Is it really? I tried an installation of RHEL 7, which uses Gnome Classic. As far as I can tell, the only way this is the same as Gnome 2 is in screenshots. The first thing I tried with Gnome3 in RHEL 7 did not work: right click on the panel to add elements. I right clicked on the panel and nothing happened. FAIL!
Hold the left alt key and right click on the panel to add elements. This is a GTK3 default that can be changed.
So, yes some things moved. But the core functionality is the same, and that is what I needed.
Bullshit, and you'd know it was bullshit if you'd ever been to any of those countries. They refer to themselves by the name of their Nation, not the continent it's located on, just like pretty much everyone else on the planet does.
Actually, my personal favorite is Mexico where the word for norther visitor and the word for diarrhea is the same. Turista. And I guess you are right, as those European's don't seem to be on the same planet most of the time...
Stacking things by application, regardless of workflow is a serious impediment to some workflow. This is fact, not fear. If a change makes a job take 10% longer, it is a BAD CHANGE. This is something they never grasped. And while it may not be much of an issue for a home user or hobbyist, for people that use Linux on the job, it is major.
I don't think they're doing a good job but I'll be glad to donate to GNOME 2.
I wish I could. Gnome Flashback is Gnome 2 with the gtk3 under it. It is very good. But you can not only support it... https://wiki.gnome.org/Project...
If we honestly wanted to follow the Unix philosophy, we should add X11 to that list as well. There's nothing about X that follows the Unix philosophy any more.
Fucking patriarchal slime. How dare you bring your sexist views into an otherwise rational debate? As women, we have a right to exist too!
Only a woman would call the above rational...;) (That was a joke!)
In all seriousness, however, you demonstrated the problem clearly. The Gnome Foundation has a core competency of creating user interfaces. (I know! Gnome 3 and competence is a stretch, but stick with me a second.) I don't care if you are a guy, a girl, or a dude in a dress... I want good code. But, women's advocacy has nothing to do with putting out a good UI. A ton of money was wasted that did nothing for them at all! This is not anti-woman. This is anti "women's advocacy."
You could have said the same thing about Xfree86. They, like Gnome, lost sight of the user base. But Gnome did worse. The people they pissed off, Developers, power users, and large content workers, are the very ones most likely to contribute code and money. Belittling them for pointing out the flaws didn't help either. So if they go, it will cause some problems for a while, but we still have the KDE foundation, the Apache Foundation, and a ton of focused projects that no longer need a large "foundation" to support them.
But, if they pull their head out, and make amends with those folks, I think things can still be saved. Some more prominence and respect for Gnome Flashback would go a LONG way towards bringing people back.
Pay some respect to those who went before and the work they did.
They are getting the same respect they gave the users who did not appreciate a multi headed very expensive single view tablet as a computing platform. If there was ever a call for Nelson Muntz, this is it.
It also crams the numbers of everyone with an interest into "first day sales" figures. Be ready for the April 17th "Google sells a bazillion Google Glass in one day!" articles.
The most terrifying book I have ever read is "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Zone... If this gets out and goes global, it is THE END of civilization as we know it. I suspect a few more people might be following this than normal.
No ebola, while a very nasty and unpleasant disease isn't a "global killer" for the same reason it is so feared: it kills most* of it's victims and that in a relatively short time. That makes fast spreading of it very unlikely unlike other diseases like variants on the flu. That also makes it possible to contain outbreaks even on a larger scale: at worst a pure isolation of the affected people for some weeks is enough.
(* depending on strain, up to IIRC 90% lethality)
In todays world I can contact a lot of people in two weeks... Even without flying every day. One Liberian ambassadorial aid could really mess some stuff up.
The rest of the American ones. You know... Canada, Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, French Guyana, Ecuador, Peru, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Chili, Argentina, Uruguay, The Falklands, The Sandwich Islands... A lot of the world substitutes "Fucking" for "US" to separate us from the rest of the Americans.
Consider how fast the flue spreads with a faster onset... The only reason it has not gone global is that travel out of the regions with it so far can take a week or more. If you want to have a few sleepless nights, read "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. It is a true story of Ebola Rushton... http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Zone...
The most terrifying book I have ever read is "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Zone... If this gets out and goes global, it is THE END of civilization as we know it. I suspect a few more people might be following this than normal.
I thought it went away years ago! I tried to sign up, and eventually went to no-ip... I still use them for free, but several clients I have referred have paid. Dyn lost that business...
Slashdot Mirror
They are just waiting for a blog to get a million hits, and they they are ON IT!
I agree, but the Gnome 3 fallback/classic mode is quite nice. I like it.
I too love Gnome Flashback. And it would not exist if a developer from Edubuntu had not come in to take it over...
Is it really? I tried an installation of RHEL 7, which uses Gnome Classic. As far as I can tell, the only way this is the same as Gnome 2 is in screenshots. The first thing I tried with Gnome3 in RHEL 7 did not work: right click on the panel to add elements. I right clicked on the panel and nothing happened. FAIL!
Hold the left alt key and right click on the panel to add elements. This is a GTK3 default that can be changed.
So, yes some things moved. But the core functionality is the same, and that is what I needed.
Bullshit, and you'd know it was bullshit if you'd ever been to any of those countries. They refer to themselves by the name of their Nation, not the continent it's located on, just like pretty much everyone else on the planet does.
Actually, my personal favorite is Mexico where the word for norther visitor and the word for diarrhea is the same. Turista. And I guess you are right, as those European's don't seem to be on the same planet most of the time...
Stacking things by application, regardless of workflow is a serious impediment to some workflow. This is fact, not fear. If a change makes a job take 10% longer, it is a BAD CHANGE. This is something they never grasped. And while it may not be much of an issue for a home user or hobbyist, for people that use Linux on the job, it is major.
Have you checked out Gnome Flashback? https://wiki.gnome.org/Project...
I don't think they're doing a good job but I'll be glad to donate to GNOME 2.
I wish I could. Gnome Flashback is Gnome 2 with the gtk3 under it. It is very good. But you can not only support it... https://wiki.gnome.org/Project...
If we honestly wanted to follow the Unix philosophy, we should add X11 to that list as well. There's nothing about X that follows the Unix philosophy any more.
Here you go. http://xfree86.sourceforge.net...
Actually, Gnome Flashback is very good. If I could donate to just it, I would!
How can this have been modded "informative"? It is a stupid sexist and homophobic attack.
Because accuracy also counts.
Fucking patriarchal slime. How dare you bring your sexist views into an otherwise rational debate? As women, we have a right to exist too!
Only a woman would call the above rational... ;) (That was a joke!)
In all seriousness, however, you demonstrated the problem clearly. The Gnome Foundation has a core competency of creating user interfaces. (I know! Gnome 3 and competence is a stretch, but stick with me a second.) I don't care if you are a guy, a girl, or a dude in a dress... I want good code. But, women's advocacy has nothing to do with putting out a good UI. A ton of money was wasted that did nothing for them at all! This is not anti-woman. This is anti "women's advocacy."
Gnome 4?
You could have said the same thing about Xfree86. They, like Gnome, lost sight of the user base. But Gnome did worse. The people they pissed off, Developers, power users, and large content workers, are the very ones most likely to contribute code and money. Belittling them for pointing out the flaws didn't help either. So if they go, it will cause some problems for a while, but we still have the KDE foundation, the Apache Foundation, and a ton of focused projects that no longer need a large "foundation" to support them.
But, if they pull their head out, and make amends with those folks, I think things can still be saved. Some more prominence and respect for Gnome Flashback would go a LONG way towards bringing people back.
Pay some respect to those who went before and the work they did.
They are getting the same respect they gave the users who did not appreciate a multi headed very expensive single view tablet as a computing platform. If there was ever a call for Nelson Muntz, this is it.
It also crams the numbers of everyone with an interest into "first day sales" figures. Be ready for the April 17th "Google sells a bazillion Google Glass in one day!" articles.
Hooray for artificial scarcity!
dyac
I predict a low posts count.
The most terrifying book I have ever read is "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Zone... If this gets out and goes global, it is THE END of civilization as we know it. I suspect a few more people might be following this than normal.
No ebola, while a very nasty and unpleasant disease isn't a "global killer" for the same reason it is so feared: it kills most* of it's victims and that in a relatively short time. That makes fast spreading of it very unlikely unlike other diseases like variants on the flu. That also makes it possible to contain outbreaks even on a larger scale: at worst a pure isolation of the affected people for some weeks is enough.
(* depending on strain, up to IIRC 90% lethality)
In todays world I can contact a lot of people in two weeks... Even without flying every day. One Liberian ambassadorial aid could really mess some stuff up.
What country uses the expression "US American"?
The rest of the American ones. You know... Canada, Mexico, Belize, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, Colombia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, French Guyana, Ecuador, Peru, Brazil, Bolivia, Paraguay, Chili, Argentina, Uruguay, The Falklands, The Sandwich Islands... A lot of the world substitutes "Fucking" for "US" to separate us from the rest of the Americans.
Consider how fast the flue spreads with a faster onset... The only reason it has not gone global is that travel out of the regions with it so far can take a week or more. If you want to have a few sleepless nights, read "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. It is a true story of Ebola Rushton... http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Zone...
I predict a low posts count.
The most terrifying book I have ever read is "The Hot Zone" by Richard Preston. http://www.amazon.com/Hot-Zone... If this gets out and goes global, it is THE END of civilization as we know it. I suspect a few more people might be following this than normal.
Me too... Ever since Dyn made it too hard to use them. Frankly, it was so hard to find that I thought the free service was already gone.
Just host your ready-to-sell dynamic DNS service on AWS, and you can bring up new ones the day you sell the old one. :)
It all depends on the conversion factor. What is the uptake of paid users from free accounts vs paid users outright?
I thought it went away years ago! I tried to sign up, and eventually went to no-ip... I still use them for free, but several clients I have referred have paid. Dyn lost that business...