"... but what about all the other energy and nasties (waste) that comes out of making a single panel."
In business those things are called "costs", and factored into the price of each panel sold. That includes materials, electricity, plant waste disposal and treatment, labor, etc.. Drop down to materials and utilities, and the suppliers of those have figured their costs into the prices of their products, and so on.
Thus, if you can amortize the price of a panel in electricity produced over it's lifetime to less than zero, either in savings or, in many cases, selling power back to the utility during peak usage/production, then that panel has a net benefit, producing more energy than it consumed.
As such, we can rely on facts, and we don't need myths, your "opinion", nor the opinions of politicians.
I also find your distain and concern for waste more than a little hypocritical, being that you probably posted your message on a computer powered by your local coal or gas plant, each of which producing tons of greenhouse gases and waste. Not to mention "digging (or drilling) up the materials, processing, post-processing, etc.."
As someone who's job it is to watch the tablet market, I doubt Android has "taken away" market share. I believe anyone who bought an Android tablet would not have purchased an iPad. Anti-Apple, Anti-culture, whatever. Or, for some reason, they couldn't buy one.
As such, I hope you're not using your numbers as "proof" that Android's numbers will -- as in phones -- rise in the same fashion. Especially since Dell just cancelled the Streak 5 today. Motorola, IIRC, cut sales projections and manufacturing orders for the Xoom by 60%. RIM just cut 2,000 jobs. These are not the signs of an Android market that's actively "taking away" anything.
Self-siccing: While chiefly used in text that is not one's own, occasionally, a sic is included by a writer after his or her own word(s) to note that the language has been chosen deliberately, especially where a reader may naturally doubt the writer's intentions.[30] Bryan A. Garner dubbed this kind of siccing as the "ironic use,"...
Nonetheless, a writer's siccing of his or her own words may lead readers to confuse the source of the sic as being the book's editor and is often considered strange even when the sic's source is understood.
From Ars, "In Lion, the sandbox security model has been greatly enhanced, and Apple is finally promoting it for use by third-party applications. A sandboxed application must now include a list of "entitlements" describing exactly what resources it needs in order to do its job."
Then there's privilege separation, which breaks up a complex application into individual processes, each of which requires only the few entitlements necessary to perform a specific subset of the application's total capabilities. Video decoding, PDF decoding, and HTML decoding are already handled this way in Lion. (Not to mention sandboxing Flash into it's own tiny little world.)
As to market share, this meme needs to die. If one in ten Windows boxes had a wide-open security hole a virus could exploit, how long do you think it would take for someone to write it and attempt take advantage of it? A month? A week? A day? Well, one in ten computers are Macs, and we seem to have, ah, well, basically zero active viruses and botnets. It's no harder to scan millions of machines for that one-in-ten Mac than it is to scan for that one-in-ten exploit in Windows.
Corporate vs home? Are you nuts? Home computers are much more likely to have credit card numbers and passwords and back account numbers floating around. Home computers are much less likely to have current security updates and hot fixes installed. Home computers are much less likely to be behind firewalls and other active and monitored security measures.
And -- if you look at the numbers -- home computers are much more likely to have botnets and emailers and other malware installed.
How much infrastructure do you think it takes to drill, pump, ship, refine, and deliver 9 million barrels of gasoline? (That's the DAILY current US consumption rate.) And gasoline is, in itself, a dangerous, corrosive, deadly, flammable liquid.
How much weight do you think an engine block, transmission, and 12 gallons of fuel add to existing vehicles?
And at 7,500 mp(gram), $1,000/g gives us 13 cents a gallon. $5,000/g is a whopping $0.65 effective mpg. I can live with that.
Got to love the NIMBY and BANANA nitwits who are so eager to point out whey we should do nothing at all...
Given the iSuppli teardown numbers, isn't Apple basically selling the iPhone and iPad for 2x BOM? The 32GB GSM iPad 2, for example, was $326 BOM, and $729 retail, for a 2.24x markup.
And Apple seems to be making money. I don't think 4x to 5x is the norm in the computer space...
"What Apply fanbois tend to forget is that you shouldn't have to jail break your devices in order to install what you want."
Is that why there are instructions galore out there for rooting Android tablets and smartphones? Seems like Android device manufacturers lock things down too...
To quote, "Seemingly sick of being continuously slapped in the face by the patent issue, Google’s SVP and Chief Legal Officer, David Drummond, wrote a blog post calling out several of Google’s rivals for attempting to use “bogus patents” to destroy Android. Chief among the rivals called out was Microsoft. Drummond noted that the software giant had been getting in bed with other rivals to hurt Google.
Among the accusations was that Microsoft teamed up with Apple to buy Novell’s old patents, implying that they did so in order to keep them away from Google.
Microsoft didn’t take too kindly to that remark. “Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no,” Brad Smith, Microsoft General Counsel tweeted out in response."
"Except for our corporate tax, which is among the highest in the world..."
Except no one pays it. Subsidies, tax breaks, incentives, deferrals, loopholes, offshore subsidiaries, and more mean that major US corporations pay LESS income tax, on average, than anyone else, anywhere else. In 2008, the New York Times discovered that one in four of the US's largest corporations regularly pay no income tax to the IRS.
Many corporations also have tens of billions in earnings permanently reinvested overseas. (Do a Google search on corporate tax "holiday.")
It doesn't matter if the rate is 35% if many only pay 6%. Or 0%.
In the sense that many Android phones are also "open" if you have a crowbar. Rooting the device in order to gain access to restricted functionality is not the typical definition of open.
Many Flash apps like video players rely on certificates and signing in the official player. Without those, even a perfect clone won't be able to decode the streams.
Yeah, but all the oil and gas industries have to do is put that money in the hands of the right lobbyists and Senators. Drop a few million on "studies" from the Cato institute. Support Fox's "unbiased" new channel.
Then it all doesn't matter, and we can go back to business as usual.
"... but many business do need an F250 to pull some heavy equipment..."
Correction: Some businesses (not many) need something like a F250 to pull heavy equipment. I'd say that half of the people who own fat trucks do so purely because there's a subsidy available on them and because they think it makes them look like manly men. Here's a test: Check the bed liner in the back of the truck. If it's in pristine condition then you had other rationalizations... err... reasons for buying a truck.
Another quarter of them are owned by people who use it to take their boat or trailer out two or three times a year, and who are then forced to drive it daily because they can't afford another car.
Construction businesses (not construction workers), farmers, gardeners, and so on do need something to move their gear. But I suspect that much of that could be done with something other than a 12MPG F350 Super Extended Cab.
Nope. In fact, companies like Magnetar deliberately structured mortgage derivative deals such that they WOULD fail, so they could make millions betting against them in the market. (hedge funds)
"Maybe they're not, but asking someone without a vested interest in saying the same thing would be prudent."
I know! We can ask an Exxon representative.... Coal-fired power plant owner? Your local Republican congress-critter?
The point being that there are just as many -- if not more -- people out there on the other side of the fence. And all with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo so we can keep on doing business as usual...
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"... but what about all the other energy and nasties (waste) that comes out of making a single panel."
In business those things are called "costs", and factored into the price of each panel sold. That includes materials, electricity, plant waste disposal and treatment, labor, etc.. Drop down to materials and utilities, and the suppliers of those have figured their costs into the prices of their products, and so on.
Thus, if you can amortize the price of a panel in electricity produced over it's lifetime to less than zero, either in savings or, in many cases, selling power back to the utility during peak usage/production, then that panel has a net benefit, producing more energy than it consumed.
As such, we can rely on facts, and we don't need myths, your "opinion", nor the opinions of politicians.
I also find your distain and concern for waste more than a little hypocritical, being that you probably posted your message on a computer powered by your local coal or gas plant, each of which producing tons of greenhouse gases and waste. Not to mention "digging (or drilling) up the materials, processing, post-processing, etc.."
As someone who's job it is to watch the tablet market, I doubt Android has "taken away" market share. I believe anyone who bought an Android tablet would not have purchased an iPad. Anti-Apple, Anti-culture, whatever. Or, for some reason, they couldn't buy one.
As such, I hope you're not using your numbers as "proof" that Android's numbers will -- as in phones -- rise in the same fashion. Especially since Dell just cancelled the Streak 5 today. Motorola, IIRC, cut sales projections and manufacturing orders for the Xoom by 60%. RIM just cut 2,000 jobs. These are not the signs of an Android market that's actively "taking away" anything.
Self-siccing: While chiefly used in text that is not one's own, occasionally, a sic is included by a writer after his or her own word(s) to note that the language has been chosen deliberately, especially where a reader may naturally doubt the writer's intentions.[30] Bryan A. Garner dubbed this kind of siccing as the "ironic use," ...
Nonetheless, a writer's siccing of his or her own words may lead readers to confuse the source of the sic as being the book's editor and is often considered strange even when the sic's source is understood.
From Ars, "In Lion, the sandbox security model has been greatly enhanced, and Apple is finally promoting it for use by third-party applications. A sandboxed application must now include a list of "entitlements" describing exactly what resources it needs in order to do its job."
Then there's privilege separation, which breaks up a complex application into individual processes, each of which requires only the few entitlements necessary to perform a specific subset of the application's total capabilities. Video decoding, PDF decoding, and HTML decoding are already handled this way in Lion. (Not to mention sandboxing Flash into it's own tiny little world.)
As to market share, this meme needs to die. If one in ten Windows boxes had a wide-open security hole a virus could exploit, how long do you think it would take for someone to write it and attempt take advantage of it? A month? A week? A day? Well, one in ten computers are Macs, and we seem to have, ah, well, basically zero active viruses and botnets. It's no harder to scan millions of machines for that one-in-ten Mac than it is to scan for that one-in-ten exploit in Windows.
Corporate vs home? Are you nuts? Home computers are much more likely to have credit card numbers and passwords and back account numbers floating around. Home computers are much less likely to have current security updates and hot fixes installed. Home computers are much less likely to be behind firewalls and other active and monitored security measures.
And -- if you look at the numbers -- home computers are much more likely to have botnets and emailers and other malware installed.
How much infrastructure do you think it takes to drill, pump, ship, refine, and deliver 9 million barrels of gasoline? (That's the DAILY current US consumption rate.) And gasoline is, in itself, a dangerous, corrosive, deadly, flammable liquid.
How much weight do you think an engine block, transmission, and 12 gallons of fuel add to existing vehicles?
And at 7,500 mp(gram), $1,000/g gives us 13 cents a gallon. $5,000/g is a whopping $0.65 effective mpg. I can live with that.
Got to love the NIMBY and BANANA nitwits who are so eager to point out whey we should do nothing at all...
How about Intel-owned???
"It is after all supposed to be a Universal connection standard..."
Standard as in a NEW USB 3.0 standard, and not the current/existing USB 3.0 standard? That the "standard" we're talking about...
Odd that they're upgrading the "standard" after Intel upgraded the power output on Thunderbolt.
Given the iSuppli teardown numbers, isn't Apple basically selling the iPhone and iPad for 2x BOM? The 32GB GSM iPad 2, for example, was $326 BOM, and $729 retail, for a 2.24x markup.
And Apple seems to be making money. I don't think 4x to 5x is the norm in the computer space...
The Draganflyer is a cool toy, true. But for $19,999 just for the base model, it needs to be...
"This is a great business model. Sell a product where your clients will just launch it away and immediately have to buy another one. "
Yawn. Arms merchants have been doing it for years. "Notice you just fired your last RPG. Want to buy another one?"
True. That is, when Google decides to release the source....
"What Apply fanbois tend to forget is that you shouldn't have to jail break your devices in order to install what you want."
Is that why there are instructions galore out there for rooting Android tablets and smartphones? Seems like Android device manufacturers lock things down too...
To quote, "Seemingly sick of being continuously slapped in the face by the patent issue, Google’s SVP and Chief Legal Officer, David Drummond, wrote a blog post calling out several of Google’s rivals for attempting to use “bogus patents” to destroy Android. Chief among the rivals called out was Microsoft. Drummond noted that the software giant had been getting in bed with other rivals to hurt Google.
Among the accusations was that Microsoft teamed up with Apple to buy Novell’s old patents, implying that they did so in order to keep them away from Google.
Microsoft didn’t take too kindly to that remark. “Google says we bought Novell patents to keep them from Google. Really? We asked them to bid jointly with us. They said no,” Brad Smith, Microsoft General Counsel tweeted out in response."
http://techcrunch.com/2011/08/03/microsoft-just-kicked-google-in-the-nuts/
"Except for our corporate tax, which is among the highest in the world..."
Except no one pays it. Subsidies, tax breaks, incentives, deferrals, loopholes, offshore subsidiaries, and more mean that major US corporations pay LESS income tax, on average, than anyone else, anywhere else. In 2008, the New York Times discovered that one in four of the US's largest corporations regularly pay no income tax to the IRS.
Many corporations also have tens of billions in earnings permanently reinvested overseas. (Do a Google search on corporate tax "holiday.")
It doesn't matter if the rate is 35% if many only pay 6%. Or 0%.
In the sense that many Android phones are also "open" if you have a crowbar. Rooting the device in order to gain access to restricted functionality is not the typical definition of open.
It's probably safe to say that Amazon's numbers aren't carrier numbers.
"... seriously, pop ups? WTF?!"
iOS 5. Two months.
Both sides can play "your problem will be fixed in the next version of Android/iOS" game.
Many Flash apps like video players rely on certificates and signing in the official player. Without those, even a perfect clone won't be able to decode the streams.
Yeah, but all the oil and gas industries have to do is put that money in the hands of the right lobbyists and Senators. Drop a few million on "studies" from the Cato institute. Support Fox's "unbiased" new channel.
Then it all doesn't matter, and we can go back to business as usual.
No, I get it. We can't ask climate change scientists, earth scientists, or weather specialists, since they all supposedly have "vested" interests.
But since we can't ask the people who've actually studied the problem... who can we ask?
Your mom?
Religion is studiously ignoring the work of practically every scientist in the field, just because the talking head on Fox news said to do so.
"... but many business do need an F250 to pull some heavy equipment..."
Correction: Some businesses (not many) need something like a F250 to pull heavy equipment. I'd say that half of the people who own fat trucks do so purely because there's a subsidy available on them and because they think it makes them look like manly men. Here's a test: Check the bed liner in the back of the truck. If it's in pristine condition then you had other rationalizations... err... reasons for buying a truck.
Another quarter of them are owned by people who use it to take their boat or trailer out two or three times a year, and who are then forced to drive it daily because they can't afford another car.
Construction businesses (not construction workers), farmers, gardeners, and so on do need something to move their gear. But I suspect that much of that could be done with something other than a 12MPG F350 Super Extended Cab.
Nope. In fact, companies like Magnetar deliberately structured mortgage derivative deals such that they WOULD fail, so they could make millions betting against them in the market. (hedge funds)
I buy enough stuff from Amazon that the shipping charges average out to be less than a buck per order.
"Maybe they're not, but asking someone without a vested interest in saying the same thing would be prudent."
I know! We can ask an Exxon representative.... Coal-fired power plant owner? Your local Republican congress-critter?
The point being that there are just as many -- if not more -- people out there on the other side of the fence. And all with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo so we can keep on doing business as usual...
Just spoke to David Weber over the weekend, and apparently he's close to signing a movie deal based on the Honor Harrington series...