life in a country grabbed by Bush gaming the system and stealing the 2000 election.
Yea how dare Florida certify a vote by the date its constitution requires, and how dare we pick by the EC not the popular vote (Forget that Kennedy did not win the popular vote in 60).. Bush won the election and all the recounts afterwords.
There was no recount, it was stopped by the Florida Supreme Court.
Because Flordia has a *LAW* stating an election has to be certified by a given date, its a law the people of Flordia put into place. Every indipendant recount afterwords (not done by a moveon.org kneepadder) shows that Bush did in fact win Flordia.
If you accept that Florida election as the will of the people, you deserve what you get from Bush.
Like Al Gore of John Kerry care about the will of the people, Gore tried to get military ballots excluded and Kerry had kicked Nader off the ballot.
you deserve what you get from Bush. But I don't.
And you dont live in a democracy, you never did. The president is not supposed to be elected by the people he is supposed to be elected by the states.
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Perhaps... But there is not a ton of difference between the type of lefties they are and all out communist..
MN and WI aren't likely to be bothered with either.
Having lived in NY neither candidate never came (because of the EC). Living now in MN (A smaller state) I can tell you I have seen Bush here 4 times and Kerry here at least three times being a stones throw frim WI I can tell you the same is true there.
So yes MN and WI are getting pleanty of attention. And none of this addresses the fact the constitutionally the president was not ment to lead the people of the US he is intended to lead the *UNITED* sates of this nation.
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you are an international party (http://www.globalgreens.info/) with very *very* left/socialist leaning positions (http://www.gp.org/tenkey.html)
Nader is a risk for Bush and Kerry. A lot of people are mad at Bush right now, and a lot of left-leaning people might also vote for Nader instead of Kerry as Nader is seen as more of a "Centrist".
Ok so how is this bad for Bush? Look the fact is it was the democrats in court pushing Nader off the ballot but if you want to think Bush is happy the man who handed him the election in 2000 is off the ballot you are letting your bias influence you judgement..
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The weapons inspectors they kicked out *WERE* a condition of the cease fire. Also in 1998 I did not see crying and gnashing of teeth when Clinton used the same thing to bomb Iraq..
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It will be a long time before Americans (myself included) will accept the commy international greens as anything other than what they are..
As a student of History, I understand why the Electoral College exists. What I don't understand is/why/ we're still using it.
Well as you have history down why dont you read the constitution. The Pres is not a represenative of the people he is a represenative of the *states*. If you banned the EC do you think anyone would bother with ID, or ND? No matter what you do someone in a given election will be ignored..
I think it is a sad day in politics if you have to be affiliated with a party in order to run for office, especially President.
Umm you dont, you have to be affiliated (or gather enough signatures (which he did not) to be on the ballot. People can still write him in.
To Sum up:
if your in a party you are on the ballot
if you are not in a party you have to gather signatures to be on the ballot
if you are not on the ballot you can still be written in
I think the ballot should have as many people as want to run, perhaps with a petition saying x number of people will vote for me, like 5,000 or so.
This is the law in fla the problem is because Nader was on a party ticket he never botherd to get the signatures.
This is already how many states do it, but this seems a sad attempt by Jeb's good ol' boys to block a change in the outcome of the 2004 election.
Wow why would Jeb *not* want Nader on there, do you think Bush is losing vote to nader or would Kerry. Just so you know it was the Flordia DNC who brought the legal action to get Nader off the ticket..
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WTF ? That bush moron and his family/host of politial friends are establishing a military dictature and waging war on foreign countries.
Yea cause its not like Iraq invaded a neighbor, was defeated and then violated the terms of a cease fire..
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Kerry has at least announced a timeframe to try and get troops out. (4 years) The mere existence of a withdrawal time, the fact that the US plans to NOT have an indefinite occupation, might itself help things there.
Thats not a plan, I can say I have a plan to get out in two weeks. Anyone who has followed John Kerry knows a four year promise is worthless because he always has a reason to change his mind (ala Yucca Mountain, and kerrys yes vote on the screw nevada bill)..
Frace has nobody in Iraq and yet there citizens are in danger because of a head scarf ban, do you really think us saying well only be here 4 years will stop the few people still doing suicide bomb attacks...
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And yet people point at the fact that Kerry is winning in the world as if it matters
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How so Kerry's plan is to send more US troops over..
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Well put, I am so sick of people both in the US and around the world thinking that who China wants elected should matter..
No, I was talking about the first post in this thread.. " Any president who reads the bible for help making presidential decisions cannot be pro-science,"
The top 10% sits on their asses and spend inherited wealth. Do you know over 60% of the population of the US thinks it's in the top 3% of income earners?
Yea Bill Gates, Michael Dell, yea they are all just lazy do nothings.. What jobs have they ever cerated...
And even the his plan is not a plan.. Imrpove the economy, fiscal dicipline, and bipartisan reform?? I mean those are all things needed in washington (somthing kerry has not done in 20 years of senate service). But what kind of reforms?
Im John Kerry I have a plan and thats all you need to know...
Immigrants usually contribute more in taxes than they take out.
This has not been true in some years. Especially if you factor in immigrants who keep 'the jobs no american would do" have large families and send them to school (national average is 10K per studant so a family with four kids gets 40K), not to mention medicare, and the short working lives of immigrants who come over at a later age (35+). I have been paying SS tax for a dozen years and I am only 27.
The problem is there is no way to 'let the good times roll' the government is not mommy or daddy they should not take care of you they should make sure that nobody violates your rights, thats *all*.
But so long as we insist on taking care of everybody people are going to want more and more until we are taxed at rates higher than those that caused us to break away from england.
My wifes family in Korea (5 kids) sends more money to their grandmother than all my mothers kids (7) do. People should take care of their own..
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lol.... Lets leave it at my bad..
Not blaming you for anything, you asked why someone said something I replied to your post with the answer..
Yea how dare Florida certify a vote by the date its constitution requires, and how dare we pick by the EC not the popular vote (Forget that Kennedy did not win the popular vote in 60).. Bush won the election and all the recounts afterwords.
There was no recount, it was stopped by the Florida Supreme Court.
Because Flordia has a *LAW* stating an election has to be certified by a given date, its a law the people of Flordia put into place. Every indipendant recount afterwords (not done by a moveon.org kneepadder) shows that Bush did in fact win Flordia.
If you accept that Florida election as the will of the people, you deserve what you get from Bush. Like Al Gore of John Kerry care about the will of the people, Gore tried to get military ballots excluded and Kerry had kicked Nader off the ballot.
you deserve what you get from Bush. But I don't.
And you dont live in a democracy, you never did. The president is not supposed to be elected by the people he is supposed to be elected by the states.
Perhaps... But there is not a ton of difference between the type of lefties they are and all out communist..
Having lived in NY neither candidate never came (because of the EC). Living now in MN (A smaller state) I can tell you I have seen Bush here 4 times and Kerry here at least three times being a stones throw frim WI I can tell you the same is true there.
So yes MN and WI are getting pleanty of attention. And none of this addresses the fact the constitutionally the president was not ment to lead the people of the US he is intended to lead the *UNITED* sates of this nation.
you are an international party (http://www.globalgreens.info/) with very *very* left/socialist leaning positions (http://www.gp.org/tenkey.html)
Ok so how is this bad for Bush? Look the fact is it was the democrats in court pushing Nader off the ballot but if you want to think Bush is happy the man who handed him the election in 2000 is off the ballot you are letting your bias influence you judgement..
Fine MN and WI would be compleatly ignored...
The weapons inspectors they kicked out *WERE* a condition of the cease fire. Also in 1998 I did not see crying and gnashing of teeth when Clinton used the same thing to bomb Iraq..
It will be a long time before Americans (myself included) will accept the commy international greens as anything other than what they are..
Well as you have history down why dont you read the constitution. The Pres is not a represenative of the people he is a represenative of the *states*. If you banned the EC do you think anyone would bother with ID, or ND? No matter what you do someone in a given election will be ignored..
Umm you dont, you have to be affiliated (or gather enough signatures (which he did not) to be on the ballot. People can still write him in.
To Sum up:
if your in a party you are on the ballot
if you are not in a party you have to gather signatures to be on the ballot
if you are not on the ballot you can still be written in
I think the ballot should have as many people as want to run, perhaps with a petition saying x number of people will vote for me, like 5,000 or so.
This is the law in fla the problem is because Nader was on a party ticket he never botherd to get the signatures.
This is already how many states do it, but this seems a sad attempt by Jeb's good ol' boys to block a change in the outcome of the 2004 election.
Wow why would Jeb *not* want Nader on there, do you think Bush is losing vote to nader or would Kerry. Just so you know it was the Flordia DNC who brought the legal action to get Nader off the ticket..
Yea cause its not like Iraq invaded a neighbor, was defeated and then violated the terms of a cease fire..
Thats not a plan, I can say I have a plan to get out in two weeks. Anyone who has followed John Kerry knows a four year promise is worthless because he always has a reason to change his mind (ala Yucca Mountain, and kerrys yes vote on the screw nevada bill)..
Frace has nobody in Iraq and yet there citizens are in danger because of a head scarf ban, do you really think us saying well only be here 4 years will stop the few people still doing suicide bomb attacks...
And yet people point at the fact that Kerry is winning in the world as if it matters
How so Kerry's plan is to send more US troops over..
Well put, I am so sick of people both in the US and around the world thinking that who China wants elected should matter..
No, I was talking about the first post in this thread.. " Any president who reads the bible for help making presidential decisions cannot be pro-science,"
Before a non American makes such a stupid statement they read our counstitution and learn what winning an election means..
Umm that you be the origional post..
Yea Bill Gates, Michael Dell, yea they are all just lazy do nothings.. What jobs have they ever cerated...
And the top 1% pays 50% of the tax burden and the top 50% pays 96%! of the taxes... seems not all that unfair..
Maybe if mondales focus was on shrinking government and not taking more money he might have done better..
Im John Kerry I have a plan and thats all you need to know...
This has not been true in some years. Especially if you factor in immigrants who keep 'the jobs no american would do" have large families and send them to school (national average is 10K per studant so a family with four kids gets 40K), not to mention medicare, and the short working lives of immigrants who come over at a later age (35+). I have been paying SS tax for a dozen years and I am only 27.
The problem is there is no way to 'let the good times roll' the government is not mommy or daddy they should not take care of you they should make sure that nobody violates your rights, thats *all*.
But so long as we insist on taking care of everybody people are going to want more and more until we are taxed at rates higher than those that caused us to break away from england.
My wifes family in Korea (5 kids) sends more money to their grandmother than all my mothers kids (7) do. People should take care of their own..