Mobile is using these anecdotes as evidence that mobile carriers should be able to retain control over the applications and devices on their network to ensure quality of service for all users. Do they have a point?
No. If they have a problem, they should fix their network. Hands off my goddamn pocket computer.
I see a disturbing trend here. T-Mobile has (since the release of the G1) been the friendliest carrier around, when it comes to data usage and so forth. They also were very supportive of customers wanting to use third-party Android firmware (like Cyanogen.) Now the G2 won't let you do that, and they're pulling Verizon-like BS stats to justify limiting their smartphones to crapware-laden pieces of crap.
If they keep it up, they'll lose my business. Granted, I don't like Sprint, and sure as hell don't want AT&T or Verizon. But you know what? A smartphone is not an essential requirement of life. Granted, there are a lot of young people who will disagree with me. I like having one, but if the price is to be jerked around on a chain by my provider, it's not worth it.
It's funny how the labels and all the rest of the copyright lobby want to move the policing of pirated material to ISP's and search-providers and not to pay for it. I guess it's a bit of a rude awakening to have to start paying for things when you have had a free ride for decades.
Exactly the same organisations complain about the "we want content for free" attitude of consumers. Yet they themselves demand everybody work for them for free. Oh the irony... juicy, delicious irony.
Ironic perhaps, and definitely hypocritical. Not to mention sociopathic.
That's a bargain, considering with each link they lose billions and billions of dollars.
No, billions is a readily quantifiable value. They don't want that, because then people might ask them to prove how much they lose. So instead, they lose either gazillions or bazillions, whichever is greater.
Sadly he would get a new one. I can't stand anything apple, but to him they can do no wrong. It's a mindset I can't quite fathom of someone who apart from that is a reasonably sane person.
The human mind is capable of maintaining such dichotomies with relative ease. The physicist who knows more about how the Universe works than most, for example, who still believes in an immanent God who influences his daily existence. Our ability to reconcile and compartmentalize completely contrary positions is the root of much evil in the world. You would think it would cause brain damage... well, maybe it does.
CyanogenMod is pretty awesome and it is available for most Android phones so you don't need to wait for the carrier updates.
Uhuh. So if I hack my Android phone, I can control it. And that's better than if I hack my iPhone so I can control it.
Seriously, you fandroids are the most oddly hypocritical lot I've come across in a long time...
Yes, it is. And you're missing the point entirely.
Cyanogenmod is not a "hack". It's a major development project having extremely close ties with the lead Android developers at Google. Like the stock Android, it's a completely open source project, with some rather capable developers contributing to it. More interestingly, much of the work that Steve Kondik and his team release ends up in the main development branch at Google. That benefits ALL Android users, not just the lucky few that actually run Cyanogenmod. Unlike the vast majority of open source projects, this one really is working, and working well. Can Steve Jobs say that? Will he ever be able to say that? Rhetorical question. And that's okay, because Apple people generally want a limited appliance controlled by what they insist upon perceiving as a benevolent entity. Nevertheless, not everyone has the same priorities that you do. Some of us see our smartphones as true pocket computers. Consequently, we don't accept artificial limitations upon their functionality any more than you would accept Steve Jobs telling you want you can (and cannot!) do with your Macintosh.
So, if you want to compare "jailbreaking" your shiny iPhone with "rooting" your more practical and functional Android device, I'll go along with it. Dismissing a project like Cyanogenmod as "hacking", well, it kinda makes you look like a typical Apple fanboy, e.g. someone who is incapable of recognizing defects in the products he chooses to buy, and while simultaneously decrying those of other people.
As a matter of fact, Apple fanboys are frequently the most ignorant (as well as hypocritical) lot I've come across yet, with the possible exception of Congress.
In SquareTrade's previous study comparing smart phone reliability from November 2008, we found iPhones to be far more reliable than Blackberrys and Palm Treos. We will be updating this report soon, and we'll have data on the latest Android phone models. It may yet be seen that even with the double glass, the iPhone has an overall failure rate that is still better than the competition.
They may or may not be more reliable. That's not the same thing as saying they're more durable, which is what this discussion is about.
You do realize that the entire face of every single model of iPhone is one plate of glass, right? Its not like a flip phone or candybar where the screen is embedded and behind a bezel that is 25% of the width/height of the phone on all sides.
I will refer you to option "c" of my original missive: suckers that got sold a mechanically inferior product..
Flamebait? This whole discussion is about how the phone breaks more easily than the previous generation. Come on, iPhone-using mods, let's be intellectually honest here. You just modded me down because I slammed your choice of smart phone, not because I was flaming anyone.
The electrons were kidnapped, imprisoned and for all we know used for immoral purposes by being forced to download 4chan. Thats no way to treat a bunch of 14 billion year old atomic particles. The UN should so something about this. Please, won't anybody think about the fermions?
No kidding. One of those apartment (pardon me, "flat") dwellers might very well have been viewing child porn.
I broke the screen on my HTC Tytn 2
I had it in my front pocket when I was out paintballing and it took one to the screen, can't think of any way I could break it in normal use.
New screen cost me £35, cheaper than the insurance would have been if I'd taken it out
I'm waiting for the hero in some action movie to get shot and fall to the ground, only to pull out his smartphone to find the round stuck in it.
My Samsung Moment Android phone also has one piece of glass. I recently dropped it on an asphalt parking lot while getting in my car, directly on the face at least 3-4 feet. It didn't break. It wasn't even scratched.
That may be, but I'm betting you went "oooohhhh ssshhhiiiittttt!!!!!!!!" in slooowwwww motion as the phone spun through the air and landed flat on its face. You were lucky there, I think: if it had hit on an angle you might have done more damage. But yeah, I don't consider Apple products to be particularly durable when compared to some, maybe even most, other smartphone makers. Don't know why: considering what they charge for the things you'd think they could use sturdier materials.
Could it have something to do with the fact your nicad-powered monster only had a screen ~1 sq. inch, coupled with the fact that it was (probably) some kind of impact-resistant plastic?
iPhones - how I hate typing that - and newer phones have, big glass screens. Toughened or not it's a lot easier to crack a piece of glass than it is plastic that's 1/10th the size.
For my two-penneth I'd say it's because we're used to them now; the novelty has worn off and we just aren't taking as much care of them as we used to.
I tend to think that Apple just doesn't care about durability as much as some other makers. HTC, for one, seems to do a damn fine job of making phones that are very hard to kill, especially when compared to the likes of an iPhone. Jobs & Co., on the other hand, know that their clientele will buy iPhones no matter what. That's mainly, I believe, because they are so shiny.
You do realize that the entire face of every single model of iPhone is one plate of glass, right? Its not like a flip phone or candybar where the screen is embedded and behind a bezel that is 25% of the width/height of the phone on all sides.
I will refer you to option "c" of my original missive: suckers that got sold a mechanically inferior product. .
What the fuck do iPhone owners do with their phones? Crack open coconuts with them? I've been using cellular phones since they came in bags and ran off nicads and lead-acid batteries, and I have never managed to break a screen. I mean, sure, cell phones are portable electronics and thus delicate to a degree, but exercise a modicum of care and they should last a while.
I think iPhone owners are one or more of the following: a. careless individuals who regularly drop their phones onto concrete, b. people who frequently beat on their phones out of frustration with Market policies and/or AT&T's network, or c. suckers that got sold an mechanically inferior product.
There are other pigeonholes, but that'll get you started.
Meme-mongers: Imagine a Beowulf cluster of that array!
Meta-commentators: (Present company excluded, well not really) Timothy!
MAFIAACS: Oh great, they just copyrighted my gum-popping sounds.
Insightful curmudgeons: Given sufficient sensitivity, this could be done with a tetrahedral array--50 years. Now, get off my lawn!
You're not using the type of software they are trying to figure out the price for then. Software such as AdvantX (A medical software package) or Siriusware (A POS system used commonly by Theme parks and Ski Resorts and other places where they have ticket tracking/rentals/etc). Call either of those companies for support and you actually get quality support.
Yes. You'll mostly see that in vertical-market apps which serve critical business functions, have a limited market, and cost a lot of money. They also usually have support contracts, so you're paying for that support on top of the actual cost of the software itself. Consequently, they damn well better provide good service.
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TFA isn't just talking about bandwidth, it's talking about connections. Poorly coded apps that refresh too often will kill a cell tower.
Regardless, the point is that cell providers were never meant to be Internet providers.
No, the point is that they can't be considered to be Internet providers if they aren't willing to invest in sufficient capacity to make that true.
and subjecting everyone to brain tumor causing radiation?
What? Since when do cell towers cause brain tumors? We can't even decide if cell phones cause them, and people hold those right up to their heads.
Mobile is using these anecdotes as evidence that mobile carriers should be able to retain control over the applications and devices on their network to ensure quality of service for all users. Do they have a point?
No. If they have a problem, they should fix their network. Hands off my goddamn pocket computer.
I see a disturbing trend here. T-Mobile has (since the release of the G1) been the friendliest carrier around, when it comes to data usage and so forth. They also were very supportive of customers wanting to use third-party Android firmware (like Cyanogen.) Now the G2 won't let you do that, and they're pulling Verizon-like BS stats to justify limiting their smartphones to crapware-laden pieces of crap.
If they keep it up, they'll lose my business. Granted, I don't like Sprint, and sure as hell don't want AT&T or Verizon. But you know what? A smartphone is not an essential requirement of life. Granted, there are a lot of young people who will disagree with me. I like having one, but if the price is to be jerked around on a chain by my provider, it's not worth it.
"nowhere near as devastating as a drunk-while-under-the-influence."
Is there a "typing-while-under-the-influence" offense around here?
Not unless you're talking about driving and texting at the same time.
It's funny how the labels and all the rest of the copyright lobby want to move the policing of pirated material to ISP's and search-providers and not to pay for it. I guess it's a bit of a rude awakening to have to start paying for things when you have had a free ride for decades.
Exactly the same organisations complain about the "we want content for free" attitude of consumers. Yet they themselves demand everybody work for them for free. Oh the irony ... juicy, delicious irony.
Ironic perhaps, and definitely hypocritical. Not to mention sociopathic.
That's a bargain, considering with each link they lose billions and billions of dollars.
No, billions is a readily quantifiable value. They don't want that, because then people might ask them to prove how much they lose. So instead, they lose either gazillions or bazillions, whichever is greater.
apple went even further getting rid of the battery cover as well.
Thereby getting rid of me as a customer.
Sadly he would get a new one. I can't stand anything apple, but to him they can do no wrong. It's a mindset I can't quite fathom of someone who apart from that is a reasonably sane person.
The human mind is capable of maintaining such dichotomies with relative ease. The physicist who knows more about how the Universe works than most, for example, who still believes in an immanent God who influences his daily existence. Our ability to reconcile and compartmentalize completely contrary positions is the root of much evil in the world. You would think it would cause brain damage ... well, maybe it does.
CyanogenMod is pretty awesome and it is available for most Android phones so you don't need to wait for the carrier updates.
Uhuh. So if I hack my Android phone, I can control it. And that's better than if I hack my iPhone so I can control it.
Seriously, you fandroids are the most oddly hypocritical lot I've come across in a long time...
Yes, it is. And you're missing the point entirely.
Cyanogenmod is not a "hack". It's a major development project having extremely close ties with the lead Android developers at Google. Like the stock Android, it's a completely open source project, with some rather capable developers contributing to it. More interestingly, much of the work that Steve Kondik and his team release ends up in the main development branch at Google. That benefits ALL Android users, not just the lucky few that actually run Cyanogenmod. Unlike the vast majority of open source projects, this one really is working, and working well. Can Steve Jobs say that? Will he ever be able to say that? Rhetorical question. And that's okay, because Apple people generally want a limited appliance controlled by what they insist upon perceiving as a benevolent entity. Nevertheless, not everyone has the same priorities that you do. Some of us see our smartphones as true pocket computers. Consequently, we don't accept artificial limitations upon their functionality any more than you would accept Steve Jobs telling you want you can (and cannot!) do with your Macintosh.
So, if you want to compare "jailbreaking" your shiny iPhone with "rooting" your more practical and functional Android device, I'll go along with it. Dismissing a project like Cyanogenmod as "hacking", well, it kinda makes you look like a typical Apple fanboy, e.g. someone who is incapable of recognizing defects in the products he chooses to buy, and while simultaneously decrying those of other people.
As a matter of fact, Apple fanboys are frequently the most ignorant (as well as hypocritical) lot I've come across yet, with the possible exception of Congress.
my iPad Touch... in its second year [of] battery capacity
Really?!
What ... you can't touch an iPad?
Also from TFA:
In SquareTrade's previous study comparing smart phone reliability from November 2008, we found iPhones to be far more reliable than Blackberrys and Palm Treos. We will be updating this report soon, and we'll have data on the latest Android phone models. It may yet be seen that even with the double glass, the iPhone has an overall failure rate that is still better than the competition.
They may or may not be more reliable. That's not the same thing as saying they're more durable, which is what this discussion is about.
You do realize that the entire face of every single model of iPhone is one plate of glass, right? Its not like a flip phone or candybar where the screen is embedded and behind a bezel that is 25% of the width/height of the phone on all sides.
I will refer you to option "c" of my original missive: suckers that got sold a mechanically inferior product. .
Flamebait? This whole discussion is about how the phone breaks more easily than the previous generation. Come on, iPhone-using mods, let's be intellectually honest here. You just modded me down because I slammed your choice of smart phone, not because I was flaming anyone.
The electrons were kidnapped, imprisoned and for all we know used for immoral purposes by being forced to download 4chan. Thats no way to treat a bunch of 14 billion year old atomic particles. The UN should so something about this. Please, won't anybody think about the fermions?
No kidding. One of those apartment (pardon me, "flat") dwellers might very well have been viewing child porn.
My iphone screen is much harder than my other cell phone screen (samsung). The samsung is scratching - the iphone is still glossy.
So being harder, it may shatter when the phone is dropped the wrong way.
Engineering tradeoff. I'd rather have a slightly less brittle screen and put a protector over it, personally.
I broke the screen on my HTC Tytn 2 I had it in my front pocket when I was out paintballing and it took one to the screen, can't think of any way I could break it in normal use. New screen cost me £35, cheaper than the insurance would have been if I'd taken it out
I'm waiting for the hero in some action movie to get shot and fall to the ground, only to pull out his smartphone to find the round stuck in it.
I don't even know what this "study" is trying to conclude.
Me neither.
My Samsung Moment Android phone also has one piece of glass. I recently dropped it on an asphalt parking lot while getting in my car, directly on the face at least 3-4 feet. It didn't break. It wasn't even scratched.
That may be, but I'm betting you went "oooohhhh ssshhhiiiittttt!!!!!!!!" in slooowwwww motion as the phone spun through the air and landed flat on its face. You were lucky there, I think: if it had hit on an angle you might have done more damage. But yeah, I don't consider Apple products to be particularly durable when compared to some, maybe even most, other smartphone makers. Don't know why: considering what they charge for the things you'd think they could use sturdier materials.
What the fuck do iPhone owners do with their phones? Crack open coconuts with them?
Try REALLY hard to shove their iPhone into their incredibly tight hipster jeans? ;)
I actually own one, but I just couldn't resist.
Yes, and I appreciate that rarity of rarities ... an Apple owner with a sense of humor. Keep up the good work.
Could it have something to do with the fact your nicad-powered monster only had a screen ~1 sq. inch, coupled with the fact that it was (probably) some kind of impact-resistant plastic?
iPhones - how I hate typing that - and newer phones have, big glass screens. Toughened or not it's a lot easier to crack a piece of glass than it is plastic that's 1/10th the size.
For my two-penneth I'd say it's because we're used to them now; the novelty has worn off and we just aren't taking as much care of them as we used to.
I tend to think that Apple just doesn't care about durability as much as some other makers. HTC, for one, seems to do a damn fine job of making phones that are very hard to kill, especially when compared to the likes of an iPhone. Jobs & Co., on the other hand, know that their clientele will buy iPhones no matter what. That's mainly, I believe, because they are so shiny.
You do realize that the entire face of every single model of iPhone is one plate of glass, right? Its not like a flip phone or candybar where the screen is embedded and behind a bezel that is 25% of the width/height of the phone on all sides.
I will refer you to option "c" of my original missive: suckers that got sold a mechanically inferior product. .
What the fuck do iPhone owners do with their phones? Crack open coconuts with them? I've been using cellular phones since they came in bags and ran off nicads and lead-acid batteries, and I have never managed to break a screen. I mean, sure, cell phones are portable electronics and thus delicate to a degree, but exercise a modicum of care and they should last a while.
I think iPhone owners are one or more of the following: a. careless individuals who regularly drop their phones onto concrete, b. people who frequently beat on their phones out of frustration with Market policies and/or AT&T's network, or c. suckers that got sold an mechanically inferior product.
There are other pigeonholes, but that'll get you started.
Otherwise it will assume the role its detractors have often accused of it; the COBOL of our day.
So it will be wildly successful with billions of lines of code still in use powering a ton of the infrastructure that modern-day business relies on?
Shhh!
Can somebody more familiar with Java and the overall Java scene clue us in as to whether this is a good thing?
Meme-mongers: Imagine a Beowulf cluster of that array! Meta-commentators: (Present company excluded, well not really) Timothy! MAFIAACS: Oh great, they just copyrighted my gum-popping sounds. Insightful curmudgeons: Given sufficient sensitivity, this could be done with a tetrahedral array--50 years. Now, get off my lawn!
Yeah, but does it run Linux?
You're not using the type of software they are trying to figure out the price for then. Software such as AdvantX (A medical software package) or Siriusware (A POS system used commonly by Theme parks and Ski Resorts and other places where they have ticket tracking/rentals/etc). Call either of those companies for support and you actually get quality support.
Yes. You'll mostly see that in vertical-market apps which serve critical business functions, have a limited market, and cost a lot of money. They also usually have support contracts, so you're paying for that support on top of the actual cost of the software itself. Consequently, they damn well better provide good service.