Sooo... if a business takes your liberty away, it's right, if a government does the same it's bad... mmmmfff...
Uggg The right to use X provider is not a liberty. The provider, the person who sells you the phone, and you all have rights in the transaction and just like anywhere else in life *none* of them are absolute. There is nothing illegal or even morally wrong with me selling you something with a condition (so long as the condition does not void any of your God given rights). You are free to abstain from the transaction. I dont like carrier locking but I also have not invested my life in a business that sells phones..
But because you have asked: In the US you actually *do* have the right to setup your phone on whatever cell network you wish. There is an exemption in the DCMA for just that http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf
You have the right to mod your phone so you can use it on whatever network youwish (your property)
Just don't expect the providers of hardware to support a modded system why should they have to? Should not their property (being their business) have some protection as well?
"I'm just commenti"ng on what my everyday life feels like."
Right your big concern in life is cell phone carrier locking and you think somehow this is relevant?
"I can talk political all I want at school and with friends. That's not been taken away from me when I left America."
Go do it with a megaphone in a public park, denounce communism as an oppressive system..
"to be able to go clubbing without being denied just because they're a little young."
Holy crap they've got a younger legal drinking age and they dont enforce it... That cinches it..
"I can go anywhere I want without problems"
Unless you're carrying a Bible out in the open
"one girl at my school is known for having multiple abortions- that's also a freedom that's in danger in America, due to pro-life groups, that's not in China"
Whats more evil.. Me saying that an unborn is a human being so they have rights and freedoms or a government saying *I dont care if you think the unborn is alive, you live in Tibet and youre having an abortion!*
You're a foolish kid concerned with drinking, partying, and techno gadgets.. When you up and decide to fight for something in life thats substantial lets see your opinion of Chinese freedom then.
"Quite a few times I feel more free in China than I do than America"
Go to a popular public park with a megaphone and a placard that says 'over throw the government' in China, Ill do the same in the US and well get together tonight to see who got harassed *less* by the authorities..
"particularly when it comes to cellphones- carrier locking?"
Carrier locking is about a business owner making a contract, its called private property rights. See in china if you started a business you would not have such rights.
"The US and China (or even cold war Russia) are not really that different."
Captain hyperbole to the rescue! Yes a nation where they run over student protesters with tanks and black out the media with it, where the actively filter news information and words like 'democracy' is really on par with the US.
Ive been to China and I have seen the pear in peoples eyes when a soldier is near if they are street vending without permission. and I've been to Minneapolis where people once a week take to different intersections around the city to protest Bush and the war (tough Ive never seen tanks).
"Total government control over news media"
You mean like slashdot? democraticunderground? freerepublic? indimedia? seriously do you see a lack of vocal displeasure with the government being shut down..
"Total government control over communications"
They are moving that way but nearly to the level china does it, I can still encrypt my communications, The internet is still pretty free and open if you use an anonymozer.
"The ironic bit is that the people this is theoretically aimed at (terrorists, paedophiles) would much rather take 5 years for not disclosing a key then whatever they were due for what they were really doing."
Because like the democrats the GOP has a good deal of diversity of thought. The democrats tolerate the Blue dogs (you know the ones who gave them the house and senate this year) despite the fact many are rather conservative on social issues. Someone who might be a Republican in NY would be a liberal democrat in Georgia.
You have to look at the man..
To be completely honest I cant give you a date but on the show there was a story about a new Dinosaur which Stewart promptly named 'Retadasauraus' and showed a picture of Bush.
"that makes him different from all the Republican shills (Hannity et. all) how?"
For one the republican Shills like Hannity *admit they are shills*..
Lets see... Ron paul very vocally disagrees with everything this administration does, wants to dismantle allot of the intrusive cogs of our government and get out of Iraq pronto... He say that part of the blame on 911 falls on the US for sticking its nose where it should not be..
I swear the only thing worse than someone who will vote for someone only because the have a (D/R) in front of their name is the people who will automatically vote *against* someone because they have a (D/R) in front of their name..
Sorry Stewart lost me when he started calling people retards for having different political stances than him.. Hes a partisan with great punchlines who spreads it around *just enough* to make it look like hes not a shill..
I have started to really like his show. Im sure I would disagree with him on 9/10 issues but you hit the nail on the head when you said "Colbert actually uses his humor to make very specific, nuanced points without reducing it to a tired preconceived notion." And, frankly, he spreads it around a little better than Stewart..
Stewart at least serves a valid reality based purpose,
Yes comedic entertainment, he is trying to make the daily show something of a real news show and that why I stoped watching some years back. He is like Orielly..
that is to make political idiots look ridiculous in public.
Its to make political idiots *he dis-agrees with* look like idiots... Hes is Bill Orielly but he has better punchlines..
People don't get the encrypted receipts... Maybe Just a POT receipt for them and the encrypted one goes in a bin to which only election officials have the keys.
Oh so you're police state has the force of law behind it making it nearly impossible to stop and all we need is the dems to grow a pair to stop out state?
Up to the school district, just inform parents about the topic and allow them to opt out. I as a Christian am not in favor of abstinence only education but why should I from teh twin cities tell a school district in OKC or San Fransisco what to do
Let's completely ignore a field of research because of embryos that were going to be destroyed will be used in it
This goes beyond religion just as the argument against slavery went against religion. It all falls to when you think life begins. If you don't think until birth than you have no problem with any of this, if you think at conception well thats the debate to be had.
Vaccinations? HPV anyone?
I don't see Christians saying that gardasil (sp?) should be illegal just not compulsory in middle school girls. When you mandate it via law you free the manufacture of the vaccination from future legal liability and substitute the state for the parents when it comes to medical decisions.
FWIW I have not vaccinated my daughters for anything when they are a bit older and bigger (so trace amounts of HG and other toxins are not as worrisome and their immune system is fully mature Ill probably step back. But no way will I allow a fast tracked untested vaccine (in terms of long term effects) into my kids. When they are 16 Ill let them decide..
BTW all those anti vaccination freaks might have been onto something 'http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58004'
Belief in a fairy tail especially one showing such violence and contempt for other human beings
Please secular communism in China, Cambodia, and The Soviet Union killed more people than every 'religious war' ever fought. Human beings be they Athiest, Muslim, or 'Christians' are capable of tremendous horrors.
Electing someone from a family(granted the mistake of electing the previous guy was also made) that questions whether an atheist is a citizen of a country.
And this is related to Christianity how? Seriously just because someone calls themselves a Christian and then says if your not Christian you're not a citizen does not mean all or even most Christians think that. *every* group of people, even Atheist have their nut balls.
I know that someone who strongly believes in said fairy tail would not be able to accept evidence that questions their particular fairy tail
You don't want to believe the tenants of my religion, fine I hold no malice toward you and hold in in no higher regard than I do myself. I work with folks who believe all sorts of things and I get through the day just fine. I put it to you that you are more intolerant than Christians *as a whole*.
Perhaps a better question would be to ask why the current US president didn't just accept he made a mistake, rather than pretend that he is unable to read a map\briefing card\etc.?
Either (a) You're confusing me for someone who like GWB or (b) wants to cloud our discussion with a highly emotional figure because you have no real argument against my statement that a belief in God or the age of the earth will do nothing to prevent a Christian from fulfilling the duties of the president as well as an Atheist.
Someones religious beliefs are not at issue... I could vote for someone of any religion, or none at all so long as I think they will uphold the principles of the office to which they aspire..
So what if someone believes the earth is 10k years old? does that make you more intelligent than them? Seriously someone can understand a theory, know the ins and outs of it and yet not agree with it because of a belief in something higher. Is it really going to affect a transportation bill if someone things a river was created through millions of years of geological process or if the thin God dug it with his hands 4 thousand years ago? No its geological features are the same irregardless and a bridge built to span it must deal with that..
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Uggg The right to use X provider is not a liberty. The provider, the person who sells you the phone, and you all have rights in the transaction and just like anywhere else in life *none* of them are absolute. There is nothing illegal or even morally wrong with me selling you something with a condition (so long as the condition does not void any of your God given rights). You are free to abstain from the transaction. I dont like carrier locking but I also have not invested my life in a business that sells phones..
But because you have asked: In the US you actually *do* have the right to setup your phone on whatever cell network you wish. There is an exemption in the DCMA for just that http://www.copyright.gov/1201/docs/1201_recommendation.pdf
You have the right to mod your phone so you can use it on whatever network youwish (your property)
Just don't expect the providers of hardware to support a modded system why should they have to? Should not their property (being their business) have some protection as well?
If the us used the death penalty as easily or often as the Chinese (e.g. shot all drug dealers) our rates would be lower than theirs..
Actually China is proof that the death penelty at least has *some* merit as a deterrent..
Right your big concern in life is cell phone carrier locking and you think somehow this is relevant?
"I can talk political all I want at school and with friends. That's not been taken away from me when I left America."
Go do it with a megaphone in a public park, denounce communism as an oppressive system..
"to be able to go clubbing without being denied just because they're a little young."
Holy crap they've got a younger legal drinking age and they dont enforce it... That cinches it..
"I can go anywhere I want without problems"
Unless you're carrying a Bible out in the open
"one girl at my school is known for having multiple abortions- that's also a freedom that's in danger in America, due to pro-life groups, that's not in China"
Whats more evil.. Me saying that an unborn is a human being so they have rights and freedoms or a government saying *I dont care if you think the unborn is alive, you live in Tibet and youre having an abortion!*
You're a foolish kid concerned with drinking, partying, and techno gadgets.. When you up and decide to fight for something in life thats substantial lets see your opinion of Chinese freedom then.
"Quite a few times I feel more free in China than I do than America"
Go to a popular public park with a megaphone and a placard that says 'over throw the government' in China, Ill do the same in the US and well get together tonight to see who got harassed *less* by the authorities..
"particularly when it comes to cellphones- carrier locking?"
Carrier locking is about a business owner making a contract, its called private property rights. See in china if you started a business you would not have such rights.
"The US and China (or even cold war Russia) are not really that different."
Captain hyperbole to the rescue! Yes a nation where they run over student protesters with tanks and black out the media with it, where the actively filter news information and words like 'democracy' is really on par with the US.
Ive been to China and I have seen the pear in peoples eyes when a soldier is near if they are street vending without permission. and I've been to Minneapolis where people once a week take to different intersections around the city to protest Bush and the war (tough Ive never seen tanks).
"Total government control over news media"
You mean like slashdot? democraticunderground? freerepublic? indimedia? seriously do you see a lack of vocal displeasure with the government being shut down..
"Total government control over communications"
They are moving that way but nearly to the level china does it, I can still encrypt my communications, The internet is still pretty free and open if you use an anonymozer.
"The ironic bit is that the people this is theoretically aimed at (terrorists, paedophiles) would much rather take 5 years for not disclosing a key then whatever they were due for what they were really doing."
There is always water boarding...
'socialist libertarian' Que?
Houston the Goodwin has landed
Because like the democrats the GOP has a good deal of diversity of thought. The democrats tolerate the Blue dogs (you know the ones who gave them the house and senate this year) despite the fact many are rather conservative on social issues. Someone who might be a Republican in NY would be a liberal democrat in Georgia. You have to look at the man..
To be completely honest I cant give you a date but on the show there was a story about a new Dinosaur which Stewart promptly named 'Retadasauraus' and showed a picture of Bush. "that makes him different from all the Republican shills (Hannity et. all) how?" For one the republican Shills like Hannity *admit they are shills*..
great let me know when the US is a direct democracy...
Lets see... Ron paul very vocally disagrees with everything this administration does, wants to dismantle allot of the intrusive cogs of our government and get out of Iraq pronto... He say that part of the blame on 911 falls on the US for sticking its nose where it should not be..
I swear the only thing worse than someone who will vote for someone only because the have a (D/R) in front of their name is the people who will automatically vote *against* someone because they have a (D/R) in front of their name..
Sorry Stewart lost me when he started calling people retards for having different political stances than him.. Hes a partisan with great punchlines who spreads it around *just enough* to make it look like hes not a shill..
I have started to really like his show. Im sure I would disagree with him on 9/10 issues but you hit the nail on the head when you said "Colbert actually uses his humor to make very specific, nuanced points without reducing it to a tired preconceived notion." And, frankly, he spreads it around a little better than Stewart..
Yes comedic entertainment, he is trying to make the daily show something of a real news show and that why I stoped watching some years back. He is like Orielly..
that is to make political idiots look ridiculous in public.
Its to make political idiots *he dis-agrees with* look like idiots... Hes is Bill Orielly but he has better punchlines..
People don't get the encrypted receipts... Maybe Just a POT receipt for them and the encrypted one goes in a bin to which only election officials have the keys.
Actually a great idea, maybe encrypted text? With a key only known by the election board?
Oh so you're police state has the force of law behind it making it nearly impossible to stop and all we need is the dems to grow a pair to stop out state?
You can still count web hits and referrals via links..
Unless of course they are using Mull as in Mull Over which means 'Reflect deeply on a subject'
Ponies exist, they desire a unicorn..
None of this changes the fact the land lord owns the property, and if he can benefit from signing an exclusive contract it should be legal
Up to the school district, just inform parents about the topic and allow them to opt out. I as a Christian am not in favor of abstinence only education but why should I from teh twin cities tell a school district in OKC or San Fransisco what to do
Let's completely ignore a field of research because of embryos that were going to be destroyed will be used in it
This goes beyond religion just as the argument against slavery went against religion. It all falls to when you think life begins. If you don't think until birth than you have no problem with any of this, if you think at conception well thats the debate to be had.
Vaccinations? HPV anyone?
I don't see Christians saying that gardasil (sp?) should be illegal just not compulsory in middle school girls. When you mandate it via law you free the manufacture of the vaccination from future legal liability and substitute the state for the parents when it comes to medical decisions.
FWIW I have not vaccinated my daughters for anything when they are a bit older and bigger (so trace amounts of HG and other toxins are not as worrisome and their immune system is fully mature Ill probably step back. But no way will I allow a fast tracked untested vaccine (in terms of long term effects) into my kids. When they are 16 Ill let them decide..
BTW all those anti vaccination freaks might have been onto something 'http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58004'
Please secular communism in China, Cambodia, and The Soviet Union killed more people than every 'religious war' ever fought. Human beings be they Athiest, Muslim, or 'Christians' are capable of tremendous horrors.
Electing someone from a family(granted the mistake of electing the previous guy was also made) that questions whether an atheist is a citizen of a country.
And this is related to Christianity how? Seriously just because someone calls themselves a Christian and then says if your not Christian you're not a citizen does not mean all or even most Christians think that. *every* group of people, even Atheist have their nut balls.
I know that someone who strongly believes in said fairy tail would not be able to accept evidence that questions their particular fairy tail
You don't want to believe the tenants of my religion, fine I hold no malice toward you and hold in in no higher regard than I do myself. I work with folks who believe all sorts of things and I get through the day just fine. I put it to you that you are more intolerant than Christians *as a whole*.
Perhaps a better question would be to ask why the current US president didn't just accept he made a mistake, rather than pretend that he is unable to read a map\briefing card\etc.?
Either (a) You're confusing me for someone who like GWB or (b) wants to cloud our discussion with a highly emotional figure because you have no real argument against my statement that a belief in God or the age of the earth will do nothing to prevent a Christian from fulfilling the duties of the president as well as an Atheist.
Someones religious beliefs are not at issue... I could vote for someone of any religion, or none at all so long as I think they will uphold the principles of the office to which they aspire.. So what if someone believes the earth is 10k years old? does that make you more intelligent than them? Seriously someone can understand a theory, know the ins and outs of it and yet not agree with it because of a belief in something higher. Is it really going to affect a transportation bill if someone things a river was created through millions of years of geological process or if the thin God dug it with his hands 4 thousand years ago? No its geological features are the same irregardless and a bridge built to span it must deal with that..