Those toolkits are the *native* toolkits used for each desktop platform. Unless you are writing an app that intereacts with the desktop environment, which I assume you are not, it doesn't matter what toolkit you use.
You're probably running Netscape in one of the two right now and it doesn't use either toolkit, but you are still able to run it in GNOME or KDE. I've used GNOME apps under KDE and KDE apps under GNOME, its all just personal opinion. Just use the toolkit you like best (GTK of course! --personal opinion) or the toolkit for the desktop environment that you think most of your users will be using. Just make sure they have the needed libraries installed which most distro's come with by default AFAIK.
As much as I hate working with M$ products, I'm not the one who pulls the strings, so I don't always get to pick. That means that I am often forced to use them. I very thankful that O'Reilly makes these books because I don't what I would have done if I had to use a "Learn ASP in 21 Days" or a "ASP for Dummies" type book as my reference. Hopefully in the not too far future these books will not need to be published and the world will be a happy place.
What????? Are you not a member of NTBugTraq? Do you not read about the 30 odd flaws with SP5? Have you not heard about the nice ODBC vulnerability thats getting demoed today? Try and watch SP5 and IE5 work peacefully together. How many times do you reboot your NT box a week? We have to kill our server about once a week and I have to shut down the box at my desk every other night to keep the thing from locking up. What are they running? NT4 and SP5.
Get off the lay off issue already. You already made your point earlier. SGI is stumbling. I wouldn't say falling yet, but definitely stumbling. The way things were wasn't working for them. They had to lay off people. They are trying to change their direction based on the way they see the direction that computers are heading. They aren't laying off people because they changed their business strategy, they are changing their business strategy because they had to lay off people. And as was previously mentioned, its not like it would be hard to get a job somewhere else after working at SGI anyway.
The goal is to get root priveliges not the root password. The root password doesn't give you crap if you can't figure out a way to log-in. There's more than one way to get there, ie buffer overflows, r00t kits etc.
Under a Queso remote OS detect (through nmap) I came up with Linux 2.0.32-34. Forget legal BSD liscense. They ganked a sad IP stack illegally if you ask me. Not like anyone could get their hands on Win2K source to prove anything anyway.
Look at a scan I ran: ------------------------------------------------ - # Log of: nmap -sS -P0 -O -n -o microshaft -g 53 -v -v www.windows2000test.com Interesting ports on (207.46.171.196): (Not showing ports in state: filtered) Port State Protocol Service 21 open tcp ftp 80 open tcp http 88 unfiltered tcp kerberos-sec
TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=truly random Difficulty=9999999 (Good luck!)
Sequence numbers: 60EB3CDB C9E8D1FC D6DF092B FF0F73D 37440C99 3845DCD7 Remote operating system guess: Linux 2.0.32-34 OS Fingerprint: TSeq(Class=TR) T1(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=3FE0%ACK=S++%Flags=BAS%Ops=ME) T2(Resp=N) T3(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=3FE0%ACK=S++%Flags=ASF%Ops=ME) T4(Resp=N) T5(Resp=N) T6(Resp=N) T7(Resp=N) PU(Resp=N) ------------------------------------------------ --
OS=Linux 2.0.32-34???????
Why is Win2K's IP stack working like Linux 2.0.32's (an admitted weak point)? Or is this really a Win 2K box? You conspiracy theorists know what I'm talking about. I may just be stupid, but I thought it was interesting.
According to that logic, NT would be sweet because of its Posix and OS/2 subsystems, and its ability to (some of the time) support old DOS apps. And we all know that's not true.
*BSD is old stable and robust. Linux development is moving at a fast pace. Thats why BSD users like BSD, thats why Linux users like Unix.
Have you been using Unices since the 80's? Are you happy with the way things are and want to set up a stable, secure system. Go for BSD.
Are you just getting into Unices? Are you excited by the idea of free/open software? Do you like having the newest, coolest fill-in-the-blank? Go for a GNU/Linux system.
I happen to work in an office furniture dealership (woohoo) and they are demoing this cool ass new chair. Oh my god, its comfy. Not quite as freaky as the croth rocket described here, but freaky enough to keep it interesting. Its supposed to be the Aeorn killer or something like that. For all of you who sit on your ass as much as I do, check this URL out.
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Those toolkits are the *native* toolkits used for each desktop platform. Unless you are writing an app that intereacts with the desktop environment, which I assume you are not, it doesn't matter what toolkit you use.
You're probably running Netscape in one of the two right now and it doesn't use either toolkit, but you are still able to run it in GNOME or KDE. I've used GNOME apps under KDE and KDE apps under GNOME, its all just personal opinion. Just use the toolkit you like best (GTK of course! --personal opinion) or the toolkit for the desktop environment that you think most of your users will be using. Just make sure they have the needed libraries installed which most distro's come with by default AFAIK.
Free in this context does not mean without cost (beer).
copper, genius... read the fine print before spouting your mouth off.
Oh wait doesn't that mean that the book is one big advertisement. Let's sue 'em.
As much as I hate working with M$ products, I'm not the one who pulls the strings, so I don't always get to pick. That means that I am often forced to use them. I very thankful that O'Reilly makes these books because I don't what I would have done if I had to use a "Learn ASP in 21 Days" or a "ASP for Dummies" type book as my reference. Hopefully in the not too far future these books will not need to be published and the world will be a happy place.
I've never seen a game console blue screen.....
Imagine, you're taking a turn on your third lap and wham.... BSOD.
nope :-)
True, true. I was just overcome with excitement from being first. Thats my first first you know.
What????? Are you not a member of NTBugTraq? Do you not read about the 30 odd flaws with SP5? Have you not heard about the nice ODBC vulnerability thats getting demoed today? Try and watch SP5 and IE5 work peacefully together. How many times do you reboot your NT box a week? We have to kill our server about once a week and I have to shut down the box at my desk every other night to keep the thing from locking up. What are they running? NT4 and SP5.
That's "ce la vie" :-) OK, so I'm a little anal. First???
Get off the lay off issue already. You already made your point earlier. SGI is stumbling. I wouldn't say falling yet, but definitely stumbling. The way things were wasn't working for them. They had to lay off people. They are trying to change their direction based on the way they see the direction that computers are heading. They aren't laying off people because they changed their business strategy, they are changing their business strategy because they had to lay off people. And as was previously mentioned, its not like it would be hard to get a job somewhere else after working at SGI anyway.
Just my 2 cents.
One day you'll grow up.
The goal is to get root priveliges not the root password. The root password doesn't give you crap if you can't figure out a way to log-in. There's more than one way to get there, ie buffer overflows, r00t kits etc.
Wow, it looks like every UDP port I scan is open!!!! (note: sarcasm)
Genius, have you thought that maybe none of these are open. Thats U-DP.
Under a Queso remote OS detect (through nmap) I came up with Linux 2.0.32-34. Forget legal BSD liscense. They ganked a sad IP stack illegally if you ask me. Not like anyone could get their hands on Win2K source to prove anything anyway.
Look at a scan I ran:- -
- --
-----------------------------------------------
# Log of: nmap -sS -P0 -O -n -o microshaft -g 53 -v -v www.windows2000test.com
Interesting ports on (207.46.171.196):
(Not showing ports in state: filtered)
Port State Protocol Service
21 open tcp ftp
80 open tcp http
88 unfiltered tcp kerberos-sec
TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=truly random
Difficulty=9999999 (Good luck!)
Sequence numbers: 60EB3CDB C9E8D1FC D6DF092B FF0F73D 37440C99 3845DCD7
Remote operating system guess: Linux 2.0.32-34
OS Fingerprint:
TSeq(Class=TR)
T1(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=3FE0%ACK=S++%Flags=BAS%Ops=ME)
T2(Resp=N)
T3(Resp=Y%DF=N%W=3FE0%ACK=S++%Flags=ASF%Ops=ME)
T4(Resp=N)
T5(Resp=N)
T6(Resp=N)
T7(Resp=N)
PU(Resp=N)
-----------------------------------------------
OS=Linux 2.0.32-34???????
Why is Win2K's IP stack working like Linux 2.0.32's (an admitted weak point)? Or is this really a Win 2K box? You conspiracy theorists know what I'm talking about. I may just be stupid, but I thought it was interesting.
Neither BSD nor Linux is Unix... talk to the Open Group...
According to that logic, NT would be sweet because of its Posix and OS/2 subsystems, and its ability to (some of the time) support old DOS apps. And we all know that's not true.
*BSD is old stable and robust. Linux development is moving at a fast pace. Thats why BSD users like BSD, thats why Linux users like Unix.
Have you been using Unices since the 80's? Are you happy with the way things are and want to set up a stable, secure system. Go for BSD.
Are you just getting into Unices? Are you excited by the idea of free/open software? Do you like having the newest, coolest fill-in-the-blank? Go for a GNU/Linux system.
I happen to work in an office furniture dealership (woohoo) and they are demoing this cool ass new chair. Oh my god, its comfy. Not quite as freaky as the croth rocket described here, but freaky enough to keep it interesting. Its supposed to be the Aeorn killer or something like that. For all of you who sit on your ass as much as I do, check this URL out.
http://www.steelcase.com/corporate/lea p.html