I am sure that some people might buy netscape's web server as a standalone package. On the other hand, I can see that if you've got the money for a commercial web server, then you are likely to buy the other components that make up suitespot (or whatever its called these days).
It is when you have a number of netscape components and you put them together that you start to see the attraction that it may have over the raft of free (as in speech) equivalents.
The most attractive feature is the incredibly tight integration of components such as LDAP, mail + web. (Calendaring leaves a lot to be desired - it would be nice if they shipped command line tools that actually worked with Calendar) This level of integration makes things like user account maintanence _much_ easier. All the accounts exist in one place.. you can turn on what they can access, turn off access, etc from one place. Netscape's server does have other nice features - but I'm not a Netscape salesperson, so i shan't bore you with them:-)
Implementing a similar system with openLdap/(sendmail|exim|qmail)/apache+mod_auth_lda p/etc is (a) much more difficult and (b) nowhere near as easy to maintain. I can say this from experience - having set up a netscape-only house, and a free software only house.
But that is not to say that netscape's solution is entirely wonderful. You can end up waiting for bug fixes (quite a long time in the case of a certain set of bugs that afflicted its mail server), as well as losing the flexibility that you have to tweek things with apache. We've ended up using a hybrid solution here - netscape's ldap server (which is superior to openldap), their mail server (mainly because it integrates well with LDAP), and apache for web serving because it allows us much more flexibility in terms of producing web based applications.
And, as another poster mentioned... mod_perl - I am sure that it has a use.. but really, PHP is a _much_ nicer, _much_ cleaner solution. I look forward to Zend (the new PHP engine)...
Arcserve.... URGH! I remember using arcserve 5 on netware... Perhaps the only backup program that was more reliable was NT's backup. I could almost guarrentee that a backup run would result in an ABEND or corrupt files on tape. We switched to arcserve 6 when we moved to novell 4.1 - it didn't crash the server regularly either. But I have to say that Novell is not a brilliant platform on which to judge cross platform enterprise backup software.
We currently use Legato Networker to back up a small constellation of suns, a couple of NT boxen and a few linux boxes - there are linux clients - for i386 and for sparc. They just don't have the graphical interfaces.
Its more amusing that he doesn't realise that out of all of this, HE is the one that looks like the fool and the arsehole.
I was never terribly impressed with his writings. I cannot say that I am impressed with his schmoozing with corporates. I am not sure that ESR, with his rampant unchecked libertarian ideology, can see that his actions end up selling our freedom (Just as rightwing economic orthodoxy trades the freedom of ordinary folk for higher profits and less restrictions for big corporations.)
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I am sure that some people might buy netscape's web server as a standalone package. On the other hand, I can see that if you've got the money for a commercial web server, then you are likely to buy the other components that make up suitespot (or whatever its called these days).
:-)
a p/etc is (a) much more difficult and (b) nowhere near as easy to maintain. I can say this from experience - having set up a netscape-only house, and a free software only house.
It is when you have a number of netscape components and you put them together that you start to see the attraction that it may have over the raft of free (as in speech) equivalents.
The most attractive feature is the incredibly tight integration of components such as LDAP, mail + web. (Calendaring leaves a lot to be desired - it would be nice if they shipped command line tools that actually worked with Calendar) This level of integration makes things like user account maintanence _much_ easier. All the accounts exist in one place.. you can turn on what they can access, turn off access, etc from one place. Netscape's server does have other nice features - but I'm not a Netscape salesperson, so i shan't bore you with them
Implementing a similar system with openLdap/(sendmail|exim|qmail)/apache+mod_auth_ld
But that is not to say that netscape's solution is entirely wonderful. You can end up waiting for bug fixes (quite a long time in the case of a certain set of bugs that afflicted its mail server), as well as losing the flexibility that you have to tweek things with apache. We've ended up using a hybrid solution here - netscape's ldap server (which is superior to openldap), their mail server (mainly because it integrates well with LDAP), and apache for web serving because it allows us much more flexibility in terms of producing web based applications.
And, as another poster mentioned... mod_perl - I am sure that it has a use.. but really, PHP is a _much_ nicer, _much_ cleaner solution. I look forward to Zend (the new PHP engine)...
Arcserve.... URGH!
I remember using arcserve 5 on netware... Perhaps the only backup program that was more reliable was NT's backup. I could almost guarrentee that a backup run would result in an ABEND or corrupt files on tape. We switched to arcserve 6 when we moved to novell 4.1 - it didn't crash the server regularly either. But I have to say that Novell is not a brilliant platform on which to judge cross platform enterprise backup software.
We currently use Legato Networker to back up a small constellation of suns, a couple of NT boxen and a few linux boxes - there are linux clients - for i386 and for sparc. They just don't have the graphical interfaces.
I was never terribly impressed with his writings. I cannot say that I am impressed with his schmoozing with corporates. I am not sure that ESR, with his rampant unchecked libertarian ideology, can see that his actions end up selling our freedom (Just as rightwing economic orthodoxy trades the freedom of ordinary folk for higher profits and less restrictions for big corporations.)
*sigh*
The law for Me (Microsoft) and the law for you.
Or..
We reserve the right to take public standards, "innovate" on them by breaking them, leaving a closed proprietary clunky system.
But you do not have the right to innovate on a fairly common english phrase that our propaganda department has invested so much time and effort on.