Except it's not a long-term service agreement when getting out of it is as easy as it is.
You can call it a long-term service agreement when that's actually enforced, k?
What a stupid thing to say. I can sign up with my electricity provider, then decide to move the next day and they don't "force" me to stay with them, they just cancel my service. So does that mean that electricity is like lottery tickets too?
Einsteins IQ was around 160. He wasn't any smarter than either of us. Genius level IQ is generally considered to be over 145.
The distribution among the population is approx:
50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110
70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115
95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130
99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140
So, barring the tendency of intellectuals to gather together in ivory towers, it is statistically unlikely that you will ever meet your intellectual equal face to face on the street.
Of course, genius doesn't always mean greatness. Heard one of the best descriptions of what makes for greatness recently. It's a person who forms their ideas entirely outside of the society they live in, creates a new system that is superior to the old one, and institutionalizes it so it lives on after their death.
If you don't like the MPAA why are you listening to their music?
Because it's not their property, it's my culture. I don't recognize their claim to it.
You're inventing crazy reasons to keep on stealing.
First off, duplicating is not stealing. Stealing is when you take a physical object that is someone elses personal posession. And secondly, my actions are not crazy, they are tactically sound means of working towards my goals.
And I mean literally crazy, you come off as a paranoid schizophrenic.
I'm not paranoid. I'm actively attempting to subvert and sabotage the critical infrastructure of my enemies, and they are after me. It's not like I'm the only one. Maybe some day you'll join us. Then we can all afford to sing as one.
Disregarding the moral issues on either side of the argument, two reasons I'd pay for music downloads are that
* Assuming whatever I want is already available, it's often less hassle than tracking down songs via P2P (in rarer cases) and waiting for them to become available from a single uploader, and
* If it's a known-bitrate transfer from a known existing source, it also saves me wasted time "auditioning" which version to keep from various downloaded copies (some of which are better quality than others)
See, it is because of the moral issues involved that I grab music I don't even like and burn it for friends who never asked for it out of my own pocket.
From my perspective, it's a war, and every purchase prevented is less resources for the enemy to use against me and mine.
Way to ignore his points. On another note, tomorrow I'm off to buy lottery tickets with my credit card.
He didn't have any points. He ranted about how stupid he thought everything was and compared registering a domain name with buying a lottery ticket. It's a moronic argument, because a lottery ticket is a consumable item, while domain name registration is a long term service agreement.
Come off it - we're not talking people buying something retail here - we're talking domain names. Buy it because you want it or need it. Don't like it after a week -sell it. This whole "domain tasting" bullshit has to end.
Try returning that losing lottery ticket the day after the draw. "Buyer's remorse"? Are you fucking kidding? Try returning your big mac an hour later. Try returning your custom-made whatever (and all domain names are custom - by definition, no two are alike).
Yeah, well, try telling that to your online payment processor. See how quickly their risk management team disconnects your account.
People are entitled to "Buyers Remorse" in a good chunk of the world. Aside from that, if they change their mind about an online purchase inside of a couple of days, they often utilize the facilities their credit card companies give them to cancel the payment, which incurs significant cost to the seller.
If you don't give purchasers the ability to cancel their order without cost when they changed their mind, it generally ends up costing you more than it's worth.
Ironic. It's little known that parents are explicitly allowed to have nude photos of their kids as long as they are obviously not being abused and the pictures are not distributed. It keeps all the parents with the pictures of babies in the bathtub from going to jail. Kinda stupid that your parent can have a picture of you naked but this girl gets charged with child porn charges for having pictures of HERSELF.
Just to play devils advocate: If we consider publishing nude photos of yourself to be pornography, why would we consider it not pornography when a young person does it?
You might make the argument that child pornography should be treated differently when the perpetrator is also the child in question, but trying to say it's not pornography is nonsense.
Technology is rapidly bringing us to the point where we can make every creative work ever made available to everyone on earth, at trivial practical cost.
Which means, if we found a different mechanism to promote and sustain creators that didn't give them any less but didn't require them to maintain copyright, we could do just that.
Making all this culture and knowledge available to everyone will inevitably make them more productive in the general sense, and thus make us all richer on the bottom line.
So, if you find a different mechanism than copyright to distribute the funds, we all can have more for less.
That's something even a hard nosed suit can appreciate, is it not?
Don't forget, this guy is an editor for a print magazine. He considers cutting up other peoples work to fit a format and promote whoever is paying to be an art, and feels himself entitled to be able to do that as a profession for the rest of his life.
It's like talking to a photography student about copyright. Their position is always an outraged sense of entitlement based around how hard they studied and how much they paid to go to school.
I imagine horse drawn buggy whip manufacturing students and executive managers sounded much like these people.
Bond and the strip club, two of the last bastions of man, were destroyed when they let the feminists and the lesbians in. Now they're just grotesque dancing corpses, reminding you of what was lost.
Personally, I'll be avoiding anything touched by Microsoft going forward. There are Trusted Computing vulnerabilities built into my hardware now, so the risks have definitely become too great. That goes for Novell as well, of course. Simply can't be trusted.
I took a job as a peddler for a year few years back, just so I could get out of the office and be sociable after I split with my ex, and I can attest to the fact that they regularly strong arm their suppliers into changing their product. They need something new if they're going to advertise that there is something new, so they force the supplier to change their product in small, meaningless ways to facilitate this.
Half the merchandise I carried was bought for pennies on the dollar, far less than cost, and it was available at that price because when Wal-Mart forced them to change things, all their existing stock became an unsellable liability that they had no means to divest themselves of.
Wal-Mart are shit to deal with for everyone involved.
"What about when you see two children behaving in startling, unexpected ways and have that "They're so cute, look at what they're doing." laugh?"
Bears will cuff their young on the head when they misbehave. We laugh. If we were to cuff our young on the head, because of the inordinate weakness of the rest of the body (particularly the neck), our young wouldn't survive. We've naturally selected for that response - but too many parents still resort to physical violence at the drop of a hat to make me believe that aggression in humans isn't the normal state of affairs.
I have sat and watched my daughter playing pretend, and seen her do the most silly things, like dressing up like a princess with a pink cape made of a set of curtains, and laughed my ass off at her ridiculous antics and silly dances. There was no aggression involved. There was no cruelty. There was no meanness. It was just funny, that's all.
You have a warped view of humanity, and of intelligence, and of life. You are a sad and pathetic figure, and I feel sorry for you. Not that my saying anything is going to fix whatever is broken inside you. I must say, though, that with your attitude, I sincerely hope you're never entrusted with any authority. You're warped in the head.
My dog eats his own shit. You call that intelligence?
Yes. He can't pick it up and take it away because he has no hands, and if he leaves it in the wrong place, he knows predators will find his regular haunts, so he buries it when he can or eats it when he can't. Same thing as cats who eat hairballs. It's an example of him recognizing that the shit piles are long term risks to his survival and taking steps to preserve himself.
How can you consider war, which involves going to fight on behalf of your group, as not being an example of the extended sense of self?
Going to war to protect the group is the ultimate expression of an extended sense of self. Misguided though it often is, it is still one of the best examples of self-sacrifice around. Creating war to take advantage of the group, on the other hand, is the act of a psychopath.
Actually, you just reminded me of another ability of intelligence - deceit. True intelligence must be capable of recognizing lies.
That's nonsense. You can fail to acknowledge that there are any other sentients out there to lie to you and still be intelligent and self aware. Dogs don't even understand our language, they clearly cannot tell when we are lying, yet they have intelligence. Humans raised wild are another example of the same.
If the context is such that the question was nonsense before you finished asking it, then there are no right answers, because it's not a question, it's gibberish. If it wasn't nonsense, it's a simple yes or no question. This isn't some deep secret of the universe you're talking about here... you're setting up a straw man.
It seems to me that intelligence starts and ends with the capacity of an actor to engage in self-preservation, which implies self awareness.
If we want to create an artifical actor with feelings, we need to give them a body and an interface by which to interact with it. Feelings an expression of the body communicating with the mind, and their lack of precision comes from the fact that the body automatically summarizes the message before it sends it to the mind.
You put something together with a mind, a body, feedback that allows the mind to observe and remain aware of itself, feedback that allows the mind to observe the body and be aware of its existence, and you'll have intelligence.
But it will be a psychotic intelligence.
If you want to make it more like an animal, and thus more like a human, you need to give it an awareness of its mortality and a sense that it is connected to its environment. This is where ideals come from. Humans who aren't psychotic extend their sense of self to encapsulate their operating environment, their peers and their progeny, and we'll destroy ourselves to protect it because we have an expanded sense of self.
How to do these things, I don't know. But that's the direction we need to go if we're to achieve AI.
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Except it's not a long-term service agreement when getting out of it is as easy as it is.
You can call it a long-term service agreement when that's actually enforced, k?
What a stupid thing to say. I can sign up with my electricity provider, then decide to move the next day and they don't "force" me to stay with them, they just cancel my service. So does that mean that electricity is like lottery tickets too?
Einsteins IQ was around 160. He wasn't any smarter than either of us. Genius level IQ is generally considered to be over 145.
The distribution among the population is approx:
50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110
70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115
95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130
99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140
So, barring the tendency of intellectuals to gather together in ivory towers, it is statistically unlikely that you will ever meet your intellectual equal face to face on the street.
Of course, genius doesn't always mean greatness. Heard one of the best descriptions of what makes for greatness recently. It's a person who forms their ideas entirely outside of the society they live in, creates a new system that is superior to the old one, and institutionalizes it so it lives on after their death.
THAT is what separates Einstein from you and I.
You're welcome. I don't want any misunderstandings.
You're an idiot.
No, I'm a genius. IQ is over 160.
If you don't like the MPAA why are you listening to their music?
Because it's not their property, it's my culture. I don't recognize their claim to it.
You're inventing crazy reasons to keep on stealing.
First off, duplicating is not stealing. Stealing is when you take a physical object that is someone elses personal posession. And secondly, my actions are not crazy, they are tactically sound means of working towards my goals.
And I mean literally crazy, you come off as a paranoid schizophrenic.
I'm not paranoid. I'm actively attempting to subvert and sabotage the critical infrastructure of my enemies, and they are after me. It's not like I'm the only one. Maybe some day you'll join us. Then we can all afford to sing as one.
Disregarding the moral issues on either side of the argument, two reasons I'd pay for music downloads are that
* Assuming whatever I want is already available, it's often less hassle than tracking down songs via P2P (in rarer cases) and waiting for them to become available from a single uploader, and
* If it's a known-bitrate transfer from a known existing source, it also saves me wasted time "auditioning" which version to keep from various downloaded copies (some of which are better quality than others)
See, it is because of the moral issues involved that I grab music I don't even like and burn it for friends who never asked for it out of my own pocket.
From my perspective, it's a war, and every purchase prevented is less resources for the enemy to use against me and mine.
Sweet! Now I'll be able to download all the music you buy off P2P networks for free!
Like I'm ever paying copyright companies for digital media files. I'd rather burn my money.
I'd suggest that if you want privacy, you might want to stay away from publishing mediums like signs, books, audio recordings, movies and websites.
You might want to try meeting in dark alleys and speaking to each other in hushed voices with your hand over your mouth to prevent lip reading.
Or you could just shut the fuck up, then none of us will know what you're thinking. That would be your best bet.
Way to ignore his points. On another note, tomorrow I'm off to buy lottery tickets with my credit card.
He didn't have any points. He ranted about how stupid he thought everything was and compared registering a domain name with buying a lottery ticket. It's a moronic argument, because a lottery ticket is a consumable item, while domain name registration is a long term service agreement.
Come off it - we're not talking people buying something retail here - we're talking domain names. Buy it because you want it or need it. Don't like it after a week -sell it. This whole "domain tasting" bullshit has to end.
Try returning that losing lottery ticket the day after the draw. "Buyer's remorse"? Are you fucking kidding? Try returning your big mac an hour later. Try returning your custom-made whatever (and all domain names are custom - by definition, no two are alike).
Yeah, well, try telling that to your online payment processor. See how quickly their risk management team disconnects your account.
People are entitled to "Buyers Remorse" in a good chunk of the world. Aside from that, if they change their mind about an online purchase inside of a couple of days, they often utilize the facilities their credit card companies give them to cancel the payment, which incurs significant cost to the seller.
If you don't give purchasers the ability to cancel their order without cost when they changed their mind, it generally ends up costing you more than it's worth.
The answer is simple.
Fuck the court. Kill the judge and the lawyers too.
Hanging?
Ironic. It's little known that parents are explicitly allowed to have nude photos of their kids as long as they are obviously not being abused and the pictures are not distributed. It keeps all the parents with the pictures of babies in the bathtub from going to jail. Kinda stupid that your parent can have a picture of you naked but this girl gets charged with child porn charges for having pictures of HERSELF.
Just to play devils advocate: If we consider publishing nude photos of yourself to be pornography, why would we consider it not pornography when a young person does it?
You might make the argument that child pornography should be treated differently when the perpetrator is also the child in question, but trying to say it's not pornography is nonsense.
As a hippy loon, my logic is this:
Technology is rapidly bringing us to the point where we can make every creative work ever made available to everyone on earth, at trivial practical cost.
Which means, if we found a different mechanism to promote and sustain creators that didn't give them any less but didn't require them to maintain copyright, we could do just that.
Making all this culture and knowledge available to everyone will inevitably make them more productive in the general sense, and thus make us all richer on the bottom line.
So, if you find a different mechanism than copyright to distribute the funds, we all can have more for less.
That's something even a hard nosed suit can appreciate, is it not?
Don't forget, this guy is an editor for a print magazine. He considers cutting up other peoples work to fit a format and promote whoever is paying to be an art, and feels himself entitled to be able to do that as a profession for the rest of his life.
It's like talking to a photography student about copyright. Their position is always an outraged sense of entitlement based around how hard they studied and how much they paid to go to school.
I imagine horse drawn buggy whip manufacturing students and executive managers sounded much like these people.
Bond and the strip club, two of the last bastions of man, were destroyed when they let the feminists and the lesbians in. Now they're just grotesque dancing corpses, reminding you of what was lost.
Personally, I'll be avoiding anything touched by Microsoft going forward. There are Trusted Computing vulnerabilities built into my hardware now, so the risks have definitely become too great. That goes for Novell as well, of course. Simply can't be trusted.
I took a job as a peddler for a year few years back, just so I could get out of the office and be sociable after I split with my ex, and I can attest to the fact that they regularly strong arm their suppliers into changing their product. They need something new if they're going to advertise that there is something new, so they force the supplier to change their product in small, meaningless ways to facilitate this.
Half the merchandise I carried was bought for pennies on the dollar, far less than cost, and it was available at that price because when Wal-Mart forced them to change things, all their existing stock became an unsellable liability that they had no means to divest themselves of.
Wal-Mart are shit to deal with for everyone involved.
"What about when you see two children behaving in startling, unexpected ways and have that "They're so cute, look at what they're doing." laugh?" Bears will cuff their young on the head when they misbehave. We laugh. If we were to cuff our young on the head, because of the inordinate weakness of the rest of the body (particularly the neck), our young wouldn't survive. We've naturally selected for that response - but too many parents still resort to physical violence at the drop of a hat to make me believe that aggression in humans isn't the normal state of affairs.
I have sat and watched my daughter playing pretend, and seen her do the most silly things, like dressing up like a princess with a pink cape made of a set of curtains, and laughed my ass off at her ridiculous antics and silly dances. There was no aggression involved. There was no cruelty. There was no meanness. It was just funny, that's all.
You have a warped view of humanity, and of intelligence, and of life. You are a sad and pathetic figure, and I feel sorry for you. Not that my saying anything is going to fix whatever is broken inside you. I must say, though, that with your attitude, I sincerely hope you're never entrusted with any authority. You're warped in the head.
So, where does self-depreciating humour fit into your system?
What about parody?
What about when you see two children behaving in startling, unexpected ways and have that "They're so cute, look at what they're doing." laugh?
There are lots of instances of humour that do not come from a dark, aggressive and violent place in the psyche.
The fact that you need someone to point this out makes me feel sorry for you, honestly.
My dog eats his own shit. You call that intelligence?
Yes. He can't pick it up and take it away because he has no hands, and if he leaves it in the wrong place, he knows predators will find his regular haunts, so he buries it when he can or eats it when he can't. Same thing as cats who eat hairballs. It's an example of him recognizing that the shit piles are long term risks to his survival and taking steps to preserve himself.
How can you consider war, which involves going to fight on behalf of your group, as not being an example of the extended sense of self?
Going to war to protect the group is the ultimate expression of an extended sense of self. Misguided though it often is, it is still one of the best examples of self-sacrifice around. Creating war to take advantage of the group, on the other hand, is the act of a psychopath.
Actually, you just reminded me of another ability of intelligence - deceit. True intelligence must be capable of recognizing lies.
That's nonsense. You can fail to acknowledge that there are any other sentients out there to lie to you and still be intelligent and self aware. Dogs don't even understand our language, they clearly cannot tell when we are lying, yet they have intelligence. Humans raised wild are another example of the same.
If the context is such that the question was nonsense before you finished asking it, then there are no right answers, because it's not a question, it's gibberish. If it wasn't nonsense, it's a simple yes or no question. This isn't some deep secret of the universe you're talking about here... you're setting up a straw man.
It seems to me that intelligence starts and ends with the capacity of an actor to engage in self-preservation, which implies self awareness.
If we want to create an artifical actor with feelings, we need to give them a body and an interface by which to interact with it. Feelings an expression of the body communicating with the mind, and their lack of precision comes from the fact that the body automatically summarizes the message before it sends it to the mind.
You put something together with a mind, a body, feedback that allows the mind to observe and remain aware of itself, feedback that allows the mind to observe the body and be aware of its existence, and you'll have intelligence.
But it will be a psychotic intelligence.
If you want to make it more like an animal, and thus more like a human, you need to give it an awareness of its mortality and a sense that it is connected to its environment. This is where ideals come from. Humans who aren't psychotic extend their sense of self to encapsulate their operating environment, their peers and their progeny, and we'll destroy ourselves to protect it because we have an expanded sense of self.
How to do these things, I don't know. But that's the direction we need to go if we're to achieve AI.
Classic example of a question that can't be properly answered by a yes or no: "Do you still beat your wife?" Intelligence goes beyond simple logic.
What if the answer is "Yes, I'm still beating my wife." or "No, I've stopped beating my wife."?
Clearly, you didn't think this through very far...