> last version I used was SuSE 6.2). What really used to annoy me was the propensity it had for just editing config files I had altered, without any warnings.
Still argueing with bugs fixed years ago? What a poor discussion.
You have your SuSE upgraded to glibc 2.3 and compiled with gcc 3.3? And sure the development is evolutionary (faster YOU, YOU at install, common desktop look [Keramik/Geramik], better WLAN support) rather than revolutionary.
Perhaps I should say GUI package manager? The thing where you select to install which given package selections. Not the rpm command line tool. Or do you use GNOME's or KDE's GUI package manager?
In my opinion Ximian has missed the desktop train due to the hard Gnome 1->2 transition. How many months still until a stable Gnome 2 version of Abiword, Galeon and Evolution not mentioning Ximian Gnome 2 desktop?
The best thing is the Professional update version for the price of the personal version. It's just missing additional manuals compared to the full price Professional version and can be installed without owning a previous SuSE version.
Miguel de Icaza: Reading today's Slashdot comments, you can see that our desktop is
falling behind stability-wise and feature wise to KDE. [..] I probably mentioned this before, but when I went to Mexico in December
to the facility where we launched gnome, they had all switched to KDE3.
KDE has anti-aliased fonts for much longer than Gnome (since Qt 2.2) and uses the same libraries which render the fonts than Gnome. KDE doesn't suck here with freetype 2.1.4rc2 and byte code interpreter enabled.
Please, at least check your facts when you're pointed to being wrong. From kdebase/kicker/core/main.cpp:
KAboutData aboutData(appname.data(), I18N_NOOP("KDE Panel")
, KAboutData::License_BSD
> Notice how on many distro's, nost configuration utilities are written in GTK+, even if they provide KDE as the main desktop.
Many? Mandrake, which else? Eager to hear them.
> The KDE project does not provide these things. Besides maybe the kernel configuration bits.
Nor does GNOME. Do the GNOME system setup tools offer anything that kdeadmin doesn't? It's the distributions' task to write setup tools for their individual distribution configuration.
> Gnome currently provides [..] a better word processor, (Abiword)
AFAIK the stable Abiword version still doesn't know tables. Really impressive.
> Redhat ships right now a distro that can do very well without a single QT app, something I cannot say for most others.
Why don't they do it then? Because half of their users use KDE?:-)
> Gnome also benefits from more usability testing than KDE, not the bug report kind, but real studies.
Testings are nice, but who fixes the issues? See the "Gnome 2.2 and HIG" thread above.
> there are 3 desktop entries there that use GTK which are ROX, XFCE and GNOME of course. so maybe the developers have spoken.
The users don't care about the diversity of the developers.
> this puts GNOME's market share at ~ 43.5% and KDE's at ~ 29%.
Trying to deduct the desktop's market share from distribution share is ridiculous. If a distribution ships both why do you assume that the default is used? Btw, can you name a single only-Gnome included distribution? Compare that to the available only-KDE included distributions. You assume every Debian user prefers Gnome which according to this poll is not the case. You assume that RedHat is used as desktop system, but perhaps it's primary used for the 40% non-workstation system and has no desktop environment installed at all? You can't tell unless your statistic counts the desktop environments like the Gentoo user statistics where KDE leads.
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Why not use Konstruct instead of typing all this manually?
Read "SuSE Linux 8.2: Evolutionary, but not Revolutionary".
The facts: SuSE is the big player behind UnitedLinux. And Canopy owns only a 5.8% share of TrollTech.
> last version I used was SuSE 6.2). What really used to annoy me was the propensity it had for just editing config files I had altered, without any warnings.
Still argueing with bugs fixed years ago? What a poor discussion.
You have your SuSE upgraded to glibc 2.3 and compiled with gcc 3.3? And sure the development is evolutionary (faster YOU, YOU at install, common desktop look [Keramik/Geramik], better WLAN support) rather than revolutionary.
There are more screenshots than in this review.
> but SuSE is the main funder of KDE developers and has contributed the most to KDE
The most of the companies, don't forget freelance contributors!
Didn't SuSE partner with Ximian to introduce Red Carpet Enterprise to their corporate products recently? press release
What prevents you to "wget -r ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/8.1/suse" and burn it to CD-ROMs?
I doubt it, KDE 3.2 is still months away.
Perhaps I should say GUI package manager? The thing where you select to install which given package selections. Not the rpm command line tool. Or do you use GNOME's or KDE's GUI package manager?
In my opinion Ximian has missed the desktop train due to the hard Gnome 1->2 transition. How many months still until a stable Gnome 2 version of Abiword, Galeon and Evolution not mentioning Ximian Gnome 2 desktop?
From where do you know that Mandrake ISOs will be available (immediately)?
Better wait some more days for KDE 3.1.1 being around the corner.
2 hours? You should use a faster ftp mirror or use Fast OnlineUpdate for SuSE (http://fou4s.gaugusch.at/).
The best thing is the Professional update version for the price of the personal version. It's just missing additional manuals compared to the full price Professional version and can be installed without owning a previous SuSE version.
> In general package management is one of the weakest parts of SuSE IMO.
Afaik with RedHat's package manager it's not possible to install third party rpms at all.
See this posting from Miguel de Icaza which Havoc Pennington hopes will not appear on Slashdot:
Miguel de Icaza: Reading today's Slashdot comments, you can see that our desktop is falling behind stability-wise and feature wise to KDE. [..] I probably mentioned this before, but when I went to Mexico in December to the facility where we launched gnome, they had all switched to KDE3.
> KDE makes no such claims of 'it works when we ship it'
i lman/listinfo/kde-nonlinuxa ilman/listinfo/kde-solarisg e.net/pdb/section.php/kde
Of course it works, there is no such thing in KDE's release history that this has to be emphasized every time.
> and doesn't mention Solaris under the 'distro' section.
Is Solaris a distro or an own operating system? See http://promo.kde.org/kde_systems.php if you want to see Solaris being listed.
> When they get around to supporting more than Linux, then I'll give a damn.
Solaris and BSD are supported. There are KDE developers developing on these platforms.
http://freebsd.kde.org/
http://mail.kde.org/ma
http://mail.kde.org/m
http://fink.sourcefor
> For instance, how does the user know that "KAppfinder" isn't a web interface to Freshmeat
Because its description (enabled by default IIRC) is "Menu Updating Tool".
KDE has anti-aliased fonts for much longer than Gnome (since Qt 2.2) and uses the same libraries which render the fonts than Gnome. KDE doesn't suck here with freetype 2.1.4rc2 and byte code interpreter enabled.
Please, at least check your facts when you're pointed to being wrong. From kdebase/kicker/core/main.cpp:
KAboutData aboutData(appname.data(), I18N_NOOP("KDE Panel")
, KAboutData::License_BSD
> The major KDE supporters -- SuSE and Mandrake -- are going out of business
The old lies and FUD.
> I can write BSD-licensed GNOME software if I want to, but not BSD-licensed KDE-based software!
Strange - how is it then possible that Kicker, the KDE panel, is licensed under BSD license?
> Notice how on many distro's, nost configuration utilities are written in GTK+, even if they provide KDE as the main desktop.
:-)
Many? Mandrake, which else? Eager to hear them.
> The KDE project does not provide these things. Besides maybe the kernel configuration bits.
Nor does GNOME. Do the GNOME system setup tools offer anything that kdeadmin doesn't? It's the distributions' task to write setup tools for their individual distribution configuration.
> Gnome currently provides [..] a better word processor, (Abiword)
AFAIK the stable Abiword version still doesn't know tables. Really impressive.
> Redhat ships right now a distro that can do very well without a single QT app, something I cannot say for most others.
Why don't they do it then? Because half of their users use KDE?
> Gnome also benefits from more usability testing than KDE, not the bug report kind, but real studies.
Testings are nice, but who fixes the issues? See the "Gnome 2.2 and HIG" thread above.
> there are 3 desktop entries there that use GTK which are ROX, XFCE and GNOME of course. so maybe the developers have spoken.
The users don't care about the diversity of the developers.
> this puts GNOME's market share at ~ 43.5% and KDE's at ~ 29%.
Trying to deduct the desktop's market share from distribution share is ridiculous. If a distribution ships both why do you assume that the default is used? Btw, can you name a single only-Gnome included distribution? Compare that to the available only-KDE included distributions. You assume every Debian user prefers Gnome which according to this poll is not the case. You assume that RedHat is used as desktop system, but perhaps it's primary used for the 40% non-workstation system and has no desktop environment installed at all? You can't tell unless your statistic counts the desktop environments like the Gentoo user statistics where KDE leads.