The lesser of two evils is still evil. If you don't believe in Kerry (I personally see him as another ivory tower asshole with no agenda besides "I'm not Bush"), then don't vote for him, no matter how much you hate Bush.
Don't buy into the bullshit that voting for a third party candidate is "helping Bush", or "throwing your vote away".
This is merely propoganda spread by both the two major parties, scared shitless that the American people just may be sick of both of them. When Ross Perot got himself into the televised debates, it terrified them. So they had their media buddies change the rules of whos allowed in a debate (to exclude all third parties).
Look at other contries around the world. "Third parties" can and do come to power when people are sick of the old guard. Canada used to be just Liberals and Conservatives. Then the New Democrats came along, then the Reform party. Both came out of nowhere to become true political forces to be reckoned with. The two big parties aren't so big anymore.
Hell, there have been independant and third party governors, congressman and senators. There's nothing preventing a third party president, except for the fact the public has been brainwashed into thinkin there's only two parties.
Vote your conscience. Vote for the man, not the party, and vote for the man you feel is best suited for the job. If that's Bush or Kerry
Voting for Kerry because you hate Bush (or vice versa) is just whoring your vote out.
The two party "flip a coin" joke of a democracy has to end.
I hate both, and will vote for neither. Imagine them seeing 25% or greater of the population with the balls not to vote for either of them. That sends a *strong* message.
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The question is, should we bury it, or spritz it with Fabreeze and see how long we can milk it "Weekend at Bernie's" style.
the Slashdot editors represent a diverse spectrum of political ideologies
Yeah, everything from liberal to socialist!
So now there can be as many "Bush sucks" articles as there are "Windows sucks" articles.
And they're so fair and unbiased, I can't wait to see the Bush-as-borg icon.
Anyone else miss the old slashdot which was a decent spot to discuss tech?
I really don't care about the politics of a bunch of college kids. Oh well, a new section to block. Problem is, I bet 90% of front page stories are "politics".
Since HD will cost more, cheaper shows on standard-def DVDs will be around for a while
You seem to think that the industry is worried about resolutions and fidelity. They're more interested in the advanced DRM technologies in the new formats.
Once the new formats exist, I don't see Hollywood being all too eager to produce anything new on DVD.
The fact that they can charge more for higher definitions and more redundant features doesn't bother them either.
Like commentaries - hey now we have space to add commentary from everyone from the director to the caterer. In 13.1 dolby whole-lotta-speakers sound with THX-treme.
"I remember this scene, Brad Pitt ate all the rest of the green grapes, and then J-Lo stormed off the set and refused to come back until we got more. We managed to coax her out of her trailer with a couple plantaines and a stack of pancakes."
5) All computers with issues you listed stop existing.
The "going the way of the horse" analogy is a good one. Horses are hardly extinct, or obsolete. They're very effective tools for police, both for crowd control and public relations. A horse can go places you can't get to in your Hummer H2.
There are niches that horses fill nicely, there are niches floppies fill nicely too. But just like we don't ride horses as a day-to-day means of transport, we don't use floppies day-to-day anymore either.
But there's still tons of CNC equipment, etc, that relies on floppies. Businesses won't be in a hurry to replace million dollar pieces of equipment just because the new version has WiFi VLAN MEGAFLOPS ORACLE INTEGRATED ULTRA-FIBER COMPATIBILITY.
In the rest of the world, it's not. There's tons of CNC equipment that reads floppies, tons of industrial control type stuff.
Hell, I have a SuperUFO unit (SNES cartridge backup unit) that uses floppies. So long as I still have it, I still have a use for a floppy drive.
They are still handy to boot a dead PC, and I still prefer them to the hassle of burning a bootable CD-ROM, since I can easily copy that special driver off of it.
If you want to install a special driver for a RAID controller during the XP install process, you need to have the driver on floppy, IIRC. (If there's a workaround, let me know, because I pulled my hair out trying to find an old floppy with enough good sectors to hold that damned driver to get XP installed.)
Once you buy a HDTV, you really see the limitations of video on DVD.
DVD is a shitty stop-gap format. I predict BluRay or HD-DVD to overtake it quickly.
A BluRay or HD-DVD player should come down in parity with the price of a regular DVD player very quickly. Just like the price of a DVD player got down close to that of a CD player quite quickly. The tech hasn't changed that much.
It didn't take long at all for DVD to KO videotape. It seemed like I read about this new video format, and overnight - everyone has a DVD player.
Here's a small example of how the internet has changed farming:
In southern Ontario, where I'm from, a whole lot of ginseng farms started springing up all over. There's a growing demand for it in North America, and a huge demand in asia.
Typically, a farmer would harvest his crop, sell it all to a distributor for a fixed price, who would then take it from there. Everyone get's 10 cents a kilogram, or whatever.
Now, I happened to be friends with a farmer who switched to growing ginseng. And he told me what makes it so lucrative. The crop itself isn't worth a whole hell of a lot, and it's somewhat harder to grow. To just sell it bulk, it's not very attractive.
But, what he told me is, every harvest, he and whoever he can get, sit around picking through the ginseng roots looking for ones that "look like stuff".
If you find a root that looks like an animal in the Chinese zodiac, that little root can be worth HUGE ASS BUCKS to little chinese apothecarys.
What the internet does is connect him, the farmer, to the chinese guy who wants to buy a ginseng root imbued with the magical powers of the Rabbit.
He showed me a lumpy looking root which if you squinted, you could kind of see a pig in it. He told me he'd just sold it on ebay for $5,000. He told me of a friend got 20 grand for a big one that looked "like a dragon".
It's like finding a four leaf clover, except you can actually trade it to a leprechaun for a pot o' gold.
This is all on top of the regular profit for the crop, which would just barely keep the farm going year to year.
The internet really makes this type of thing possible. There's no way this could be done before.
Especially in an area as overcast and rainy as Washington state.
Even when you are connected, the latency is god-awful as all your packets go to space and back.
Then after two days of light web browsing and reading email, they decide arbitrarily that you've abused the system, and FAP you down to speeds much slower than dial-up.
I looked into satellite when I was land-locked on an island and had no other broadband options. I had a really hard time finding anyone with anything good to say about it (DirecPC at the time).
Don't know about the newer services, StarBand, etc. But I haven't heard any rave reviews on that front either.
Besides, if you wanted to game online, satellite wont work. 40 bucks a month to a gamer is nothing.
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What's the latency like on a mesh like this?
Satellite isn't that expensive, but the latency is awful, making it useless for online gaming, etc.
Also, what kind of usage policies are in place? I'd imagine since everyone has to "share", I'd eat up my share of the pie pretty quickly.
In a neighbourhood like mine, where Comcast has a bit of a struggle providing enough bandwidth on the cable to keep us all online, how well would a wireless mesh like this work?
In a 1000 square mile area where I live, I could easily see 1000 people online at once, dragging everyone down to sub-dialup speeds.
See, I have this co-worker who constantly fucks up his machines. He's supposed to be a programmer/analyst/tech support guy just like me (small company, you wear a lot of hats), but everytime something comes up, I have to handle it because his computer is broken.
"I can't build a working EXE, my Visual Studio is screwed up!" "I can't dial into that customer, because my modem isnt working" "I can't VPN in because my computer crashes when I fire up the Cisco client".
He's incompetent, but I'm dubious he's this incompetent. I traded him the machine in my office when I got a new one, everything worked perfectly. A week later, his VPN and Visual Studio are broken. I really dont have the time to keep rebuilding his machine for him. Of course, he claims he doesn't know how to reinstall Office or VStudio, etc..
I think he does it so he won't have to do actual work. I end up doing everything because he always has an excuse. When he's on site, his laptop is broken, so he has to phone in all the code changes he wants, I have to do it, cut an EXE and email it out. Of course, it's double bonus for him. Anything he fucks up on site, he can just blame me for, since I'm actually doing the work remotely.
It's pissing me off, and it makes our company look like a bunch of morons. My archetypal PHB thinks he's just the cats ass because he comes in "early" every morning (he shows up at 8:45 to drink coffee and read the paper, we open at 9. Sheesh).
Anyhow, this sounds like a decent product. I'm downloading the evaluation version now. I'll reinstall his machine one last time, ghost it, install this. Next time I hear "I can't dial in because my modem is screwed up", I'll reboot his box and it'll be fixed.
Nothing on that link tells you how the product works.
The closest I read was "Deep Freeze instantly protects and preserves original computer configurations" which reads to me that it's kind of like Ghost, except it keeps an image local on the HDD?
If so, I'd shy away from phrases like "Completely invulnerable to hacking".
XP's system restore feature gives you the same functionalities, if it's used properly (of course, it never is). I'm in the habit of making a save point before I do anything that could potentially bork my machine (testing some new driver tweak, etc), and have rolled back successfully on more than one occasion.
It'll be Star Wars Galaxies with "star wars" races replaced with "star trek" races.
They could have done what you suggested with Galaxies. Join the empire as a low level stormtrooper, rise through the ranks - kind of like an America's Army type of thing. Or be a crew member on a smugglers ship. Or become a bounty hunter, and get assignments from Jabba himself.
Nah, just another boring ass RPG game where you sit around levelling up all day. They forgot the MMO part, it seems.
Star Trek is all about exploitation and milking the last few bucks out of a dried out franchise. MMOGs are "hot", so there's a Star Trek MMOG.
Most Star Trek games have sucked ass, they've all been clones of popular titles with Star Trek characters. Descent Freespace, except you're in a Federation vessel, or Unreal with Klingons. I doubt this'll be different.
It's all onboard these days. There's absolutely no motivation for a regular user, hell even a power user, to run out and drop another 20-500 dollars on another sound card.
Audiophiles can go on and on about blah blah and sound floors and this and that. So long as the sound is coming from the little multimedia speakers on my desktop, spending more on the source is a waste of cash, IMO.
You don't hear a lot about PC sound, because there's not a lot to say. If you're an audiophile with expensive speakers and all kinds of funky I/O demands, that's one thing. But that's a niche market.
Creative is going to be feeling the hurt. There's a very small market for their stuff.. Audiophiles, and audiophiles don't seem to be impressed with Audigy.
What book? "A sound of thunder" is a cheesy 2 page short story where a guy goes back in time, steps on a butterfly, and rewrites all of history.
For a 2 pager, it's a good story. But sheeit, get a grip on it people, it's not the greatest story I've read by a long shot.
I'm surprised anyone thought it was worth a movie. It was barely worth the Simpsons spoof.
I have a feeling what happened was, someone wrote a script about going back in time to hunt dinosaurs, suits noticed the similarities in plots, and just bought the rights to the story rather than risk a copyright suit down the road.
I like Bradbury and all, but this just seems like a goofy short story to get worked up about.
No, the reason I know her name is because I grew up in Hamilton.
And is she not behind the recordable media levy as well? And no, that does not mean "Canada is OK with you copying CDs". It's socialism, making sure everyone feels the "pain" of the recording industry.
They just have different, yet equally stupid IMO, solutions to the same imaginary problems.
Hey, I know! Let's negotiate with Quebec on a new constitution that declares french people to be 10% awesomer than english ones!
No, I'm not. I'm comparing justifying a criminal act with the excuse that the victims can afford it.
I could have been more extreme with a "well, his wife is really fertile and in her prime childbearing years, so it doesn't really affect him if I smother his infant and make it into a baseball mitt!"
(oh, and WILLFUL INFRINGEMENT IS A *CRIMINAL* ACT. Legal advice from slashdot will get you in trouble.)
The RIAA and Apple are on the *same side*. Apple is the RIAAs best friend. They promise higher profits with lower overhead, just so long as that pesky competition to iTunes is crushed under the most severe of criminal penalties.
They both want it to be illegal to advertise P2P clients as a source for free entertainment. They both want Kazaa, morpheus, etc to dissappear. It hurts their respective business models.
The decision as to who is doing the "inducing" is up to them, and they can make it as arbitrarily as they want.
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Not "against" somebody else.
The lesser of two evils is still evil. If you don't believe in Kerry (I personally see him as another ivory tower asshole with no agenda besides "I'm not Bush"), then don't vote for him, no matter how much you hate Bush.
Don't buy into the bullshit that voting for a third party candidate is "helping Bush", or "throwing your vote away".
This is merely propoganda spread by both the two major parties, scared shitless that the American people just may be sick of both of them. When Ross Perot got himself into the televised debates, it terrified them. So they had their media buddies change the rules of whos allowed in a debate (to exclude all third parties).
Look at other contries around the world. "Third parties" can and do come to power when people are sick of the old guard. Canada used to be just Liberals and Conservatives. Then the New Democrats came along, then the Reform party. Both came out of nowhere to become true political forces to be reckoned with. The two big parties aren't so big anymore.
Hell, there have been independant and third party governors, congressman and senators. There's nothing preventing a third party president, except for the fact the public has been brainwashed into thinkin there's only two parties.
Vote your conscience. Vote for the man, not the party, and vote for the man you feel is best suited for the job. If that's Bush or Kerry
Voting for Kerry because you hate Bush (or vice versa) is just whoring your vote out.
The two party "flip a coin" joke of a democracy has to end.
I hate both, and will vote for neither. Imagine them seeing 25% or greater of the population with the balls not to vote for either of them. That sends a *strong* message.
The question is, should we bury it, or spritz it with Fabreeze and see how long we can milk it "Weekend at Bernie's" style.
the Slashdot editors represent a diverse spectrum of political ideologies
Yeah, everything from liberal to socialist!
So now there can be as many "Bush sucks" articles as there are "Windows sucks" articles.
And they're so fair and unbiased, I can't wait to see the Bush-as-borg icon.
Anyone else miss the old slashdot which was a decent spot to discuss tech?
I really don't care about the politics of a bunch of college kids. Oh well, a new section to block. Problem is, I bet 90% of front page stories are "politics".
Since HD will cost more, cheaper shows on standard-def DVDs will be around for a while
You seem to think that the industry is worried about resolutions and fidelity. They're more interested in the advanced DRM technologies in the new formats.
Once the new formats exist, I don't see Hollywood being all too eager to produce anything new on DVD.
The fact that they can charge more for higher definitions and more redundant features doesn't bother them either.
Like commentaries - hey now we have space to add commentary from everyone from the director to the caterer. In 13.1 dolby whole-lotta-speakers sound with THX-treme.
"I remember this scene, Brad Pitt ate all the rest of the green grapes, and then J-Lo stormed off the set and refused to come back until we got more. We managed to coax her out of her trailer with a couple plantaines and a stack of pancakes."
In theory, it could be a boot option, even on older machines. All it would take is a firmware upgrade.
In theory, that is.. In reality, I don't think anyone's working too hard on firmware for Socket 5 platforms these days.
Any CD burning apps with PAR-2 "built in"?
I'd love a simple backup-to-cd utility that automatically created parity files for me. Like a Nero plug-in or something.
Anyone know of such a thing?
5) All computers with issues you listed stop existing.
The "going the way of the horse" analogy is a good one. Horses are hardly extinct, or obsolete. They're very effective tools for police, both for crowd control and public relations. A horse can go places you can't get to in your Hummer H2.
There are niches that horses fill nicely, there are niches floppies fill nicely too. But just like we don't ride horses as a day-to-day means of transport, we don't use floppies day-to-day anymore either.
But there's still tons of CNC equipment, etc, that relies on floppies. Businesses won't be in a hurry to replace million dollar pieces of equipment just because the new version has WiFi VLAN MEGAFLOPS ORACLE INTEGRATED ULTRA-FIBER COMPATIBILITY.
In the PC world, the floppy is replacable.
In the rest of the world, it's not. There's tons of CNC equipment that reads floppies, tons of industrial control type stuff.
Hell, I have a SuperUFO unit (SNES cartridge backup unit) that uses floppies. So long as I still have it, I still have a use for a floppy drive.
They are still handy to boot a dead PC, and I still prefer them to the hassle of burning a bootable CD-ROM, since I can easily copy that special driver off of it.
If you want to install a special driver for a RAID controller during the XP install process, you need to have the driver on floppy, IIRC. (If there's a workaround, let me know, because I pulled my hair out trying to find an old floppy with enough good sectors to hold that damned driver to get XP installed.)
He's right, though.
Once you buy a HDTV, you really see the limitations of video on DVD.
DVD is a shitty stop-gap format. I predict BluRay or HD-DVD to overtake it quickly.
A BluRay or HD-DVD player should come down in parity with the price of a regular DVD player very quickly. Just like the price of a DVD player got down close to that of a CD player quite quickly. The tech hasn't changed that much.
It didn't take long at all for DVD to KO videotape. It seemed like I read about this new video format, and overnight - everyone has a DVD player.
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Here's a small example of how the internet has changed farming:
In southern Ontario, where I'm from, a whole lot of ginseng farms started springing up all over. There's a growing demand for it in North America, and a huge demand in asia.
Typically, a farmer would harvest his crop, sell it all to a distributor for a fixed price, who would then take it from there. Everyone get's 10 cents a kilogram, or whatever.
Now, I happened to be friends with a farmer who switched to growing ginseng. And he told me what makes it so lucrative. The crop itself isn't worth a whole hell of a lot, and it's somewhat harder to grow. To just sell it bulk, it's not very attractive.
But, what he told me is, every harvest, he and whoever he can get, sit around picking through the ginseng roots looking for ones that "look like stuff".
If you find a root that looks like an animal in the Chinese zodiac, that little root can be worth HUGE ASS BUCKS to little chinese apothecarys.
What the internet does is connect him, the farmer, to the chinese guy who wants to buy a ginseng root imbued with the magical powers of the Rabbit.
He showed me a lumpy looking root which if you squinted, you could kind of see a pig in it. He told me he'd just sold it on ebay for $5,000. He told me of a friend got 20 grand for a big one that looked "like a dragon".
It's like finding a four leaf clover, except you can actually trade it to a leprechaun for a pot o' gold.
This is all on top of the regular profit for the crop, which would just barely keep the farm going year to year.
The internet really makes this type of thing possible. There's no way this could be done before.
Because satellite service sucks ass.
Especially in an area as overcast and rainy as Washington state.
Even when you are connected, the latency is god-awful as all your packets go to space and back.
Then after two days of light web browsing and reading email, they decide arbitrarily that you've abused the system, and FAP you down to speeds much slower than dial-up.
I looked into satellite when I was land-locked on an island and had no other broadband options. I had a really hard time finding anyone with anything good to say about it (DirecPC at the time).
Don't know about the newer services, StarBand, etc. But I haven't heard any rave reviews on that front either.
Besides, if you wanted to game online, satellite wont work. 40 bucks a month to a gamer is nothing.
What's the latency like on a mesh like this?
Satellite isn't that expensive, but the latency is awful, making it useless for online gaming, etc.
Also, what kind of usage policies are in place? I'd imagine since everyone has to "share", I'd eat up my share of the pie pretty quickly.
In a neighbourhood like mine, where Comcast has a bit of a struggle providing enough bandwidth on the cable to keep us all online, how well would a wireless mesh like this work?
In a 1000 square mile area where I live, I could easily see 1000 people online at once, dragging everyone down to sub-dialup speeds.
Rhode Island: 1,045 square miles
Is saying "big as Rhode Island" supposed to be more impressive than 1000 square miles or so? 33.3 miles by 33.3 miles?
Pretty big, but not so thrilling if you use numbers rather than impressive sounding fake measurements. Especially over mostly flat land.
A "library of congress" isn't as big as you think it is, either. Impress me with measurements in terabytes and petabytes, not "library of congresses".
See, I have this co-worker who constantly fucks up his machines. He's supposed to be a programmer/analyst/tech support guy just like me (small company, you wear a lot of hats), but everytime something comes up, I have to handle it because his computer is broken.
"I can't build a working EXE, my Visual Studio is screwed up!" "I can't dial into that customer, because my modem isnt working" "I can't VPN in because my computer crashes when I fire up the Cisco client".
He's incompetent, but I'm dubious he's this incompetent. I traded him the machine in my office when I got a new one, everything worked perfectly. A week later, his VPN and Visual Studio are broken. I really dont have the time to keep rebuilding his machine for him. Of course, he claims he doesn't know how to reinstall Office or VStudio, etc..
I think he does it so he won't have to do actual work. I end up doing everything because he always has an excuse. When he's on site, his laptop is broken, so he has to phone in all the code changes he wants, I have to do it, cut an EXE and email it out. Of course, it's double bonus for him. Anything he fucks up on site, he can just blame me for, since I'm actually doing the work remotely.
It's pissing me off, and it makes our company look like a bunch of morons. My archetypal PHB thinks he's just the cats ass because he comes in "early" every morning (he shows up at 8:45 to drink coffee and read the paper, we open at 9. Sheesh).
Anyhow, this sounds like a decent product. I'm downloading the evaluation version now. I'll reinstall his machine one last time, ghost it, install this. Next time I hear "I can't dial in because my modem is screwed up", I'll reboot his box and it'll be fixed.
Nothing on that link tells you how the product works.
The closest I read was "Deep Freeze instantly protects and preserves original computer configurations" which reads to me that it's kind of like Ghost, except it keeps an image local on the HDD?
If so, I'd shy away from phrases like "Completely invulnerable to hacking".
XP's system restore feature gives you the same functionalities, if it's used properly (of course, it never is). I'm in the habit of making a save point before I do anything that could potentially bork my machine (testing some new driver tweak, etc), and have rolled back successfully on more than one occasion.
Linux you say?
Won't happen.
It'll be Star Wars Galaxies with "star wars" races replaced with "star trek" races.
They could have done what you suggested with Galaxies. Join the empire as a low level stormtrooper, rise through the ranks - kind of like an America's Army type of thing. Or be a crew member on a smugglers ship. Or become a bounty hunter, and get assignments from Jabba himself.
Nah, just another boring ass RPG game where you sit around levelling up all day. They forgot the MMO part, it seems.
Star Trek is all about exploitation and milking the last few bucks out of a dried out franchise. MMOGs are "hot", so there's a Star Trek MMOG.
Most Star Trek games have sucked ass, they've all been clones of popular titles with Star Trek characters. Descent Freespace, except you're in a Federation vessel, or Unreal with Klingons. I doubt this'll be different.
It's all onboard these days. There's absolutely no motivation for a regular user, hell even a power user, to run out and drop another 20-500 dollars on another sound card.
Audiophiles can go on and on about blah blah and sound floors and this and that. So long as the sound is coming from the little multimedia speakers on my desktop, spending more on the source is a waste of cash, IMO.
You don't hear a lot about PC sound, because there's not a lot to say. If you're an audiophile with expensive speakers and all kinds of funky I/O demands, that's one thing. But that's a niche market.
Creative is going to be feeling the hurt. There's a very small market for their stuff.. Audiophiles, and audiophiles don't seem to be impressed with Audigy.
What book? "A sound of thunder" is a cheesy 2 page short story where a guy goes back in time, steps on a butterfly, and rewrites all of history.
For a 2 pager, it's a good story. But sheeit, get a grip on it people, it's not the greatest story I've read by a long shot.
I'm surprised anyone thought it was worth a movie. It was barely worth the Simpsons spoof.
I have a feeling what happened was, someone wrote a script about going back in time to hunt dinosaurs, suits noticed the similarities in plots, and just bought the rights to the story rather than risk a copyright suit down the road.
I like Bradbury and all, but this just seems like a goofy short story to get worked up about.
No, the reason I know her name is because I grew up in Hamilton.
And is she not behind the recordable media levy as well? And no, that does not mean "Canada is OK with you copying CDs". It's socialism, making sure everyone feels the "pain" of the recording industry.
They just have different, yet equally stupid IMO, solutions to the same imaginary problems.
Hey, I know! Let's negotiate with Quebec on a new constitution that declares french people to be 10% awesomer than english ones!
That's stupid, databases are about storage and orginization, not transportation.
Dunno, how could Apple possibly benefit from the elimination of P2P networks.
I mean, the last thing they'd ever want is for people to be forced to pay them $1 each for lower-quality DRM encumbered songs.
No, I'm not. I'm comparing justifying a criminal act with the excuse that the victims can afford it.
I could have been more extreme with a "well, his wife is really fertile and in her prime childbearing years, so it doesn't really affect him if I smother his infant and make it into a baseball mitt!"
(oh, and WILLFUL INFRINGEMENT IS A *CRIMINAL* ACT. Legal advice from slashdot will get you in trouble.)
The RIAA and Apple are on the *same side*. Apple is the RIAAs best friend. They promise higher profits with lower overhead, just so long as that pesky competition to iTunes is crushed under the most severe of criminal penalties.
They both want it to be illegal to advertise P2P clients as a source for free entertainment. They both want Kazaa, morpheus, etc to dissappear. It hurts their respective business models.
The decision as to who is doing the "inducing" is up to them, and they can make it as arbitrarily as they want.