I was feeling it was a troll but on the off chance that it was really someone who had had issus due to a misconfigured machine there is no harm in trying to help him out -
Just had a read through your post and thought wow you seem to have been burnt by a bad experience.
Where i work we use a combination of win2k, WinNT, Linux and Unix boxes. In my experience by far the least troublesome are the linux boxes, our databae server has only just recently had to be rebooted (depressing it was up for 460 days) and that was one really abused box ( developers testing on it as well)
Could you give us an indiction of the load and purpose of the box ? Perhaps we can assist you in sorting out what the issue was.
Tis a shame you had a bad experience, but i think you will find that if you would like to track down what happened or why people would be happy to help.
Actually the MS patches do break 3rd party applications fairly often. Eg I have personally had an NT service pack break the exchange server that was the back end to the company PABX. Not good when the company's main business is Call Centre.
One of the other issues i have is that quite often these patches require a reboot. On systems where you are contractually obliged to have 99.9% uptime, you have to schedule the reboot - with our clients we have to give 7 days notice.
For this reason we have just about completed moving all our critical services to linux boxes. At least when you have to patch a service you dont need to reboot just restart the service.
Seb
Exactly the same situation that we are in. Red Hat was previously my distribution of choice. But with the licensing of their new releases i found that they are not catering to our needs anymore as we dont need their support.
For this reason and i have found that Mandrake seems to have more of a community spirit, we have started changing over to Mandrake.
Its not about the money - we are quite happy to purchase our operating system, and the support if we require it, but to be honest i dont require RedHats support and we are now financial customers of Mandrake.
I do tend to feel that in some ways RedHat seem to have lost site of their heritage. This though i was in a way expecting since in the chase for the dollar Heritage is one of the first things to be forgotten. For this reason i am also starting to look at Debian for "set and forget" servers Though i hope we do see some changes from Red Hat in regards to this.
I contracted to around 12 different ISP's here in Aus over the last 5 years. On average the logs were kept by each ISP for 12 months. Indeed i was actually contacted by one of our state Child Protection agencies to track down a user. ( They presented a court order) With an ip address and a time of day (was 11 months previously) we were able to supply the details to the Police.
Nothing online is anonymous
What Sco employs programmers???????
Seriously ?
Using a few of their openserver boxes here at work (looking to change to linux shortly) They are like so uncivilised its not funny!!! I mean to change some network settings you have to relink the kernel and reboot the machine, They are at least somewhat primitive.
Seb
I personally am not a great cd purchaser, not because i download mp3's from the internet - to be honest i havent done so in approximately 7-8 years.
The reason being that IMO most of the material that is now being published is crap.
If you go to the music store it is just one "skanky" blond haired bimbo after another. So to the RIAA - if you shut down P2P, i still wont buy your music, deliver "decent" music by real artists! not clones dreamt up by your marketing departments. One way i would consider purchasing music though is on a subscription basis eg pay so much per month and it entitles you to so many "downloads" or what would be really cool would be to be able to go to a record store - bring your flash ram stick and select your songs, save them straight on your flash ram - walk out the door plug it into your mp3 player and off you go.
Anyway nuff said
One interesting question would be, should this all eventuate the relational database filesystem that is.
Does this then mean that the Windows "GUI" would then be a layer ontop of the database eg since the underlying filesystem is a database could third parties then create alternative "Window Mangers" for windows that hook into the "file sytem"
This could be a good thing, stay tuned for MS selling "Coporate Desktop" and "Home Desktop" add ons for Longhorn
To be honest that was my first reaction as well and to some extent i still think that. Im a system administrator for a relatively small company (22 servers) Running a mix of Mandrake Redhat (i started to bring this in but have sort of cooled a bit) and Sco Unix *shudder*
Most the Redhat boxes are running 7.2 patched and up to date etc etc. I like the 7.2 release and i dont particularly want to upgrade when the machines are doing their jobs reliably and without a problem. As most of you know when you set up a server with the base OS there is extensive customisation to bring the machine into a production environment. This in iteself provides a good reason to not be upgrading so often as we all have better things to do than rebuilding machines over and over.
Anyway i digress I am starting to look at this in a slightly different light. As has been said before we dont actually have to rely on RedHat for support. I myself have decided that i am going to get more into working with the source and do more of the work myself. Hell i know that i will learn things to boot.
As things stand though the current RedHat products offer small to medium business little. And this move has made me re evaluate things.
Except to extend the product life time.
I have several servers running 7.2 and to be honest It now comes down to do i
1. Get back on the upgrade cycle which i was rather enjoying not being on.
2. Cough up for Advanced Server and the various other flavours of RH,
3. Look at going to another distro - I was actually migrating the servers from Mandrake to RH but all that is now put on hold
2 Is probably the most likely course of action but then with a bit of planning I should only need to be patching the usual edge of network services which i can do manually.
Either way RedHat was previously the distribution that i found comfortable to work with the shortened end of lifetime support period without the option of paying for extended support is as one person has put it a dealbreaker.
Tis amazing and really kind of sad what a couple of anally retentive politicians can do to a country. Our minister for imformation technology is most likely still trying to work out why computers come with cup holders.
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Ummm ... whats wrong with having a normal - non genetically engineered pet !
ROFL
:)
You had me spitting my coffee over that
Good one
I was feeling it was a troll but on the off chance that it was really someone who had had issus due to a misconfigured machine there is no harm in trying to help him out -
Seb
Hi there,
Just had a read through your post and thought wow you seem to have been burnt by a bad experience.
Where i work we use a combination of win2k, WinNT, Linux and Unix boxes. In my experience by far the least troublesome are the linux boxes, our databae server has only just recently had to be rebooted (depressing it was up for 460 days) and that was one really abused box ( developers testing on it as well)
Could you give us an indiction of the load and purpose of the box ? Perhaps we can assist you in sorting out what the issue was.
Tis a shame you had a bad experience, but i think you will find that if you would like to track down what happened or why people would be happy to help.
Regards
Seb
That's no moon, it's a space station!
DeathStar!
Actually the MS patches do break 3rd party applications fairly often. Eg I have personally had an NT service pack break the exchange server that was the back end to the company PABX. Not good when the company's main business is Call Centre. One of the other issues i have is that quite often these patches require a reboot. On systems where you are contractually obliged to have 99.9% uptime, you have to schedule the reboot - with our clients we have to give 7 days notice. For this reason we have just about completed moving all our critical services to linux boxes. At least when you have to patch a service you dont need to reboot just restart the service. Seb
Exactly the same situation that we are in. Red Hat was previously my distribution of choice. But with the licensing of their new releases i found that they are not catering to our needs anymore as we dont need their support. For this reason and i have found that Mandrake seems to have more of a community spirit, we have started changing over to Mandrake. Its not about the money - we are quite happy to purchase our operating system, and the support if we require it, but to be honest i dont require RedHats support and we are now financial customers of Mandrake. I do tend to feel that in some ways RedHat seem to have lost site of their heritage. This though i was in a way expecting since in the chase for the dollar Heritage is one of the first things to be forgotten. For this reason i am also starting to look at Debian for "set and forget" servers Though i hope we do see some changes from Red Hat in regards to this.
I contracted to around 12 different ISP's here in Aus over the last 5 years. On average the logs were kept by each ISP for 12 months. Indeed i was actually contacted by one of our state Child Protection agencies to track down a user. ( They presented a court order) With an ip address and a time of day (was 11 months previously) we were able to supply the details to the Police. Nothing online is anonymous
Hey Im from Bumfuck Iowa - tis a happening place :)
What Sco employs programmers??????? Seriously ? Using a few of their openserver boxes here at work (looking to change to linux shortly) They are like so uncivilised its not funny!!! I mean to change some network settings you have to relink the kernel and reboot the machine, They are at least somewhat primitive. Seb
I personally am not a great cd purchaser, not because i download mp3's from the internet - to be honest i havent done so in approximately 7-8 years. The reason being that IMO most of the material that is now being published is crap. If you go to the music store it is just one "skanky" blond haired bimbo after another. So to the RIAA - if you shut down P2P, i still wont buy your music, deliver "decent" music by real artists! not clones dreamt up by your marketing departments. One way i would consider purchasing music though is on a subscription basis eg pay so much per month and it entitles you to so many "downloads" or what would be really cool would be to be able to go to a record store - bring your flash ram stick and select your songs, save them straight on your flash ram - walk out the door plug it into your mp3 player and off you go. Anyway nuff said
That is the best laugh i have had in ages - The chewbacca defense :)
Still laughing hehe
One interesting question would be, should this all eventuate the relational database filesystem that is. Does this then mean that the Windows "GUI" would then be a layer ontop of the database eg since the underlying filesystem is a database could third parties then create alternative "Window Mangers" for windows that hook into the "file sytem" This could be a good thing, stay tuned for MS selling "Coporate Desktop" and "Home Desktop" add ons for Longhorn
Thankyou for that tip! To be honest i wasnt aware of it how cool :)
To be honest that was my first reaction as well and to some extent i still think that. Im a system administrator for a relatively small company (22 servers) Running a mix of Mandrake Redhat (i started to bring this in but have sort of cooled a bit) and Sco Unix *shudder* Most the Redhat boxes are running 7.2 patched and up to date etc etc. I like the 7.2 release and i dont particularly want to upgrade when the machines are doing their jobs reliably and without a problem. As most of you know when you set up a server with the base OS there is extensive customisation to bring the machine into a production environment. This in iteself provides a good reason to not be upgrading so often as we all have better things to do than rebuilding machines over and over. Anyway i digress I am starting to look at this in a slightly different light. As has been said before we dont actually have to rely on RedHat for support. I myself have decided that i am going to get more into working with the source and do more of the work myself. Hell i know that i will learn things to boot. As things stand though the current RedHat products offer small to medium business little. And this move has made me re evaluate things.
Except to extend the product life time. I have several servers running 7.2 and to be honest It now comes down to do i 1. Get back on the upgrade cycle which i was rather enjoying not being on. 2. Cough up for Advanced Server and the various other flavours of RH, 3. Look at going to another distro - I was actually migrating the servers from Mandrake to RH but all that is now put on hold 2 Is probably the most likely course of action but then with a bit of planning I should only need to be patching the usual edge of network services which i can do manually. Either way RedHat was previously the distribution that i found comfortable to work with the shortened end of lifetime support period without the option of paying for extended support is as one person has put it a dealbreaker.
Tis amazing and really kind of sad what a couple of anally retentive politicians can do to a country. Our minister for imformation technology is most likely still trying to work out why computers come with cup holders.
ummmm why ????
Ummm, think the most appropriate thing would be to say ... Well Said!
hehehe