Let the companies decide: Obviously Adobe, Borland, Hancom, Opera and others have no problem with Qt being available either under GPL or QPL license. In my opinion the price for Qt under QPL and for support are peanuts for these (and smaller) companies. They are glad to have someone who can give them support for the tool kit. Who offers commercial support for Gtk?
> Seriously, you're never going to get rid of GNOME for (at least) one simple reason: GIMP.
Why not? Gimp isn't a GNOME program. Nor are XChat or Pan which I use personally.
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> why is it that so many prefer Gnome over KDE ?
There are always some who don't share opinion or taste of the majority. For example have a look at the Gentoo Linux usage statistics. Adding all KDE installations compared to Gnome installations more seem to prefer KDE than Gnome. That's the tendency this statistic has in common with most web polls (which I in general wouldn't overestimate as being representative).
Someone should tell you that key shortcuts are configurable, KDE even allows you to select between different default sets (Windows Scheme with/without Win key, Mac Scheme, Unix Scheme, KDE Scheme for 3/4 modifiers keys).
> A more concrete example: Open up a Nautilus window and right-click on an icon of a folder. You'll see around 15 menu options, with spacing in sane places. Open up Konqueror and do the same, for the same folder. On my KDE installation, I get 25 options. "Open with Gwenview?" what the heck is that? Why would this show up on every folder?
A standard KDE installation shows 20 options here. You should know what Gwenview is, because you have it installed because it's not part of KDE releases but rather a 3rd party product. Don't install what you don't need, KDE's menus are created dynamically! If you don't install kdesdkd and kdeaddons it's smaller by another 3 entries. Btw the Konqueror popup menu has seperators too. And what functionality does Nautilus offer? Tabs (2 entries) or a "Terminal Here" entry? Afair nothing of this, almost everything has to be written as script and installed into a script folder which is empty after installation. How user friendly - not!
This article http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/467 6/1/ says that you can run KDE 3.1 on such old machine with acceptable speed if you turn off eye-candy too.
> KDE is getting faster since 3.1, but I have a problem with the numerous applications that are totally worthless due to their incompatibility with accepted standards.
> I'm using Slackware 9.0Beta and KDE3.1 is horribly slow on my baseline testing computer. A 256 Meg P-II350. yes that is a lower machine but if linux cant run decent on it then what's the point...Because Windows 2000 does.
When was Windows 2000 released? 1999? So let's compare to equal old software that would be KDE 1.1.2. Or how does Windows XP run on your machine?
Good point. How do the Windows registry or gconf ensure that only valid settings combinations are inserted which don't crash your system or prevent you from working? Nothing can beat the control center there which only lets you choose good settings.
> For a long time, Gnome was frequently criticised for having too many confusing options
And there are/were too many options: Why 5 different options how to shorten a lengthy tab name in Galeon?
> it has the configuration options where they belong: in the configuration files, not cluttering up the user interface!
You should differ between the user interface (those which you usually see and where you do the _work_) and the configuration dialogs (aka _control_ center).
> The primary goal all OS vendors, should be to make a quick and responsive interface that is easy enough for anyone
Yes, it's the task of the OS vendors to make the interface fit, not to everyone but to their intended audience. KDE as it is released is IMO a desktop for power users like Mozilla is a very complete suite to demonstrate all features and their binary builds are not intended for end users. Companies' business like Xandros is to tailor KDE for their users.
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> Specialised programs, for Specialised Jobs.
Like Rhythmbox? Better compare Juk to that.
> Gnome was supposed to be a toolkit (and in many aspects still is).
Agreed.
> C was chosen because not everyone could afford C++ compilers when gtk+ was designed.
How old is gtk+? How old is gcc ('s C++ support)?
> Knoppix has always been about KDE (the whole name implies it).
The name implies it? You don't know that Knoppix is created by Klaus Knopper? It's only a coincidence his last name starts with a "K".
> It's been a while since I checked out KDE
Which disqualifies your current comments about KDE.
Let the companies decide: Obviously Adobe, Borland, Hancom, Opera and others have no problem with Qt being available either under GPL or QPL license. In my opinion the price for Qt under QPL and for support are peanuts for these (and smaller) companies. They are glad to have someone who can give them support for the tool kit. Who offers commercial support for Gtk?
Please learn about the difference between a window manager and a desktop environment first.
> Seriously, you're never going to get rid of GNOME for (at least) one simple reason: GIMP.
Why not? Gimp isn't a GNOME program. Nor are XChat or Pan which I use personally.
> why is it that so many prefer Gnome over KDE ?
There are always some who don't share opinion or taste of the majority. For example have a look at the Gentoo Linux usage statistics. Adding all KDE installations compared to Gnome installations more seem to prefer KDE than Gnome. That's the tendency this statistic has in common with most web polls (which I in general wouldn't overestimate as being representative).
Screenshot of standard red mouse pointer.
Someone should tell you that key shortcuts are configurable, KDE even allows you to select between different default sets (Windows Scheme with/without Win key, Mac Scheme, Unix Scheme, KDE Scheme for 3/4 modifiers keys).
> A more concrete example: Open up a Nautilus window and right-click on an icon of a folder. You'll see around 15 menu options, with spacing in sane places. Open up Konqueror and do the same, for the same folder. On my KDE installation, I get 25 options. "Open with Gwenview?" what the heck is that? Why would this show up on every folder?
A standard KDE installation shows 20 options here. You should know what Gwenview is, because you have it installed because it's not part of KDE releases but rather a 3rd party product. Don't install what you don't need, KDE's menus are created dynamically! If you don't install kdesdkd and kdeaddons it's smaller by another 3 entries. Btw the Konqueror popup menu has seperators too. And what functionality does Nautilus offer? Tabs (2 entries) or a "Terminal Here" entry? Afair nothing of this, almost everything has to be written as script and installed into a script folder which is empty after installation. How user friendly - not!
> KWord seems to be compatible only with itself, then again, when any office app is used on the "plain text" level
Now I'm convinced you only want to troll. To what is MS Office compatible? Or OpenOffice.org? Ever heard of import and export filters?
This article http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/467 6/1/ says that you can run KDE 3.1 on such old machine with acceptable speed if you turn off eye-candy too.
> KDE is getting faster since 3.1, but I have a problem with the numerous applications that are totally worthless due to their incompatibility with accepted standards.
What application to which standard? Facts please.
> I'm using Slackware 9.0Beta and KDE3.1 is horribly slow on my baseline testing computer. A 256 Meg P-II350. yes that is a lower machine but if linux cant run decent on it then what's the point...Because Windows 2000 does.
When was Windows 2000 released? 1999? So let's compare to equal old software that would be KDE 1.1.2. Or how does Windows XP run on your machine?
User error. You're supposed to enter one of the terms in parenthesis - not to copy the whole line.
> Where are the Gnome and KDE admin configuration guides?
t p://wwwtesting.kde.org/areas/sysadmin/ (under construction, later without "testing")
http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/2.2/
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> And I always thought GNOME was tnhe more configurable of the two; you can choose your own window manager
So can you with KDE, e.g. with KDE 3.1 it's just about setting KDEWM to your favorite (preferable freedesktop.org WM spec conform) window manager.
Good point. How do the Windows registry or gconf ensure that only valid settings combinations are inserted which don't crash your system or prevent you from working? Nothing can beat the control center there which only lets you choose good settings.
> For a long time, Gnome was frequently criticised for having too many confusing options
And there are/were too many options: Why 5 different options how to shorten a lengthy tab name in Galeon?
> it has the configuration options where they belong: in the configuration files, not cluttering up the user interface!
You should differ between the user interface (those which you usually see and where you do the _work_) and the configuration dialogs (aka _control_ center).
> I'm surprised constantly by the fact that KDE is so popular.
:-)
I'm surprised constantly by the fact that Gnome is to popular.
> Gnome is simple and it just works.
Like Nautilus opens 50 property dialogs if you want to change the attributes of 50 selected files?
> Nautilus used to have something very similar to this before they dumbed it down for 2.0.
And they were right to to so. Different UI levels are a bad idea.
> The primary goal all OS vendors, should be to make a quick and responsive interface that is easy enough for anyone
Yes, it's the task of the OS vendors to make the interface fit, not to everyone but to their intended audience. KDE as it is released is IMO a desktop for power users like Mozilla is a very complete suite to demonstrate all features and their binary builds are not intended for end users. Companies' business like Xandros is to tailor KDE for their users.
I read that Kivio/KOffice has a Dia stencil importer. Doesn't it work?
I still remember too good "Gnome/Gtk 2.2 will have a new file dialog". No, thanks.