On a some what related note, Novell open sourced YaST, Hula and a bunch of other software after they acquired SUSE. I guess to show that they want to be on the open source bandwagon. It would be interesting to see if they will open source eDirectory to match Red Hat's move. Especially since the licenses are either free or so uber cheap.
I know this story is going to prompt people wanting to know how the Netscape directory server compares with OpenLDAP. I've never used the Netscape one but what I would really love to know is how does it stack up against Novell eDirectory? eDirectory isn't open source but the licenses are damn cheap, the first 250,000 licenses are free. Any LDAP experts care to share their opinions?
ORN: A lot of companies have been using OpenSSH in their products (Sun Microsystems, Cisco, Apple, GNU/Linux vendors, etc.). Did they give anything back, like donations or hardware?
Henning Brauer: Nobody ever gave us anything back. A plethora of vendors ship OpenSSH--commercial Unix vendors (basically all of them), all of the Linux distributors, and lots of hardware vendors (like HP in their switches)--but none of them seem to care; none of them ever gave us anything back. All of them should very well know that quality software doesn't "just happen," but needs some funding. Yet, they don't help at all.
That just blows. A while back the OpenBSD team had to raise funds to acquire Dell hardware so that their CVS server could scale up. The CVS server that holds repositories for all Open* projects. You would think that one of these companies would have just donated the hardware. But nope.
Thunderbird, is believed to be key to cracking the market dominance of Microsoft Outlook.
I doubt that. What makes Microsoft LookOut so appealing to big business, or even small business for that matter, is not that it's a great email client - it's the intergration with MS Exchange. Shared contact list, scheduling, folders, all from a central location. Is there a Mozilla server in the works?
You can have shared address books using LDAP but can you modify those contacts directly from the email client? Until that can happen lets not get too excited.
Do you have a URL for some documentation describing how to do that without using a Windows 2000 server? Meaning on a network with a Linux Samba server and Win2k/XP workstations as clients.
The KDE developers should follow Apple's lead and focus more on the needs of users, instead of insisting on software perfection.
I can't say I feel comfortable hearing that type of reasoning coming from a Lead Engineer of my favourite web browser. I'm not a Microsoft fan but if an IE developer made a comment like that then geeks would be cutting him or her up for that. I might be wrong since I am not a coder but wouldn't keeping software perfection a priority lead to less bugs in the future?
What does this mean for Novell software running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Right now they only support GroupWise and eDirectory if you are using RHEL 3 or 2.1 because RHEL4 has SELinux and Novell hasn't figured out a way to officially support their products on that platform. This was directly from a Novell support representative. Now if they are not choosing SELinux at all for SUSE then how long before they totally ditch RHEL as a supported option for eDirectory, GroupWise or any of their other software?
I was asking this earlier. Do you have any speed comparisons between Samba & netatalk while serving only Mac OS X clients? And what problem did you have while setting up domain authentication? I want to have authentication with an LDAP backend. Maybe it's me being naive but I didn't think it would be much of an issue if I use PAM + ldap to authenticate.
Does anyone know if there is any add-on "library" type software for OpenOffice?
For example, say I'm part of a team maintaining technical documentation. I log in using this phantom software and it shows me a list of documents in the library or archive. I can then check out a document to edit. The software now lists that document as checked out by me so that no one else can edit it until I return the doc.
For some real icing on the cake, if it even keeps track of changes between each revision a la ViewCVS.
I remember coming across some software that did part of this but it was a real hack. It involved getting each user to log into the document server using VNC and edit run several copies of OpenOffice directly on the server!
Mississauga pales in comparison to Markham when it comes to IT activity. Pretty much all the huge tech companies are located in Markham.. IBM, Apple, CGI, ATI. The list goes on.
I would really consider CentOS if you prefer using operating systems that are maintained by a team of developers. WBEL seems to be maintained by mainly one individual who works for a US library and he has made it clear that he does not want to relinquish control of the project to others. At least with CentOS you know if one team member decides that they don't have enough time for the project then someone else can pick up the slack.
I'm curious about Quasar. Uptil now I thought SQL-Ledger was the main open source contender when it came to small business accounting needs.
General question to anyone reading this comment: what has your experience been like with this software? Would you recommend it and are there any noticable faults with it?
That said, one of the things I love most about SuSE is yast, which has a wonderful n-curses based tool for when you are logged in via SSH. It really is spectacular.
YAST is one of the things that I don't like about SUSE. I'm not a fan of SuSEConfig either. I don't know... but I just prefer the text config files rather than being confined to a UI that someone else designed for me.
Blackberry Enterprise Server does not currently run on Linux. Check out the system requirements. So technically I have an excuse... oh wait a minute, I don't run Exchange anyway. Happy happy joy joy.
PF hasn't been ported to Linux. It has been ported to all the BSD operating systems. OpenSSH is userland software, not kernel, which is why it can run on so many platforms.
Personally I'm going to stay away from RHEL4 for atleast a couple of months. It was just released so give it time to stabilize... yes I know it's considered enterprise software but it's better to be safe than sorry. Having SELinux enabled might cause headaches right now. I'm not saying don't use it, it's definitely worth the extra effort for added security, but take your time. In any case, I tried installing Novell eDirectory and GroupWise on RHEL4 ES and it bombed so I guess I will have to wait until Novell certifies it first.
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On a some what related note, Novell open sourced YaST, Hula and a bunch of other software after they acquired SUSE. I guess to show that they want to be on the open source bandwagon. It would be interesting to see if they will open source eDirectory to match Red Hat's move. Especially since the licenses are either free or so uber cheap.
I know this story is going to prompt people wanting to know how the Netscape directory server compares with OpenLDAP. I've never used the Netscape one but what I would really love to know is how does it stack up against Novell eDirectory? eDirectory isn't open source but the licenses are damn cheap, the first 250,000 licenses are free. Any LDAP experts care to share their opinions?
Henning Brauer: Nobody ever gave us anything back. A plethora of vendors ship OpenSSH--commercial Unix vendors (basically all of them), all of the Linux distributors, and lots of hardware vendors (like HP in their switches)--but none of them seem to care; none of them ever gave us anything back. All of them should very well know that quality software doesn't "just happen," but needs some funding. Yet, they don't help at all.
That just blows. A while back the OpenBSD team had to raise funds to acquire Dell hardware so that their CVS server could scale up. The CVS server that holds repositories for all Open* projects. You would think that one of these companies would have just donated the hardware. But nope.
Some movement right here.
All that for under $500.
ftp://mirror.sg.depaul.edu/pub/OpenBSD/3.7/i386/
Got a URL?
I doubt that. What makes Microsoft LookOut so appealing to big business, or even small business for that matter, is not that it's a great email client - it's the intergration with MS Exchange. Shared contact list, scheduling, folders, all from a central location. Is there a Mozilla server in the works?
You can have shared address books using LDAP but can you modify those contacts directly from the email client? Until that can happen lets not get too excited.
Do you have a URL for some documentation describing how to do that without using a Windows 2000 server? Meaning on a network with a Linux Samba server and Win2k/XP workstations as clients.
I can't say I feel comfortable hearing that type of reasoning coming from a Lead Engineer of my favourite web browser. I'm not a Microsoft fan but if an IE developer made a comment like that then geeks would be cutting him or her up for that. I might be wrong since I am not a coder but wouldn't keeping software perfection a priority lead to less bugs in the future?
What does this mean for Novell software running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Right now they only support GroupWise and eDirectory if you are using RHEL 3 or 2.1 because RHEL4 has SELinux and Novell hasn't figured out a way to officially support their products on that platform. This was directly from a Novell support representative. Now if they are not choosing SELinux at all for SUSE then how long before they totally ditch RHEL as a supported option for eDirectory, GroupWise or any of their other software?
I was asking this earlier. Do you have any speed comparisons between Samba & netatalk while serving only Mac OS X clients? And what problem did you have while setting up domain authentication? I want to have authentication with an LDAP backend. Maybe it's me being naive but I didn't think it would be much of an issue if I use PAM + ldap to authenticate.
Has anyone else here compared netatalk with Samba? Which one is faster and offers the least amount of hassles?
Does anyone know if there is any add-on "library" type software for OpenOffice?
For example, say I'm part of a team maintaining technical documentation. I log in using this phantom software and it shows me a list of documents in the library or archive. I can then check out a document to edit. The software now lists that document as checked out by me so that no one else can edit it until I return the doc.
For some real icing on the cake, if it even keeps track of changes between each revision a la ViewCVS.
I remember coming across some software that did part of this but it was a real hack. It involved getting each user to log into the document server using VNC and edit run several copies of OpenOffice directly on the server!
Mississauga pales in comparison to Markham when it comes to IT activity. Pretty much all the huge tech companies are located in Markham.. IBM, Apple, CGI, ATI. The list goes on.
They're using Windows!!
Fat comic book store guy from Simpsons... is that really you??
I would really consider CentOS if you prefer using operating systems that are maintained by a team of developers. WBEL seems to be maintained by mainly one individual who works for a US library and he has made it clear that he does not want to relinquish control of the project to others. At least with CentOS you know if one team member decides that they don't have enough time for the project then someone else can pick up the slack.
I'm curious about Quasar. Uptil now I thought SQL-Ledger was the main open source contender when it came to small business accounting needs.
General question to anyone reading this comment: what has your experience been like with this software? Would you recommend it and are there any noticable faults with it?
You should really get some sleep.
Booya!
YAST is one of the things that I don't like about SUSE. I'm not a fan of SuSEConfig either. I don't know... but I just prefer the text config files rather than being confined to a UI that someone else designed for me.
Blackberry Enterprise Server does not currently run on Linux. Check out the system requirements. So technically I have an excuse... oh wait a minute, I don't run Exchange anyway. Happy happy joy joy.
Probably SQL-Ledger. It's GPL software but if you want the PDF manual then you have to pay $190. Notice how that isn't $200? Now that's savings ;)
PF hasn't been ported to Linux. It has been ported to all the BSD operating systems. OpenSSH is userland software, not kernel, which is why it can run on so many platforms.
Personally I'm going to stay away from RHEL4 for atleast a couple of months. It was just released so give it time to stabilize... yes I know it's considered enterprise software but it's better to be safe than sorry. Having SELinux enabled might cause headaches right now. I'm not saying don't use it, it's definitely worth the extra effort for added security, but take your time. In any case, I tried installing Novell eDirectory and GroupWise on RHEL4 ES and it bombed so I guess I will have to wait until Novell certifies it first.