Re:Given RMS's GNU/Everything stance...
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1) It is not GNU/Everything. GNU/Linux is the only item with which the issue has come up. RMS's position (that I happen to agree with) is that the Linux kernel is merely the final piece of the GNU OS (since HURD is not done), as as such, the OS is a GNU/Linux hybrid system.
2) RMS did not try to enforce this. He merely suggested it. He will not sue anybody for calling their OS just "Linux." BSD authors, on the other hand, could indeed sue if you left their name out of the credits.
Re:FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, MicrosoftBSD...
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Hint: It already does not matter to many people that linux won't run office, quicktime, etc.
Hint: It also does matter to many people that they can't view [insert movie trailer here] because Linux doesn't support the codec.
It shouldn't be too suprising that there are many professions working for Micros~1. Linux users have to thank Bill and his dilegent programmers for requiring everybody have a 500MHz PIII with 128MB RAM and 10+GB hard drives just to run a word processor. (I remember that WordPerfect 5.X ran fine on an 4MHz 8086 with 640KB RAM.)
That's not just a Microsoft problem. Linux can't do word processing on a 4MHz 8086 with 640KB RAM either. Hell, Linux can't even boot with only 640KB RAM.
I agree with many of the ideals of the Free Software movement. I'm just mentioning that if all the claims of open-source software being superior are true, then there should be no need to choose it based on philosophy, since it will be the technically better piece of software.
What advantages does Linux have over DR-DOS for embedded systems? Both support multitasking and TCP/IP networking, and DR-DOS makes Linux look positively bloated. You can also get the source code to DR-DOS.
Exactly. No matter how much CmdrTaco begs and screams, flames will not stop. I run some little fan website for a music group, and even I get flames along the lines of "your sight sux d00d, u need to use fraimes."
I've been reading this thread and have been pretty disgusted with all the Be zealots badmouthing Open Source.
Well, just to make sure you don't call me a Be zealot, let me mention that I don't use BeOS.
Sure, Be is better than Windoze...like that's saying a lot.
"Linux is better than Windows" is a reason for switching to Linux that I hear often. When another OS uses it, how is it suddenly invalid?
But if they wanted to impress me with a robust operating system they could have included multi-user support and a tcp/ip stack which is a little more functionality and speed. Basically Be just strikes me as a wanna-be UNIX that sold out and is now pandering to some make-believe "media" nonsense.
It's not intended to be a multi-user OS. It's a single-user OS with an emphasis on multimedia. At least it supports bash.
What all the Be zealots (and a lot of the Linux zealots too) have to realize is that no operating system is going to be perfect...you have to look at everything objectively and evaluate them realistically.
Of course it's not perfect. Nobody's suggested you use BeOS to run your server. Even be.com doesn't run on BeOS. It's not a server OS.
1. So far I've found Be users to be the most obnoxious out of any group.
Hang around slashdot a bit and you'll find Linux users to be equally obnoxious.
2. Open Source is important, even if you've never personally hacked the kernel code.
Perhaps, but I'll judge on the final quality of the product. If Open Source is indeed better, than the final product should be superior, so there should be no need to choose it based on some sort of philosophy. If, on the other hand, BeOS ends up being better for my purposes, I'll use it instead.
You say that RMS is a communist. Do you have evidence for this? I don't recall him stating this himself. If he were indeed communist, the GPL would not allow businesses to sell GPL'd code. It does.
I thought it was pretty accurate. Sure, there were some technical errors (the one I noticed was using a mid-80s Apple II screen at an early demo of the computer). However, the personalities were mostly accurate. They accurately portrayed Wozniak as the real brains behind Apple, and the one that came up with the Apple I and Apple II. They also correctly portrayed Jobs as the guy that made Apple lose its great market position by insisting on killing the Apple II line (leading to the resignation of Wozniak), in favor of the Lisa, Apple///, and Macintosh (of which only the Mac has done decently).
It also did a good job showing Gates as always being two steps behind everything.
Why is this at -1? Sure, the spelling is not exceedingly accurate, but it's certainly not redundant, as whoever moderated it claimed. It asks when we can see these antennas in common electrical gadgets, and whether they will cause prices to go up. These seem like legitimate queries to me, and are not redundant since this is the first time they have been asked in this article's comments section.
Well, yeah, old games rock (I'm personally a fan of Doom2 and the original Master of Orion), but to sell an OS, you need new games as well. You're not going to get people to switch by telling them "well, no, we don't have Unreal or Alpha Centauri or Need For Speed 4, but we do have Quake 3 and a nice selection of old games."
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1) It is not GNU/Everything. GNU/Linux is the only item with which the issue has come up. RMS's position (that I happen to agree with) is that the Linux kernel is merely the final piece of the GNU OS (since HURD is not done), as as such, the OS is a GNU/Linux hybrid system.
2) RMS did not try to enforce this. He merely suggested it. He will not sue anybody for calling their OS just "Linux." BSD authors, on the other hand, could indeed sue if you left their name out of the credits.
Hint: It already does not matter to many people that linux won't run office, quicktime, etc.
Hint: It also does matter to many people that they can't view [insert movie trailer here] because Linux doesn't support the codec.
I don't see why slashdot won't get an editor. I'm sure there are plenty of people with decent spelling and grammar who'd do it for free.
Hmm, Altavista is making money, while the rest of Compaq is losing money (they project a loss of $0.15 per share this quarter). Odd.
Their burning a whole in they're mattress. What part of that don't yew understand? Its quiet simple after awl.
Ok, now try putting WordPerfect on it. Didn't think so.
I'd have to agree, Woz rocks. It seems he was into Open Hardware way back in the 70s, giving out free schematics =)
Wow, this reminds me of some "Linux r00lz m1cr0$0ft sux0rz d00d" posts I've seen lately, but from the other side. Perhaps not all idiots use Linux.
It shouldn't be too suprising that there are many professions working for Micros~1. Linux users have to thank Bill and his dilegent programmers for requiring everybody have a 500MHz PIII with 128MB RAM and 10+GB hard drives just to run a word processor. (I remember that WordPerfect 5.X ran fine on an 4MHz 8086 with 640KB RAM.)
That's not just a Microsoft problem. Linux can't do word processing on a 4MHz 8086 with 640KB RAM either. Hell, Linux can't even boot with only 640KB RAM.
"I could make a fortune distributing a good Linux-compatible spell checker."
-Jack Bryar
Of course. If it wasn't for ESR, we wouldn't know that Bill Gates is a Nazi either.
I agree with many of the ideals of the Free Software movement. I'm just mentioning that if all the claims of open-source software being superior are true, then there should be no need to choose it based on philosophy, since it will be the technically better piece of software.
Why would you port the Linux version of CivCTP to Win32 when it was already out for Win32 last year?
What advantages does Linux have over DR-DOS for embedded systems? Both support multitasking and TCP/IP networking, and DR-DOS makes Linux look positively bloated. You can also get the source code to DR-DOS.
Basically if you want the general public to read your message you have to post something worth reading.
No, you just have to post something that the moderators think is worth reading.
Exactly. No matter how much CmdrTaco begs and screams, flames will not stop. I run some little fan website for a music group, and even I get flames along the lines of "your sight sux d00d, u need to use fraimes."
I've been reading this thread and have been pretty disgusted with all the Be zealots badmouthing Open Source.
Well, just to make sure you don't call me a Be zealot, let me mention that I don't use BeOS.
Sure, Be is better than Windoze...like that's saying a lot.
"Linux is better than Windows" is a reason for switching to Linux that I hear often. When another OS uses it, how is it suddenly invalid?
But if they wanted to impress me with a robust operating system they could have included multi-user support and a tcp/ip stack which is a little more functionality and speed. Basically Be just strikes me as a wanna-be UNIX that sold out and is now pandering to some make-believe "media" nonsense.
It's not intended to be a multi-user OS. It's a single-user OS with an emphasis on multimedia. At least it supports bash.
What all the Be zealots (and a lot of the Linux zealots too) have to realize is that no operating system is going to be perfect...you have to look at everything objectively and evaluate them realistically.
Of course it's not perfect. Nobody's suggested you use BeOS to run your server. Even be.com doesn't run on BeOS. It's not a server OS.
1. So far I've found Be users to be the most obnoxious out of any group.
Hang around slashdot a bit and you'll find Linux users to be equally obnoxious.
2. Open Source is important, even if you've never personally hacked the kernel code.
Perhaps, but I'll judge on the final quality of the product. If Open Source is indeed better, than the final product should be superior, so there should be no need to choose it based on some sort of philosophy. If, on the other hand, BeOS ends up being better for my purposes, I'll use it instead.
I'm not sure, but I bet the two totals combined will be less than how many they sold for Windows.
Civ:CTP is a Windows app being ported. The only Linux app I see being ported is the GIMP.
You say that RMS is a communist. Do you have evidence for this? I don't recall him stating this himself. If he were indeed communist, the GPL would not allow businesses to sell GPL'd code. It does.
RMS is not the problem. RMS is on of the major creators of the current Free Software movement. Without him, all your IPOs and ESRs would not exist.
1) He's writing about Win2000, which is not based on DOS, not win95, which is.
2) Linux did not write the entire thing from scratch. He adapted Minix, which was itself a mini-copy of AT&T's UNIX.
I thought it was pretty accurate. Sure, there were some technical errors (the one I noticed was using a mid-80s Apple II screen at an early demo of the computer). However, the personalities were mostly accurate. They accurately portrayed Wozniak as the real brains behind Apple, and the one that came up with the Apple I and Apple II. They also correctly portrayed Jobs as the guy that made Apple lose its great market position by insisting on killing the Apple II line (leading to the resignation of Wozniak), in favor of the Lisa, Apple ///, and Macintosh (of which only the Mac has done decently).
It also did a good job showing Gates as always being two steps behind everything.
Why is this at -1? Sure, the spelling is not exceedingly accurate, but it's certainly not redundant, as whoever moderated it claimed. It asks when we can see these antennas in common electrical gadgets, and whether they will cause prices to go up. These seem like legitimate queries to me, and are not redundant since this is the first time they have been asked in this article's comments section.
Well, yeah, old games rock (I'm personally a fan of Doom2 and the original Master of Orion), but to sell an OS, you need new games as well. You're not going to get people to switch by telling them "well, no, we don't have Unreal or Alpha Centauri or Need For Speed 4, but we do have Quake 3 and a nice selection of old games."