"We're guaranteeing that we will not have enough energy to sustain our civilization"
Whose civilisation? The American Dream or just 21st civilisation in general? If you mean the former then maybe you're right. If its the latter then I would kindly suggest you go and by yourself an atlas because beyond the borders of the USA it isn't "here be dragons" but a number of countries that have the capability of manned spaceflight (russia and china) and a few that might very soon (India & Japan). Stop assuming that the fate of the world rests on the shoulders of the US. It doesn't.
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One reply: Dox matrix. The printer system has to deal with ALL printers and dox matrix and other simple "dumb" printers are used in LOTS of places still that have to do logging or simple continuous data dumping. I see no reason for these to be made complex just to keep people like you happy at an API level.
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"so it needs to comunicate errors back."
Which bit of "as far as graphics goes" didn't you understand? I assume english is your first language?
"Did you know that you can write ray-tracers in PostScript? "
No shit! And you ever chucked postscript code at a dot matrix and seen what comes out? Printers are not just fancy laser jobs. I'm talking about ALL printers. Or are you saying that all logging printers must now have some complex CPU instead of the simple 8 bit job and TTL they get away with at the moment and everyone has to pay more just to make your life a bit easier?
"Simple and practical ideas always perplex dingbat minds."
As you demonstrate so well.
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"I'm still unclear about why you think it would be a good idea to have those different interfaces, BTW"
Because a screen requires constant information flowing to it which requires a 2 way on-going protocol. Printers are fire and forget, they have no need to be 2 way. And why would you want to build loads of graphics functions into a printer when you can just send it a simple bitmap that you rendered on the computer?
"some two-bit punk thought it would be nice to have utterly different interfaces."
I think those "punks" were a bit more clued up than you.
"How about your qualifications? "
I've written 3 freeware games and a number of realtime simulations in 2 & 3D. To be childish for a second I think that beats some pissy "presentation software". Whats that, fucking bargraphs and the like? BFD.
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The X protocol is very much 2 way. It relies on you creating windows and graphics contexts and using those handles to communicate with the server when you request an action. HOw to you square that with a printer which as far as graphics goes is very much a passive device and just spits out what it gets fed? Would you suggest implementing some sort of server on it and you then have a long winded communication with it to draw something rather than just chucking a large postscript file at it? Sorry , seems crazy to me.
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Theres no "may" have animation about it. When was the last time your saw a computer screen that never changed?
"Why does it have to be different from what we use for the screen?"
Double buffering, real time shading, lighting & caustics, textures, Z buffering, bump mapping, motion blur, flare, scanline rendering etc etc etc
You ever done any graphics beyond cut-n-pasting a picture into word?
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Thats fine for simple line drawing. What however if you want double buffering such as X windows supports , or even stuff like XORing while drawing the line? Or would you suggest that everytime someone moves a window a few centimeters the ENTIRE screen definition in postscript gets resent to the graphics drawing device? Or what about stuff like OpenGL? YOu want to implement texture mapping, shadowing, lighting etc in postscript? Could you pick an uglier language to do it in?
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Sun
HP
SGI
IBM
You know , small little companies like that who all write their own X servers for their versions of UNIX.
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"Does that count as a major redesign?"
No. I'm not interested Yet Another Open Source Groups pet project , I want ALL parties who use and/or develop X to sit down and agree on a COMMON standard that comes shipped AS THE DEFAULT on all unix systems, not an optional alternative you download of some website no one has heard of.
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"The Extensions mechanism provides the X11 protocol with extrodinary forwards compatibility"
Yes it does , but at some point its time to say that "this functionality would be better served being a core part of the system". Eg transparency.
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Rubbish. Printers are print once then forget, whereas screens can consist of lots of constantly moving graphics. They're entirely different enviroments and the only place where your argument would be valid is in publishing situations where the screen has to match the printer output exactly and moving graphics are irrelevant.
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Its not a different display device , its a batch hard copy device. If you don't believe print something out then try to get the printer to update it.
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Please explain how the printer relates to the X windows system. I'm all ears...
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Its time a load of heads sat down and decided on the features that are required in the next MAJOR release of the X windows system/protocol. None of this piecemeal "we'll add it in as an extension" rubbish thats been happening for the last 10 years as this is becoming unmanageable; "My server has the dbe extension but not open-gl, your server has shapes but not etc etc etc." Just put ALL modern graphics requirements in the base protocol and write new extensions for Xlib and work from there.
Theres a lot of naive talk about some nirvana of cheap or free unlimited calls over the internet with no rental charges and 99.9999% uptime just around the corner. Great , but how about a reality check first.
1) The internet is nothing more than a load of copper cable , optic fibres , co-ax, microwave & satellite transmitters.
2) All infrastructure has to be maintained & upgraded. So if you with your 0.1p 5 hour call to timbuktu isn't paying for it then who is? Or will we have the same situation as the US power companies where prices went so low they didn't update anything with the problems consequent now?
Its time we all moved out of this juvenile mindset that we can have everything free cos mummy & dayy will pay for it. When you're an adult someone has to foot the bill and if its not you then it could be me through taxes or suchlike.
Sorry , but you can't have the whole planet in winter. If its winter in one hemisphere its summer in another and AFAIK the rovers are both near the equator anyway (just on opposite sides of the planet). Can anyone explain what they're talking about?
Its a damn site more than 4 times , I forget the exact figure but its something like hundreds of times more.
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"Anyway linux isn't anymore secure or insecure then windows."
Not strictly true. A normal user in unix/linux can't totally screw up the system (unless the admins have deliberatly reset all the privs) whereas in windows they can in all sorts of ways: eg deleting various system files such as explorer.exe
Umm , if that theoretical calculation is correct then a human body would block phone signals dead. Obviously they don't so that 3mm calculation is a load of crap.
As with a lot of things in the IT world its nothing to do with whether people use or want them or not , its to do with the manufacturers wanting to save money not including them and the IT press only wanting to talk about the latest "kool kit". Floppies cost money and arn't cutting edge so as far as the above 2 groups are concerned you can go hang. I agree though , they're damn useful.
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"We're guaranteeing that we will not have enough energy to sustain our civilization"
Whose civilisation? The American Dream or just 21st civilisation in general? If you mean the former then maybe you're right. If its the latter then I would kindly suggest you go and by yourself an atlas because beyond the borders of the USA it isn't "here be dragons" but a number of countries that have the capability of manned spaceflight (russia and china) and a few that might very soon (India & Japan). Stop assuming that the fate of the world rests on the shoulders of the US. It doesn't.
One reply: Dox matrix. The printer system has to deal with ALL printers and dox matrix and other simple "dumb" printers are used in LOTS of places still that have to do logging or simple continuous data dumping. I see no reason for these to be made complex just to keep people like you happy at an API level.
"so it needs to comunicate errors back."
Which bit of "as far as graphics goes" didn't you understand? I assume english is your first language?
"Did you know that you can write ray-tracers in PostScript? "
No shit! And you ever chucked postscript code at a dot matrix and seen what comes out? Printers are not just fancy laser jobs. I'm talking about ALL printers. Or are you saying that all logging printers must now have some complex CPU instead of the simple 8 bit job and TTL they get away with at the moment and everyone has to pay more just to make your life a bit easier?
"Simple and practical ideas always perplex dingbat minds."
As you demonstrate so well.
"I'm still unclear about why you think it would be a good idea to have those different interfaces, BTW"
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Because a screen requires constant information flowing to it which requires a 2 way on-going protocol. Printers are fire and forget, they have no need to be 2 way. And why would you want to build loads of graphics functions into a printer when you can just send it a simple bitmap that you rendered on the computer?
"some two-bit punk thought it would be nice to have utterly different interfaces."
I think those "punks" were a bit more clued up than you.
"How about your qualifications? "
I've written 3 freeware games and a number of realtime simulations in 2 & 3D. To be childish for a second I think that beats some pissy "presentation software". Whats that
fucking bargraphs and the like? BFD.
The X protocol is very much 2 way. It relies on you creating windows and graphics contexts and using those handles to communicate with the server when you request an action. HOw to you square that with a printer which as far as graphics goes is very much a passive device and just spits out what it gets fed? Would you suggest implementing some sort of server on it and you then have a long winded communication with it to draw something rather than just chucking a large postscript file at it? Sorry , seems crazy to me.
Theres no "may" have animation about it. When was the last time your saw a computer screen that never changed?
"Why does it have to be different from what we use for the screen?"
Double buffering, real time shading, lighting & caustics, textures, Z buffering, bump mapping, motion blur, flare, scanline rendering etc etc etc
You ever done any graphics beyond cut-n-pasting a picture into word?
Thats fine for simple line drawing. What however if you want double buffering such as X windows supports , or even stuff like XORing while drawing the line? Or would you suggest that everytime someone moves a window a few centimeters the ENTIRE screen definition in postscript gets resent to the graphics drawing device? Or what about stuff like OpenGL? YOu want to implement texture mapping, shadowing, lighting etc in postscript? Could you pick an uglier language to do it in?
Sun
HP
SGI
IBM
You know , small little companies like that who all write their own X servers for their versions of UNIX.
"Does that count as a major redesign?"
No. I'm not interested Yet Another Open Source Groups pet project , I want ALL parties who use and/or develop X to sit down and agree on a COMMON standard that comes shipped AS THE DEFAULT on all unix systems, not an optional alternative you download of some website no one has heard of.
"The Extensions mechanism provides the X11 protocol with extrodinary forwards compatibility"
Yes it does , but at some point its time to say that "this functionality would be better served being a core part of the system". Eg transparency.
Rubbish. Printers are print once then forget, whereas screens can consist of lots of constantly moving graphics. They're entirely different enviroments and the only place where your argument would be valid is in publishing situations where the screen has to match the printer output exactly and moving graphics are irrelevant.
Its not a different display device , its a batch hard copy device. If you don't believe print something out then try to get the printer to update it.
Please explain how the printer relates to the X windows system. I'm all ears...
Its time a load of heads sat down and decided on the features that are required in the next MAJOR release of the X windows system/protocol. None of this piecemeal "we'll add it in as an extension" rubbish thats been happening for the last 10 years as this is becoming unmanageable; "My server has the dbe extension but not open-gl, your server has shapes but not etc etc etc." Just put ALL modern graphics requirements in the base protocol and write new extensions for Xlib and work from there.
Theres a lot of naive talk about some nirvana of cheap or free unlimited calls over the internet with no rental charges and 99.9999% uptime just around the corner. Great , but how about a reality check first.
1) The internet is nothing more than a load of copper cable , optic fibres , co-ax, microwave & satellite transmitters.
2) All infrastructure has to be maintained & upgraded. So if you with your 0.1p 5 hour call to timbuktu isn't paying for it then who is? Or will we have the same situation as the US power companies where prices went so low they didn't update anything with the problems consequent now?
Its time we all moved out of this juvenile mindset that we can have everything free cos mummy & dayy will pay for it. When you're an adult someone has to foot the bill and if its not you then it could be me through taxes or suchlike.
Landline exchanges are REQUIRED BY LAW to have backup power supplies in case of mains failure. You think your cable op has those? Doubt it.
"Another possible reason is because C/C++ has to free up memory as it goes"
It doesn't have to. You could have a global list of pointers you've used and free them all up at the end or every given time period a la java.
Sorry , but you can't have the whole planet in winter. If its winter in one hemisphere its summer in another and AFAIK the rovers are both near the equator anyway (just on opposite sides of the planet). Can anyone explain what they're talking about?
Its a damn site more than 4 times , I forget the exact figure but its something like hundreds of times more.
"Anyway linux isn't anymore secure or insecure then windows."
Not strictly true. A normal user in unix/linux can't totally screw up the system (unless the admins have deliberatly reset all the privs) whereas in windows they can in all sorts of ways: eg deleting various system files such as explorer.exe
"anachromism" is a noun , not an adjective. Therefor an article is required. Perhaps you should learn english better before posting.
Umm , if that theoretical calculation is correct then a human body would block phone signals dead. Obviously they don't so that 3mm calculation is a load of crap.
MS will find a way. 10 years ago who thought that an OS could possibly require a min 500Mhz
processor just to run!
NOt everyone is as rich as you or have such rich friends who can afford to blow money on non essentials like that. A floppy costs 20c.
As with a lot of things in the IT world its nothing to do with whether people use or want them or not , its to do with the manufacturers wanting to save money not including them and the IT press only wanting to talk about the latest "kool kit". Floppies cost money and arn't cutting edge so as far as the above 2 groups are concerned you can go hang. I agree though , they're damn useful.