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Review: Captain America

If you have been living under a rock, you might not be aware that the next in the ongoing series of Avengers prequel movies came out this weekend: Captain America follows Steve Rogers origin, and sets him up for next summer's kajillion dollar Whedonesque mega blockbuster. But how is it as a movie in its own right? Hit the link to read my 2 cents. Standard spoiler warnings apply.

295 comments

  1. Yawn. by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Its about time Hollywood came up with something original instead of digging ever deeper into the list of 2nd rate comic book "heroes"?

    1. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, they have green-lighted "Space Invaders" if that's more to your liking.

    2. Re:Yawn. by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Captain America "2nd rate"?!?!? You, sir must be from Earth 2.

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    3. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its about time Hollywood came up with something original instead of digging ever deeper into the list of 2nd rate comic book "heroes"?

      Second rate? What the fuck are you? A COMMUNIST? Seems like it, with you calling Captain FUCKING America second rate, and insinuating with double quotation marks that he's not a comic book hero.

    4. Re:Yawn. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Agreed....

      The Tick in movie form would rock.

      same for Johnny the Homocidial Maniac... I think Jhonan Vasquez would enjoy torturing theaters full at a time...

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    5. Re:Yawn. by CraftyJack · · Score: 1

      Original like what, the Greek myths? Maybe some Grisham? Some King? I'll take Stan Lee's stories and characters any day of the week. Sure, they can screw it up if they try, but it's a good starting point.
      (Haven't seen it yet. For all I know, it could be horrible.)

    6. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What we need now is some new, fresh clichés.Seems to be a new take on Sam Goldwyn's remark as quoted elsewhere.

    7. Re:Yawn. by JavaBear · · Score: 1

      Why would they spend time and money on developing new ideas that may or may not be a bust, when they have old ideas that are more or less ensured to be a blockbuster?

    8. Re:Yawn. by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      I'm still not sure how much I'd enjoy 90 minutes of "Increase speed, drop down and reverse direction!".

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    9. Re:Yawn. by vlm · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm still not sure how much I'd enjoy 90 minutes of "Increase speed, drop down and reverse direction!".

      That would be an improvement on NASCAR.

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    10. Re:Yawn. by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      What, like Green Lantern?

    11. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hitler fought the communists. Captain America fought Hitler.....That makes him what, pro communist? Just asking.

    12. Re:Yawn. by vlm · · Score: 2

      Why would they spend time and money on developing new ideas that may or may not be a bust, when they have old ideas that are more or less ensured to be a blockbuster?

      Narrowcasting is the death of the industry.

      The only people participating in their tiny little market are those who are easily amused. I can't be bothered to watch this tripe for free.

      Lets say something new and edgy, the "star wars" of the late 70s, came along.

      Then instead of getting a blockbuster percentage of 50% of the 8 million easily amused population to show up at a theater, you might get perhaps 10% of the 300 million total population to show up.

      Run the numbers, see which profit you'd prefer.

      We're in a vicious narrowcasting fight right now in the media in general. The same thing is killing TV. Practically no one watches, and all the producers are interested in is increasing their share of a shrinking, tiny little pie. Same problem with the music industry, FPS video games, etc.

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    13. Re:Yawn. by JustOK · · Score: 1

      they've been talking about fresh cliches since the cows left home.

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    14. Re:Yawn. by ginbot462 · · Score: 2

      That's probably the opinion of a lot of us that grew up in 80/90s comic era. For better or worse, everything had to be darker and edgier then. But in defense what could you do, the Captain America/Superman/White Knight archetype does not respond well to more robust characterization since they themselves are so "singularly" purposed (that did make Superman vs Batman decent but a little overplayed). The other problem is that in real life, those type of moral high-horse people are usually really hypocrites and it's a rare treat to meet the ones that bump this convention. Oh, Captain America hasn't had a war worth fighting for since WWII anyways (on the US side). He should have stayed frozen until America is the gov't of the people and not that of the Corporations

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    15. Re:Yawn. by Zironic · · Score: 1

      Considering that the blockbusters outsell any other genre of movie by disgusting margins. I'd say that your theory is more then a little off.

    16. Re:Yawn. by Tridus · · Score: 1

      Maybe he's from one of those countries that America likes to blow up?

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    17. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet again we see how clueless people are regarding Stan Lee's contribution (or lack of) to the world comic book super heroes. Give Jack Kirby a little credit, willya?

    18. Re:Yawn. by Artraze · · Score: 2

      Isn't it about time that Slashdot critics came up with something original rather than rehashing this "originality" crap again? Originally is as much of a gimmick as anything else... Sometimes it enhances a story and sometimes it takes it away. For example, I'd consider most of M Night Shyamalan's movies to be fairly original, and yet, somehow they often end up lame.

      Oh, you say, they weren't "original". Well, you can say District-9 (oft considered fairly original IIRC) is just aliens in apartheid and Firfly is just a standard western in space. Reduced to archetypes, no stories are "original". The only original thing about a story is it's telling (e.g. using aliens in the apartheid). For thousands of years, humanity has enjoyed hearing old stories retold with a new twist because that was the heart of the story, not whatever framing of characters and plot was present. For some reason people these days want something original, but quickly dismiss all the original elements. If you want an original movie, then look forward to The Amazing Spiderman. Sure it has similar characters and settings to another, but it has a whole new _story_. ...supposing you want something original and not something to complain about, of course.

      P.S. In this regard, Captain America does fail, as it feels much more like a "here's a recap of C.A.'s origin so you have a movie-based context for him when you see Avengers" than a story. Probably thanks in no small part to the action montage, causing the cadence to be like "this guy did some action stuff (we focus on these couple missions) and beat the Nazis or whatever" and sandwiching it between 'present day' scenes for a "we found this guy in the ice, but, just so you know, he was cool before that".

      P.P.S. I dunno why you put heroes in quotes there... Captain America may be somewhat obscure and second rate, but I'd have to say that by most definitions he's probably (in part because of those reasons) more heroic than most.

    19. Re:Yawn. by JMZero · · Score: 2

      I think the exact opposite complaint has more merit - most good movies are based on published books, history, plays, previous movies, or something. Sure there are exceptions (and clearly some very big ones), but I'd say that in general Hollywood does better when it isn't "coming up with something original".

      And if it's comic books you have a problem with, I'll partially agree with you... but also largely disagree. Sure there's been some bad ones, but if we restrict ourselves to action movies, I'd say the comic book films probably average out to "above average action movies". I'd certainly take "X-Men: First Class" over "Congo" (based on a book, with real chapters!) or "The Fast and the Furious" (which was "Hollywood doing something original"). And even outside of "action", I'd rather rub gravel into my forehead than watch, say, "Random Hearts" (based on a critically acclaimed novel by Warren Adler, I see) - one of the worst films I've ever tried to watch.

      Sure I'd be happy to replace "Green Lantern" with another "The Seventh Seal" - but that's effectively saying "why doesn't Hollywood stop making bad movies and just make good ones". That is just not a helpful thing to say. Hollywood makes all kinds of movies, usually bad but sometimes good in all genres and niches. In general, I'd say there's more quality movies per year pretty much every year - and movies in most genres are getting continuously better (look at, say, kid's animated films and compare the "best list" between the 1980s and the 2000s).

      And, yes, comic book movies too have stretched into "good movie" territory. "Dark Knight" was pretty watchable, and I thought "The Watchmen" (while panned in many quarters) was visually interesting and had a lot of redeeming qualities. And suppose they did quit comic book movies, what would they do for mass market summer movies? You miss "original" stuff like "Armageddon"? Sure, I'd love another "Raiders of the Lost Ark" too - but, again, it's not helpful to say you want good movies. Most people in Hollywood want to make good movies too - but whether they do so is a function of talent, effort and luck, not genre.

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    20. Re:Yawn. by maxume · · Score: 1

      Animation was a great match for the throwaway absurdity that is The Tick. A movie would probably be fun, but I'd rather see another cartoon series.

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    21. Re:Yawn. by vlm · · Score: 1

      Considering that the blockbusters outsell any other genre of movie by disgusting margins. I'd say that your theory is more then a little off.

      Not at all... Lets try it with your numbers...

      "Then instead of getting a blockbuster miracle percentage of 100% of the 10 million easily amused population to show up at a theater, you might get perhaps 10% of the 300 million total population to show up.

      Run the numbers, see which profit you'd prefer."

      The part they don't get is if your product's market is only a tiny fraction of the total population, no matter how perfectly and expensively it appeals to that tiny little market, even the most mediocre competitor that appeals to a good fraction of "everyone" can outsell you 10 to 1 without even trying.

      Or rephrased, almost no one cares about movies anymore because they're only manufactured to appeal to the small subculture that likes them. Standard slashdot car analogy is its like making a big deal about Volvo's new car lineup; no one cares. Now the Ford F-150, that's a big deal because a very large segment of the population is interested.

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    22. Re:Yawn. by Shark · · Score: 2

      Sounds like the plot for Fast&Furious movies.

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    23. Re:Yawn. by morari · · Score: 1

      Earth 2 would make for a great film! The show left a lot of questions unanswered. I still don't think that Tim Curry's character is really gone for good.

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    24. Re:Yawn. by morari · · Score: 2

      I don't know, the live-action series worked just as well if not better than the cartoon.

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    25. Re:Yawn. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 2

      They've already green-lit a sequel.

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    26. Re:Yawn. by cocoajunkie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Second rate is way too generous, for this overrated soulless Hollywood drivel. This is even worse than the Hulk movie. All the "right ingredients" are there, in a predetermined and marketing driven demographical exact formula. However, at the end of the day this film is just like a flashy bimbo: lots of promises, very shallow depth, all the right things at the right place, but no ideas, humor and no imagination worth speaking of save the usual tiresome plentitude of visual effects. And the basic message is what? That the biggest you are (or become) the best winner you get? That enemies are mono-dimensional villains, and just need to be exterminated. I don't know who needs or is buying this propaganda today, the message is outdated and worth a yawn. 73% on Rotten Tomatoes is even too much.

    27. Re:Yawn. by rainmouse · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the plot for Fast&Furious movies.

      Pretty much, its like Fast and Furious but designed in such a way as to only appeal to Americans.

    28. Re:Yawn. by CapuchinSeven · · Score: 2

      Cap hunted communist's actually, I'm glad that comics have grown a little past that, knee jerk to the latest enemy type of thinking. Although, we still have " Crazy Old Frank" Miller. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Terror_(graphic_novel)

    29. Re:Yawn. by SnarfQuest · · Score: 1

      Like "The Flintstones". They should be able to get 3 or 4 more out of that.

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    30. Re:Yawn. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 1

      Online streaming, DVD and Blu-ray rentals and purchases need to be taken into account to get the whole picture. When all that is considered movies and television are probably more profitable than they've ever been. That may be offset by rising production costs and competition from other media, but I don't know enough about the industry to know if that's the case.

      I think the real shift here is that the average consumer has been trained to be a lot less discerning. There was a time when summer blockbusters were incidental, now they're expected. People want entertainment, quality is secondary.

      All these remakes are intended to get suckers like us watching movies. We know some new movie might trample all over our childhood memories, but we still watch these movies on the odd chance they've actually done a good job. Of course, the movie industry keeps making these movies because people watch them. When sales of remakes finally decline we'll start seeing more original content.

    31. Re:Yawn. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 2

      After the success of both the awful Transformers sequels, nothing should surprise us.

    32. Re:Yawn. by tripleevenfall · · Score: 1

      Stan Lee had nothing to do with this character.

    33. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I saw Captain America, they had trailers for a bunch of movies. I remember saying "Well, at least that's original - not a comic or anything" when I saw one of them. The problem is, I can't remember ANYTHING else about the trailer

      1. Movies are expensive. Safer to go with a known subject with an inbuilt fan base to see it even if it sucks.

      2. Movies are a collaborative effort. It's not just the writer, not just the director, not just the actors, not just the special effects. It takes a lot of people to make a movie good. With an original topic, EVERYONE tries to shape it. The writer knew what he wanted, but the director feels free to ignore him. The actors try to control their characters, regardless of what the writer/director wanted. etc. etc. With a built in fan base, everyone knows they have to stick to the original idea, not wanter off base.

    34. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, the movies are being funded and pushed by Marvel Comics themselves, it's not so much movie studios trying to ride the superhero movie bandwagon so much as it is comic book companies trying to port their work to the big screen.

    35. Re:Yawn. by ultranova · · Score: 3, Funny

      And the basic message is what?

      "Steroids are awesome."

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    36. Re:Yawn. by CraftyJack · · Score: 1

      Aw, crap. I'm about to be pilloried.

    37. Re:Yawn. by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      Its about time Hollywood came up with something original instead of digging ever deeper into the list of 2nd rate comic book "heroes"?

      I don't know if I'd call Captain America a 2nd rate hero... He's a fairly major character in the Avengers line...

      But I'm really getting pretty sick of these superhero origin movies. They're all the same.

      Somebody acquires superpowers.
      We get a montage as they learn to use their powers.
      They do some vaguely heroic things, fighting fairly mundane enemies.
      Then they're put to the test against some superior foe and have to become a true hero.

      It isn't much different if they're Batman, the Green Lantern, the Green Hornet, Thor, Iron Man, The Hulk, or Spider-Man. Sure, the plot will be slightly different... The characters and acting will be slightly different... The visuals will be different... But, ultimately, it's the same story.

      I like superheroes. I read comics for years. I've enjoyed them quite a bit. But the origin stories were never the best part.

      And it seems like all we get from Hollywood is a never-ending barrage of origin stories. Now we're going to reboot Spider-Man and see his origin again...

      I did not go to see Thor, or Captain America, or Green Lantern specifically because I'm sick of origin stories - not because I didn't think they looked good or I didn't like those comics or whatever. I just don't want to see another origin story. Show me something else. Come up with something original. Or, hell, just jump into the middle of some superhero story and let me see them fighting some awesome supervillains - I don't need to see an origin movie for absolutely every superhero out there. Just run through enough exposition to let me know who's good and who's evil; and give me a good story. If the audience is really curious enough, you can give us an origin story later.

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    38. Re:Yawn. by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      AND he still makes a cameo!

      .

    39. Re:Yawn. by maxume · · Score: 1

      I don't really remember the live action series.

      My comment is based on the notion that there could be quite a few cartoon episodes for the same budget as a movie with so-so effects.

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    40. Re:Yawn. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      According to official Marvel history, Steve Rodgers didn't fight the commies until after he was resuscitated from being frozen. Captain America II and III did fight the red menace though (a ret-con in the Avengers series).

    41. Re:Yawn. by Slider451 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stanley Tucci's scientist character conveyed the message: the serum only amplifies what's in your heart. Since Steve Rogers is pure of heart with an indomitable will he is one of the few who can ingest it and come out for the better. It's classic Stan Lee cliche (aka "With great power comes great responsibility"), yet I think it's done very well here.

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    42. Re:Yawn. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I don't really remember the live action [Tick] series.

      Thank your maker. It didn't last even one season for a reason. The animated series, however, did.

    43. Re:Yawn. by Toonol · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Stan Lee had nothing to do with this character.

      Well, except for bringing him back to life in the sixties, and casting him as a soldier out of time, Without Stan Lee, Cap would be a mostly forgotten historical footnote, like (say) the original Human Torch.

    44. Re:Yawn. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      For example, I'd consider most of M Night Shyamalan's movies to be fairly original, and yet, somehow they often end up lame.

      That's the curse of originality. Some may turn out great, and others turn out to be stinkers. Shyamalan's movies are like that: Sixth Sense was great, Signs was pretty good, but Unbreakable was lame and that one about the girl in the pool just sucked. The Village was really good, and The Happening was pretty good too.

      Making something new and original is risky; there's no way around it. But greater risk can bring you much greater rewards. If you never always stick with the tried-and-true, and never try out anything new, you get stagnation and you may miss out on something great.

      What Hollywood is doing now is stagnating. Some of these comic-book movies are very entertaining, don't get me wrong. But they're not really that great, and they're really missing out on making some great films like some of the stuff that came out in the 70s and 80s.

      One pet peeve I have now is: where are the sci-fi films? There seems to be a giant dearth of sci-fi movies these days, even though FX are better than ever and with today's animation and renderfarms, they should be able to do just about anything. All I can remember from the past few years is Moon and Avatar and the new Star Trek, all pretty good movies (actually Moon was excellent), but that's only 3, and one of those was a remake/reboot (another Hollywood staple these days which is getting annoying). Remember how many sci-fi movies there were in the 70s and 80s and even 90s? Star Wars trilogy, a ton of Star Trek movies, John Carpenter's "The Thing", Stargate (the movie), Starman, Enemy Mine, Alien, Aliens (it's too bad they never made any sequels to that...), the Terminator, Terminator 2 (again, too bad they never made any sequels...), I could go on and on. How many decent sci-fi movies have come out of Hollywood in the last 10 years? Remember, comic-book movies and Transformers don't count. Those are fantasy, not sci-fi. I think I've seen more foreign sci-fi movies from the last 10 years than I have Hollywood ones (thanks to Netflix). I saw a French one a while about a guy in a giant tree's underground root system that I wish I could remember the name of, which was pretty amazing.

    45. Re:Yawn. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I disagree.

      Hollywood doesn't care about making good movies; they only care about a return on their investment. For various reasons, they have become very risk-averse in the last decade, and as a result, there's a lot less great movies than there used to be. Sure, there were stinkers, plenty of them; that's the problem when you take risks. Sometimes it succeeds beyond your wildest imagination, other times it fizzles. But you never realize great rewards unless you take risks, and that's something that Hollywood doesn't do much any more (with few exceptions, like Avatar, where Cameron did it with his own money--he was willing to take a big risk, which the regular studios were not).

      It wasn't always this way. Look at the original Star Wars. That was a big risk, and it panned out spectacularly (let's not think about the Prequels 20 years later). These days, such a project would never get a green-light because it's too risky. Instead, they stick with comic-book movies, because they're safe. They're not going to be the next Star Wars, but there's always a good number of people willing to pay to see some comic-book character they remember translated to live action on the big screen with today's movie technology.

      As for being original, many of the best Hollywood movies have been original, not derived from books or other places (like video games....). It really isn't that easy to translate a book to a movie; the formats are far too different, and there really isn't much time in a 2-hour movie to fit in all the stuff from a book.

    46. Re:Yawn. by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      What do you have against flashy bimbos? You shouldn't expect a conversation after you get what you paid for, so you won't realize there is a lack of ideas, humor or imagination.

      Movies are not the Internet. There is no interaction. You go to be spoon-fed syrup.

      Of course, that is why I don't go, but ... meh?...

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    47. Re:Yawn. by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      Super8, Cowboys and Aliens, Tron Legacy, Predators, I Am Number Four, Race to Witch Mountain, Real Steel (aka Rock'em Sock'em Robots the Movie) and hell even the Transformers is technically Sci-Fi. It's just crap also. And oh yeah there was a sci-fi movie out in 09 that got some attention. Blue people, space marines, giant space tree and hundreds of millions in sfx....

    48. Re:Yawn. by tbannist · · Score: 1

      The difficulty with your proposition is making something that appeals to a good fraction of "everyone" is extremely difficult.

      Avatar is the top grossing movie of all time, only about 40 million people saw it in the theatres. That's 0.7% of "everyone".

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    49. Re:Yawn. by tbannist · · Score: 1

      There's a reason for the slew of origin stories... They're doing the origins of the Avengers so that don't have to cover that in the Avengers movie. Also they want to appeal to people who never read the comics too so they start with the origin story as a way of introducing the character. Then they can hopefully make 2 or 3 sequels before they burn out the lead actor(s) (or the audience) and have to start over again.

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    50. Re:Yawn. by Ephemeriis · · Score: 1

      There's a reason for the slew of origin stories... They're doing the origins of the Avengers so that don't have to cover that in the Avengers movie. Also they want to appeal to people who never read the comics too so they start with the origin story as a way of introducing the character.

      But you don't actually have to do an origin story for each major character.

      Look at something like Watchmen. Alright, maybe not the best movie... Maybe not the best adaptation. But they managed to tell a story about several different heroes without actually doing separate origin movies for each character.

      Don't like that example? How about Star Wars? You could easily argue that the whole series was basically an origin story for Luke... But Han and Obi-Wan and Leia and Chewie and Yoda and Darth Vader all managed to be pretty cool characters without their own origin stories.

      How about the Indiana Jones movies? We eventually got some flashbacks to when he was younger... And that horrible Young Indie TV-series... But there were a couple solid movies before anybody started worrying about an origin story.

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    51. Re:Yawn. by JMZero · · Score: 2

      As for being original, many of the best Hollywood movies have been original, not derived from books or other places (like video games....).

      Yes, there's many original screenplays that have done well - but I stand by what I said before: most great movies are adaptations. Look through any list of great films, I think you'll find I'm right (I tried this, and the list I picked was around 75% adaptations).

      It really isn't that easy to translate a book to a movie; the formats are far too different,

      Nor is it easy to write something original. In any case, there's plenty of book-to-movie transitions that have come out great - including, again, the bulk of the best movies of all time. The nice part about books is there's so many to choose from, and you can see which stories work and resonate with people before you start.

      Hollywood doesn't care about making good movies; they only care about a return on their investment.

      That's true to an extent, but perhaps more than any media movie success is tied to reviews - meaning even the business people are targetting quality. Of course there are exceptions (and there are other dollar drivers that are potent in different genres, like toys in kids movies) but almost everyone in film is setting out to make something they think people will like. Even creators in what was once the most cynical genre - again, kids movies - have discovered that doing quality is more lucrative than aiming low and hoping for toy sales. It's hard to look at "UP" or "Wall-E" and say they weren't risks - they defied most of the "kids movie" rules, focused on quality, and were successful.

      there's a lot less great movies than there used to be

      What decade had more strong movies than the 2000s? I strongly doubt you could make a case that any decade had a significantly better selection. This is an easy mistake to make - and I hear it all the time in the context of movies, video games, books, etc... but when you consider things fairly it's almost never true.

      And, if anything, filmmakers take way more risks than they used to. You can find way more experimental film now because it's actually possible to shoot a quality, truly-low-budget film.

      Conversely, if you want to find "low risk" crap, look at the neverending piles of crap from the 50s, 60s and 70s. Sequels like crazy, ripoffs, movies whose design started by making a poster and a title (or a star coupling and a vague genre idea). When movies were that expensive, studios had to bank more heavily than they do now on poster appeal, known stars, and non-threatening plot. Slow information travel meant they could get away with much worse films. And nostalgia makes old movies seem better than they were (as you'd expect - the pioneering techniques of the best directors, actors, and technicians have all been passed around and are now standard fare, so filmmakers have a huge wealth of ideas to pull from).

      Just as an exercise, start looking through lists of the best films in each decade (or even year). You're going to see some depressingly short lists as you go further back. Of course there's exceptional times and years, but overall it's a strong upward trend in the number of good movies.

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    52. Re:Yawn. by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      They've always been risk averse. The comic-book movies have proven to be good bets lately, though. If you've got to bet, would you put your money on a 90% chance of a 150% return, or a 10% chance on a 1500% return? It's a hard gamble, but it's always easy to sit back and go long on other people's money.

      There are just as many great movies as there always were. Do you think there was a "Gone With the Wind" every year up until 1990? Just look at how many movies there are in Netflix that you wouldn't want to spend a dime on. I remember watching a "blockbuster" called "Krull" when I was in highschool. Thought it was really cool then. Watched part of it a few years ago, and had to give up when the my cringing got to bad (damn! That was an awful movie.)

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    53. Re:Yawn. by antdude · · Score: 1
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    54. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am suspicious of you considering your personal reactions as representative of the country at large. Harry Potter was not especially original, certainly not by the eighth installment, yet it had the highest opening weekend of all time. The previous record holder was Batman. Again, a new treatment of old material.

    55. Re:Yawn. by ConaxConax · · Score: 1
      Does The Matrix count as Sci-Fi? There seems to have been a re-emergence of fantasy recently, also, action movies. Statham, Vin Diesel, Matt Damon off the top of my head.

      Was Captain America a kind of light science fiction when it was written?

    56. Re:Yawn. by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      For example, I'd consider most of M Night Shyamalan's movies to be fairly original, and yet, somehow they often end up lame.

      What a twist!

    57. Re:Yawn. by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      I don't understand. Are you suggesting that Marvel Studio's stop making comic book movies?

      The entire point of Marvel Studios is to convert its IP from low circulation and poor profit comic books to the lucrative movie/tv market.

    58. Re:Yawn. by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Just spoke to David Weber over the weekend, and apparently he's close to signing a movie deal based on the Honor Harrington series...

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    59. Re:Yawn. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You obviously didn't even read my whole post, as I mentioned Avatar as an exception. Avatar is even more exceptional, IIRC: it wasn't a normal Hollywood production, as it was financed entirely by James Cameron. This only reinforces my assertion that Hollywood is risk-averse, so that a director has to spend his own money to make a good original movie, rather than a re-make or a comic-book movie.

      I did overlook District 9, but then again, wasn't that a South African movie? Not exactly Hollywood.

      Transformers is NOT sci-fi. It's more like a video-game movie, except it's based on a line of children's toys and a cartoon that later came out based on those toys.

      I'm not sure you can call Tron Legacy sci-fi, that's more like fantasy.

      So where are the movies with actual space ships or occurring on other planets? The ones like Alien/Aliens, that largely take place inside deep space ships or on human colonies on other worlds? (Again, Moon and Avatar are exceptions. Avatar was a one-man production, and Moon was a low-budget independent movie, not taking advantage of the great FX capabilities available now to the larger studios.)

    60. Re:Yawn. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't know that Krull was a "blockbuster". It may have tried to pitch itself as that, but didn't it flop at the box office? And with good reason: it was supposed to star Arnold Schwarzenegger and be a Conan sequel, but that didn't pan out so it got recycled into what it became.

    61. Re:Yawn. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'd say Matrix is sci-fi, yes, but that was over 10 years ago (1998 IIRC). I'm really talking about the 2000s here. That was a great movie, BTW, even with Keanu. It's too bad they never made any sequels.

      I'm not denying a re-emergence of fantasy or action either. My complaint is that there's a shortage of real sci-fi movies, the kind with people in space ships or on other planets. Not stuff about intelligent robots created by a magical cube, that's fantasy (which I will guiltily admit to enjoying as a mindless Netflix viewing, but it's not sci-fi). There used to be tons of this stuff back in the 70s and 80s (i.e., back when we had a manned space program), but it's quite rare now, and even Matrix doesn't really qualify for that kind of "traditional sci-fi".

    62. Re:Yawn. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't understand. Are you suggesting that Marvel Studio's stop making comic book movies?

      Absolutely not, just like I'm not suggesting that anyone stop making romantic comedies. I just want to see more traditional sci-fi movies on the big screen.

    63. Re:Yawn. by C0R1D4N · · Score: 1

      Movies don't have to have anything to do with space to be science fiction, but to answer your question Star Trek came out in 09 with a new one coming out in 12 or 13. It's not an original ip no, but then again none of the star trek movies were ever truly original (being based off tv series). It is simply hollywood taking advantage of a fashion, like disaster movies in the 90s or reality tv in the 00s or sitcoms in the 80s/90s. Something revolutionary will come along in its own due course but revolutionary isn't something big studios (movies or video games) are capable of producing. Just the nature of the beast it can't be changed. Find a way to entertain yourself or or take the risk and be the rebel..

    64. Re:Yawn. by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1

      Well it looks like Seth MacFarlane is set to remake the TV show. http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/tvandradioblog/2011/may/17/flintstones-seth-macfarlane

    65. Re:Yawn. by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      If you redefine Science Fiction as 'people in space ships or on other planets', I am not surprised that you missed a lot of good Science Fiction.

      To give just two examples: "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind", and "Inception" are both Science Fiction, and they're great movies.

      Mart

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    66. Re:Yawn. by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      That's some mighty fine trolling, Lou.

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    67. Re:Yawn. by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Never made any sequels? Are you being sarcastic? Is that some jab at how bad the sequels were? Or are you seriously unaware that there were 2 sequels?

      I do miss movies such as Outland, 2001, 2010, etc.. The first few Alien films were fantastic, but I hate how so many sci-fi films have to be horror films to succeed.

      I think what you mean is "Hard Science Fiction". There's been rumors of an Enders game adaptation for ages. Avatar was fantastic (in more ways than one), but was part fantasy, part sci fi.

      They're still being made, just not as often. In the last 10 years or so.. I recall Pitch Black, Chronicles of Riddick, Pandorum (That was just last year)..

    68. Re:Yawn. by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Actually, Inception really falls more into the realm of fantasy than Science Fiction. However, Science fiction is a broad topic, and often includes fantasy. Most of what seems to come out these days is fantasy with technology. True, it's science fiction.. but not in a traditional sense. Science Fiction has always been about fiction based in realistic futures.. I mean, come on.. there's a huge difference between Blade Runner and Priest.

    69. Re:Yawn. by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Star Wars and Indiana Jones were not comic books (or at least they weren't until after the movies).

      Watchmen was largely an origins movie, because it dealt with things that happened in previous incarnations of the characters, and with characters past lives. You learned about the characters as the movie went along because it delved into their histories.

      The point of The Avengers movie is that they don't want to have to introduce the characters (not even the villian). They just deal with the formation of the group to fight the enemy, rather than the individual members.

    70. Re:Yawn. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Never made any sequels? Are you being sarcastic? Is that some jab at how bad the sequels were? Or are you seriously unaware that there were 2 sequels?

      Whoosh! Here's the obligatory xkcd:
      http://xkcd.com/566/

      I do miss movies such as Outland, 2001, 2010, etc.

      Yes, that's what I'm talking about.

      I think what you mean is "Hard Science Fiction".

      No, I intentionally avoided that term, because a bunch of extremists will immediately swoop in to remind you that FTL speeds are utterly impossible, or some other bashing of regular sci-fi movies that most people like but these extremists will say is impossible, while something like "Eternal Sunshine on a Spotless Mind" is "hard sci-fi" because it involves a very near future with one technology that isn't yet developed, but is certainly within the realm of the possible (erasing memories).

      Don't get me wrong, Jim Carrey's movie was good, but I was trying to make up a term describing the regular old sci-fi involving spaceships, other planets, possibly aliens, and not just present day+a few years+one new technology, or a movie about intelligent toy robots, brought to life by a magical cube, smashing each other to bits, and then resurrecting themselves with questionable plot devices.

      Pandorum was a good one I had forgotten to mention. I haven't seen the Vin Diesel ones yet; I haven't heard good things about those.

    71. Re:Yawn. by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 1

      Ok, so yeah, not an xkcd regular. Shoot me.

      Pitch Black was classic sci/horror with the evil monster in space. If you liked Alien, it's got all the same elements, plus a pretty interesting anti-hero. It's certainly not 2001, but it's what you expect it to be. Critics don't generally understand that concept.

      Chronicles of Riddick takes the same anti-hero, and adds a mythology around it and an evil race of space faring pirates who hijack entire worlds. Thow in some techno magery, and some class warfare for good measure. It was interesting in that in that it had a lot of elements of things like Dune and even Firefly (minus the witty whedonesque dialogue), but mixed it up in a fairly unique new way. Again, nothing new, just a good execution in my book. Again, the critics didn't see it the same way.

      Then again, the Critics hated The Matrix.. shame they never made any sequels.

    72. Re:Yawn. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do know the meaning of the word "original", right? If it is based on (or a re-hash of) something else it is not original.

  2. Ah! So that explains it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the 70 years under ice was why Marvel skipped the political issue and why Captain America wasn't kicking ass in Vietnam?

  3. Yawn by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Another "movie" made from a comic book.

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  4. Simply? by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2, Informative

    It sucked. Boring. Waste of time. Save your money. You won't really remember it in five years.

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    1. Re:Simply? by PrescriptionWarning · · Score: 4, Informative

      I concur, the movie wasn't great at all. You know its pretty bad when they use a montage for the first real action set that the Captain is in. And not a good montage in the least.

    2. Re:Simply? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You just described pretty much every superhero movie.

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    3. Re:Simply? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      eh - wrong! on all counts!

      go back to watching your favorite movie of all time "The Navigator" - the absolute worst movie of all time!

    4. Re:Simply? by Bardez · · Score: 2

      That was my major complaint. After the first sequence, there was a 2-minute montage of action. It didn't get across how good of a soldier/leader Cap was supposed to be. It was glossed over, similar to how unbelievable Thor's humility turnaround was. It kinda ruined it for me, but I have to remind myself how much else worked pretty well (such as what was mentioned in the review).

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    5. Re:Simply? by JMZero · · Score: 1

      You just described pretty much every superhero movie.

      I think he described pretty much every movie. Most of everything is crap.

      The fact that there's actually been decent superhero movies in a genre with so few total films suggests that it's probably at or above average in terms of "percentage of films in genre that are worthwhile". I mean, if "will you remember it in five years" is the criteria, what percentage of romantic comedies are worthwhile films? What percentage of action movies in general? As I said elsewhere in this thread, it's easy to say "Hollywood, make good movies", but it's not like anyone is trying to do something else (well... maybe a few are). Certainly there may be genres you personally prefer, but that's not a reflector of general value - and certain niches like crowd friendly action are going to get filled by something.

      And you're in pretty choppy water if you want to pick good movies based on general story ideas (like, having a superhero). I mean, if you look at the surface plot and setting, is there really much daylight between "Easy Virtue" and "The Importance of Being Earnest (2002)"? Heck, they even both have Colin Firth. And yet one is painful, unwatchable garbage and the other was a pleasant, funny gem. You have to take the good with the bad in any genre or setting.

      Similarly, do you really want to disqualify "The Watchmen" (which was close to being very good) because "Spiderman III" was garbage? How many horrible space action movies are there to balance out "Empire Strikes Back"? How many crappy Crime Noir type films are there to balance out "Maltese Falcon"? Maybe there hasn't been a great superhero movie yet (I didn't think "Dark Knight" was great), but there's been several that have been perfectly fine.

      There will be good and bad movies. Personally, I'm happier with comic book movies being the "normal summer fare" than some of the crap they replaced (think "Armageddon").

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    6. Re:Simply? by vgerclover · · Score: 1

      Batman? (in Burton's and Nolan's incarnations)

    7. Re:Simply? by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      You just described pretty much every superhero movie.

      Pretty much; you're right. But there are exceptions. I still remember rolling my eyes on the way to the theater, telling a friend, "I can't believe we're going to go see a movie called Robocop."

      Good movies are where you find them.

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    8. Re:Simply? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      I still remember rolling my eyes on the way to the theater, telling a friend, "I can't believe we're going to go see a movie called Robocop."

      It gets worse. Much worse.

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    9. Re:Simply? by IICV · · Score: 1

      Including The Dark Night movies?

      Say what you will, but the recent reboot of the Batman franchise has been handled extremely well.

    10. Re:Simply? by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      It all seemed so superficial. Nothing ever presented much of a challenge to the heroes; Captain America is never nicked by a bullet, none of his team is ever hit by the blue rays, etc. The one meaningful death was a godawful slip and fall into a huge ravine, ala Snow White. With lasers that disintegrate an entire human upon any impact, you'd think at least some of them would have picked up a glancing shot. But no, the only thing any of the bad guys can manage to hit is the shield, and that metal is somehow immune both to bullets and disintegration rays.

      (Bullets they explain away when the shield is introduced, but the disintegration rays are just assumed. The movie would have been much shorter, though better, if the first one of those that hit the shield had disintegrated it and its bearer, and Steve Rogers' friend would have taken on the role as Captain America with more humility and better equipment. Or swap it around so the friend is the first Captain America and Steve has to follow in his footsteps.)

      As it is, it seemed very much to be a superhero product of the 1940s: unfortunately simple and out of its time.

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    11. Re:Simply? by theArtificial · · Score: 1

      Including The Dark Night movies?

      Say what you will, but the recent reboot of the Batman franchise has been handled extremely well.

      Apparently the reboot was handled so extremely well you're not able to recall the title correctly! I jest! I really enjoyed the new movies especially The Dark Knight.

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    12. Re:Simply? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Batman? (in Burton's and Nolan's incarnations)

      Sucked ass (Burton). And was boring and silly (Nolan). Both of those filmmakers had done good work before those movies too (Burton with Edward Scissorhands and Nolan with Memento). But something about a superhero movie, when the studio gives you that big budget with all its strings attached, can make even the best director turn out a paint-by-numbers piece of shit.

      There *have* been a few exceptions (lest it appear that I hate *every* superhero movie). The first Superman was quite epic. Mystery Men was funny. Quite a few indies have been good (Special is a personal favorite). The Watchmen was pretty good.

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    13. Re:Simply? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Including The Dark Night movies?

      Oh yeah. And it's not because I hate Nolan, either. Memento and The Prestige are two of my favorites movies from the 00's. But I find his Batman movies boring and unremarkable. Mind you, Batman is probably impossible to make interesting, IMHO. For all his dark reputation, at the end of the day you still have to put him in that silly costume and that ridiculous Batmobile (which can at best be presented as surreal, or at worst as pure camp). No one is going to accept a Batman movie where Bruce Wayne just goes around solving crimes, after all. So I can sympathize with anyone stuck with the task of trying to make a guy walking around in a giant cape, and driving a car that no vigilante wanting to keep a low profile would even think of driving, appear serious.

      Nolan did his best, but again it's probably an impossible task. Frankly, I find the idea of a superhero who no superpowers sort of inherently ridiculous to begin with. I mean, Superman can wear a stupid costume because it really doesn't matter what he wears. But Batman is just cutting off his peripheral vision and giving the bad guys a cape to choke him with. And don't even get me started on the stupidity of fighting armed bad guys with shit like a "Batarang." It's hard to think of a Batman that I could take seriously. And if I did, he would probably just be The Punisher (the only non-superpowered superhero that I could ever look at without laughing).

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    14. Re:Simply? by JudgeFurious · · Score: 1

      I disagree. I thought it was outstanding and plan on seeing it again before it leaves theaters. It was basically the Captain America movie I've wanted to see since I was a kid.

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    15. Re:Simply? by Xacid · · Score: 1

      I felt like the whole movie was a montage. As if they HAD to condense so much into 90 minutes instead of just telling a story. I left feeling very unfulfilled, personally.

  5. Good to hear by webheaded · · Score: 1

    I'd seen some snobby reviews on Metacritic at the outset but most people I talk to seem to really like this. I am glad. I can't wait to see it...going tomorrow. I am a huge Cap fan. I started reading with Ed Brubaker's run that started a few years ago and never looked back. :)

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    1. Re:Good to hear by Sancho · · Score: 1

      I enjoyed it a lot. I think that a big part of it was the setting, but I found it much more engrossing than Thor. By the time the action stopped, I barely realized that two hours had passed.

      It's not a deep or intellectual movie. Like just about every superhero movie, it's a popcorn flick that's just designed to kill a few hours. But it was great at what it was aiming to do.

  6. Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Did you hear about the blonde who tried to bomb the Norwegian government?

    1. Re:Who cares by captainpanic · · Score: 1

      Did you hear about the blonde who tried to bomb the Norwegian government?

      He went to an island, and shot 85 people?

      Not a particularly good joke.
      Did you hear about the horse who walked into a bar?

    2. Re:Who cares by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Was she hot?

  7. Agreed by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

    Though I have to admit that I like all comic book films... mostly. One issue with Cap A. There isn't one scene, or an actual climax moment, that sticks to the mind. No truly stand out lines that I will be quoting.

    It was all good, maybe even great. Very, very fun to watch. But it never had that "Indiana Jones under the truck" or "Indiana Jones hates snakes" or "Its just a thin mint" moment or line that we will be thinking about and/or repeating....

    1. Re:Agreed by Talderas · · Score: 1

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    2. Re:Agreed by xerxesVII · · Score: 1

      "No truly stand out lines that I will be quoting."

      This is very good news. I don't mind movies coming out that I don't give a damn about, but when the insufferable quotes start bleeding into conversations it's like second-hand stupid. So it pleases me very much to hear that there's nothing worth quoting from this one.

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    3. Re:Agreed by djshaffer · · Score: 1

      But it never had that "Indiana Jones under the truck" or "Indiana Jones hates snakes" or "Its just a thin mint" moment or line that we will be thinking about and/or repeating....

      "I had a date". Okay, it's not that quotable. But it is the line that makes you realize that this story is, in a very real sense, a tragedy.

    4. Re:Agreed by Slider451 · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I wish they would have spent some more time, even one minute would have sufficed, showing Rogers reflecting on what he's lost and contrasting that against the chaos of his new reality. He may wish he'd stayed dead.

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    5. Re:Agreed by basotl · · Score: 5, Informative

      The quotes that stick out to me were more for displaying the depth of Steve Rogers character.
      Jumps on a grenade and then realizes it doesn't go off:
      Captain America/Steve Rogers: Is this a test?

      Steve Rogers: "Why me?"
      Dr. Abraham Erskine: "...because a weak man knows the value of strength, the value of power..."

      Red Skull: What makes you so special?
      Steve Rogers / Captain America: Nothing. I'm just a kid from Brooklyn.

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    6. Re:Agreed by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

      This is very good news. I don't mind movies coming out that I don't give a damn about, but when the insufferable quotes start bleeding into conversations it's like second-hand stupid. So it pleases me very much to hear that there's nothing worth quoting from this one.

      Bueller?

      Bueller?

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    7. Re:Agreed by DaScribbler · · Score: 1

      A tragedy in the sense that at the end, you realize Cap is a 90 year old virgin.

    8. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I can do this all day."

    9. Re:Agreed by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      That one was pretty good.

  8. saw it this weekend by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    what makes captain america so good is that it is straightforward, honest, and unironic

    it's a throwback to the pulp of the 1940s, and when i say that, i'm not talking about speech and clothing, i'm talking about worldview and attitude and theme

    the world today is cynical and oh-so-knowing. the world back then was uncomplicated: good was good and evil was evil

    now, pleae: don't get me wrong: abandoning modern day wordliness is not be a good idea for your ideological health

    but in order to make an entertaining MOVIE, it works quite effectively

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    1. Re:saw it this weekend by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      lol ;-)

      imagining someone said something they didn't and then overreacting to that voice in your head hysterically is not the slashdot way. it is, unfortunately, the way of the world, from marriages to national politics

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    2. Re:saw it this weekend by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      The nice thing about fighting the Nazis is that you really don't have to wonder whether you're on the side of the angels.

      Anyway, I saw it with my kids and we all enjoyed it -- another home run from Marvel.

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    3. Re:saw it this weekend by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      here there is no such thing as "you fucking know what the guy was saying so quit acting like he ran over your dog", oh no.

      Well, (-1, Overrated) works pretty well as a defense against those types.

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    4. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "The nice thing about fighting the Nazis is that you really don't have to wonder whether you're on the side of the angels."

      I'm not convinced. A movie with Nazis where you weren't really quite sure whether they were the good guys or bad guys could be pretty interesting.

      Lest people get the wrong idea, no, I'm not sympathizing with the Nazis or their ideology, I'm just saying that sometimes twisting an audience's preconceptions by turning things upside-down can make for a good movie. Same for "heroes" that aren't clearly "good", and "villains" that aren't so clearly "evil". I think there is real value in reminding people that good and evil are often not clear-cut in the real world, and the challenge is to recognize it in ourselves and what we do even though we *think* we are doing good.

      Anyway, for entertainment value, there is merit in both the "clear-cut good-and-evil" epic and "ambiguous" ones that cause you to question your expectations. I guess this one is the former, which is fine.

    5. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the world back then was uncomplicated: good was good and evil was evil

      No, it wasn't. It never, ever was. Not in the 40's, not in the 30's, not in any other time period in all of human history. It only appears that way to you because you're looking at the 40's through the lenses of period pieces, the propaganda of the time, and your own advantage of hindsight. To the people actually living back then, things could look just as murky as they do to us now.

      now, pleae: don't get me wrong: abandoning modern day wordliness is not be a good idea for your ideological health

      You should take that advice.

    6. Re:saw it this weekend by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      hey! we were just talking about you:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2347554&cid=36871112

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    7. Re:saw it this weekend by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      Well, (-1, Overrated) works pretty well as a defense against those types.

      Wouldn't that be -1 Overreacted?

      And isn't this thread a -1 Offtopic already? :)

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    8. Re:saw it this weekend by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      I'm just saying that sometimes twisting an audience's preconceptions by turning things upside-down can make for a good movie.

      That would highly depend on who's the target audience. For the huge majority, I don't think that feeling uncomfortable about their preconceptions or getting the impression that a movie is sympathizing with Nazis would make them call it a good movie.For some minorities, in the other hand, it could well be acclaimed.

      Which type of target (huge majority vs. some minority) an industry is more likely to choose?

      To me, there's only one reason why blockbusters are blockbusters: they please a huge number of people willing to pay the theater price to watch it.

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    9. Re:saw it this weekend by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      I'm not convinced. A movie with Nazis where you weren't really quite sure whether they were the good guys or bad guys could be pretty interesting.

      Go rent The Dirty Dozen. A suicide squad of murderers, rapists, and thieves. It would be good for Hollywood to not fall into the "it's the opposite of what you expect trope" with nazis though. No need for Springtime for Hitler in Germany.

    10. Re:saw it this weekend by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      .. I think there is real value in reminding people that good and evil are often not clear-cut in the real world, and the challenge is to recognize it in ourselves and what we do even though we *think* we are doing good.

      Anyway, for entertainment value, there is merit in both the "clear-cut good-and-evil" epic and "ambiguous" ones that cause you to question your expectations. I guess this one is the former, which is fine.

      Das Boot for the latter.

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    11. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hardly. I was refuting something you explicitly said.

    12. Re:saw it this weekend by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      you are refuting an inference you made into something I explicitly said

      but don't worry about it, you're functioning at standard operating parameters for much of the world: extrapolate the most outrageous meaning from someone's words, and react to that instead of someone's actual words

      so by all means, carrry on, mr. spastic. try me for grave crimes in high holy indignation and find me evil and guilty. you have a lot of company in this modus operandi. does it soothe your ego?

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    13. Re:saw it this weekend by hey! · · Score: 1

      Oh, it's more than just a throwback to 1940s movies. *Captain America is a fantasy story*.

      *Thor* was science fiction. A lot of people thought the sci-fi doubletalk didn't belong in a movie about Norse Gods, but that made a kind of sense to me. *Thor* is a palace intrigue story about a foreign power meddling in dynastic succession. The title character's journey, while having elements of the fantastic, is intended to be psychologically convincing given the experiences the character has. Thor undergoes an internal transformation. Steven Rogers undergoes an *external* transformation, so psychological realism doesn't come into the story.

      Captain America poses he kind of question that belongs squarely in fantasy: what if you took somebody who had inner greatness and made that greatness manifest on the outside? That's way more fantastical -- mythic even -- than anything in *Thor*.

      Just because a story doesn't have psychological realism doesn't mean it can't have psychological sophistication. The reason you come away from a story like *Captain America* energized is that you've just seen a kind of mythic story re-enacted in which for once good and evil meet on equal terms, which of course never quite happens in real life. But in fantasy we can give our superman an opponent who is externally the hero's equal or better, so that the hero's victory is a pure vindication of his heroic qualities. In real history or biography particulars matter; the outcome of conflict is never quite the perfect vindication of an *idea* that fantasy can show us.

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    14. Re:saw it this weekend by dAzED1 · · Score: 1
      The past always looks more simple, more black-and-white. We haven't figured out how to deal with our modern problems yet, that's the only reason they seem complex (hindsight, anyone?). Take John Wayne, for instance...good! Wholesome! Honest, upright, etc! Now, watch a movie like McLintock...where the moral seems to be that if your woman doesn't do what you say, just beat her. She'll like it! She'll start behaving! Hell, she might not even be your woman yet...just beat her, and she will be! No need to be private about it, either - chase her around town, beating her while she's crying, begging for help, and her clothes are being torn off her. The town will follow behind - men, women, and children alike all knowing that once she submits to the beating, all will end happily.

      I'll take my complicated world over that, thanks. Call me cynical, call me oh-so-knowing, but I'd like to think civilization has evolved. We don't abide ownership of other humans as a general rule, anymore. Hell, in western cultures we don't even abide mistreatment of other species. We're shocked and horrified when someone who is a part of our society, whom we've embraced and whom has lived with the benefit and luxury of our modern social mores, suddenly abandons those mores and kills 76 people. If that's cynicism, I'll take it.

    15. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you are refuting an inference you made into something I explicitly said

      I made no inference, and you have admitted this by neglecting to mention what inference I allegedly made.

      so by all means, carrry on, mr. spastic. try me for grave crimes in high holy indignation and find me evil and guilty.

      You are doing, without a hint of irony or self-awareness, precisely what you accuse me of doing: "extrapolate the most outrageous meaning from someone's words, and react to that instead of someone's actual words".

    16. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The culture today is irredeemably corrupt precisely because it pretends to be "cynical and oh-so-knowing" when, in truth, it's naive and craven.

      Abandoning the modern-day version of "worldliness" is probably the single best thing one could do for ideological - and psychological - health.

    17. Re:saw it this weekend by ravenshrike · · Score: 1

      It's called Shakespeare. Or did you not realize that McLintock was based on The Taming of the Shrew?

    18. Re:saw it this weekend by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i am indignant that you are indignant at me being indignant at your indignancy

      i shall think about this and come back with some high holy indignation

      or not

      because who fucking cares, asshole

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    19. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the world back then was uncomplicated: good was good and evil was evil

      And niggers were kept in their place.

      You should read the Weapons of Choice trilogy by John Birmingham. Fun alternate history action stories - but with some interesting underlying themes and food for thought. The one I am thinking of is how much social attitudes have changed: towards women, between races etc.

      I think the world back then was just as complicated, just different.

    20. Re:saw it this weekend by dAzED1 · · Score: 1
      ...does that somehow change the point? Of course I know that, we were talking about 40's America, and the whole old-fashioned-values bit. And who manifests that more than John Wayne? He's the epitome of that very genre. So since you don't think it's valid to use an example of a horiffic movie from Mr Epitome, how about a quote from him while he wasn't actually doing a scene..."Women have the right to work wherever they want, as long as they have the dinner ready when you get home"

      Is that better? Enough not-shakespear for you? Is that whooshing sound over your head from earlier flying a little lower now? We glorify the morals of the past, always have. It's nothing new to this century, last century, last millenium...

    21. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, very true.
      Often, the view of 'good vs evil' is purely subjective. Was Germany worse then what Britain or France or others did in their colonies?
      Yes, definitely!
      Yet we should not fall into the trap of only seeking the top single seat when it comes to 'being evil'. People f.i. also forget that Germany had a LOT of helpers in the occupied territories. It was not uncommon for the locals to turn on each other.
      Just because one country or group holds the no1 position does not make everyone else saints.
      Each country should be viewed individually.
      Someone who kills 1 person is just as bad as someone who kills 10 or 100 or 1000. It is often just the numbers that make things seem worse.

      And no, there are no mistakes or accidents. If you drop a bomb or fire a gun, YOU are responsible for whoever is killed with it.

      How can you claim to be fighting for freedom when people in your territories are not even free?

    22. Re:saw it this weekend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could do a movie about indignant zombies. That would be great.

  9. I like living under my rock by captainpanic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a good rock. Nice and cozy. It's a very selective rock. Blocks all kinds of advertisements, Hollywood spam and MTV rubbish.

    I love my rock.

    1. Re:I like living under my rock by PNutts · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it. I don't feel obliged to rush out every weekend and see Hollywood's latest attempt to separate me from my $$$. If it turns out to be good I'll eventually rent it, or not. The film industry is not one I'll blindly support.

    2. Re:I like living under my rock by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      I know. I didn't even hear about Avatar until after it was out (for several days at that), thats how much I was out of the news cycle. I've discovered that bugs tend to be a problem in under-the-rock living conditions, did you manage to get rid of them or just use them as part of your food cycle? :)

      Now, unfortunately, I visit /. every day, so I always get my daily dose (and then some) of Hollywood gossip.

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    3. Re:I like living under my rock by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      Just remember Patrick the Starfish lives under a rock too.

    4. Re:I like living under my rock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know. I didn't even hear about Avatar until after it was out (for several days at that), thats how much I was out of the news cycle.

      Avatar?
      *looks confused*

    5. Re:I like living under my rock by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      Just remember Patrick the Starfish lives under a rock too.

      I'd like to be
      under the sea
      in an octopus's garden
      with you...

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    6. Re:I like living under my rock by atomicbutterfly · · Score: 1

      It's not always a virtue to be ignorant of pop culture (and yes, blockbuster movies are part of that culture). You don't have to watch them of course, just as you don't have to listen to Lady Gaga or whatever. But it helps to have least have a cursory knowledge of what's out there for reasons of social interaction (i.e. gives you something to talk about).

  10. Kid Friendly? by dmorin · · Score: 1

    My son is just 5 years old, and he's heavy into his superhero phase. I think it's a crime that all of these movies are rated PG-13 while the toys are clearly aimed at capturing a younger audience who may not even get to see anything but the tv commercials. He's got no less than 3 different Captain America shields (one that I made him, one that his grandfather made him, and one we bought from the store). The one his grandfather made him - out of wood! - came with a home made Thor hammer. He doesn't care. He's Captain Thor America. So, somebody tell me - of this and all the other superhero movies this summer, would you take a 5 yr old? Just how scary/bloody is the violence? I expect that any "adult situations" will go right over his head (bordering on outright nudity and/or sex scenes, which I don't think these movies have). But a really scary monster/bad guy may give him nightmares. I know that most of the others will be gone from the theatre now, but as they start coming out on DVD, which would be the safest to let him watch? Help me out. I desperately want him to have the memory of going to these movies when they were a big deal, like I remember going to see Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark and E.T.

    1. Re:Kid Friendly? by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      The worst "adult situation" is a brief kiss, but there's quite a bit of violence. Most of it is the typical PG-13 style where people just get knocked out or shot bloodlessly (or get instantly vaporized), but the villain is a bit creepy looking.

    2. Re:Kid Friendly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For the most part, movies these days get rated PG-13 for any amount of violence. I haven't seen Captain America, but generally there's little to no blood in mainstream superhero movies, although sometimes there's some "scary situations" or minor coarse language (you won't hear "fuck" though). I think your kid will be fine seeing this one.

    3. Re:Kid Friendly? by JStyle · · Score: 1

      I'm not totally sure, but there are some pretty straight forward reviews that give you all the facts to make your decision for your family. http://www.pluggedin.com/movies/intheaters/captainamericathefirstavenger.aspx http://www.screenit.com/movies/2011/captain_america_the_first_avenger.html Hope this helped.

    4. Re:Kid Friendly? by PrimalChrome · · Score: 2

      I took my 6 year old and 10 year old to see it....and don't recall any scenes as being cringeworthy with regards to how appropriate they would be for a 6 year old. He had a great time and did get a bit bored in some of the scenes that were heavy on the dialogue. The PG-13 rating is (I believe) based solely on the rock-em-sock-em bash-em-with-a-shield violence. The Red Skull might give him nightmares....and the violence might not be appropriate if you are very sensitive to that sort of exposure.

    5. Re:Kid Friendly? by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      Captain America shoots people and throws knives and kills people. Bucky falls from a train, but you don't see him hit anything. You just know he is dead. The only blood is some the Red Skull wipes off his jacket after shooting someone. Mostly you have shots and people falling over or flying away from explosions or Cap's shield.

      And Sex? Two kisses.

      Once upon a time, I took my young son to Jurassic Park, That was much more scary in my mind than this movie.

    6. Re:Kid Friendly? by Nephilium · · Score: 1

      I'd say that Captain America is not that kid friendly (YMMV of course). This is set in WWII, so there's gunfights, people being shot, and quite a bit of death. There are energy weapons that vaporize people, and at least one person falling through a propeller that turns into a fine mist.

    7. Re:Kid Friendly? by residieu · · Score: 1

      There is some blood though. Late in the film a man gets kicked off a plane and through the propeller in a shower of blood. That's probably the goriest part of the movie.

    8. Re:Kid Friendly? by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      It's because they use the F bomb and show cleavage.... Your child should easily handle it if you were not over protective in his upgringing... IF he is reading classic comic books from the 60's to 80's then he has been exposed to far more violence and sex than this movie has.

      Although some people freak out at a half boobie shot but are ok with the kid seeing the daily violence we have on the news. Make your own judgement.

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    9. Re:Kid Friendly? by paulsnx2 · · Score: 1

      And the guy diced by the propeller after fighting on a flying plane/bomb, but you do not see actual chopping. Not materially different than the propeller scene in the Indiana Jones' films; You have the setup, then shot of blood. In Cap A, they cut to a distance shot of the plane in flight, and you see a red "cloud trail" behind the plane.

    10. Re:Kid Friendly? by dmorin · · Score: 1

      Are you referring to the new super hero movies, or to Raiders of the Lost Ark? I certainly remember that "through a propeller" sequence - not to mention the whole "melting their faces off" thing. But that was 30 years ago - plus I'm pretty sure I was more like 8 or 9 when that movie came out.

    11. Re:Kid Friendly? by X86Daddy · · Score: 1

      Now that you mention it, that same sort of propeller-meets-bad-guy death occurred in GP's mention of Raiders of the Lost Arc. Overall, if GP saw Raiders at the same age, he or she can base the decision on that being pretty comparable in terms of scariness or violence.

    12. Re:Kid Friendly? by leamanc · · Score: 2

      I desperately want him to have the memory of going to these movies when they were a big deal, like I remember going to see Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark and E.T.

      Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. I have a kid that is roughly the same age as yours (turned 6 last month). For kids today, the massive amount of TV/movies/associated tie-ins being slung their way has pretty much guaranteed that no one movie will be a "special experience" seeing it in the theater. They know good and well that if they didn't see it in the theater, it will be on DVD in three months, and forgotten about three months later...unless there is a sequel to hold their interest.

      I have told my kid plenty of times about the magic of seeing Star Wars in 1977, or how we all gasped when Darth Vader claimed to be Luke's father in 1980, or how magical ET was. It just doesn't sink in to this generation. I think most of them prefer to watch movies at home. Until more theaters convert to digital projection, I can't really blame them. The setup for watching movies at home is pretty cool, and you don't have to sit and be quiet for two hours.

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    13. Re:Kid Friendly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I haven't seen the movie, and I can't tell you how to raise your kid, but consider the movies of your childhood for a second. Star Wars has Vader and dead pilots. Raiders has melting faces and that creepy dude in glasses. ET...has men in containment suits.

      I was four when I went to see Empire Strikes Back. Vader (and Chewie) scared the shit out of me, but I loved it nonetheless. If Luke & co. could stand up to Vader (or sit next to Chewie), then I could be brave and do it to. I don't think it would have been as impactful if the bad guys weren't scary, if the good guys weren't up against the wall, or if the hero's choices weren't as tough.

    14. Re:Kid Friendly? by WraithCube · · Score: 1

      While I didn't really pay much attention to it while watching Captain America does tend to be at least a bit kid friendly though some parts are probably too much for a 5 year old. There is not a lot of blood (a lot of the guns just vaporize people) though plenty of people do get shot. Which naturally involves death including somebody close to Rogers. The only part I can remember with foul language would be a soldier mooning Cap and saying "kiss my ass". There aren't any sex scenes (Caps is a classy guy).

      Despite one thing you should keep in mind is that part of the reason the latest set of movies have been PG-13 is because they are actually staying closer to the original comics. The majority of comics were written targeting a young-adult audience as the core group of comic readers tended to be aged 14-21. Despite whatever the marketing departments have done (and animated cartoon spinoffs) these superheroes were meant for kids just over 13.

    15. Re:Kid Friendly? by veganboyjosh · · Score: 1

      I happened upon this website a few years ago while looking for something else:

      http://www.kids-in-mind.com/

      It's definitely got a Christian bias, but the way they describe movies, and how appropriate they are for kids is pretty objective, and allows a parent to know what's in a movie without giving away any/many plot details. Here's an example from the Captain America review:

      VIOLENCE/GORE 6 - This World War II Era film includes many scenes of gunfire, military vehicles shooting cannons, soldiers firing on the enemy, falling bodies, men carried on stretchers, exploding grenades and bombs with smoke and fire; there is little blood. A man flicks a cigarette lighter, blowing up a piece of equipment, and then shoots another man in the chest (we see three dots of blood over the heart and he dies).

      They rate each film according to Sex, Violence, and Language "quotients" so you can see at a glance how much violent or sexual content has. And, being that it's such a conservative group doing the reviews, they tend to include things like kissing or hand holding, which many might not find offensive, but some probably would.

    16. Re:Kid Friendly? by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      I didn't see anything in Captain America worse than in Indy Jones... There might have been swearing. These days, they tend to add a few scenes to a PG movie to "boost" it to PG13 because that makes it "not a kid's movie".

    17. Re:Kid Friendly? by vgerclover · · Score: 1

      So, something that could have been aired in Cartoon Network then?

    18. Re:Kid Friendly? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      My sons (7 and 4) are like yours. I watch the Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes with them and they love Green Lantern and other superheroes too. We went to the store yesterday with some leftover gift cards they had received and my oldest picked out an Iron Man mash and chest plate. My younger child picked out a Captain America mask and shield. He even strikes the perfect Captain America pose (though he refuses to let me take a photo of him doing it and then calls himself "Captain Ameri-CON!"). I might go to see it and then decide whether or not to show it to them once it comes out on video.

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    19. Re:Kid Friendly? by basotl · · Score: 1

      I would place it even with Raiders of the Lost Ark for violence. Examples include people getting shot or stabbed with little blood to total body vaporization weapons. The bloodiest scene is from the goon going through the propeller but you see it more as before and after.

      As far as profanity there are uses of hell and damn but I believe that is par for the course depicting who they were.

      Sexiness rating is some cleavage and two kisses. Ultra mild in that area.

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    20. Re:Kid Friendly? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Raiders of the Lost Ark type violence then?

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    21. Re:Kid Friendly? by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      I just saw it, and I wouldn't take a 5-year-old. It's pretty violent in a lot of places, and features a guy going through a propeller at high speed so that he's turned to a pink mist (well, more like red chunks). My wife gasped at that. A lot of people get shot with real guns; it's not just people getting vaporized by ray guys.

      I'm not squeamish about violence at all in movies, but it was too intense for a 5-year-old, imho. And yes, I'm a Dad.

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    22. Re:Kid Friendly? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      ET...has men in containment suits.

      But no guns, never any guns, no no no!

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    23. Re:Kid Friendly? by Nephilium · · Score: 1

      That's a good way to put it... With the addition of a fairly creepy Red Skull.

    24. Re:Kid Friendly? by cbackas · · Score: 1

      If you want kid friendly, I'd suggest you look more towards Marvel's Cartoon DVD releases. (Hope you don't mind Amazon links!)
      Next Avengers is a fairly cute one where the children of the old Avengers take up their parent's mantels:
      http://www.amazon.com/Next-Avengers-Heroes-Tomorrow/dp/B001B1878E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311615656&sr=8-1

      Thor: Tales of Asgard is a sort-of prequel to the movie Thor, where all the principal cast is much younger:
      http://www.amazon.com/Thor-Tales-Asgard-Matthew-Wolf/dp/B004PHE9FQ/ref=pd_cp_mov_4

      They have a bunch of other DVD releases too, but they're not all as kid friendly. For instance, in Hulk vs Wolverine, there's swearing, dismemberment, and blood. I would recommend renting (Netflix?) and screening first at any rate. It's hard to gauge what a five year old is read for without knowing him/her.

    25. Re:Kid Friendly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And then Snape kills Dumbledoore!" OMG, NOooOOO!!

    26. Re:Kid Friendly? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      Red Mist -- so this is some sort of Kick-Ass spinoff?
      but I don't see how falling through a propeller would make you a superhero...

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    27. Re:Kid Friendly? by Kwesadilo · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's a particularly scary movie. Most of the bad guys are just normal people in latex cat suits, and they don't meet their ends in particularly horrific ways (except for the one guy that gets thrown through the propeller). To me, Red Skull seems too weird looking to be scary. If he looked more human, he might be kind of scary, but he looks slightly more like a real person than Shrek. The costume is pretty good, which is to say that he doesn't look fake; he just doesn't look human, so it's not very freaky. Just my two cents. If anything might scare your son, the scene where they perform the experiment on Steve might. It's obviously pretty uncomfortable, but you can't see anything, and Steve takes it like a man.

      Having seen Transformers 3 when it came out, I was quite relieved that this movie lacked the sexual exploitation and inane humor that are so common in big action movies and that Michael Bay has turned into a science. If you want your kid to enjoy and get something out of any of the recent superhero movies, this is probably your best bet. Cap's an imitable, stand-up guy, but his story doesn't feel preachy or overly simplistic, and it's not diluted with raunchy filler for its own sake. Plus, it's big, loud, and exciting.

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    28. Re:Kid Friendly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You understand that cartoons are drawings, right?

    29. Re:Kid Friendly? by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I actually thought the bad-guy guns that vaporized people was more chilling than the bullets... I do think it was moderately violent, so it would depend on the 5-6 year old. The action/violence wasn't as bad as some more intense action films. It really did have a lot of realism to it. I would say just talk to your kids. I don't know why more parents don't just ask their kids if they are comfortable with something. I don't think the Red Skull as a villain was particularly scary, and he gets it in the end... It's the realism to the violence itself, and different kids can/do handle it differently. Talk to them, let them know it isn't real, but will be very realistic, and that if they aren't comfortable, you can talk about it.

      I wouldn't think much about taking a 6-7 year old who hasn't been sheltered from anything moderately violent or mildly sexual. Most will want to see this. I saw it over the weekend, and honestly think it was much more of a clear good/evil story than even Iron Man (which was a great film), and think it did at least as good with an origin story.

      As "wrong" as it is, I'd say if you are really concerned, download a screener version, and sift through it... don't watch it through, just jump around a bit. If you do that, I would say, you may want to actually see it in the theater... I'm not a fan of screener versions of films, and will generally go see something in the theater. It's just a suggestion if you are really concerned, then review it... or hell see it yourself ahead of time and judge for yourself.

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    30. Re:Kid Friendly? by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 1

      I remember seeing Jaws in 1977 at the movies (the movie theater showed it again). I was 5 at the time. Jaws was a bit bloody. Shark vs man bloody not man vs man bloody. That may be the difference.

    31. Re:Kid Friendly? by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Don't worry about Bucky, this is the comics after all. His body will be found by Russians who will turn him into "Winter Soldier"

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucky#Winter_Soldier

    32. Re:Kid Friendly? by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      So is CGI. They're just better drawings.

    33. Re:Kid Friendly? by genner · · Score: 1

      My son is just 5 years old, and he's heavy into his superhero phase. I think it's a crime that all of these movies are rated PG-13 while the toys are clearly aimed at capturing a younger audience who may not even get to see anything but the tv commercials. He's got no less than 3 different Captain America shields (one that I made him, one that his grandfather made him, and one we bought from the store). The one his grandfather made him - out of wood! - came with a home made Thor hammer. He doesn't care. He's Captain Thor America. So, somebody tell me - of this and all the other superhero movies this summer, would you take a 5 yr old? Just how scary/bloody is the violence? I expect that any "adult situations" will go right over his head (bordering on outright nudity and/or sex scenes, which I don't think these movies have). But a really scary monster/bad guy may give him nightmares. I know that most of the others will be gone from the theatre now, but as they start coming out on DVD, which would be the safest to let him watch? Help me out. I desperately want him to have the memory of going to these movies when they were a big deal, like I remember going to see Star Wars and Raiders of the Lost Ark and E.T.

      Now all he needs is a superman costume.

    34. Re:Kid Friendly? by tragedy · · Score: 1

      Sigh. Yeah. I remember back in the old days when Bucky was the one shining example of a significant comic book character who had died and actually stayed dead.

    35. Re:Kid Friendly? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Just paint Toht red!

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  11. DO NOT CARE AT ALL by cosm · · Score: 2

    How much does Hollywood pay the talking heads to pawn off every piece of drivel they come up with. I can't go anywhere for news, TV News, internet news, etc. without seeing this marketed junk all over the place.

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    1. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      It wasn't drivel or junk, it was pretty good. And the rest of us will go have fun watching it while you hunker down and tell us all to get off your lawn.

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    2. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's odd cause I've read plenty of news online and never saw any mention of this movie. It must be outside my adblock universe. I'll take my "rock" anyday.

    3. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot MOVIES. You knew what was going to happen when you clicked the link.

      Oh, wait, you're one of those "big companies make nothing but shit, support the indie labels who make REAL entertainment" people, aren't you?

      Go back to your coffehouse while the rest of us enjoy our time out in the sun.

    4. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by Dunega · · Score: 1

      You cared enough to open the article and post.... Just sayin..

    5. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might want to read the other comments on this article before assuming that everyone else loves this crap. :P

    6. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, this is the second time I hear about this movie -- the first being a long time ago, and (if I recall correctly) the movie's status was then more like "planned" than actually in the works.

      Then again, I live in Europe, so perhaps all the excitement will arrive here shortly -- in a few summers or so.

    7. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't care, why post?

    8. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      *shrug* Maybe you're right, if only referring to /. But the theater where I saw it was full, and most people there seemed to be enjoying themselves.

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    9. Re:DO NOT CARE AT ALL by StripedCow · · Score: 1

      And I'm not paying a dime until they start producing bug-free movies.

      http://www.moviemistakes.com/

      I mean how hard can it be? It's not that the stuff they are producing is interactive.

      --
      If Pandora's box is destined to be opened, *I* want to be the one to open it.
  12. The connection to now is horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The movie was good until they did a completely unbelievable tie in to the present day, the only thing that could have made it worse was if he immediately went out to fight terrorists.

    1. Re:The connection to now is horrible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Captain America being frozen in ice, then thawed out to be a hero in the modern day is exactly the sort of comic book science the movie was aiming at recreating. In fact it's exactly what happened in the comics. I fail to see how it's less believable than having drugs and radiation give a man such an unrealistic increase in muscle mass and size in a matter of a few minutes. Or the crazy aerodynamic properties of the shield.

    2. Re:The connection to now is horrible by localman57 · · Score: 2

      It surprised me that he didn't ask the most obvious question: "How did the war turn out?"

    3. Re:The connection to now is horrible by DrgnDancer · · Score: 2

      That was straight from the comics. I was wondering if they were going to "modernize" his origin and have him be "born" in a Middle Eastern conflict like Iron Man or use the story from the comics. Kinda cool that they went with the comic version. Sure it's a bit unbelievable. So is serum that instantly makes a 99 pound weakling into an Olympian gymnast/martial artist, or a shield that bounces off walls to return to its owner.

      --
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    4. Re:The connection to now is horrible by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      As they weren't speaking German he could probably figure OK.

      Unless he had an Austin Powers moment... Oops!

  13. Good flick. by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 1

    The only moment where my suspension of disbelief ran into problems was a brief technobabble tossaway about the super soldier serum and his "genetic code". So when I got home and googled around a little to learn a little more of the history of what the state of knowledge was between Mendal and Watson&Crick. Now I find myself reading Schrödinger's 1944 book "What is Life?".

    1. Re:Good flick. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      But that's the McGuffin that makes Captain unique. His "creator" is dead, all the "Chemical X" lost..

      That was tossed in to point out that there's no "reverse engineering" the process either.

    2. Re:Good flick. by Thud457 · · Score: 1

      They were using vita rays, for gosh sake. I don't think these guys in the 40's were knowledgeable in the mechanics of genetics. So yeah, they sort of lost me there.
      And Red Skull wasn't foaming at the mouth batshit crazy like I remember him. Maybe he's got some character (de-)development in store?

      --

      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

    3. Re:Good flick. by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      And Red Skull wasn't foaming at the mouth batshit crazy like I remember him. Maybe he's got some character (de-)development in store?

      You must be thinking of the Hate Monger. Skully was always just a world-dominating evil general archetype with a strong vengeance issue with Cap.

    4. Re:Good flick. by Remus+Shepherd · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure they will tie that in with the Hulk, to bring all the Avengers origins together.

      "Vita rays? We call those Gamma rays, now. And the supersoldier serum we used was similar to what you were playing with, Doctor Banner. Your father was on the project, Mister Stark, and we stopped the Nazis from using Asgardian technology."

      Voila, a single piece of dialogue turns them into one big superhero family.

      --
      Genocide Man -- Life is funny. Death is funnier. Mass murder can be hilarious.
  14. The tanks looked like Metal Slug... by madhatter256 · · Score: 1

    Now, I never read a Captain America comic, but I did see the movie. The movie had giant-ass tanks like the one you see when you play Metal Slug series. It was as if I was watching clips from the game.

    Does the original comic have this type of art direction?

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    Previewing comments are for sissies!
    1. Re:The tanks looked like Metal Slug... by Duradin · · Score: 1

      Don't know about the comics but the Nazis were pretty much on the level of comic book super villains when it came to coming up with "super weapons", including massive (not as massive as the movie one) siege tanks.

      The Valkyrie, while probably scaled up, looked a lot like some experimental flying wing designs that they had and I do recall Hitler was going for a bomber that could hit NY from Germany.

    2. Re:The tanks looked like Metal Slug... by Unkyjar · · Score: 1

      Nazi super tech was much more common in the second run of the Captain than in the original golden age series.

  15. And the punchline by Chrisq · · Score: 2

    Did you hear about the blonde who tried to bomb the Norwegian government?

    he thought he was working against the interest of Islamic domination.

  16. Captain America by Chrisq · · Score: 0

    Go Captain America, pound those underhand Frenchies and evil Muzzies.

    1. Re:Captain America by FhnuZoag · · Score: 1

      Captain America would like a word with you. http://workbench.cadenhead.org/media/cap-hates-america-2.gif

  17. Unlike the haters. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    I don't have a problem with Comic book movies. This movie was fun but I feel it missed the mark. You did have the death of Buddy which is cannon but as a whole I felt it lacked emotional content.
    1. I at no time ever felt that Capt was in danger. I mean he never really was defeated. He won every battle.
    2. I felt no real pain over the Buddy's death. I saw no soul searching or pain. Now this was WWII so in away that is expected. People died all the time in that war. Just to help put it into perspective. The Iraq according to wikipedia the US had 3,510 killed and 31,956 wounded in Iraq from 2003-2010. During the battle of Okinawa the US had 12,000 killed and 50,000 wounded in 82 days.
    The main thing was just that I never felt that the Red Skull had a chance. Captain America just kicked butt and took names. The fear of failure as lacking in this film. But it was fun. It really was a fun summer movie. I would give it a good but not great. It was not as good as Thor, Ironman or the Dark Knights IMHO.

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    1. Re:Unlike the haters. by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Adding on to that, the part where his buddy died seemed very predictable, to where I was actually thinking during the movie "oh this must be the part where a semi-important character dies". There wasn't really any development or connection to any of the characters, so it didn't seem like a big deal. And destroying the super secure facility after one guy made it in seemed like Red Skull was just helping Captain America out.

    2. Re:Unlike the haters. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      But that is also WHY people feel the movie is more true to it's roots. Prior to the 1990's heroes were mostly perfect.. It wasn't "period" to write about Captain groveling.. The General did that, not the fighter. It's the fighter' job to keep fighting. Then receive a heroes welcome... 40's and 50's comics weren't about feeling sorry...

      Come to the NEXT movie and well get the 00's version... The hero fought and won... And outlived everybody he cared about.. But that's not for THIS movie.

    3. Re:Unlike the haters. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Yes they really under developed Buddy. It was predictable because it was part of the comic book. I agree the fact that this small team could just walk in and destroy major base after major base in the middle of occupied Germany was just a bit much. Hydra sure gave up easy. I mean they had these super weapons and outnumbered the commando force every time.
      Like I said it was just all too easy. Still a fun movie for a Saturday but not great. Nothing wrong with that since just being fun isn't a terrible thing.
      Historically I didn't like it because it helped push the myth of Germany being far ahead of the allies which isn't factual. The allies where much farther ahead in radar and nuclear weapons. Even in jet aircraft the west was not far behind. The British jet engines where far more reliable than the German engines and the US P-80 which was just getting into service at the end of war in Europe could out climb, and a higher ceiling, longer ranger,and was faster in level fight than the ME262. The US didn't rush the development of it because their was no need. The US B-29 was in many ways more advanced then even the German jet bombers produced during the war and the B-36 and Northrop flying wing which where on slow development at the end of the war "again not going to be needed" where as advanced as any of the German fantasy planes.
      I did like that Focke-Wulf Fw Triebflügel was in movie. What a disaster that would have been if they had built it.

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    4. Re:Unlike the haters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bucky, not Buddy.

    5. Re:Unlike the haters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have a problem with Comic book movies. This movie was fun but I feel it missed the mark. You did have the death of Buddy which is cannon but as a whole I felt it lacked emotional content.
      1. I at no time ever felt that Capt was in danger. I mean he never really was defeated. He won every battle."

      Captain America clearly picks his battles to make sure success is assured. Perhaps Stark does a cost/benifit/success-ratio analysis prior to picking a target. The battle montage made it clear that this was high budget (no expense spared for explosives/body armor/transport/weapons/munitions) gurella style combat on targets of high tactical value using a small powerful application of force to sudue targets that were meant to fend off larger seige forces. There is no point in fighting those sorts of battles if you cant win. This is Captain Freaking America not Saving Private Ryan.

      2. I felt no real pain over the Buddy's death. I saw no soul searching or pain. Now this was WWII so in away that is expected. People died all the time in that war. Just to help put it into perspective. The Iraq according to wikipedia the US had 3,510 killed and 31,956 wounded in Iraq from 2003-2010. During the battle of Okinawa the US had 12,000 killed and 50,000 wounded in 82 days.

      Bucky. His name was Sgt. Bucky Barnes. I have no idea if that was his name in the comic books or if he was created merely for the movie but if your going to complain about his death at least get his name right.

      The main thing was just that I never felt that the Red Skull had a chance. Captain America just kicked butt and took names. The fear of failure as lacking in this film. But it was fun. It really was a fun summer movie. I would give it a good but not great. It was not as good as Thor, Ironman or the Dark Knights IMHO.

      While it is true that the Red Skull got his backside handed to himself by Steve Rogers. It wasnt because Steve was somehow unbeatable. Clearly the Redskull was beaten because he had all of the common sense of a Pet Rock. Prisons dont give every bloody guard a deathray because the second a guard gets knocked out in a brawl suddenly the prisoners have deathrays to use against the other guards. This is massive tactical error. He designed weapons that completely lacked a defense save for the captains vibranium shield. None of the enemy soldiers were bullet proof and they definetely were vulnrable to their own deathrays in enemy hands.

      The Red Skull could have come to his senses and gained a little ground if he decided to use a little common sense with his deathray distribution or turned his research towards getting body armor that was as functional as is was scary. But that was the point - He was completely mad with power.

    6. Re:Unlike the haters. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Sorry my bad and an example of just how under whelming he was in the movie.

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      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
  18. I, apparently, live under a rock by gsslay · · Score: 1

    I guess I must have been living under a rock then. Along with billions of others.

    I call my rock "The Earth". Living "under" it is reliant really on which way you regards as "up".

    1. Re:I, apparently, live under a rock by Lord+Lode · · Score: 1

      I guess living in Europe also counts as living under a rock then. I had never heard of this movie.

  19. digitally altered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Chris Evans had a digitally altered body (it was still his own, just modified) as he felt he should play the entire role and not have a body double and just superimpose his face on it for the first portion. Its under the IMDB trivia for the movie. They said it was very difficult to do as they shrunk his body they had to fill in all the backgrounds that his body used to cover.

  20. Re:Two Questions by Lumpy · · Score: 0

    "How the fuck did Tron become the example of the possibilities of 3D?"

    it was latched onto by low IQ marketing droids that are desperate for you to replace that 42" TV you bought 2 years ago with a new one that does nothing more other than WOOOOOooooooo Threeeeeee Deeeeeeeeeee!!!!!! Woooooooooooo!

    I have seen ONE decent home 3D setup. it was a pair of projectors using polarizer filters and you used the IMAX 3d Glasses.

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
  21. Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer from by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

    This movie, like a lot of the others in the Avengers series suffer from the exact same thing. They can't stand on their own. Sure, the effects were good. The writing wasn't half bad. The acting was pretty decent. But the entire story was servicing the inevitable sequel. As a result, the film itself wasn't very interesting. Everything seemed to be there specifically to set up for the next movie. Sure, there was the "fight/chase scene" that concluded the movie with a little resolution but it wasn't a very satisfying ending. So it doesn't stand on its own but it didn't generate in me an overwhelming anticipation of the sequel either. Every part of it said "there's going to be more in the next movie" without really building the anticipation. It really felt like they were just rushing through everything to make sure they had the bases covered for the movie next year. The underlying story for this movie really didn't really engage me.

    That being said, it is a decent movie. It's worth seeing on the big screen in the theater. The story may have been flimsy and cliche but the characters themselves were developed pretty well. Like I said above, the writing and acting were acceptable. The effects were pretty good too. You have to suspend your disbelief on a lot of things but this is a movie based on a comic book so that's a given. And if you do that, the movie is enjoyable.

  22. Re:Scientists See 'Hint' of Higgs Boson God Partic by JavaBear · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Mod parent up please, this is far more interesting...

  23. Dieselpunk by tomewilson · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The movie dripped with a cool 40s art style, with enough odd looking modernizations to make it all work. It wasn't steam punk. It wasn't art deco. It wasn't historically accurate. But it was awesome. Every aspect of the world was wonderfully realized to give us a parallel WWII that I totally bought into."

    The style name your looking for is "dieselpunk."

    It's like steampunk, but rooted in the years between WWI and the bombing of Hiroshima.

    1. Re:Dieselpunk by tomewilson · · Score: 1

      TYPO

      "your" = "you're"

    2. Re:Dieselpunk by metrometro · · Score: 1

      The style name you're looking for is "dieselpunk."

      Oh good. I'll notify Etsy.

    3. Re:Dieselpunk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you notice that the "Tin man" himself was in the Captain America Movie? He's the British Commando in the bowler hat who, after being rescued, asks Steve Rogers to open a tab in the pub.

  24. Continental Europe is under a rock? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So continental Europe is under a rock?

    Well then it's a rock with 100Mbps FTTH.

  25. America, fuck yeah! by roman_mir · · Score: 1

    I wonder, what is up with so many fairy tales being told about super heroes on TV these days?

    It's probably because in most of our lives there aren't real heroes around and there isn't a happy ending.

    1. Re:America, fuck yeah! by Slider451 · · Score: 1

      The nameless soldiers who got vaporized fighting alongside Cap in the movie are no less heroes than him. They just don't get their stories told.

      Similarly, there are real heroes in the world today. Their actions are just not exciting enough for their stories to generate viewer interest sufficient for the media to report on them. Nor would they ask for glory. But it's sad that the good they do is unnoticed by the masses.

      Instead we're fed politics, celebrity, and scandal.

      --
      Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
    2. Re:America, fuck yeah! by localman57 · · Score: 1

      But it's sad that the good they do is unnoticed by the masses.

      This makes it that much more important that you notice it on an individual-by-individual basis. Tell someone they did a good job. Thank someone. Smile and nod. It makes a difference. There's a story (parable?) that I like a lot:

      Two men are walking along a shoreline after the tide goes out. Hundreds of starfish and other creatures have been beached, out of the water. The first man picks up one starfish and throws it back into the water. The second man asks him "Look at all of these fish. They're all going to die. What difference does throwing one back make?". The first man says, "It made a huge difference to that one."

    3. Re:America, fuck yeah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder, what is up with so many fairy tales being told about super heroes on TV these days?

      It's probably because in most of our lives there aren't real heroes around and there isn't a happy ending.

      The same thing that was up with super heroes in comic books and in movies and on TV right from the very beginning. They make people feel good.

      Hope that revelation doesn't overload your emo circuit. Cynicism is boring, dude.

    4. Re:America, fuck yeah! by genner · · Score: 1

      The nameless soldiers who got vaporized fighting alongside Cap in the movie are no less heroes than him. They just don't get their stories told.

      Similarly, there are real heroes in the world today. Their actions are just not exciting enough for their stories to generate viewer interest sufficient for the media to report on them. Nor would they ask for glory. But it's sad that the good they do is unnoticed by the masses.

      Instead we're fed politics, celebrity, and scandal.

      The Simpsons covered this.

      Milhouse: It's a sham, Bart! You get up on that movie screen pretending to be a hero, but you're not. The real heroes are out _there_, toiling day and night on more important things! Bart: [dreamy] Television. Milhouse: No! Curing heart disease and wiping out world hunger. Bart: But Milhouse, they haven't cured anything! Heart disease and world hunger are still rampant. Those do-gooders are all a bunch a pitiful losers...every last one of them. Want results? You have to go to the Schwarzeneggers, the Stallones, and to a lesser extent, the Van Dammes.

  26. Defender would have been better by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    At least theres a vague basis of a story there and the sound effects would rock. :o)

    1. Re:Defender would have been better by Talderas · · Score: 2

      I think Michael Bay is directing it....

      So at the very least we know shit is going to explode.

      --
      "Lack of speed can be overcome. In the worst case by patience." --Znork
    2. Re:Defender would have been better by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 1

      Sounds like an excellent classification of his movies : "Exploding shit"

  27. It's fine by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

    I took my six year old and didn't think twice about it. In fact, I hadn't even thought about the rating until you mentioned it. I've always thought the MPAA rating system was aimed at parents who would rather try to carpet the world than raise their kids to wear slippers, if you know what I mean.

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  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  29. Movies based on literature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There really aren't many made-from-scratch movies. The most recently made movie that I've seen that wasn't based on pre-existing literature is Inception, by Christopher Nolan.

    AFAIK he wrote the original story, and had been thinking about making that movie since he was a child.

    So, in summary, find something worthy to be pretentious and nit-picky about. Because the vast majority of films are based on literature. Short stories, comics, novels, or biographies, etc.

    1. Re:Movies based on literature by sh00z · · Score: 1

      The most recently made movie that I've seen that wasn't based on pre-existing literature is Inception, by Christopher Nolan.

      AFAIK he wrote the original story, and had been thinking about making that movie since he was a child.

      Hate to bust your bubble, but even if it's not an adaptation, the plot of Inception is too suspiciously close to that of a Donald Duck comic to believe that it's entirely original to Mr. Nolan.

  30. My comments by fiendy · · Score: 1

    I actually saw it last night. While not normally a fan of comic book movies, it was fun. Wasn't looking for anything serious. My only real complaint (taking into account I wasn't looking for an Oscar-winner or anything) was that for a 2 hour movie, they spent too much time building up the plot - although this does make sense if you consider it as a prequel to the Avengers movie(s).

    I felt like the some of the epic battle scenes were more montages or practically fast-forwarded through and although I'm sure they are expensive to produce, are what I would have expected to see more of from a movie like this.

  31. Re:CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, he's got a lot more money than you. And a more attractive spouse.

    So suck it loser.

  32. Re:Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer fro by Slider451 · · Score: 1

    I disagree. The only setup for the sequel was him waking up in modern times and meeting Agent Fury. That's right out of Cap canon. The rest of the story is self-contained. The fact that he lost everything and everyone he knew over his 70-year hibernation is part of the tragedy of his character. If anything is missing it's giving him a few minutes at the end to reflect on his losses and the challenge of preserving his values amid contemporary chaos.

    The preservation of his boy scout ideals in an uncertain world makes him a very compelling character, IMO. And the pitting of his humble leadership style against the massive egos of Tony Stark and Thor will be quite fun to watch.

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    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
  33. What About Mature Adults? by TheTyrannyOfForcedRe · · Score: 0

    If you have been living under a rock, you might not be aware that the next in the ongoing series of Avengers prequel movies came out this weekend

    Living under a rock? How about this instead:

    If you're a mature adult who ignores pop culture for the mindless, endlessly recycled drivel that it is, you might not be aware that the next in the ongoing series of Avengers prequel movies came out this weekend

    --
    "Liechtenstein is the world's largest producer of sausage casings, potassium storage units, and false teeth."
    1. Re:What About Mature Adults? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to agree with this.

    2. Re:What About Mature Adults? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't kid yourself. You're not a mature adult, you're a mature prude, a prick.

    3. Re:What About Mature Adults? by halivar · · Score: 1

      Don't bother with books, then. I hear everything after Gilgamesh is just another trite rehash of "the hero of a thousand faces."

    4. Re:What About Mature Adults? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're a mature adult who ignores pop culture for the mindless, endlessly recycled drivel that it is

      Looking down your nose at "pop culture" is something that an insecure teenybopper does. A mature adult evaluates a work on its own merits, and considers its "pop culture" status (or lack thereof) as irrelevant. You are clearly not willing or able to do that.

    5. Re:What About Mature Adults? by hrimhari · · Score: 1

      Hey! I have a better one!

      If you have been living under a rock AND you cannot laugh at an innocent pop culture joke like this , you might not be aware that the next in the ongoing series of Avengers prequel movies came out this weekend and you should criticize this comment right away .

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  34. Huh? Captain of the good ship "America"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never heard of that ship. Dunno how they'd make a movie out of it. Is it something like "Pirates of the Caribbean" or "Das Boot"?

  35. Re:Two Questions by kevinmenzel · · Score: 1

    There is a 3D release. I'm not sure if this is just a fault of the technology in use at the theatre I was at, or the fault of the movie, but gigantic scenes had very little depth. Everything past certain distance was just a very flat wall. It felt very much like a 3D conversion where they only spent time on the foreground, but since I know nothing about how the movie was made, that's just my theory.

    However, in terms of 3D there were very few scenes that shouted "We're doing this for the 3D", so despite generally hating 3D, I didn't actually find it that bad in this movie. Lackluster, but not bad. There were other things that bugged me more. Two full scenes were clearly either shot at a different frame rate, or a different F-stop or SOMETHING because there were definitely times that the movie shifted from film look to video look. That probably only bugs a certain set of people who are sensitive to such issues, but if you are, well... the scenes are pretty protracted, and one of them is an action scene. Most of the "wrong" looking stuff looks the kind of thing that would have been filmed by the second unit director.

    Besides that, the glaringly inaccurate map of North America that included a territory in Canada that most definitely didn't exist in the 40s kind of bugged me, because besides that it did look very period. And there were a few plot holes... being unfamiliar with the original comic, I'm not sure how many of those were a result of being faithful to source material...

    But yeah, it's not a "great movie". It's an average one, that you shouldn't bother seeing in 3D at the increased ticket price unless you're a huge fan of the genre in which case... it still doesn't seem overly stunning in 3D, and a 2D version would probably still be just as good.

  36. A cast of thousands - of animators by Animats · · Score: 1

    It's amazing what you can do with a thousand artists and animators. Look at the credits on the thing. There are about 850 people associated with the CGI work.

    The plot is mediocre, but with all that production value, you don't notice until afterward. The battle scenes are ridiculous. An infantry frontal assault into machine guns will not work. ("This proposition was thoroughly tested in WWI.") Small groups have taken fortresses (see Eben Emael) but not just by charging in there.

    The painters can fix anything.

  37. Geek Fantasy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I read a lot of Captain America when I was younger, and there was very little romantising or cheese in the initial story (regardless of his costume/shield etc.). It evidently had political connotations, even a youngster can detect this. I dread that the emphasis on his poor physical condition is going to be at full tilt (at least what I can see from the trailer). Almost all these films are being turned into geek power fantasies, when really they could be improved by creating a more rounded script and characterisation. But I guess the audience wants that sort emphasis. *shrugs*

    Mark at http://www.idgconnect.com/blog

  38. Re:Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer fro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You have to suspend your disbelief on a lot of things"

    Absolutely unacceptable. I want every bit of my fiction to contain absolutely realistic depictions of everything, requiring no suspension of disbelief whatsoever. I feel that they should have cut away from the story for 40 minutes or so to describe the scientific nuances of the super soldier serum, and when they failed to do so my eyes immediately glazed over and I lost interest in the film.

    - Science Fiction Fan

  39. Return on investment by tepples · · Score: 1

    There's a fairly safe return on investment from Warner's stable of DC heroes and Disney's stable of Marvel heroes.

  40. Borrowing um... liberally from Star Wars by mattecc · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one who noticed that for about 30 minutes towards the end of the movie, they started inserting their favorite scenes / motifs from Star Wars with only the thinnest of veneers?

    First the s/speeder/motorcycle/g chase scene making me wonder when they left Germany for Endor.
    Then the "stormtroopers" and laser gun fight straight out of the first 10 minutes of A New Hope complete with hydraulic closing doors.
    Then the escape the deathstar in the millenium falcon sequence.
    And finally, the showdown on the "view deck" out of RotJ that had me wondering if they were gonna finish it off with light sabers.

    1. Re:Borrowing um... liberally from Star Wars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you ever think that maybe Star Wars was just using standard action scenes? George Lucas admits to borrowing liberally from everything that came before him, including a lot of pulpy action serials that are the stylistic basis for this movie. There's more to the world than Star Wars.

  41. Dieselpunk by whitroth · · Score: 1

    A few years ago, there was a miniseries called Tin Man on the skiffy channel. We discussed it on a techie mailing list I'm on, and decided that the right description was dieselpunk, halfway between steampunk and cyberpunk....

                  mark

  42. Killroy was HERE by Tei · · Score: 1

    We need more 40's based memes here on the internet.

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    -Woof woof woof!

  43. Re:Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer fro by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

    Several things were left for sequels.

    • The elder Stark finding the cube on the bottom of the sea means Tony will have it around for his work in upcoming movies.
    • The fact that the main bad guy what's-his-name, got shot into the cosmos just like Thor and Loki means he'll be back for sure. The tie-in with Norse mythology and getting the cube in Norway was no coincidence.
    • They surely didn't get all of the red skull agents and scientists. They surely missed some of the technology as well. The possibility of them coming back is there, probably with their former leader.
    • The red skull scientist they did capture will still probably play a role, if only in the early history of SHIELD.
    • The quick 5 second scene where they drew CA's blood for genetic analysis will surely mean they're recreate whatever they injected him with. Though why the doctor didn't keep any notes on how he made it is entirely a plot device that you have to suspend disbelief on. But we'll certainly see it again.

    No, this movie was all about setup and leaving stuff behind for the next movies.

  44. And the rest of the world did not care. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am sure there is an audience for this, but I am not sure how many people outside the US cares about captain america. I for once, just don't, even thought I do have an image saved where he says something nice about telling the rest of the world to move. Although now that I think about it maybe it is time for the rest of the world to tell america "No, you move."

  45. Look at where you are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    News for nerds

  46. Re:Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer fro by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

    In think they should have left all the future stuff till the "after credits". We should have seen his men come home, the lady mourn his loss, but move on... And left the main movie right there. Utterly depressing, but THAT is how the story goes for the REAL heroes of the world.

    I thought they would have saved finding Captain America until the Avengers movie anyway. he's the missing piece on the team between MEN, freaks, Gods, and people that think their gods.

  47. Dieselpunk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets start with the Art Direction: it was absolutely awesome. The movie dripped with a cool 40s art style, with enough odd looking modernizations to make it all work. It wasn't steam punk. It wasn't art deco. It wasn't historically accurate. But it was awesome. Every aspect of the world was wonderfully realized to give us a parallel WWII that I totally bought into.

    See Dieselpunk

  48. Not a body double... by nathan+s · · Score: 1

    If you google around for "Skinny Steve", it turns out that they just edited his body to look smaller - he did his own movement for the "skinny" scenes because the directors couldn't find a double who moved similarly enough. Sample source: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43825044/ns/today-entertainment/t/brawny-captain-america-saved-skinny-steve/

  49. Re:Two Questions by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    I thought you were being a little unfair with the comment about being able to discern differences between shoots (although with anything but a low budget indie, this shouldn't happen) but then, when you talked about subtleties in the map that likely no one (including the film's continuity editor) noticed I realized.

    You're just crazy. And more than a little OCD. Welcome to Slashdot....

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  50. It was Chris's body- cgi. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    I've read this was his body- reduced by CGI. There were standin's for some scenes but when you see his face, it's generally him.

    They had to green screen some of it so they could fill in the background.

    Apparently this is sort of like Benjamin Button (and to some extent Gollum).

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    I absolutely loved this movie- laughed, even cried at the end knowing he wouldn't be back to meet her.

    Cap has always been the moral "Superman" of the Marvel universe. Always lawful good- never amoral- never compromising. Partially the writers gave him a break and never put him in "no win" situations- but they put him in close to no win situations and he was good.

    The flag pole scene was also classic cap. He has the cleverness required of a weaker man combined with the power.

    The movie was over CGI'd and slow during the montage of beating the 6 bases but I guess they had to show it somehow. I also felt some motorcycle jumps and so on were cut instead of showing the entire thing.

    **** movie. 95% would be my personal rottent tomatoes rating.

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  51. Re:CmdrTaco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BWAHAHAHA wrong on both counts, chump

  52. Re:Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer fro by Slider451 · · Score: 1

    No argument on your points. The Norse elements and Howard Stark definitely sow the seeds for the Avengers. That doesn't mean they aren't integrated well into the story to make it interesting enough as a stand-alone. Not knowing who Howard is takes nothing away from this film.

    In fact, I was impressed by how different in feel this "Avenger prequel" was from Thor and Iron Man. The wonderfully realized alternate-reality WW II sets really setup the golden era U.S. world that defines Cap and his values.

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  53. Anyone notice the original human torch? by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    Did anyone notice the short cameo of the original (1940s) human torch at the science fair? Nice touch, and nice in-joke since Chris played the second version of the Torch in the FF movies.

    This film was by geeks, for geeks. My daughter (almost 17) got every reference, including the torch and the flying car (which we strongly suspect is a premonition of the helicarrier in Avengers). It helps that she's been studying WWII recently and knew about the draft and newsreels and such. I started to whisper explanations to wife (who is an established non-geek) starting with the background to the trailer for "John Carter of Mars" but found that daughter was already filling her in.

    At one point daughter said "It's your fault I'm a geek. I'll never get a date. I hate you." I said "Are you kidding? Geeks will love you." She responds "And that's better?? I hate you!"

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    1. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Agreed! Geeks and nerds rule! BTW, is she single? She has plenty of single male geeks and nerds on /. ;)

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    2. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And the nice people in front of you thought, "Fuck. I hate when assholes talk during films."

      Stay home, please.

    3. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At one point daughter said "It's your fault I'm a geek. I'll never get a date. I hate you." I said "Are you kidding? Geeks will love you." She responds "And that's better?? I hate you!"

      Genius! You don't have to worry about who she'll bring home.

      Wait... If you're a geek, how did you court her mother?

    4. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tell her not to worry. Non Geeks will find her a status symbol, plus, they can ask her to fix their computers.

      Besides, it's now common knowledge that Geeks will soon rule the world.

      Also, be sure that she knows that Guys don't care about styles and shoes and stuff. As long as she listens to them, and acts like they know a lot, most guys will never even notice her supposed Geekiness.

    5. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Yeesh -- what part of "almost 17" did you not understand?

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    6. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Ok fine, but we were in the geek section of the theater, and we were being quiet. Yeesh.

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    7. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Parenthetically, in the middle of CA, I had to take a bathroom break, and it so happened that Harry Potter had just gotten out. So ok, we may be geeks, but at least we didn't go IN COSTUME. Man, that's too geeky even for me.

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    8. Re:Anyone notice the original human torch? by antdude · · Score: 1

      For minors. 18+ when she's legal for the adults. :P

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  54. Re:Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer fro by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

    All I'm suggesting is that there are so many unresolved threads stemming from this movie. I personally find that threads like that distract from the movie.

    I will say that this prequel is better than many others simply because they're not working with (or against) an established movie. While, in my (not so) humble opinion, they spent too much time laying the ground work for the following movie, they did have a freedom to make it its own movie rather than being forced to plug neatly into something that was already done. It's not as bad as taking a hugely popular movie and writing a prequel 20 years later, filled with horrible dialog and bad acting ;)

  55. sigh by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    Gotta re-do the Spiderman movie so Marvel can pry it out of Sony's hands.

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  56. Re:Suffers from same thing all prequels suffer fro by Slider451 · · Score: 1

    Agree. There is no closure to his WW II life. Just a quick little montage of headlines commemorating him as a lost war hero who will be remembered, but not the tragedy. No time for a sense of loss for him or those close to him. That's a key defining aspect of his character in the Avengers. Shame it wasn't fleshed out more. "I had a date" is an understatement.

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  57. I also saw it this weekend... by Thumper_SVX · · Score: 1

    ... and while I think I was reasonably entertained for two hours, I left the theater feeling pretty hollow. I just didn't feel like this was a terribly satisfying movie.

    The style, the direction, even the acting were all phenomenal. Much better than you usually expect from Hollywood pulp... but from the guy who directed "The Rocketeer" which is one of THE best period hero movies I've ever seen, you would truly expect nothing less. And that was part of my problem; all the ingredients were there... hell, even the writing was pretty damned good through most of it. For some reason though, it never really gelled together in the same way that the aforementioned Rocketeer did. There was no sense of wonder, no sense that incredible things were happening. Captain America didn't seem to be so much shaping events as just present when they took place. The ancillary characters like "Dum Dum" Dugan just seemed thrown in to appease the geek crowd who wanted to see it... he really had no role beyond existing through the entire movie.

    It really played as a by-the-numbers superhero origin movie, but without any real soul. The original Chris Reeves Superman managed to create an origin story with heart and soul... why the hell have few done that since? I digress though. I agree with Taco that I also viewed Captain America as a second-tier hero... one whom I was unfamiliar with his backstory, and really only became familiar with him through references in other comics I read as a kid. Part of this was maybe growing up in Europe... just the titular character name would've probably made me roll my eyes even as a kid... I honestly don't remember. However, despite much reading of Fantastic Four, Batman, Spiderman et all, I almost never remember even SEEING a Captain America comic. Still, I had no desire to go see it at all until I heard positive rumblings, and then found out Joe Johnston was at the helm. Then I was suddenly interested... so since I had a few hours to kill I figured I'd go see it.

    I should also say that I found the ending rather disappointing as well. It was like they built up and built up and then the ending was more of a whimper than a bang. And there is a problem with the ending in that it's impossible to understand what just happened unless you are familiar with the backstory. I only really "got" the ending after the fact when I read a few Wikipedia articles before heading to bed. Yeah... I suspected that's what happened, but I have a long history of reading comic books and understanding most of their conceits. But to the average viewer who maybe is only a casual comic book fan? I don't think they'd get it... or they'd be thinking... well... the wrong things to be honest. It just didn't make sense within or without the narrative as displayed on screen... even in subtext. That's just sloppy fanboyish writing. Oh, and the mid-section "Hydra Hunt" was skimmed over in a very sloppy fashion... I understand they wanted to finish this one movie so they could move over to Avengers, but I really would've liked to have seen a solo Captain America movie with a sequel to cover all of the hunting down of Hydra... THEN finish it up with a grand finale. Hell, there could've been enough there to fill a couple of movies, but here it feels constrained by the rush to get to next summer.

    Now, I may sound negative but I still came away entertained. It was a good movie, but in my opinion not great. There were some great little references to movies that have almost nothing to do with the Avengers universe... I even spotted what I think was an oblique reference to Raiders of the Lost Ark (although the timing is off since Raiders was set some 5 or 6 years earlier). Those kinds of things made me smile a little, and I really did enjoy Hugo Weaving in his role as Schmidt. After a decade I think I'm finally able to watch him without ending every sentence of his with "Mr. Anderson". Chris Evans was actually great, but I knew he could act because I thought he was great in Sunshine as well. The rest of the case were pretty bland th

    1. Re:I also saw it this weekend... by Slider451 · · Score: 1

      Good review. I agree that they tried to do too much. They crammed at least two movies-worth of character and story development into one, which really made some parts feel rushed. Chris Evans really nailed the humble, clever, indomitable spirit of Steve Rogers and the 40s period-piece feel was amazing. I just wish they would have fleshed out the characters a bit more and added some more closure in the 40s before the jarring jump to his contemporary resurrection.

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    2. Re:I also saw it this weekend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't art on screen... it's pulp.

      That's a little like saying, "This isn't a tool in my hand...it's a screwdriver".

    3. Re:I also saw it this weekend... by naoursla · · Score: 1

      The Hydra hunt could be a television series.

  58. Not a throwback, an anachronism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am pretty sure that contemporaries did not see it that way. A lot of people sympathized with the Nazis and the Communists. One of the things that we forget about the "Red Scare" of the 50s is that there actually _were_ a lot of reds in the US. What is so horrific about the scare is not that society went after ghosts that were not there, but that they a were impinging on basic rights of every American to go after people who were just idealists.

    Think about this: in the course of a few short years, Stalin went from being bad, to good, to evil. Germany went from being a meek defeated nation, to a powerful enemy, to a meek protege that needed hundreds of thousands of American troops to defend. Ditto for Japan.

    People at that time did not know what the hell to think. Captain America is the expression of this confusing world. It gave clarity to a confusing world. If the country had been so simple, it would not have needed Captain America to explain it to their kids.

  59. Re:And this guy got a press pass to see the shuttl by Toonol · · Score: 1

    At least he's not anonymous.

  60. Re:Two Questions by fedos · · Score: 1

    Film makers need to find the happy medium between "3D gags" and "3D conversion". The first of the modern 3D movies that saw was Journey to the Center of the Earth; it was full of sight gags (such as Brandon Frasier spitting on the audience). Then I saw Priest, which seemed to lose the 3D effect halfway through the movie (I think this was something akin to how you stop noticing the framing around a widescreen movie on a television). Captain America was better, but a little too close to Priest: there were parts that didn't have any depth but then the next scene would seem to pop out.

  61. Re:And this guy got a press pass to see the shuttl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is that really the best you can do? I see that you're UID means that you're either relatively new here or that you're going to cry that you use to have an account but lost it or something... Slashdot is not what it was years ago. There was a time that an article like this would have been shouted down for being worthless. but keep kissing up to Taco. I'm sure he appreciates it.

  62. Get a Clue by mosb1000 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if you're serious or not, but Hollywood is constantly coming out with new ideas. There are a lot more movies coming out than just the ones you see advertised. And a lot of indepentend films have big name actors and directors too. Some examples are movies l Iike the Fountian or The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Obviously, they don't spend a lot of money promoting experimental films, because that's not where the money is, but if you aren't lazy you can go out and find the new stuff. If you're just sitting there with you mouth open, you shouldn't be surprised that they spoon feed you gabage, go out and do a little work for a change.

  63. Best and worst by Avatar8 · · Score: 1
    Watched Captain America and was impressed with the genuine characters, story and unobtrusive special effects - they added without overpowering the scenes. The only issue I had was right at the beginning - Chris Evans' voice not matching the body; I became accustomed to it after a few minutes. Chris made Steve's character completely believable that he was pure, honorable and just wanted to do the right thing. Those are qualities lost today even in our fantasy heroes.

    I made the mistake of trying to continue my movie high by going to see Transformers 3. Ugh! I dozed off several times, but didn't feel like I really missed anything. Besides the eye candy of Carly, the voice acting of Nimoy was the only decent part of the movie. Buzz Aldrin himself was just freaking cool, but not nearly enough to save this film. Such a shame for the franchise.

  64. Others and I saw it almost a couple days early ... by antdude · · Score: 1

    http://aqfl.net/node/9238 for my brief review and a poll. I enjoyed it overall. :)

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  65. what in the name of FUCK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    commandant burrito! stick to posting about random pictures of visiting things people got you into because you run yesterdays news of nerds next week!

  66. If only by StripedCow · · Score: 1

    If only the amount of fun and laughter to be expected from a movie was propertional to the amount of money they put into it...

    Sadly it's not (perhaps even the opposite), and so let's do away with the whole concept of mega-corporation made movies.

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  67. Re:Scientists See 'Hint' of Higgs Boson God Partic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knowing the chemical composition of fly dung would be more interesting than another comic book film review. CmdrDildo sucks an ass.

  68. I wait for Redbox on comic book movies by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Too many with the same plot and F/X.

  69. Excellent (Best Marvel film of 2011)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GREAT SUPERHERO FLICK! See it folks... by ALL means, do! I loved it, personally...

    I especially loved "Dr. Erskine" & his take on "Human Potential" (which I agree with 110% mind you) & telling Rogers to "stay who you are: Not just a soldier, but a GOOD MAN!" & how he showed the Col. (Tommy Lee Jones, perfect "crusty hard-core colonel field grade senior officer type) that he got what he was looking for in Steve Rogers & "qualities beyond the physical"...

    "what makes captain america so good is that it is straightforward, honest, and unironic it's a throwback to the pulp of the 1940s, and when i say that, i'm not talking about speech and clothing, i'm talking about worldview and attitude and theme the world today is cynical and oh-so-knowing. the world back then was uncomplicated: good was good and evil was evil now, pleae: don't get me wrong: abandoning modern day wordliness is not be a good idea for your ideological health but in order to make an entertaining MOVIE, it works quite effectively" -

    Agreed... it took us back to a "better, simpler" time... when good was good, evil was evil (ala Don Henley's tune "the Garden of Allah").

    The Super-Soldier formula amplified whatever you had in your nature predominantly, & "The GOOD Doctor" knew it (the hard way, after his screwup with RedSkull, first...).

    I also loved the "budding romance" between Capt. America/Steve Rogers & Agent Peggy Carter (man, I don't know about YOU guys, but Hayley Atwell is HOT, "to-the-max", especially in the 40'ish style getup & makeup she had - she "fit the bill" perfectly in fact! Especially when she "showed her tell" when the blond grabs Rogers to kiss him in "thanks from all the women in the USA", lol!).

    * I especially loved the part in the car before he was about to be taken to be transformed & he said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4DlMggBPvc&feature=relmfu

    "You start running, they'll never let you stop..."

    Truer words were NEVER SPOKEN!

    That's the truth... you're better off, FAR better off, standing your ground, especially with bullies... give them a hurting too, even IF you take a worse one? 99/100 times they won't do it again, ever... or, @ least think twice!

    I also liked how Steve Rogers (pre-captain) told Peggy Carter he was "waiting for that right girl"... I can dig THAT, completely! That's the RIGHT THING to do, by all means...

    Anyhow/anyways:

    I took my niece to it (as I do all Marvel flicks) because they help influence kids to be "good people", instead of "shoot the police" scumbag ghetto products... too much of that's in the "moozik" of today, if you ask me (& I grew up in a LOT of that, & I can tell anyone, especially suburbanites, it is the road to ruination in the end, not something to be glamorized).

    Anyhow - she loved it (even better than "X-Men 1st Class", which I also felt was really good also)... which made me quite happy (especially since her Dad's a Captain in the U.S. Military overseas now (if not a Major by now - I know he was "in process" for that with paperwork & tests just before he began his now 3rd or 4th deployment (which I was told they could not do to he in combat, but they did again putting my little brother's life on the line yet again...)).

    Fact is, I have called my brother "Captain America" too, & she knew that much already - I think it was incentive for her to see it in fact!

    Some "side stuff" on Captain America from my past (avid Marvel fiend here from the age of 5 when my Dad taught me to read largely before school did on using comic books):

    Capt. America was one of my favs. as a boy, & my first intro. to he was in "Marvel Double Feature" issue # 4 titled "He Who Holds the Cosmic Cube"!

    (RedSkull was the villian ->

  70. There was no body double for Skinny Rogers by mcdonamw · · Score: 1

    There was no body double for the role of Skinny Steve. That was all Chris Evans. They tried to use a body double (ala Benjamin Button) but no one could imitate Chris's movements and mannerisms very well (so I've read), but I have also read that Chris didn't want to share the role. A bit of an ego, huh? Overall it was fairly amazing CGI.

  71. Re:Two Questions by kevinmenzel · · Score: 1

    Indeed :) Though as someone who worked as a video editor for years dealing with people who would shoot with different frame rates (not for anything important, just for stupid camp promo videos so that campers would emotionally connect with camp about the time we were trying to do registration again), I developed a knack for noticing such things. And I blame the map thing on the years spent studying for map quizzes as a history major.

  72. Loved it by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

    If you enjoy fun, go see this movie. If you're a stuck up art fag, stay home and watch Citizen Kane again.

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