I don't know if thats true or not, but astronauts are fully aware of the risks they're taking when they sign up. People who live within a few miles of a high risk industrial or nuclear plant didn't sign up for anything.
Well thats ok then. as long as its only CONTROLLED by it. Perhaps we should put Windows in avionic packages then, after all, it will only CONTROL the flaps and engines. Would could possibly go wrong?
... the emergence of this type of worm or the fact that a consumer OS as security poor as Windows is being used in nuclear plants. And no, I don't think Linux or OS/X would be much of an improvement. OpenBSD maybe. But surely for operations such as this where a fault really could lead to numerous people dying in unpleasent ways a tested, secure real time OS from somewhere like Green Hills would be used? OK , in Iran I realise this wouldn't be possible but Windows isn't just used over there in important industrial applications.
You wouldn't want Windows (or Linux or OS/X) flying your Airbus so why the hell do people think its ok to run indistrial sites with it??
We're not talking about writing Haskell expressions FFS. We're talking about implementing the same functionality in C with not much extra work for someone who's proficient in the language. eg list processing, pattern matching etc etc.
Now go away , you're quite obviously too stupid to argue with.
I didn't reply to it because its nonsense. You would not need to reimplement a haskell interpreter to process haskell style expression any more than you need to implement an SQL interpreter in C if you wanted to write a C program to manage a bespoke database system.
Actually it simply a case of C (and C++) being a very powerful language. For people who know how to use them properly its not often you need to use anything else to do complex data processing.
"How many times have you really used this fall through feature?"
All the time actually. Almost every switch I write has multiple cases which all require the same code executed (or not). If you've never come across this scenario then all I can think is you must just do toy coding.
"there's no way any normal person can write easily in C what is possible in Haskell."
Oh rubbish. Do you think haskell is magic or perhaps it uses special CPU opcodes no other language knows about? Languages like Haskell just make certain concepts and constructs quicker to write, not possible to write. And since a lot of haskell interpreters are written in C ergo whatever you can do in Haskell you can do in C.
Anyone who works in a team of less than about 20 people already knows what the other team members are doing generally , and they'll know specifically if they work with them on a day to day basis. You don't need a meeting every day to find this information out.
"This is less time to spend than if each one were asking another one by one."
Or you could just ask the team in one go. I don't know where you work but where I work I sit within 20 foot of my entire team.
...not coders. Any coder who needs one of these silly methodology to help them work properly is probably in the wrong career. In the time I've spend in stand-ups and other waste of time situations like that - that only exist so project managers can look like they're doing something when the directors come calling - I could have fixed half a dozen bugs.
And the idiotic names don't help as well. "Extreme" programming? Give a frigging break. Extreme programming would be trying to fix the code to a nuclear power station when you've got 2 minutes before it goes critical, not just making frequent code releases for customer review. Agile? Whats that, programming while holding onto a rope upside down and typing with one hand? Scrum? Are all the coders expected to line up and push against each other out in a field?
FFS , talk about making the profession look like a load of wannabe's who don't actually do anything macho but like to pretend they do by giving bog standard office work names from the 101-kool-adjectives book.
Speaking as someone who's quite happy using vi to do all my coding at home and work I have to say that if the editor is the bottleneck between you and getting a program out perhaps you should consider another career? The hard part should be the coding logic and/or maths, not getting the code text into the machine.
"why, oh tell me why, when I write a simple - trivial - bit of Java code, do I need to write funtions for getters and setters all over the place"
Its about time that a lot of people on slashdot realised that money doesn't grow on trees and what they enjoy on the net eventually has to be paid for by someone. If putting up with a short advert means I can continue to enjoy a lot of free sites then thats fine by me and I suspect a lot of other people.
On TV you see lots of computer sims but none look realistic to me. Would there be a light covering the sky so bright you couldn't see it or would it traverse the atmosphere so quick it wouldn't have time to heat up and you really would see this huge space rock impact. And what would the explosion look like? WOuld it be a fireball initially or would you simply see billions of tons or rock being launched into orbit?
Actually it was that high level of CO2 that caused the snowball to melt and a period of vicious greenhouse warming to ensue. But lets not let facts get in the way of your little rant.
"Climate sensitivity to CO2 is on the order of a few tenths of a degree"
Whats that supposed to mean? A few tenths of a degree for what increase in CO2? If there was no CO2 in our atmosphere the average temperature of the earth would be below 0C so why do you think doubling the current amount would have so little effect?
"You are hypothesising that overwhelming positive feedbacks will kick in at some point and the temperature will "run away""
No one has said anything about a runaway effect. If that was going to happen it would have happened after a large meteorite impact when most of the worlds biomass went up in flames. But that doesn't mean there can't be a significant rise in temperature that will severely effect the ecosystem - and hence us - as we know.
"Given that increased temperatures on Earth are associated with increased biodiversity,"
Cite?
I think you'll find the most biologically diverse habitats are in the temperate zones, not , for example in the sahara. Same goes for the seas.
"Population and economic prosperity are somewhat correlated (the more wealthy the population, the fewer children couples have)"
Actually its more to do with education rather than prosperity.
"I don't think you'll be able to do that by replacing coal or gas fired power stations with a fucking windmill."
No , but you could replace them with nuclear.
"Where is this relentless warming? There's been no statistically significant warming since 1995"
Really? Funny then how 1998 is considered to be the hottest year on record by most climate researchers and its looking like 2010 may beat it. I suggest you learn to use google and educate yourself.
Its a law of physics that CO2 is an infrared absorber - is someone questioning that?
Its a fact that CO2 levels are rising in our atmosphere - is someone questioning that?
Its a fact that most of that rise is due to man - is someone questioning that?
No?
So what are they questioning then and who is doing it? I mean who of significance , not the kind of pig ignorant arts graduates who couldn't tell you what CO2 is composed of or its physical properties if their lives depended on it.
"your strong military may be a threat to others and therefore you may be more likely to be attacked, not less."
Cite?
"To my mind even if the case is made that there is going to be warming, the economic "cure" is far, far, worse than the illness (cost of adaptation)."
For who? I'm sure all the creatures in the habitats that will be destroyed including in the sea are really concerned about the economics of trying to prevent it.
To hell with the short term economic effects. Its about time our species -people like you - started thinking long term. Global warming won't suddenly stop at a few degrees warmer - it will continue relentlessly until we change our ways.
Well for a start mixing metaphors doesn't mean just using 2 in the same sentence and secondly if you think living your life on a social networking site is "frollicking in the sun" then I'd suggest you get out more my friend.
... that the bleating masses who so readily rushed to put their entire lives and details on social networking sites despite all the warnings are now running around shouting at all the chickens that are coming home to roost?
For the rest of us with some common sense this is just hilarious.
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Yes, but if the airport luggage belt or information screens break down its not going to have 400 people screaming as they plummet from 30,000 feet.
I don't know if thats true or not, but astronauts are fully aware of the risks they're taking when they sign up. People who live within a few miles of a high risk industrial or nuclear plant didn't sign up for anything.
Well thats ok then. as long as its only CONTROLLED by it. Perhaps we should put Windows in avionic packages then, after all, it will only CONTROL the flaps and engines. Would could possibly go wrong?
... the emergence of this type of worm or the fact that a consumer OS as security poor as Windows is being used in nuclear plants. And no, I don't think Linux or OS/X would be much of an improvement. OpenBSD maybe. But surely for operations such as this where a fault really could lead to numerous people dying in unpleasent ways a tested, secure real time OS from somewhere like Green Hills would be used? OK , in Iran I realise this wouldn't be possible but Windows isn't just used over there in important industrial applications.
You wouldn't want Windows (or Linux or OS/X) flying your Airbus so why the hell do people think its ok to run indistrial sites with it??
We're not talking about writing Haskell expressions FFS. We're talking about implementing the same functionality in C with not much extra work for someone who's proficient in the language. eg list processing, pattern matching etc etc.
Now go away , you're quite obviously too stupid to argue with.
Oh for gods sake - you don't need to to interpret SQL expressions to query a database you fucking moron - you can do it direct.
Got it yet??
I didn't reply to it because its nonsense. You would not need to reimplement a haskell interpreter to process haskell style expression any more than you need to implement an SQL interpreter in C if you wanted to write a C program to manage a bespoke database system.
Actually it simply a case of C (and C++) being a very powerful language. For people who know how to use them properly its not often you need to use anything else to do complex data processing.
"How many times have you really used this fall through feature?"
All the time actually. Almost every switch I write has multiple cases which all require the same code executed (or not). If you've never come across this scenario then all I can think is you must just do toy coding.
"there's no way any normal person can write easily in C what is possible in Haskell."
Oh rubbish. Do you think haskell is magic or perhaps it uses special CPU opcodes no other language knows about? Languages like Haskell just make certain concepts and constructs quicker to write, not possible to write. And since a lot of haskell interpreters are written in C ergo whatever you can do in Haskell you can do in C.
Stephen Rago updated it about 5 years back. I assume he will again when it needs it if they ask him.
Stevens.
Sorry , but no other book comes close to Advanced Programming in the Unix Enviroment.
Anyone who works in a team of less than about 20 people already knows what the other team members are doing generally , and they'll know specifically if they work with them on a day to day basis. You don't need a meeting every day to find this information out.
"This is less time to spend than if each one were asking another one by one."
Or you could just ask the team in one go. I don't know where you work but where I work I sit within 20 foot of my entire team.
...not coders. Any coder who needs one of these silly methodology to help them work properly is probably in the wrong career.
In the time I've spend in stand-ups and other waste of time situations like that - that only exist so project managers can look like
they're doing something when the directors come calling - I could have fixed half a dozen bugs.
And the idiotic names don't help as well. "Extreme" programming? Give a frigging break. Extreme programming would be trying
to fix the code to a nuclear power station when you've got 2 minutes before it goes critical, not just making frequent code
releases for customer review. Agile? Whats that, programming while holding onto a rope upside down and typing with one
hand? Scrum? Are all the coders expected to line up and push against each other out in a field?
FFS , talk about making the profession look like a load of wannabe's who don't actually do anything macho but like to
pretend they do by giving bog standard office work names from the 101-kool-adjectives book.
Give it a rest with the student anti capitalist politics. You sound like a refugee from the 1980s.
Speaking as someone who's quite happy using vi to do all my coding at home and work I have to say that if the editor is the bottleneck between you and getting a program out perhaps you should consider another career? The hard part should be the coding logic and/or maths, not getting the code text into the machine.
"why, oh tell me why, when I write a simple - trivial - bit of Java code, do I need to write funtions for getters and setters all over the place"
You don't. Just get or set the variable directly.
Its about time that a lot of people on slashdot realised that money doesn't grow on trees and what they enjoy on the net eventually has to be paid for by someone. If putting up with a short advert means I can continue to enjoy a lot of free sites then thats fine by me and I suspect a lot of other people.
On TV you see lots of computer sims but none look realistic to me. Would there be a light covering the sky so bright you couldn't see it or would it traverse the atmosphere so quick it wouldn't have time to heat up and you really would see this huge space rock impact. And what would the explosion look like? WOuld it be a fireball initially or would you simply see billions of tons or rock being launched into orbit?
Actually it was that high level of CO2 that caused the snowball to melt and a period of vicious greenhouse warming to ensue. But lets not let facts get in the way of your little rant.
"Climate sensitivity to CO2 is on the order of a few tenths of a degree"
Whats that supposed to mean? A few tenths of a degree for what increase in CO2? If there was no CO2 in our atmosphere the average temperature of the earth would be below 0C so why do you think doubling the current amount would have so little effect?
"You are hypothesising that overwhelming positive feedbacks will kick in at some point and the temperature will "run away""
No one has said anything about a runaway effect. If that was going to happen it would have happened after a large meteorite impact when most of the worlds biomass went up in flames. But that doesn't mean there can't be a significant rise in temperature that will severely effect the ecosystem - and hence us - as we know.
"Given that increased temperatures on Earth are associated with increased biodiversity,"
Cite?
I think you'll find the most biologically diverse habitats are in the temperate zones, not , for example in the sahara. Same goes for the seas.
"Population and economic prosperity are somewhat correlated (the more wealthy the population, the fewer children couples have)"
Actually its more to do with education rather than prosperity.
"I don't think you'll be able to do that by replacing coal or gas fired power stations with a fucking windmill."
No , but you could replace them with nuclear.
"Where is this relentless warming? There's been no statistically significant warming since 1995"
Really? Funny then how 1998 is considered to be the hottest year on record by most climate researchers and its looking like 2010 may beat it. I suggest you learn to use google and educate yourself.
Its a law of physics that CO2 is an infrared absorber - is someone questioning that?
Its a fact that CO2 levels are rising in our atmosphere - is someone questioning that?
Its a fact that most of that rise is due to man - is someone questioning that?
No?
So what are they questioning then and who is doing it? I mean who of significance , not the kind of pig ignorant
arts graduates who couldn't tell you what CO2 is composed of or its physical properties if their lives depended on it.
"your strong military may be a threat to others and therefore you may be more likely to be attacked, not less."
Cite?
"To my mind even if the case is made that there is going to be warming, the economic "cure" is far, far, worse than the illness (cost of adaptation)."
For who? I'm sure all the creatures in the habitats that will be destroyed including in the sea are really concerned about the economics of trying to prevent it.
To hell with the short term economic effects. Its about time our species -people like you - started thinking long term. Global warming won't suddenly stop at a few degrees warmer - it will continue relentlessly until we change our ways.
Well for a start mixing metaphors doesn't mean just using 2 in the same sentence and secondly if you think living your life on a social networking site is "frollicking in the sun" then I'd suggest you get out more my friend.
... that the bleating masses who so readily rushed to put their entire lives and details on social networking sites despite all the warnings are now running around shouting at all the chickens that are coming home to roost?
For the rest of us with some common sense this is just hilarious.