"Yeah, really, why limit it to commercial version of Unix that suck. I haven't seen any that doesn't suck."
You haven't seen many then. Almost all the commercial unix's still around (AIX, HP-UX, Solaris) IMO are better for heavy iron back end use when compared to Linux. No one gives a shit if they don't support the latest flavour-of-the-month graphics doodles on the desktop , thats not what they're designed for. If you want fancy graphics by a Mac, but don't expect to run a bank on it.
"because X sucks so bad on a LAN"
Whatever. This tedious argument is so old and disproved I'm amazed anyone still dishes it up in a serious debate.
"There's no modern distro which actually implements remote X in any other way than Wayland is proposing to do it, pixels scraping and sending it over the network."
Utter utter utter crap. If you open a standard X app - eg xterm - on a remote server it will use the standard X protocol, it will NOT do remote desktop style pixel scraping. If you don't believe me check it out with tcpdump.
"Yet for some reason some people are still hung up on a feature which they think they use because frankly they don't understand anything"
As you're proving - its the ones who make the biggest noises who usually understand the least.
Just because one thing is derived from another doesn't mean they're the same age. Otherwise you could say Windows is the same age as DOS is the same age as CP/M.
Thats the nearest equivalent jet in capability to the F-35 - and its actually in production and flying today. The Rafale looks nice buts its a bit long in the tooth now and not at the top of its game.
"Without the web, my life would be much, much smaller and poorer."
I feel sorry for you. Seriously. I use most of the above too but if I lost web access it would be like loosing the TV - annoying but hardly a big deal in the scheme of things. Perhaps you need to find some real life friends and do some more outdoor activities.
Therefore its a meaningless gesture and nothing more than a publicity stunt for the anniversary.
And equating it to human rights is an insult to all the people in the world currently having their rights abused or taken away completely. Oddly enough billions of people manage to live quite fulfilled lives without going near a web browser. The same can't be said for those being oppressed,tortured, starved or massacred. While I respect Berners-Lee, I think he's lost a bit of perspective on things.
Newflash - the "we're doing everyone a favour" excuse was a joke 10 years ago. Its just fscking lame now. If someone kicked down your door and smashed up your stuff you wouldn't be thanking them for pointing out you needed a stronger door.
>A simple chalk line in the ground with the text "here starts my >home" should suffice
And in a lot of places it does. But at least with thieves the motivation is obvious - they want money. With these script kiddies its the equivalent of someone breaking into your house and smashing stuff up just for the sake of it.
Every nice little functional feature someone puts on a site or in an application - along come some socially dysfunctional pricks who has to exploit and ruin it for everyone. I just despair sometimes.
"What you are missing is that you are dearly paying out of your ass for the dept you are racking up"
I'm in my 40s and my car and house are both paid off now. Meanwhile you're still paying someone else's wage in the form of rent to your landlord and unlike a mortgage you'll get none of that money back when you move. So who's the mug? Its not me.
*sigh* Another kid pontificating on stuff he knows nothing about.
Here's a fact for you sonny - almost no one can afford to buy a house outright. So your suggestion would mean we all either pay rent to the government or some rich landowner who owns all the housing stock , or we all live in self built shacks.
Now run along, I think you have some economics homework to do.
Mind you - given the EU machinery in brussels is operated partially by an unelected commision perhaps the turkish governments undemocratic and authoritarian approach is smarter than it first appears.
To come up with something as sophisticated as bitcoin would take more than the usual type of bedroom coder who knocks up some social network site. So I'm afraid I don't believe he's some lone genius who's managed to stay under the radar and then suddenly amazes the world with his invention. He's almost certainly a known polymath expert.
Though unless there's a cryptography + programming + economics expert who's known by almost no one - which is pretty damn unlikely - then there's only a limited number of people it could be anyway and from what I've read he's the #1 suspect.
Perhaps you'd like to check out how long it took to drill down a few miles to Lake Vostok in Antartica using a team of people on site and a huge drilling rig?
Once you've done that I would suggest you stuff your sarcasm back in its box and buy a ticket on the next clue train going past.
Err, amino acids are scattered throughout the universe and can be made rather easily by simple chemical processes if you have the right precursors. Finding them on the surface of a moon proves nothing other than the precursors are available.
"the fact that water if regularly venting to the surface means that there are likely very thin areas of ice that can be utilised."
Unlikely. Its nothing more than melt water from fairly shallow movements in the ice. It certainly won't be anything recent from the deep ocean. The ice may well turn over in geological time but by then any life inside will have long since decomposed into amino acids or whatever precursor its made from. And thats not going to tell us much about whats down there.
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Its sad, but if the kids of parents who only think on a base emotional level die then its clearing out the human gene pool. We should thank them.
"Yeah, really, why limit it to commercial version of Unix that suck. I haven't seen any that doesn't suck."
You haven't seen many then. Almost all the commercial unix's still around (AIX, HP-UX, Solaris) IMO are better for heavy iron back end use when compared to Linux. No one gives a shit if they don't support the latest flavour-of-the-month graphics doodles on the desktop , thats not what they're designed for. If you want fancy graphics by a Mac, but don't expect to run a bank on it.
"because X sucks so bad on a LAN"
Whatever. This tedious argument is so old and disproved I'm amazed anyone still dishes it up in a serious debate.
"There's no modern distro which actually implements remote X in any other way than Wayland is proposing to do it, pixels scraping and sending it over the network."
Utter utter utter crap. If you open a standard X app - eg xterm - on a remote server it will use the standard X protocol, it will NOT do remote desktop style pixel scraping. If you don't believe me check it out with tcpdump.
"Yet for some reason some people are still hung up on a feature which they think they use because frankly they don't understand anything"
As you're proving - its the ones who make the biggest noises who usually understand the least.
Just because one thing is derived from another doesn't mean they're the same age. Otherwise you could say Windows is the same age as DOS is the same age as CP/M.
Thats the nearest equivalent jet in capability to the F-35 - and its actually in production and flying today. The Rafale looks nice buts its a bit long in the tooth now and not at the top of its game.
Someone has the right to sit on front of a screen all their life and I have the right to think they're a bit of a loser.
And yes , I am sitting in front of a screen myself - I'm paid to. But this is a diversion at work. At home I have better things to do.
Sadly what you say is true.
"If I lost the internet, I don't even know what I would do with my time"
Is there some Looser of the Week competition going on on here that I don't know about?
"Without the web, my life would be much, much smaller and poorer."
I feel sorry for you. Seriously. I use most of the above too but if I lost web access it would be like loosing the TV - annoying but hardly a big deal in the scheme of things. Perhaps you need to find some real life friends and do some more outdoor activities.
Therefore its a meaningless gesture and nothing more than a publicity stunt for the anniversary.
And equating it to human rights is an insult to all the people in the world currently having their rights abused or taken away completely. Oddly enough billions of people manage to live quite fulfilled lives without going near a web browser. The same can't be said for those being oppressed ,tortured, starved or massacred. While I respect Berners-Lee, I think he's lost a bit of perspective on things.
Newflash - the "we're doing everyone a favour" excuse was a joke 10 years ago. Its just fscking lame now. If someone kicked down your door and smashed up your stuff you wouldn't be thanking them for pointing out you needed a stronger door.
Right , because WordPress was a real threat to civilisation as we know it.
>A simple chalk line in the ground with the text "here starts my
>home" should suffice
And in a lot of places it does. But at least with thieves the motivation is obvious - they want money. With these script kiddies its the equivalent of someone breaking into your house and smashing stuff up just for the sake of it.
Every nice little functional feature someone puts on a site or in an application - along come some socially dysfunctional pricks who has to exploit and ruin it for everyone. I just despair sometimes.
"What you are missing is that you are dearly paying out of your ass for the dept you are racking up"
I'm in my 40s and my car and house are both paid off now. Meanwhile you're still paying someone else's wage in the form of rent to your landlord and unlike a mortgage you'll get none of that money back when you move. So who's the mug? Its not me.
*sigh* Another kid pontificating on stuff he knows nothing about.
Here's a fact for you sonny - almost no one can afford to buy a house outright. So your suggestion would mean we all either pay rent to the government or some rich landowner who owns all the housing stock , or we all live in self built shacks.
Now run along, I think you have some economics homework to do.
It was a joke you bloody halfwit - turkey / chicken , get it? Hello?
Oldtimer and senile it would seem.
Not.
Mind you - given the EU machinery in brussels is operated partially by an unelected commision perhaps the turkish governments undemocratic and authoritarian approach is smarter than it first appears.
Don't know - but you're a chicken to ask that as A/C
To come up with something as sophisticated as bitcoin would take more than the usual type of bedroom coder who knocks up some social network site. So I'm afraid I don't believe he's some lone genius who's managed to stay under the radar and then suddenly amazes the world with his invention. He's almost certainly a known polymath expert.
Though unless there's a cryptography + programming + economics expert who's known by almost no one - which is pretty damn unlikely - then there's only a limited number of people it could be anyway and from what I've read he's the #1 suspect.
Perhaps you'd like to check out how long it took to drill down a few miles to Lake Vostok in Antartica using a team of people on site and a huge drilling rig?
Once you've done that I would suggest you stuff your sarcasm back in its box and buy a ticket on the next clue train going past.
Err, amino acids are scattered throughout the universe and can be made rather easily by simple chemical processes if you have the right precursors. Finding them on the surface of a moon proves nothing other than the precursors are available.
Did she know something we don't (yet)?
"the fact that water if regularly venting to the surface means that there are likely very thin areas of ice that can be utilised."
Unlikely. Its nothing more than melt water from fairly shallow movements in the ice. It certainly won't be anything recent from the deep ocean. The ice may well turn over in geological time but by then any life inside will have long since decomposed into amino acids or whatever precursor its made from. And thats not going to tell us much about whats down there.