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The GNOME Foundation Is Running Out of Money
An anonymous reader writes "The GNOME Foundation is running out of money. The foundation no longer has any cash reserves so they have voted to freeze non-essential funding for running the foundation. They are also hunting down sponsors and unpaid invoices to regain some delayed revenue. Those wishing to support the GNOME Foundation can become a friend of GNOME."
One can only hope.
Since they drove away all of their old friends by ignoring any and all criticisms of their design changes.
they haven't listened to customers for years...of course money will dry up and people will move on.
It may be the result of changes between gnome 2 and 3 GUI. What do You think?
Your broke.
Maybe GNOME will dry up and wither away, and most likely MATE will survive - because MATE is the GNOME people want.
What you hear in the ear, preach from the rooftop Matthew 10.27b
get rid of both GNOME and KDE, and make XFCE behave itself and Linux might start acting more in line with the Unix philosophy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
Move on, nothing to see here.
That's what happens when management uses organization to push their private political views, rather than simply ensuring usability of software they should care of. GNOME's Karen Sandler single-handedly killed GNOME.
Fuck 'em. They made the desktop environment require the monstrosity that is systemd, so I don't care if they go away entirely. GNOME was decent in the 2 series, though still never managed to not be buggy; when they moved to 3, everything went downhill HARD. Terrible UI changes that almost no one wanted, and then forcing systemd as a required dependency.
You did it to yourselves. Go become irrelevant. Viva la Fluxbox!
I know that some here on Slashdot will be at a loss for sympathy for the project being in such dire circumstance. However, the key thing that some should remember is that a lot of what the GNOME hackers do, goes into the base for many other projects as well. Much of Linux Mint is an eclectic mix of Ubuntu and GNOME. Likewise for Elementary OS.
So while we might be able to argue if this project has finally run its course, which I do want to add that the foundation running out of reserves hardly equates to the death knell for GNOME. One of the things we shouldn't do, or at least it would be in a very short sighted, is think that the actual GNOME Desktop and how ... "not so great," they've ran that ship plays into all of this. Agreed, the people in the project have become quite hard headed, but honestly which OSS project hasn't by now? However, there are a lot of people (Canonical *cough, cough*) who find their software very useful and hardly give anything back, at least to the foundation.
PS: Being using beta now for a month plus some. I honestly think it is getting better but it does need quite a bit more work. I guess I just wanted to add that after seeing all the f*** beta sigs.
Those wishing to support the GNOME Foundation can become a friend of GNOME.
Yeah, no.
I went to XFCE straight after the first release of GNOME 3, and I haven't looked back since.
Unlink yourself from systemd.
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
If we honestly wanted to follow the Unix philosophy, we should add X11 to that list as well. There's nothing about X that follows the Unix philosophy any more.
I started using GNOME at version 1.4 and I really liked it. I followed the development of GNOME 2 closely and was very excited when it was finally released. I spent a lot of time checking the code out of CVS and building it before 2.0. The thing is, I was just a kid back then, I didn't have $25 for a mousepad even though I would have happily supported the project. I remember looking at the website when I was like 17 thinking how awesome it would be to have a GNOME tshirt or some kind of GNOME swag.
Fast forward a few years... Today, I could easily donate $500 but I'm not going to, since I don't use GNOME anymore. When GNOME 3 was released, my disappointment was colossal. I had to completely re-think my desktop - if it was going to change so drastically that I'd have to relearn everything, it might as well be change that made sense. So I switched to a tiling window manager called i3. If i3 project ever needs money, I'll give it to them.
But not GNOME. Sorry guys. I guess this is what happens when you alienate your users and let "user experience"-crap-level developers infiltrate your project.
You make a product that no one wants to use? You die as an organization. Fair enough.
For those of us who wish to hasten the death of GNOME, is there anything we can do?
How dare mere fucking USERS question Great Art???
Defund GNOME until the "leadership" is gone. Perhaps people who give a shit will fork it.
I'm a little curious, why you bring up the link to systemd? Is it because it prevents the stack from running on BSD?
"The GNOME Foundation staff and board fell behind in their processes with being overwhelmed by administering OPW. GNOME's Outreach Program for Women is explained as "The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." They've had around 30 interns for their most recent cycle."
Let me translate. They were fucking off by diverging from the core project into recreational political activities unrelated to their mission.
I completely support the idea of such outreach, but if you don't have your core in order then they are best done elsewhere.
If you saw off the branch you were sitting on you have no place to seat the new folks you wanted to include.
There is no kind way to put it. GNOME fucked up due to willful stupidity. They'll see not a dime from me.
But Gnome 3 is unusable. It's been unusable since inception, and it still cuts me to pieces when I have a nice fresh install of Linux and it's buggered up by Gnome 3 making it completely unusable. Microsoft came in for tons of criticism because they removed the Start menu in Windwos 8, and look, two years later, it's back in 8.1. The Gnome Foundation came in for tons of criticism because they took all the usable bits of Gnome 2 and put them in the bin to produce Gnome 3. And now, five years later, Gnome 3 is still exactly the same. I think running out of money and going out of business is a position that the Gnome foundation has struggled hard to achieve. But, by gosh, they've done it.
"Is the Chief Priest an Offlian? Do dragons explode in the wood?"
Unfortunately Gnome 3 pushed me back to ovlwm and xfce. I have a feeling there are a significant number of users (and posters in this thread) in my situation.
It's a little sad because a few years ago, the Linux Desktop was really really great (especially with Gnome 2 + compiz fusion). These days, I really don't feel that way. I wish I could get myself to like KDE.
Wasn't Sun the primary funder of Gnome development?
A sucker is born every minute, I guess.
I just hoped to see the day when Gnome had removed all the features they categorized as useless or distracting and the whole desktop environment would simplified to a black screen. But too bad, they used money faster than they could mess with the desktop. Hopefully the "designers" of Gnome are not moving now to other projects..
Incompetents like Karen Sandler who squandered funds on her pet sexual politics project are why GNOME should be defunded..
The PEOPLE who let this happen deserve to be punished for betraying the user base and deliberately wasting donated money on bullshit.
Those of you who don't suck, jump ship and code for a program which deserves it. The "leadership" will have GNOME on their resumes and no one where they hire
on next will remember their fuckups.
Thanks for nothing Karen. You contribute nothing to women and cis people by conforming to the stereotype!
The basic mental malfunction that leads from Gnome3 from Gnome2 is the same as the one that lead from Gnome1 to 2. I guess not as many people used unix key-bindings and window manager choice as some of the things they have broken more recently, but I did and the project has been dead to me ever since they made it clear they broke those things on purpose and would stick by that decision.
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Too bad non-profits can't benefit from this ;)
-Alex. http://bit.ly/1iVPtfA
I'm still burnt from the 2.x to 3.x UI changes. I'd be happier if they kept the 2.x look but improved the underpinnings of the Gnome system. Between XFCE and Cinnamon I'm not really concerned about Gnome anymore. Honestly I'd rather see more resources go in to one of those two than Gnome.
~~ Behold the flying cow with a rail gun! ~~
Oh Gno! Gnome more Gmoney? What else is Gnu?
I used to use and donate to Gnome, but they kept on making it less and less configurable, or hiding configuration options in arcane places. I switched over to the KDE project that's the last poweruser desktop standing, and they get all my donations now. It's not a huge amount of money compared to what a big company could donate, but if I'm gonna support something, it won't be a desktop that charged off the cliff of dumb-it-all-down.
Gnome3 might be fine for my grandmother. It's not fine for me. KDE stumbled a little around KDE4, but has picked up the ball and run with it since then.
it was A woman who ruined the gnome foundation, Robin Stormy Peters, Chairwoman and her sleazey toadie assistant David "Lefty" Schlesinger who was paid by the ACCESS corporation to sit on this board and troll RMS and otherwise spread ignorance and chaos
Robin Peters is the finest in Corporate Whore there is, she isn't much else...
Temper this with the fact that I'm one of the few people who actually like Gnome 3, enough that I switched from Ubuntu to Fedora just to not have to replace Unity. But, fine, people are angry that they didn't respect their user base, when what their user base wanted was yet another rehash of the win 95 desktop layout. The Gnome developers actually tried to do something new in desktop UIs, they actually tried to innovate. And as with any innovation, some of the things they did worked, and some didn't. Gnome 3.0 had a lot of problems, but the potential was there and some of us saw it. As of Gnome 3.8 there is a ton more polish. And a lot of that polish came from user feedback. No they didn't listen to feedback that said "Bring back Gnome 2! No change evar!" They just continued to refine what they had. And they laid down a ton of backend libraries that allowed things like Cinnamon to exist. If they had adopted Cinnamon as one of a few official skins for Gnome 3, would people support them then? Because in terms of development there wouldn't be any change. Some devs continue to work on the new UI, some devs on the rehashed old UI, many on the shared core. Just like today.
I'm going to go contribute to a project that has done amazing things for open source.
it was a woman who ruined the gnome foundation, Robin Stormy Peters, Chairwoman along with her sleazy toadie assistant David "Lefty" Schlesinger aka 'stonemirror' (well known stalker and troll) who was paid by the ACCESS corporation to sit on this board and troll RMS . He otherwise spread ignorance and chaos, his role as a marketing creep paid to slime RMS because ACCESS was failing to come up with a closed mobile OS to compete with Android.
Robin Peters is the finest in Corporate Whore there is, she isn't much else though... she is over tanking Mozilla now.
This woman is the deadliest weapon against Free Software there is.
I guess, once GNOME Foundation is gone, we'll see whether it is really contributing much. It's not like they pay the salaries of all the GNOME hackers.
Karen is not responsible, the blame lies on her corporate cock fondling predecessor Robin "Stormy" Peters, who is idiocy and incompetence personified.
For those of us who wish to hasten the death of GNOME, is there anything we can do?
Yes. Contribute money so they don't change the way they do business.
After I realized that no matter what the existing user base would say, the GNOME 3 developers weren't going to make Gnome Shell suitable for the good old desktop work flow (besides making it impossible to have GNOME 2 installed together with the new version ...), I started looking elsewhere. I tried several desktop environments, and then sticked to Cinnamon, a "no nonsense, it just works" shell based on the Gnome libraries.
What I noticed almost immediately was that, in spite of the GNOME devs making fun of people jumping ship and waving them goodbye, Linux Mint received more donation money in a month than GNOME in 5-6.
So there you go guys, people have voted with their feet deserting you, and with their wallets funding other, more worthwile open source projects: I'm tempted to help, just because Cinnamon is based on Gnome libraries, but the conclusion is that you reap what you have sown. No sympathy from this ex-GNOME user.
Rehdon
...cockup like Gnome 3?
As much as people harp about all the pitfalls of Gnome 3, there is one element of open-source software that the Gnome foundation is spearheading. Linux GUI accessibility started off in Gnome, and the desktop is still the most blind-accessible desktop environment out there. Orca is still the only Linux graphical screen reader, and Gnome is still the leading maintainer of the accessibility stack (AT-SPI/ATK). So as much as Gnome 3 might suck, it'd be a great loss to the Linux community to see the Gnome foundation go. I've been using Linux as my primary OS for several years, and that wouldn't have been possible without Gnome's contribution to Linux accessibility.
I'm not.
Lisias@Earth.SolarSystem.OrionArm.MilkyWay.Local.Virgo.Universe.org
Good. Perhaps they shouldn't have released such a pile of rubbish and totally ignored what their USERS actually want. They could have - gasp - ASKED people what they wanted, rather than just designing one of the worst user interfaces ever, and then forcing it onto people... Idiots.
First - I do like GNOME - I even like GNOME 3.
The problem is that instead of fixing lots of bugs they added new and removed usefull features (F3 from nautilus, eth from NM applet etc. etc.).
In addition they waste money for "Outreach Program for Women" instead of concentrating on the GNOME quality....
Sure they won't see a dime from me...
For those of us who wish to hasten the death of GNOME, is there anything we can do?
Yes. Contribute money so they don't change the way they do business.
Agreed; bail them out. They will not learn any lesson from their poor decisions and will perpetuate them.
This same divergence from their core mission was responsible for the downfall of Mandriva who spent their IPO money on "remote learning" technologies and abandoned their community of loyal users to "do it their own way" because they "knew better".
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
linux user here.
used kde3 and gnome 2. don't like gnom3 at all.
the "dick" move was to continue using same (library etc.) filenames in gnome3 as in gnome2.
this made the co-existence of gnome 2 and gnom3 on the same computer impossible.
fortunately some nice person renamed all the gnome2 files so that now MATE and gnom3 can co-exist
on the same computer (why would you do that anyway?).
also a "dick" move was by distros to move to "oh shinny, new" gnome3 waaayyy to early.
as mentioned above, the impossibility of g2 and g3 co-existing on same computer forced distros hand
to abandon gnome 2 and move to gnome 3 to still look "new and improved".
Reading thru above comments i was also wondering why this "systemD" ever got a foot hold and now i know.
so gnome3 gave us a shitty desktop metaphor AND a irrelevant SSD-world fast booting systemD?
if not for above i would have said that everybody has the right to program anything and experiment but ...
with this tactical maneuvering to make gnome2 and gnome3 incompatible and shove systemD down peoples throats
i'm hoping this politics and...? dies : ))
In a better world the user would have had the choice to try gnome3 on the same computer with gnome2 AND try systemD...
I'm not. Sadly, this is precisely what happens when non technicians do technical decisions on a tech Foundation.
Gnome Desktop 2 was one of the main reason I jumped ship from Windows and spend 2 excelent years developing on a Linux box. Almost everything just works, and the few that didn't, I managed to tweak it into production with little effort - I'm a tech guy, after all.
And then came Gnome Desktop 3. And I decided that the migration efforts would be better spent on MacOS X - that I'm using since that days. No regrets.
I think the time for a MATE Foundation has come. :-)
This is a screaming message to every Open Source Foundation around (yes, Mozilla, I'm talking to you): do what your users *NEED* you to do, not what your non techies "advisors" *want* you to do.
There's no space on a tech industry for "politically correct" tech solutions that doesn't cut it!
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.p...
Lisias@Earth.SolarSystem.OrionArm.MilkyWay.Local.Virgo.Universe.org
Sorry I've gone to MATE. Gnome is getting less and less user configureable.
As Gnome sucks badly anyways, this is not an issue. The only problem that could arise is if an evil NSA-friendly corporation like Red Hat takes over development.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Users might be more inclined to support them if they stopped ignoring what users want.
Well looking at Gnome's website. The problem seems to be mainly cash flow not so much a huge drop in funding. What they are saying is that OPW (outreach for women has been popular beyond expectations, they are spending more than expected and not everyone is paying their invoices).
So what you see is:
Invoicing our Advisory Board members for their annual subscription fees
Invoicing our conference sponsors
Following up on unpaid invoices more actively
Taking on the Executive Director's administrative and fundraising duties
Invoicing the OPW sponsoring organizations for the upcoming round immediately
Increasing our general fundraising efforts for the Foundation and its events
Some of the OPW administrative workload is being shifted from Foundation employees to the OPW organizing team
Which is basically a cash flow problem. If there were domestic this would be an easy problem to solve by borrowing against receivables. For an international charity I'm not sure what the rules are.
Aren't they also tied to the GIMP? I'm more worried about GIMP running out of money. That is what what little they get.
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Being honest, they only seem to be developing Gnome 3 for themselves and the few loyal users that remain with them. They are not interested in the rest of the community using Gnome anymore, they sent that message clearly several times, and we the past users understood. Yet, they ask for money with the excuse that some of the components are being used by other environments and/or applications.
I don't personally mind at this point if gnome dies, they should have seen what happened to KDE 4 and take note. They should have see what happened with Windows 8 and read the writing on the wall. Even Microsoft has changed course by now while Gnome is still heading to irrelevance.
If I were in their shoes, I'd simply change course, post a public apology, announce Gnome 4 and bring back everything that users are missing. That should give them enough support to stay alive. I'm sure there is still time for them. But as I said before, I don't think they even care so let them die.
this is obvious: KDE.
What a bunch of selfish people who don't see the big picture. Right now there are gnome derivatives and KDE derivatives in desktop Linux. If gnome is in trouble then more than half of desktop Linux is in trouble. They're the glue that is keeping it all together.
Regardless of how we feel about GNOME 3, we should donate out of principle (in my opinion, of course). I use and depend on GNOME - in one form or another - everyday, so I will be donating ASAP. It won't be much, but it's more than they have now.
HEY ARKER, HAVE YOU EVER NOTICED HOW ANNOYING IT IS WHEN A POSTER DECIDES TO USE NONSTANDARD FORMATTING DUE TO THEIR OWN IDIOSYNCRATIC PROCLIVITIES? JUST WONDERING...
You know, because Slashdot doesn't have a "excise Arker's comments from all threads" feature. And no, I shouldn't have to code a greasemonkey script to fix your formatting while still allowing others to use the code tag judiciously/responsibly.
Basically, you're abusing the forum in a way that user stylesheets cannot fix. I don't care about your perspective on slashcode "littering your posts with tags".
You're like the guy who gets falling down drunk at a wedding reception. Are you intentionally trying to act out and be a dick to everyone merely to get your jollies?
It's definitely the hardware or the graphics driver, I've only had that problem when I was trying to use the official AMD driver. Basically it's a legacy card and if I forgot and upgraded to a newer version of the kernel, it would prevent the driver from loading and Cinnamon would wind up in fallback mode. Since I switched to the opensource driver that deals with current revisions of the kernel, I haven't had that happen even once.
My guess is that the drivers are the problem here which is why updates to Cinnamon make no difference.
This is basically what they deserve for perpetrating Gnome 3. The why behind it isn't as important as the moral lesson. Cramming unwanted changes down people's throats backfires. Microsoft is backpeddling as fast as they can on Win8, Gnome is going broke, and Ubuntu is fading into irrelevance.
In Putin's Russia she'd be killed. When you steal someone's money you steal their time. This woman stole alot of men's time. Russia is a better place. Perhaps they'll have some mercy on us. In response to the comment that "doesn't exist": Robin Stormy Peters (0) Anonymous Coward | 2 hours ago | (#46740551) it was A woman who ruined the gnome foundation, Robin Stormy Peters, Chairwoman and her sleazey toadie assistant David "Lefty" Schlesinger who was paid by the ACCESS corporation to sit on this board and troll RMS and otherwise spread ignorance and chaos Robin Peters is the finest in Corporate Whore there is, she isn't much else...
I actually use gnome 3, and I'd hate to see it gone. I think even with its problems, its the future.
Sure they made some bad decisions.
>"The Outreach Program for Women (OPW) helps women (cis and trans) and genderqueer get involved in free and open source software." They've had around 30 interns for their most recent cycle.
I agree with the fact that someone needs to do this, but a desktop like gnome shouldn't be burdend. Why can't all the wealthy philanthropers with lots of money pay for these girls, instead of making a broke non for profit do it.
Or why can't be just start a foundation to teach minorities and women to code, funded by itself?
Lat me get this right (from their wiki page):
GNOME, as the lead organization, has been responsible for managing the finances for the entire effort. However, as the program grew, the processes did not keep up. The changes were not tracked effectively from the point when other organizations joined the OPW. This impacted not only our ability to manage the OPW administration, but also to keep up with the core financial tasks of the Foundation -- tasks which already needed the full attention of the Foundation's employees and the board.
So other organizations accepted liabilities which were automatically transferred to GNOME Foundation? or they plainly lost track? Or they did not caclulate before what limit for accepting students there is?
Or WHAT?
Did they - by spending money on a side track -fuck up an organization which should - given the situation about people not bein happy with they main project - focus on stakeholder management? I mean it's not like that job is not important for the FOSS community. And wo me it seems that the exeution of the job leaves some things to be desired.
GNOME was created as a lie and should die now when people no longer believe their false statements about KDE and (L)GPL.
It also offers nothing and is technologically inferior (GTK-).
Qt is the future and the desktop environment using it already exists.
Time to support KDE and kill this GUANO.
Gnome has become an abysmal piece of drek not worth the effort of spitting on. The only reason I ever use it is because some configuration options for various distros are only released for the Gnome desktops on those distros. I use KDE day to day, with the sole exception of the Rhythmbox music player (which itself is just a "lesser of evils" choice -- every Linux music player I've tried sucks in some way or other.)
Gnome 2 was usable. I liked Gnome 2. I would have happily stuck with Gnome 2 and reasonable enhancements to it.
But nooooooo, the development team for the Gnome project knew "better" than everyone else how a computer should operate. They totally screwed the power user with Gnome 3, creating an unholy abortion that doesn't work well with mouse and keyboard and doesn't work well with a touchscreen. It is the worst of "both worlds", and even implements a number of widget metaphors that testing showed people didn't like as far back as 1990.
The Gnome dev team is full of egotistical idiots, and I, for one, can't wait to see them all hit the curb.
The software is open source. If the project dies, the useful bits will be picked up and forked, and all the drek they've shoved down user's throats can wither away and die a horrible, painful, screaming death as far as I'm concerned.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
KDE originally had serious licensing problems via Qt. Those problems only got fixed when Nokia bought them.
A second problem with KDE and Qt is its continued use of non-standard C++. In fact, just doing GUI development in any C++-based toolkit is a crime people should get shot for.
At this point, both desktops are technically completely obsolete and should be retired.
There is simply no end to the complaining about the latest GNOME desktop. It is exactly as Linus Torvalds said it was. It's an unholy abomination and most people don't want it. They should have kept the old desktop and offered an alternative to see how people wanted to go. But no. They just had to annoy the hell out of so many people. I want to say "let them die" but then I wonder what would happen with the GNOME2 stuff... is MATE being actively developed? If so maybe the likes of RedHat will shift over to supporting and developing MATE/GNOME2 again.
I don't know what KDE is like now, but I was seriously annoyed by KDE at first -- everything with a damned K in it and giant frikken icons that looked like they were designed by mechanical (excuse me, mekanikal) engineers. Maybe it's better now... who knows... I'm still kinda angry that GNOME betrayed the usership so badly.
In my experience, KDE4 problems were mostly huge and unavidable bugs, which caused crashes, slowness and weid behaviour. The workflow actually improved for me and the compositor allowed me to have dozens of windows open without havign to see them draw when I changed virtual desktops. I still use KDE, though feel the oxygen style is not much in style any more.
Gee, this can't have anything to do with the horrible piece of crap desktop UI called Unity? Can it?
I can verify this, APK posts off topic content about hosts files.
Change is certain; progress is not obligatory.
Sure, in the same way every other airline in the world owes much to Malaysian Air. Lost your luggage? At least they didn't lose the fucking plane. Major vulnerability that leaked private keys and passwords for two years? At least it's not GNOME.
Kasbar went away. Panel options like user hiding went away. KDE made design choices that negatively impacted my use (and now lack of use) with KDE. Wasn't that it was buggy, it became something that I didn't want, full stop.
in ManCoin.
fuck bloat.
I don't like gvfs shit, check it yo:
ps aux | grep gvfs
it's ugly, it's lame, too many things depend on it, one more reason NOT to use Gnome and Gnome apps which depend on GVFS!
Flux, Black, Openbox for the win.
Nobody wans Windows 8, but at least Microsoft is deeply committed to supporting the previous version well into the future.
I used Ubuntu on the desktop extensively in the past, but switched to Windows 7 for work convenience. Recently, I tried to go back... around version 12.10. Unity is total garbage, installing Gnome didn't help at all. KDE has an more classic looking environment, but it is otherwise generally a turd. They say us users are just stupid for not blindly embracing the new thing. Today, I still use Ubuntu extensively through the only useful interface it provides... BASH.
At this point I want to donate money to someone else, then send The Gnome Foundation a letter explaining how much, and why.
Lack of comprehension of this article seems to be pretty much the norm for those attempting to dance on Gnome's grave. Yes, it's very sad it's still not the 90s. Oh, well.
Read your employment agreement.
For many people, in many places, your employer does indeed own work done on your own time using your own resources.
At least according to the contract, but these have held up in a few cases.
The GNOME developers took a dump on its users.
Ubuntu's Unity is even worse - it is the most un-usuable user interface out there. At least Gnome 3.x is better. Not much. Even Microsoft pissed on its desktop and enterprise users just to have a mobile/tablet/phone interface. Now, Microsoft realizes that it was a bad mistake to piss off its bread and butter enterprise desktop users; they are putting desktop capabilities using a mouse and keyboard bacj. I think even Gnome has a classic mode for Gnome 3.x, but it really is not classic mode, it is Gnome 3.x with extensions/tweaks to make it look like Gnome 2.x. But, this basically still has Gnome flipping the bird at its desktop/mouse/keyboard users.
This is why Gnome Foundation is running out of money because no one is contributing to a wasteful effort of self appointed so called user interface experts (they're not really experts - they just think they are via hubris) who have been turning out horrible user interfaces.
Sure, you can bring Classic mode back, but you're basically shining and painting a t u r d.
It's almost as if GNOME and Unity and all of that are like a precursor to Obamacare or something.
Not quite. Gtk and Gnome appeared because Qt was originally proprietary. The reason why Gnome became "the default", though, was because enterprise distros like RedHat pushed for it - and that was because Gtk and Gnome were both LGPL, so closed-source software could link against them. This was not the case with Qt, which was open sourced for a long time, but was GPL rather than LGPL.
They've been part of the problem from the start.
They introduced one headache by creating a KDE/GNOME split, just when the Linux desktop had a chance of taking off. They coasted for a while and did well to be sure, but then they decide to introduce a tablet-style desktop which alienates users.
MATE is a fork of GNOME 2. It looks almost exactly like GNOME 2, but with some extra features. mate-desktop.org
I wonder if this situation will make them ask themselves "what has gone wrong"?
I'd suggest they should look into why they've pissed everybody off - I'm sure people will be forthcoming with answers. Here's a link with some basic responses.
And now she's landed a job as an executive director of the Software Freedom Conservancy . I wonder if its board members knew about the GNOME Foundation's financials difficulties prior to hiring her? And did the GNOME Foundation purposely keep this information from disclosure in order to not hurt Karen's chances with getting the SFC job? If I were a member of the SFC, I would demand some answers from Karen and the board members. The timing of the disclosue really stinks.
plus, if you donate to MATE, that will piss off the Gnome 3 developers, who deserve every ounce of anger you can impose upon them.
Hey, you hurt my feelings. I thought I always got a hat tip in the 'known and admitted trolls' category.
Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
But then GNOME 2 became really popular, when GNOME 3 came out, people said the same thing. What drives change is that technology doesn't stop. New hardware creates new ways to interact with it. You change, or you die. KDE, GNOME and others are all doing that because they have to. Every design has an end life. If you kept designing for XP, then all those people who grew up with tablets and touch interfaces are going to completely skip your desktop and move on to something else. If you want the mission to survive, Free Software then let at least one project continue to evolve with the times and build and design a user interface on par with direct competition with the big boys. We might do it slower and with more turbulence, but we are doing it. I know Apple is watching as is Microsoft.
KDE's problem is that distros just packaged it just because it was 4.0 even though it was advertised that it was a preview release.
Poor milionares :(
If I were in their shoes, I'd simply change course, post a public apology, announce Gnome 4 and bring back everything that users are missing. That should give them enough support to stay alive. I'm sure there is still time for them. But as I said before, I don't think they even care so let them die.
Or, hell, just add back most of the configuration options they removed from the system. I know a blank screen is trendy nowadays but sometimes I just want to look at a screensaver, y'know?
I'll become a friend of GNOME when they start listening to me, or anyone.
There was a time when they were open to criticism, to help, and even to patches.
this was before Gnome 3 was released.
since then they've been as hard to interact with as Microsoft - arbitrary nonsensical designs foisted on the public with no way to work with older, functional systems and little or no support for state management, and little or no support beyond some simple cosmetic levels for hardware newer than 1990s era desktops.
when you have devs and designer's saying its my way or no way ignoring the user base its no wonder they jump ship and take there bank cards with them. lets not forget the sexest ceo draining the bank account for her own agenda. kinda reminds me of xfree86 but worse. the effect on the nix world would hardly be felt Ubuntu will be switching to qt anyways we got project like mate bringing back the gnome 2 look and feel then you got kde xfce lxde e17 and yes even friggin unity.
As they say: With developers like these, who needs enemies ?
My health health insurance plan just got canceled for not being ACA approved, it did not have pediatric dental coverage. The ACA approved replacement (think same coverage limits/deductible/copay) costs around $600, when I was paying around $250 before. Good thing that the children I do not have will be covered at the dentist!
The only thing we know... [unprovable allegations which I am not even going to quote, lest they be misattributed to me]
No, we do *not* know any such thing.
I want to make it 100% clear that:
(a) I did *not* post this
(b) I *completely and utterly disavow* any statements contained therein that are not *a matter of public record*.
(c) I have no need or desire to make any false accusations against APK or anyone else. His record on the public WWW already speaks quite loudly for itself and thus there is no need for fabrication.
(d) I *completely and utterly disavow* any calls to harass APK (or anyone else) IRL. In fact, I am going to change my sig now, because I think I've made my point, and I do not want to be seen as inciting or encouraging such behaviour.
Perhaps you meant well, but *please* do not do this again. You are crossing an ethical and possibly legal line here, and you are *not* doing me any favours by doing so. The truth is already there to be seen by anyone who cares to look. And I do *not* want to be associated, directly or indirectly, with any allegations regarding APK's behaviour that cannot quickly and easily be proven by anyone with an Internet connection and a brain.
THANK YOU!
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
Seems I am in a minority, but I like gnome 3's simplicity. I don't like how much resources it consumes, but I can not have everything. I like gnome 2 as well, but I decided that I should not be wedded to any particular GUI and that I should use different ones to maintain awareness of strengths and weaknesses. I have used Unity, mate, gnome2, gnome3, xfce, kde (not so much) and I try others from time-to-time, but I seem to prefer gnome3 right now. If Gnome had supported both v2 and v3 I suspect no one would care, but they seemed to abandon v2 and that upset it's community. Gnome 3 does have a fallback mode that seems very close to v2 in look and feel - is this so bad?
I wont be donating, for the simple fact i dont want to promote bad programming.
You know the programming that requires a mass of "i'am not sure if i need this, but what the hell" dependencies.
You want me to fund you for that, and, ignoring your community?
Take a leaf out of LXDE's book. Care about optimizations and simple functionality. Thats all we want and all we need (oh yeah, and a UI for a PC, not a tablet).
They did it their own way and they did know better. It just so happened that their way led to failure.
Listen to your users.
http://michaelsmith.id.au
Everybody knows that gnomes have a cauldron filled with gold coins well hidden somewhere...
Don't both suse and red hat enterprise variants use Gnome as their default desktop? Don't they contribute to the project?
I actually like GNOME. And what you write is right!
But the developers of GNOME are constantly removing important and loved features and options. In most cases it looks like the responsible persons didn't build on the foundations, but instead destroy the foundations. Which than get replaced it by half-ready-look-at-my-self-esteem-projects!
* Nautilus: Find-As-You-Type (~Navigate-As-You-Type), Split-Screen, Empty-file
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=680118 # epic..
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676838
* Terminal: Transparency, Keep-Working-Directory
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=698544 # read between the lines and see the context: the feature was removed because the "current maintainer just didn't like it"
* Suspend-To-RAM (LID-CLOSE)
* Control-Center: File-dialog for choosing a wallpaper (Hell?! WTF! I have to use dconf or tweak-tool for this now)
Even if the community tries to fix it itself, the answer is that the developers want break even further things. Even the other developers seem not to like this:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=721968
Well partitally it looks like, that some of the developers noticed that they need to change the attitude inside the project:
http://blogs.gnome.org/sri/2014/01/01/strip-the-soul/
You :-)
To make it short for outsiders:
Not GNOME3 or GNOME-Shell are the problem, it critic is caused by what happend after GNOME 3.0 till now (especially GNOME 3.6 and GNOME 3.8).
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Sigh. Standard ignorant Slashdot commenting, perhaps you should read up about OPW before making stuff up.
Here's how it works. An organisation such as KDE decides to participate in OPW and so finds some sponsors to pay the US$5,500 stipend for each intern. In KDE's case we found one of our corporate sponsors who was willing to pay. The participating organisation collects the sponsorship money and pays this to the Gnome Foundation who then pays the interns. The Gnome Foundation also charges the participating organisation an admin fee to cover their expenses in running the program. There are at least 18 organisations who have participated in OPW in this way, including Mozilla, VideoLAN, Fedora, and the Linux Foundation. In the last round there were 30 interns from 8 organisations, only 3 interns were from Gnome.
There's two problems with this:
1) All the money passes through the Gnome Foundation accounts, making it appear they have spent 25% of their income on OPW, when in fact it isn't really an income or an expense to the Gnome Foundation, e.g. last round they paid out US$165,000 of which only US$16,500 was their own money, the rest was paid on behalf of the other orgs.
2) The program got so successful so fast that the Gnome Foundation's internal financial processes couldn't cope, they had to pay the interns before they had received all the sponsorship money from the participating organisations, and they used their own cash reserves to cover the gap. Once the participating orgs pay up, the Gnome Foundation will be back to normal again.
Anyone who's ever run a small business will recognise this as a classic cash-flow crisis from growing too big too fast before your admin has a chance to catch up. The lesson here is that the Gnome Foundation needs to set up a separate set of books for OPW and work harder to get the other orgs to pay the sponsors money up front.
So those of you slandering Karen Sandler claiming she's "stolen" money from Gnome for her own personal agenda really have some apologizing to do.
One other point to make is that the Gnome Foundation, just like the KDE eV, has absolutely no say over the direction of development of Gnome, they are just there to provide financial support to the direction the developers choose to take.
John Layt, KDE eV member.
Sorry - wrong door: I don't DO the ANY of the things you said as AC - then again, you're not stable in the skull anyways (are you Zontar)?
APK
You're correct on 1 thing regarding me: My record in computing DOES speak for me:
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Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61
(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)
PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there
PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there
CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there
GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it
HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!
Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...
Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com...
It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge... or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker...
Which ended up fixing a "bug" for them later, here -> http://sourceforge.net/p/ultra... via its implementation (partially, NOT fully yet as I outline it & use in my applications such as this one -> http://www.start64.com/index.p...
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* The day ANY of you scumbag trolls can show me you've done MORE, EARLIER, & BETTER than I have? Is the day you can even BEGIN to give me any guff... OR post that untrue insane lunacy you did about me!
APK
P.S.=> Have YOU lost your MIND posting shit like THIS about me that is NOT true http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ?
... apk
Didn't you read the story from Germany? Spell any way you want.
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION: Show me a quote of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
I really enjoy XFCE but i'm going to switch over to a gnome 3 session right now because I'm a masochist. Wish me much endurance /.
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION: Show me a quote of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION: Show me a quote of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apkcid=46703459
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here
It could add a Bitcoin tip QR code to a menu, or to the desktop.
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION: Show me a quote of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
---
Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
You've lost your mind: What was THIS lie I caught you in then http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Hmmm?
* You truly are, UNBELIEVABLE -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
(Good tune - too bad YOU are not a good person & instead YOU ARE A SOCKPUPPET USING TROLL -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... )
APK
P.S.=> Funny you also AVOID backing up the LIBEL you directed my way too (calling apps I write a VIRUS?) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
&
Yet I PROVIDE EASILY VERFIALBLE WAYS TO DISPROVE THAT as counter proof & evidence YOU ARE FULL OF IT & from a reputable source in the security community itself (malwarebytes)... apk
"You may well be one of those hobbyist programmers who actually knows a bit about what they're doing" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Monday April 14, 2014 @10:23AM (#46747129)
I've been a fortune 100-500 highly sought after programmer-analyst/software engineer professionally since 1994 (did SO well, I don[t even have to work anymore in fact...) & been into computing from mainframes, midranges, to client-server computing of today...
So - Am I "the best there ever was"? No - there IS no such animal out there (only harder more focused & dedicated workers).
AFTER YOUR STATEMENT HERE, HOW COME YOU RUN FROM BACKING UP YOUR LIBELOUS B.S. HERE YOU SAID OF ME -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Hmmm?
You are RUINING YOUR OWN REPUTATION (whatever it is), not mine - you only did it, to yourself.
APK
P.S.=> I run businesses now of my own in fact nowadays, instead of working for others - though I STILL WILL if the money AND MORE IMPORTANTY THE PROJECT is right - one that I am interested in mainly (got smart, stopped being a "wage slave" & instead, got wise to making ALL the stack of cash... not just CRUMBS employers toss you!)... apkplasticfish@info.gmail@com
It's almost as if GNOME and Unity and all of that are like a precursor to Obamacare or something.
If you like your Gnome 2 you can keep you Gnome 2?
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
"I absolutely do consider you a crank, a spammer, a troll, a bully, a liar, and a bit of a nutjob; and on those points--as I've stated elsewhere--I think your record speaks for itself." -
Oh, really? Ok, let's take YOUR "projecting" your OWN "modus operandi" & send it "RIGHT BACK AT YA". using your OWN reprehensible tactics then:
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1.) YOU are a crank (by your own admissions) -> multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
2.) A TROLL (that uses multiple sockpuppet accounts to harass others) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
3.) A bully (libeling me & more) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
4.) A LIAR (you say I follow YOU into threads? You NEVER do that to ME?? Bullshit) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
5.) A nutjob (see #1 above)
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* I merely validly & truthfully DEFEND MY REPUTATION vs. sockpuppeteering TROLLS LIKE YOU who libel me... that's all.
(& obviously, judging by your reactions + avoiding backing up your bullshit lies about me -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... I am doing so, successfullly...)
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Bullshit... & ANYONE is free to verify that with malwarebytes' Steven Burn... OR I can forward emails from ClamAV, Comodo, Intel/McAfee, Symantec/Norton (or even CA on another app of mine from LONG ago) where I turned those "experts" onto their heads, proving them utterly WRONG on that account (calling my app a virus, when they fucked up totally, lol).
APK
P.S.=> YOU troll others, especially via sockpuppets - & now that it's being done to you in return (not for trolling, but for merely defending myself + CONFRONTING YOU DIRECTLY on your libelous b.s. -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & letting others here KNOW the real YOU troll) you try play "innocent"? Please - Fuck off... apk
This turns your B.S. right back at ya (with proof YOU provided, unlike YOU) http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> Funny you also "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" from backing up your libel & lies directed @ me too in this link I've been confronting you on that here with (along with proofs of your sockpuppetry & mental inadequacies), eh? Not -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
... apk
Like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppet http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
"You are nothing to me: 1 by 1, I will destroy you - I will NEVER tire. I will NEVER show mercy. I will never STOP until EACH & EVERY ONE OF YOU, are dead... - Ultron 6 FROM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Had to use ULTRON (since I am a huge fan of Marvel comics since I was a child) & the next Avengers film IS "The AGE of Ultron"... seems to fit nicely here.
APK
P.S.=> It's THAT simple - you brought it on yourself, libeing me -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ATTEMPTING TO RUIN MY PROFESSIONAL REPUTATION PUBLICLY ONLINE!
That, is LIBEL, you scumbag...
( & in that link I have easily VERIFIABLE proof from a REPUTABLE source in the security community in Mr. Steven Burn of malwarebytes that disproves your LIBEL scumbag (and more, emails from several antivirus companies recanting their false positive after I utterly DISPROVED their errors no less))
... apk
Look, we have too many projects in Open Source. We don't need GNOME, KDE, Fluxbox, Blackbox, and dozens of other UIs.
Cooperation, not competition, is what will benefit Open Source projects most.
Think about it. What if all the GNOME and KDE developers and testers had been one on a single desktop? Lets call it OneDesktop. What if all the light-weight desktop makers were working on making OneDesktop have a light-weight install. The OneDesktop is built for addons. Then the bloat becomes well-designed addons.
It isn't just the coding either? One documentation set, one set of tests, one set of training videos.
And integration would become awesome, because there would be one API.
Open Source projects should compete against each other LESS.
K&R and company at Bell Labs wrote it many years ago. No gui, you had to know how to code to use it. Written for programmers, reduced keyboard typing required.
GUI is for people who couldn't learn math and pointers! HAH
OR Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (whom you 'defended' oddly enough - not you probably ARE him/her under another sockpuppet account you pig!) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Notice he/she LEFT after I worked him/her over? You're next... you had it coming & brought it on yourself.
Why are you avoiding where I confront you DIRECTLY for attempting to RUIN MY PROFESSIONAL REPUTATION scumbag?
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Hmmm?
Is it since you're SHOT DOWN IN FLAMES on every line of bullshit you attempt to *try* to "hide & cover up" the fact you FUCKED UP, libeling me?
Absolutely/No questions asked... no, the beatings WILL continue on you, till you leave, like TomHudson/Barbara, not Barbie did (for doing the same as you, including sockpuppetry http://slashdot.org/comments.p... albeit, he/she did, using those two accounts & libeling me).
If you decide NOT to leave? Well, again - the beatings will continue, till you do... it's YOUR REP now, not mine. Mine's safe, yours is not.
APK
P.S.=> As to MY reputation professionally in the art & science of computing? Well, the day YOU can show us you've done MORE, BETTER, & EARLIER in it than I have, is the day you can speak, libelous lying sockpuppet using troll that you are:
Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61
(&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)
PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there
WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there
PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there
CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there
GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it
HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!
Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...
Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com...
It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge... or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker...
Which ended up fixing a "bug" for them later, here -> http://sourceforge.net/p/ultra... via its implementation (part
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION: Show me a quote of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
See subject-line above, & "See Zontar RUN" (lol) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> Zontar's a pitiful lying libeling sockpuppeteering loser - no questions asked (else why avoid disproving what I put up about him, since he libels me? His own WORDS & MISDEED do him in... lol, I love it!)...
... apk
I'm sorry but that argument is past it's due date. Gnome 3 has been out for years and the hate didn't stop.
In comparison, It did in great measure for Ubuntu+Unity, which has now much wider acceptance than when it was released.
Gnome 3 was simply not able to revert the hate and is heading directly to irrelevance.
Having tried KDE 4.1, 4.2, etc. that was not the problem, at least for me. Panels losing options, Kasbar disappeared and I never did figure out what the "semantic desktop" was. But hey, plasmoids everywhere and configuration was no longer easy. I'm still looking for the spiritual successor to KDE 3.5.
Why're you running from your libeling me, Tom? Trying to put words in my mouth I never once stated?? Absolutely...
"Run, Forrest: RUN!!! (lol) from disputing & disproving ALL OF THIS SCUMBAGGERY of yours libeling + lying about me trying to ruin my professional reputation as a coder (saying a program I wrote's a virus? Chump, you screwed up LARGE there... that IS LIBEL) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> Apologize for it Tom, that's all you have to do... simple: Unless you want to keep "eating your words" I am confronting you on & letting YOU destroy yourself - the beatings will continue, till you do apologize...
... apk
Why're you running from your libeling me, Zonar? Trying to put words in my mouth I never once stated?? Absolutely...
"Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" (lol) from disputing & disproving ALL OF THIS SCUMBAGGERY of yours libeling + lying about me trying to ruin my professional reputation as a coder (saying a program I wrote's a virus? Chump, ,b>you screwed up LARGE there... that IS LIBEL) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> Apologize for it Zontar that's all you have to do... simple: Unless you want to keep "eating your words" I am confronting you on & letting YOU destroy yourself - the beatings will continue, till you do apologize...
... apk
"Those wishing to support the GNOME Foundation can become a friend of GNOME."
And if we just want Gnome 3.0 and Unity and friends to catch a clue and toddle off? Is there a "Gnome 2.X was good, but the current garbage is just that" organization? I think it would get a lot of supporters. Maybe we can get Cinnamon named the official successor.
The preceding comment is my own, and in no way construes an opinon of the Emperor of Mankind.
It's almost as if GNOME and Unity and all of that are like a precursor to Obamacare or something.
If you like your Gnome 2 you can keep you Gnome 2?
Yeah, but it will need to be made Accessible Computer Act compliant. This includes removing the taskbar, and generally making applications 10x harder to find than they were before. ACA compliant GNOME 2 will take four hours to install, when it used to only take 20 minutes.
This is kind of like declaring victory before the war is over. :-) Each forum has their own particular unique things about it. This one tends to be anti-GNOME. Reddit is generally more balanced and you can see a lot of people who speak up and say they like it. It doesn't fare well in overly technical forums, but does alright in the general case.
Yes, but the initial release made a lot of people upset. After that, of course, the first couple of releases aren't going to be great either. It takes time for software to mature.
I wish all gnome developers die from hunger! Their desktop environment is terrible! -- Zirconia Starfighter
You CLAIM to be a writer & are QUITE vocal on this site so what's the matter NOW, eh?
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION: Show me a quote of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apkb
See subject & you're usually quite vocal, not vs. this though http://slashdot.org/comments.p... must be 'writers block' eh? Not. You libel others and lie constantly and you also sockpuppet. That post shut your mouth though, didn't it? Yes sir.
It only takes a minute to leave. I think you have too much confidence that they'll come back. Maybe some will, I didn't, I doubt I will.
One thing I haven't understood: if RedHat lives mainly off server revenues, and servers mainly work off the CLI/bash, why are they so invested in the development & maintenance of a DE? I can understand that in the past, Caldera backed KDE and RedHat GNOME, but that's ancient history now. So why doesn't RedHat just focus on its server products, and not bother about the GUI products at all?
Give them a petition thanking them for their contributions to Women's outreach, and encourage them to contribute even more }:-)
Not talking with his mouth full of his words he had to eat http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + his FOOT IN HIS MOUTH too, to "ram them down" then washing them down (lol), flavored with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat", so it's not just 'writers block' (even though Zontar can't write for shit http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
I have no further comment.
Sure enough, the cow costume was hanging up next to the superhero outfit and sailors uniform. (S,Spud)
The war IS over. No one is using Gnome 3 except from a very small niche and the trend hasn't reverted.
Cinnamon, Unity and even Mate are much more popular.
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION: Show me a quote of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
The post I'm replying to is pretty fucking off-topic, and extremely annoying to boot. Stop it, please.
Perfect example of WHY I said what I did to you is below:
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
APK
P.S.=> "Run, Forrest - RUN!!! you'll avoid THAT like the plague (per my subject line above) - why's THAT, Zontar, you libelous freak? apk
All which use GNOME technologies. Mate is moving to GTK3, so they'll be using all our libraries they'll just do a different design than shell. Cinnamon is not using shell, but they are using GTK+ and other bits. Unity will use GNOME technologies until they finally port to QT.
But you don't get credit for Mate and Unity and Cinnamon. All of them (well Unity is its own weird story) were created out of dislike of the GNOME experience. So now we have more fragmentation then before. GNOME has less influence then before. But GNOME developers and designers seem to think that they should get the same pull as before even though they have shed a great percentage of their users. You keep getting forked, it is silly to call that a good thing. It is also getting silly to point out that not everyone was happy with the transition to GNOME 2.0. That version was not forked. The press was not nearly as bad. And most telling, 3 years later peoples reactions to it was not still negative. Gnome 3: still most users, former users, and potential users are still complaining. Rather than claiming that there are a silent majority of happy users, you might want to take that as a _hint_.
PS: Sorry I keep coming at you. I'm starting to feel a bit like an ass. You do a great job engaging. To me you are the GNOME person that seems to at least is trying to listen to people who aren't happy with GNOME. The people who are representing GNOME on lwn.net could very much use lessons from you on engagement.
I don't want GNOME apps or KDE apps or Mate apps, I just want some nice apps that work well on Linux.
You're just a known jackass who posts 1 line farts.