Yea, nasty kiddie stuff, but fun as hell to at least think about.
Yeah. Exactly. Nasty kiddie stuff. Just what we need when the rest of the community is trying to show that the open source movement is mature and responsible and can be trusted by business.
In the most part I like the GPL. But problems like this make it hard for companies to adopt GPL products. When they are required to release their own IP code.
So you like the part of the GPL that lets you use others code, but you don't like the part that lets others use yours.
Is that right?
Your company is perfectly at liberty to use GPL "products" (gcc, apache, samba, etc) completely freely. It's only if they make modifications to those products (a derived work) then redistribute with those modifications that they need to also distribute the new source.
And how, Mensa Member with your impressively high IQ, do you propose that bind, a piece of software that does not directly interact with the user, present this list of choices?
Do you suggest it does this also for all other internet applications? (there is more than just the web you know).
Notice that IBM doesn't feel compelled to publicize every exchange between SCO and Groklaw as if it's the discovery of life on Mars....
IBM is a corporation focussed on sales and services in the computer industry. Slashdot is a news website focussed on comment on issues of the day. Notice the difference?
With all the problems with electronic voting, punch-card voting, hanging chads etc, why even use machines for vote counting? Why not just have paper and pencil and hand-count?
Federal elections in Australia with a population of 20 million are run this way with no problem.
Before you say, "but America has many more voters", well, they can also have many more vote counters.
Surely you can cope with setting your mail client to put mail from your friends and colleagues addresses into one box, and everything else into another?
Well, at present my address book contains 897 legitimate addresses, mostly business contacts, and I don't even work in sales! To have to modify a rule for each new address is an unreasonable cost to me.
In any case, the debate was not over the technical solutions to the problem, just that the original analogy was poor and inaccurate and as such a poor basis for making decisions about the rightness or wrongness of spam.
I can walk down the street and with a flick of my eye determine that someone is trying to give me a leaflet which is effectively a UCE. I can then not receive it by taking _no action at all_. There is no comparision between this and spam email.
It's a bit like walking down a busy road in London, and expecting people not to offer you leaflets.
As usual, the analogy is poor. If the leaflet-givers were offering you penis enlargement and viagra, along with legitimate messages from friends and business associates, and you had to take the leaflets before you could determine which it was, and they charged you a penny for each one, and they gave a couple of hard-core ones to your nine year old daughter, then I think the analogy would be more accurate.
Take away the computers opening book. Let's face it, the GM's aren't allowed to have a copy of Modern Chess Openings sitting by their elbow.
Or if you like, let the computers have a limited repertoire, similar to a GM. So many lines to a certain depth. You could even change it for each tournament based on the opponent.
This would at least put the emphasis back on calculation and stop the situations where the GM (notably Kasparov in the Deep Blue match) tries a very weak opening move just to get the computer out of book.
Excellent analysis. Throughout Microsoft's history they have made some moves which seemed strange when viewed through the perspective of simple financial gain (giving away IE for instance) or product offering.
But they always made complete sense when viewed through the perspective of gaining control. Looks like this may be another example.
I always thought things got a little dull after the Amiga was introduced. It was the last wow computer.
Up until then every few years something really revolutionary would come on the scene. The very first homebrew kits, the Apple II, the Mac with it's gui, then the Amiga with it's full-colour multi-tasking system (the Atari ST almost makes the grade, and was a little earlier, but the Amiga was definitely more jaw-dropping).
Since then it's all been just evolutionary, not revolutionary. Nothing you'd go to a store and think "that's amazing".
Probably just a sign of the maturation of the industry but it's a bit of a shame. It was fun growing up during the birth of the PC.
Damn straight! If not for copyright, Bach, Beethoven, and Brahms would never have published any music, so none of their music would be around today, in the public domain!
And Mozart died a pauper and was buried in an unmarked mass grave. There's a big thank-you from society.
Yes. But in the context of this discussion, where we are talking about people going out deliberately to deface web-sites (and just that I believe), having a staging site for a live site is effectively as good as having a backup. Just restore from your staging site.
That's exactly my setup. But I still have a dev. folder and a live folder. If I update my website I don't edit it directly. I edit the dev. version, make sure it's alright, then copy to live. If someone's editing their live site they're more likely to trash it themselves by accident than be hacked.
Someone defacing a web-site would just hit the live folder. Now, someone completely hacking the machine, that's a different story...
The Article, which no one reads, talks about a man being sentenced to 12 months in prison in the UK for having his cell phone on (and not using it) during a flight.
No one, including yourself, that would appear.
From the article:
Whitehouse was asked by cabin crew to turn the mobile off after he was spotted typing "I love you" onto the text face.
When told it might interfere with navigation, he replied: "Why? Are we going to get lost?"
Wouldn't it be really cool if the chess pieces used RFID chips to identify themselves to a board (not a scanner, but a real chess board). Said board could move the players around with magnets.
Great idea but you're about 25 years too late. Back when chess computers first came out (I'm thinking 1978 or so) I remember one that was just as you describe. It was a full-size board, about two inches thick, you could pick the pieces up to move and it would slide it's reply.
In answer to the obvious question, how did it move the knight at the start? It would move the surrounding pieces out of the way slightly then back again.
It was very cool but over AU$1000 and I was just in school.
Did anyone check the photo? I've got it here in front of me and it looks pretty much like her two fingers are lightly pressed to her neck, just on the jaw line.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes.
Yeah. Exactly. Nasty kiddie stuff. Just what we need when the rest of the community is trying to show that the open source movement is mature and responsible and can be trusted by business.
But off you go and order your pizzas.
So you like the part of the GPL that lets you use others code, but you don't like the part that lets others use yours.
Is that right?
Your company is perfectly at liberty to use GPL "products" (gcc, apache, samba, etc) completely freely. It's only if they make modifications to those products (a derived work) then redistribute with those modifications that they need to also distribute the new source.
Pretty generous really.
And how, Mensa Member with your impressively high IQ, do you propose that bind, a piece of software that does not directly interact with the user, present this list of choices?
Do you suggest it does this also for all other internet applications? (there is more than just the web you know).
IBM is a corporation focussed on sales and services in the computer industry. Slashdot is a news website focussed on comment on issues of the day. Notice the difference?
With all the problems with electronic voting, punch-card voting, hanging chads etc, why even use machines for vote counting? Why not just have paper and pencil and hand-count?
Federal elections in Australia with a population of 20 million are run this way with no problem.
Before you say, "but America has many more voters", well, they can also have many more vote counters.
Well, at present my address book contains 897 legitimate addresses, mostly business contacts, and I don't even work in sales! To have to modify a rule for each new address is an unreasonable cost to me.
In any case, the debate was not over the technical solutions to the problem, just that the original analogy was poor and inaccurate and as such a poor basis for making decisions about the rightness or wrongness of spam.
I can walk down the street and with a flick of my eye determine that someone is trying to give me a leaflet which is effectively a UCE. I can then not receive it by taking _no action at all_. There is no comparision between this and spam email.
As usual, the analogy is poor. If the leaflet-givers were offering you penis enlargement and viagra, along with legitimate messages from friends and business associates, and you had to take the leaflets before you could determine which it was, and they charged you a penny for each one, and they gave a couple of hard-core ones to your nine year old daughter, then I think the analogy would be more accurate.
Despite the low budget (GBP 3500) it's very good.
Take away the computers opening book. Let's face it, the GM's aren't allowed to have a copy of Modern Chess Openings sitting by their elbow.
Or if you like, let the computers have a limited repertoire, similar to a GM. So many lines to a certain depth. You could even change it for each tournament based on the opponent.
This would at least put the emphasis back on calculation and stop the situations where the GM (notably Kasparov in the Deep Blue match) tries a very weak opening move just to get the computer out of book.
But they always made complete sense when viewed through the perspective of gaining control. Looks like this may be another example.
Up until then every few years something really revolutionary would come on the scene. The very first homebrew kits, the Apple II, the Mac with it's gui, then the Amiga with it's full-colour multi-tasking system (the Atari ST almost makes the grade, and was a little earlier, but the Amiga was definitely more jaw-dropping).
Since then it's all been just evolutionary, not revolutionary. Nothing you'd go to a store and think "that's amazing".
Probably just a sign of the maturation of the industry but it's a bit of a shame. It was fun growing up during the birth of the PC.
I'd love to look at your picture but to view it comfortably I'd need a scroll-wheel that works in two dimensions.
And Mozart died a pauper and was buried in an unmarked mass grave. There's a big thank-you from society.
Furthermore, if you just keep the pair of twos (drop the eight) you're giving yourself another chance to draw another two.
Yes. But in the context of this discussion, where we are talking about people going out deliberately to deface web-sites (and just that I believe), having a staging site for a live site is effectively as good as having a backup. Just restore from your staging site.
That's exactly my setup. But I still have a dev. folder and a live folder. If I update my website I don't edit it directly. I edit the dev. version, make sure it's alright, then copy to live. If someone's editing their live site they're more likely to trash it themselves by accident than be hacked.
Someone defacing a web-site would just hit the live folder. Now, someone completely hacking the machine, that's a different story...
How can they not have a backup? Where did the site come from before they uploading it to their web-host?
Even on my own machine I have development and live.
Nope, not even anything of interest to chess afficionados.
Must be a *very* slow news day.
The original poster did cite his source, right here:
but the fact that this story "Has Legs" in the US is not surprising, when you read here
No one, including yourself, that would appear.
From the article:
Whitehouse was asked by cabin crew to turn the mobile off after he was spotted typing "I love you" onto the text face.
When told it might interfere with navigation, he replied: "Why? Are we going to get lost?"
Great idea but you're about 25 years too late. Back when chess computers first came out (I'm thinking 1978 or so) I remember one that was just as you describe. It was a full-size board, about two inches thick, you could pick the pieces up to move and it would slide it's reply.
In answer to the obvious question, how did it move the knight at the start? It would move the surrounding pieces out of the way slightly then back again.
It was very cool but over AU$1000 and I was just in school.
You know, just because the door to my house can be broken in doesn't mean I don't lock it in the morning.
In other words, some security is still better than none.
Can anyone explain?
Just view the source and download the style-sheets. It's all there.
Did anyone check the photo? I've got it here in front of me and it looks pretty much like her two fingers are lightly pressed to her neck, just on the jaw line.
Sorry, no smoking gun (err, cigarette) here.