'm not too keen on using.NET -- these problems were seen and worked around in Java years ago. Do I want to go through that same pain again? No thanks.
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Download the libraries - last time it included barely enough to implement a Hello World. Less than 100 classes.
So why don't you figure out what the fuck you're talking about before you start flaming me, bitch.
It looks like the libraries are taken care of.
No they're not you moron. There's nothing on that spec that defines a platform comparable to MS.NET or J2EE. The part IV on that spec is fucking 16 pages long. That's pathetic.
Maybe you should actually spend time reading the actual spec which is linked on that page, you fucking retard.
No it's not. See JCP.
You can stuff your FUD up your ass.
Why don't you give some specific examples rather than useless blah blah bullshit? Why is Java unsuitable for much of Open Source application development? Please explain. It seems Sourceforge is filled with Open Source Java apps.
It's nothing but slapping a bunch of hyped up market jargon on top of old technology. And half the industry goes ooh and aah.
I guess it says alot in itself.
Smaller phones aren't the only models available. There are plenty of models made for specialized uses. But small and light ones sell the most on mass market.
You can find a big bulky phone with long battery life if that is what you need. Stop your whining and go buy one.
Stick with your old crappy phone if you're so inclined.
How do you know it will used solely to build games?
There you go.
yeah I'm sure companies like Nokia never spend a dime on trying to figure out how to make the battery last longer.
mmmm... 3D Pacman... should be that hard to write with J2ME
If they thought the way you do there would never be anything new in the cell phones. Just an endless rehash of the same old features.
I don't know about UK, but they sure as hell are selling models with color screens here in Finland.
I do want my phones small and light. I love the reminders (cause I forget shit), calendars, and the possibilities to play with J2ME, and bluetooth.
So yeah if you were a VB developer then sure it makes sense to "upgrade" yourself to .NET (I mean you've already chosen to go down that dead end path anyway, it's not like it makes much of a difference to you now). There's absolutely no reason for anyone doing real programming jobs to start learning .NET though. Unless they're keen on taking the old VB monkey programming jobs that they now call fancy .NET experience.
yeah right... what fucking planet do you live on?
There's no need for .NET on Linux, .NET is a client side technology, Linux works best on the servers and free J2EE is available on the server side.
Mono not needed here.
you do realize that by platform people mean the libraries (database, transactions, gui, and shit) and not the virtual machine?
First of all, C++ does not work, you have to use Managed C++ which is not the same language. If someone wants to keep on using VB, they don't need a .NET platform. C# is a failed attempt at copying the rather elegant design of Java. And last, JVM supports more languages already than .NET ever will.
Uhh, Tomcat is hardly a full blown J2EE platform. Try JBoss instead.
It's amazing the amount of ignorance of most .NET zealots here. You don't know a fucking thing about the alternatives that have been offered to you, free of charge, for years.
Though fine by me, go burn your money on the next dead end solution (.NET) that is nothing but glorified Visual Basic.
Efficiencies?? What the fuck are you talking about? They all run on top of the same virtual machine.
Please inform us what great advancements Microsoft has made compared to Java jitters (such as HotSpot).
I would really really like to know.
Or are you just full of shit?
Eh? Java did this seven or eight years ago. If anything, Mono shows the lack of vision on the part of Miguel and others.
No the point he was making is AWT failed because it was such a fucking pain in the ass to tweak the GUI for all different platforms when native peer widgets were used. Therefore Swing came about to solve that problem.
I believe that Swing got it wrong. According to Swing (and things like Mozilla's XUL), it's important for your application to look exactly the same across all systems on which it runs.
Again, you're wrong. Swing supplies L&F for different platforms (Motif, Windows, Mac) and one cross platform L&F. The point of Swing was that to the
programmer there's no difference what platform it is being run on. If I develop on Windows I can be sure the L&F doesn't suck on Mac. This Swing achieved very well. Any attempt going back to native peers (ala SWT) will again suck, you have to test the app on every fucken platform.
Instead, your application should adopt the look&feel of the target platform you're using
That's what Swing does.
Do you really want an ugly GTK-looking thing on Mac OS X?
No, with my Swing apps that is automatically switched to MacOS L&F. I don't have to do a thing.
No, it's better for something like this that you implement the backend using native widget sets,
It was tried and it failed. This is one of the reasons I'm not too keen on using .NET -- these problems were seen and worked around in Java years ago. Do I want to go through that same pain again? No thanks.
No it's not, the language sucks, as can be read from this FAQ for example.
Microsoft has a large deployment base. Lots of people will learn and use C#, because that can mean a job.
A quick search on Monster.com does not support this claim.
Microsoft is going to do the work to port to BSD.
Yeah or so they say... big fucking deal, Java already runs on dozens of different platforms.
Microsoft Labs members have and continue to make efforts supporting the use of other non-traditional languages on .NET
JVM supports more languages than .NET ever will.
Microsoft isn't afraid to design a platform for performance, unlike Sun
There is no speed difference, both platforms run on a virtual machine.
C# and .NET will be used on WinCE handhelds.
Will be? oh oh ... well how about Nokia ships millions of cell phones already with Java embedded? WinCE is dead.
Common Java runtimes still run like ass, and the language is a piece of crap.
You're just a pathetic little shit who hasn't got a fucking clue what you're talking about.