You need to be able to convince other countries that your side is right. Bush has failed to do that
Italy, Poland, GB, Japan, Korea, and for a time the Phillipines, Spain,... Disagree with you. But even if they did not you dont wait for (as Zell Miller put it) Paris to tell us when we can defend ourselves. If we went in alone so be it, the Iraqi's kidnapped a french Journalist because of the headscarf ban in french shcools, even though they fought hard against the war.
Bush FAILED to convince the international community and America on the presence of WMD in Iraq.
Yup, but sarin laced shells have been found in Iraq.
Bush FAILED to convince our allies to come to our side, some of whom have been our ally for over 50 years.
France has always been an ally of convience and we can do without the Germans. The Tussians were a dissapointment, but seing as they (like france) had a good deal of money owed them its not suprising.
90% American soldiers and the American taxpayers are funding 90% of cost to rebuild Iraq, which is now at over $200 billion. The UK makes up another 5%. Big fucking whoop.
I dont care if we had to foot 100% of the bill. You dont wait for france when you have to fight. The UN sits by for a decade and does nothing except the oil for food scam, they watch genocide in sudan and do nothing, and we are supposed to wait for them the be ready to go into Iraq?
I disagree strongly with the war, but not on the basis of France refusing to fight (hell the German soldiers marched into paris without fireing a shot).
fucking ignorant you are about the French, and many other countries of the world.
blah blah blah, the Russians died by the Millions, the Brittons watched London burn, the Pol's tried fighting tanks with horses, and the frech gave up rather than see a single window in Paris break. There was a time when the french had a spine but that was long *long* ago..
do you have that he does know the law? It sure looks to me that his respect for the Constitution is slight at best, if not outright absent.
His respect for the constitution is as bad as Clintons, or Kerry's (Hence I am going 3rd party).
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I see the average person (in your opinion) is smart enought to get an MBA from harvard and fly a fighter interceptor
Maybe he should not have made the DNC a five day review of his vietnam record. "Im John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty" come on. The only specific thing I have ever heard him say is he wants to pay for free college for kids who do two years of public service afterwords (still waiting to hear where the money will come from)..
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"profitist" is accurate in a way, it's like the American spin on fascism, well put.
Or a good way to describe the UN Oil for Food scam..
In a presidential district the only state that districts matter are ME an NB (total 10 EV).
Ack it was too early in the morning, that should read in a presidential election the only states that a district matters is ME and NB..
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It is by far the most popular documentary of all time, in the entire world.
My problem, is its not a documentary, it was nowhere near objective. His editing style make his moves more about entertainment and political knee padding than anything else.
ut it is very difficult to present all that he did in just 2 hours.
Not if you leave anything that does not fit your political message on the cutting room floor its not.
I did not like the part where moore edited out the part where a Minnesota senator told him that his son was too young to enlist but his nephew was.
That stupid stunt (will you enlist your kid) is typical of moore who in bowling for columbine snipped part of different heston speaches together to make it look like he told the famlies to take their grief and shove it.
Do you think that the Congress actually did read the "Patriot" Act before passing it?
I dont think congress reads allot of stuff before passing it, thats not bushes fault.
and a brother of Osama bin Laden
Maybe Fahrenheit 9/11 is not expressed in a way you would like, but most of the problems it discussed are real, without question
It was as accurate as any political commercial, take a few facts see them through very biased eyes and edit them to make your point.
A large part of a Politician's job is public speaking so I would expect him to at least sound like he knew what he was talking about.
And Bush does this all the time, its the gaffs you hear.
I also expect some knowledge of law
And what evidance do you have Bush has no knowledge of the law?
but hey I could be "misunderestimating" him.
Wow something he said once, and has been recycled over and over agin...
My question is why did you even bother to ask "is he dumb"> YOu obvioulsy are pretty sure he is. The reason I believe you asked is so you did not look like a partisan knee padder, try harder next time..
As Dave Berry said, the French on the opposite think that the Americans are overweight burger munching trigger happy ignorant religious zealots driving gas-guzzling SUVs, and like all nationalistic clichés, this is also true.
And I dont even think we should whine they are racist for saying that
So Cambodia/Laos/Vietnam were seperate wars? a depleted uranium shell is a dirty bomb?
BTW your list of 24 wars is infact 24 nations that have been bombed many of whom were part of the same war and even more of whom had international operations against them. Libya / Sudan were not wars, they were realiation for terrorist attacks.
What an aweful site, its fine to point out what we have done wrong but dont twist the facts and outright lie about it. Are you sure youre not a recovering alcholic?
No it begs the question that he does not speak well in public, many people do not. Is it a good thing for a president to always be clear in public *yes* is it a sign of stupidity *no*. It is certainly most not the case that he can not think for himself, you do have some proof of that right? oh I guess your againg just going on what you *wink wink* heard right?
He got the Harvard MBA and everything else thanks to his dad from what I can tell
Really how can you tell this? Im sure MoveOn would love to see the evidance you put together..
I sure wouldn't hire someone with as tenuous a grasp on the language as Bush.
Well the states differed with you in the last election. If I had to pick someone to run my busainess I sure would not pick someone who would screw his intern in the office but the states differ with me on that..
Bush is not good in situations where an unexpected topic is being covered, my personal belief is he is not a good public speaker (not a sign of stupidity). The man has a harvard MBA not exactly small school bus material..
Perhaps but it has more to do with someone assuming because he mispronounces something he is stupid (never mind the Harvard MBA). The guy is not the brightest president we have but I very much doubt he is actually below average, let alone stupid. He debates well because he is focused and knows what he believes, Kerry will have to stop trying to cover his ass on every issue (take both sides) if he hopes to do well.
According to "the Economist", however, Kerry is already "kebabized" over Vietnam and his changing mind over the Iraq war, while Bush is very hard to kebabize about his military record the silver spoon he had in his mouth when he was born
That might be because Kerry decided to run on his Vietnam service and his 15 positions on Iraq..
districts are gerrymandered
In a presidential district the only state that districts matter are ME an NB (total 10 EV).
the vote is amplified by the electoral colleges
As it is intended to be, we are a federal Republic not a direct democracy
and everyone has already accepted the result thanks to biased polls
The same polls had Kerry Winning two months ago? If kerry loses this its because he refused to define himself as anything other than a vietnam vet who would do "everything" "different" in Iraq (note the specifics he has given)..
How is that a straw man? That is exactly what people here are saying.
Tinfoil Hat Now dont get me wrong I am not saying that Rove did do this, all I am saying is that he is capable of it, Its likely Rove wanted this to happen! Roave rove rove, but I dont think that we should excuse CBS rove rove rove..
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Well lets see what he says now:
This time John Kerry is promising what Gore didn't -- to keep nuclear waste out.
vs what he did when the screw Nevada Bill came up
"screw Nevada" bill. Kerry did vote for the budget measure, and Nevada's senators opposed it because of that one provision. The budget measure was adopted 61-28 on Dec. 21, 1987. However, it was not a straight up-or-down vote on Yucca Mountain.
What this bill did was to make yucca mountain the only site that could even be studied..
Spokeswoman Jenny Nash said Friday the law is clear: The deadline applies to the governor and the list of presidential electors, not to the candidates themselves.
So Bush did not need to be nominated by Sept1 only the republican Electors..
This was a case of the Bush paperwork getting in after september 1st not the electors.
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Italy, Poland, GB, Japan, Korea, and for a time the Phillipines, Spain, ... Disagree with you. But even if they did not you dont wait for (as Zell Miller put it) Paris to tell us when we can defend ourselves. If we went in alone so be it, the Iraqi's kidnapped a french Journalist because of the headscarf ban in french shcools, even though they fought hard against the war.
Bush FAILED to convince the international community and America on the presence of WMD in Iraq.
Yup, but sarin laced shells have been found in Iraq.
Bush FAILED to convince our allies to come to our side, some of whom have been our ally for over 50 years.
France has always been an ally of convience and we can do without the Germans. The Tussians were a dissapointment, but seing as they (like france) had a good deal of money owed them its not suprising.
90% American soldiers and the American taxpayers are funding 90% of cost to rebuild Iraq, which is now at over $200 billion. The UK makes up another 5%. Big fucking whoop.
I dont care if we had to foot 100% of the bill. You dont wait for france when you have to fight. The UN sits by for a decade and does nothing except the oil for food scam, they watch genocide in sudan and do nothing, and we are supposed to wait for them the be ready to go into Iraq?
I disagree strongly with the war, but not on the basis of France refusing to fight (hell the German soldiers marched into paris without fireing a shot).
blah blah blah, the Russians died by the Millions, the Brittons watched London burn, the Pol's tried fighting tanks with horses, and the frech gave up rather than see a single window in Paris break. There was a time when the french had a spine but that was long *long* ago..
do you have that he does know the law? It sure looks to me that his respect for the Constitution is slight at best, if not outright absent.
His respect for the constitution is as bad as Clintons, or Kerry's (Hence I am going 3rd party).
I see the average person (in your opinion) is smart enought to get an MBA from harvard and fly a fighter interceptor
Sorry meant NE
Bush straight out beat Gore, it had nothing to do with expectations. Maybe Gore did not prepare, but bush did not get a "close enough" win.
One day we might hear the real story of why we fight/die for oil.
How is Iraq a war for Oil? Please explain how this war was better for the Oil companies than just lifting the sancations..
Maybe he should not have made the DNC a five day review of his vietnam record. "Im John Kerry and I'm reporting for duty" come on. The only specific thing I have ever heard him say is he wants to pay for free college for kids who do two years of public service afterwords (still waiting to hear where the money will come from)..
Or a good way to describe the UN Oil for Food scam..
Ack it was too early in the morning, that should read in a presidential election the only states that a district matters is ME and NB..
My problem, is its not a documentary, it was nowhere near objective. His editing style make his moves more about entertainment and political knee padding than anything else.
ut it is very difficult to present all that he did in just 2 hours.
Not if you leave anything that does not fit your political message on the cutting room floor its not.
That stupid stunt (will you enlist your kid) is typical of moore who in bowling for columbine snipped part of different heston speaches together to make it look like he told the famlies to take their grief and shove it.
Do you think that the Congress actually did read the "Patriot" Act before passing it?
I dont think congress reads allot of stuff before passing it, thats not bushes fault.
and a brother of Osama bin Laden
Maybe Fahrenheit 9/11 is not expressed in a way you would like, but most of the problems it discussed are real, without question
It was as accurate as any political commercial, take a few facts see them through very biased eyes and edit them to make your point.
And Bush does this all the time, its the gaffs you hear.
I also expect some knowledge of law
And what evidance do you have Bush has no knowledge of the law?
but hey I could be "misunderestimating" him.
Wow something he said once, and has been recycled over and over agin...
My question is why did you even bother to ask "is he dumb"> YOu obvioulsy are pretty sure he is. The reason I believe you asked is so you did not look like a partisan knee padder, try harder next time..
And I dont even think we should whine they are racist for saying that
BTW your list of 24 wars is infact 24 nations that have been bombed many of whom were part of the same war and even more of whom had international operations against them. Libya / Sudan were not wars, they were realiation for terrorist attacks.
What an aweful site, its fine to point out what we have done wrong but dont twist the facts and outright lie about it. Are you sure youre not a recovering alcholic?
You'll have to pardon me if I cant take a site that says F9/11 was anything other than a hack piece seriously..
No it begs the question that he does not speak well in public, many people do not. Is it a good thing for a president to always be clear in public *yes* is it a sign of stupidity *no*. It is certainly most not the case that he can not think for himself, you do have some proof of that right? oh I guess your againg just going on what you *wink wink* heard right?
Really how can you tell this? Im sure MoveOn would love to see the evidance you put together..
I sure wouldn't hire someone with as tenuous a grasp on the language as Bush.
Well the states differed with you in the last election. If I had to pick someone to run my busainess I sure would not pick someone who would screw his intern in the office but the states differ with me on that..
Bush is not good in situations where an unexpected topic is being covered, my personal belief is he is not a good public speaker (not a sign of stupidity). The man has a harvard MBA not exactly small school bus material..
Perhaps but it has more to do with someone assuming because he mispronounces something he is stupid (never mind the Harvard MBA). The guy is not the brightest president we have but I very much doubt he is actually below average, let alone stupid. He debates well because he is focused and knows what he believes, Kerry will have to stop trying to cover his ass on every issue (take both sides) if he hopes to do well.
That might be because Kerry decided to run on his Vietnam service and his 15 positions on Iraq..
districts are gerrymandered
In a presidential district the only state that districts matter are ME an NB (total 10 EV).
the vote is amplified by the electoral colleges
As it is intended to be, we are a federal Republic not a direct democracy
and everyone has already accepted the result thanks to biased polls
The same polls had Kerry Winning two months ago? If kerry loses this its because he refused to define himself as anything other than a vietnam vet who would do "everything" "different" in Iraq (note the specifics he has given)..
Tinfoil Hat Now dont get me wrong I am not saying that Rove did do this, all I am saying is that he is capable of it, Its likely Rove wanted this to happen! Roave rove rove, but I dont think that we should excuse CBS rove rove rove..
This time John Kerry is promising what Gore didn't -- to keep nuclear waste out.
vs what he did when the screw Nevada Bill came up "screw Nevada" bill. Kerry did vote for the budget measure, and Nevada's senators opposed it because of that one provision. The budget measure was adopted 61-28 on Dec. 21, 1987. However, it was not a straight up-or-down vote on Yucca Mountain.
What this bill did was to make yucca mountain the only site that could even be studied..
Ok so more choices are bad for democracy because it hurts the guy you agree with.. Great way to start a flame war
No the republican Party had to give its electors, even the article you sourced says its not clear.. Good thing they have you ro sort it out..
Spokeswoman Jenny Nash said Friday the law is clear: The deadline applies to the governor and the list of presidential electors, not to the candidates themselves.
So Bush did not need to be nominated by Sept1 only the republican Electors..
This was a case of the Bush paperwork getting in after september 1st not the electors.
Really I had not heard that, Link?