The problem is two-fold 1. The only way to access revision history was through the non-OSS client 2. If the non-free client is revoked, developers are left with no way to export their own revision history
Tridgedell was not writing a Free client, exactly. He was writing a migration tool.
McVoy's position is equivelant to espousing vendor lock-in as a legitimate strategy, and if Tridgedell's description of his actions is effectively accurate, McVoy is just using this as an excuse.
McVoy should take his license if he wants, and then encourage Tridgedell to finish his export client so developers w/o a commercial license don't lose their revision histories.
In fact, it is clearly stated that he is uncomfortable with the situation simply because it is costing more money to support a free BK than the extra revenue such support is apparenty encouraging.
-- God! I sound like a NYT article, i mean editorial!
Irreducable complexity is a wonderful example of circular reasoning, and as such is highly offensive to someone who guesses that the universe was created and thinks that an emphatic belief in Atheism is much more silly than an emphatic belief in the existance of a Creator. From Behe's original book, a definition of irreducable complexity:
By irreducibly complex I mean a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning. An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly (that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism) by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional.
Imagine that a complex, but reducable system develops, and subsequently loses parts that are not necessary until no parts are unnecessary
An irreducibly complex biological system, if there is such a thing, would be a powerful challenge to Darwinian evolution.
Agreed, if the definition made sense
In fact, a working system with a non-essential part may evolve over time such that said part may become necessary. Take the network in modern business, which did not exist, was invented, moved into the military and the university and then into the public, becoming essential to the world economy in 3 or 4 decades. It used to be non-essential. But if the network ceased without warning, the "global economy" would quickly come to a standstill as all bank transactions would stop until the outage ended or the whole banking industry, which has lost the capacity to operate on a paper-only basis, switched back to paper, which would be in short supply if the industrial networking devices employed by the paper mills quit. Similarly, a working system with an essential part may evolve over time such that the part becomes unnecessary. For example, the mechanical typewriter which was so necessary for business at one time has been superceded by the PC.
But more directly, here's a more directly applicable little thought experiment, since it might be argued that the previous examples don't fit behe's tight little definition...
Let's consider the game of life. Establish rules concerning what cells in the grid are born, continue living or die based on their context. Mark some cells as "alive." Let the game start.
In many cases, the board converges to a repeating pattern or static shape. There are many such cases that were first found by randomly picking some of the cells to be alive in the first iteration. Further to the point, there exist cases where there are various clusters of live cells that interact with the other clusters to form patterns that repeat. These clusters may be thought of as "well matched parts that work together."
Pick one of those cases.
Now, interfere by removing one of the "live" cells, and let the game continue. Most likely, the repeating patterns fall apart or at least change, and the static shape is likely to become non-static.
A pattern/shape example of this type might have on the order of 10, 100, or 10^20 individual parts, but the shape might not have been "designed", but rather developed from a randomly chosen initial configuration that coalesced into an orderly dynamic system.
A. This postings title asks a hyperbolic and absurd question (are by-hand proofs dead) that is in no way implied by the article. B. This posting was on slashdot C. A && B => I'm not surprised
Please don't hand me a slippery slope argument about "first they came for the.us domains". We live in a reasonably free market economy. If there is a market for the kind of privacy you want, someone will sell it to you.
It is one _More_ tld to abuse by harvesting addresses. Spammers use false registration info to avoid getting caught, and use non-false registrations to harvest your email address. Law abiding people that value privacy and not spam and not stalkers, etc., should be able to register privately, like an unlisted phone number.
> What concerns me is that people feel that knowing who owns a given domain name is an unreasonable search.
Let us assume you are correct. Still, you only cover a small part of the issue.
Think communication: email, voip, jabber
Disallowing private registration is also similar to disallowing unlisted phone numbers.
Examples:
* private mail servers to keep your email archives private. What if you don't appreciate all of your private email being hosted on commercialwebsite.com, subject to their vacuous subpoena policies (sure, we'll bend our client over) and whatever their idea of security is?
* private voip domains.. when voip overtakes POTS, user@mydomain.com becomes your phone number. If you can't afford a static IP address, domains are needed. Then private phone numbers are outlawed.
And even so, what if your political views put your life in danger?
To be picky with the small details in the math: >Plus, by making the switches all case insensitive, >you've suddenly halved the number of possible >arguments No, not by half, it's by half 26 times: 2^26=67,108,864 times
Seminar on Revolutionary Exploits of President Kim Il Sung Held in Cambodia
Pyongyang, March 21 (KCNA) -- A seminar on the revolutionary exploits of President Kim Il Sung was held on March 16 by the FUNCINPEC Party of Cambodia on the occasion of the Day of the Sun.
Sun Chantol, deputy secretary general of the FUNCINPEC Party of Cambodia, stressed at the seminar that Generalissimo Kim Il Sung is a genius of idea and leadership and founded the great Juche idea and turned the country into a powerful one, independent, self-sufficient, and self-reliant in national defence.
He noted that Korea had the two wars against Japan and U.S., but the Korean people became the heroic people through these wars.
Noting that the Korean people successfully built the country on the debris after the cease-fire to make the country shine in the world, he said this is a great exploit of Kim Il Sung.
He stressed that Kim Il Sung had the close relation with Norodom Sihanouk, king of Cambodia, and gave the boundless love to him when the king was in difficulty.
He noted that the cause of Kim Il Sung is carried forward by Marshal Kim Jong Il with credit today. -0-
I'm glad to know where I can go for top notch true information
RSA encryption and decryption are both essentially 3 line algorithms. There are no known alternate ways to decrypt -- assuming the absence of an academic conspiracy to suppress its existance -- and so the patents were legally strong enough to block any unlicensed interoperable software.
See this for further legal and practical explanation.
The "we have to have abortions / avoid reproductive cloning to control population growth" argument is specious. Because people in modern cities tend to both have and use birth control for economic as well as personal reasons (children are too much trouble), the populuations growth rate is negative in every modernized country in the world except for America. America's being barely over the sustainability threshold is the effect of our huge inflow of immagrants. Europe is, in fact, facing a population imbalance crisis over the next 20 years that makes the fiscal crush the US is facing with the retiring baby boomers look like easy streets.
It is the case that people in undeveloped countries will not use birth control because their personal wealth is correlated to the number of children they have to work the farm, and the only largely undeveloped nations to stem the tide are those that, like China, are practicing essentially involuntary abortions and involuntary sterilizations.
The only both viable and tolerable path I have ever heard of toward stemming the population explosion is modernization, which is not a problem in North America or Europe.
It, on the surface at least, appears that even the UN has even essentially acknowledged that Malthus was wrong, in that their recently released supposed estimate of world population in the year 2300 says world population will be on the order of 9-10B, which is where previous estimates said we should be right now.
Take a look at apt-mirror.
It acts very much like it's built into apt, even with a file called/etc/apt/mirror.list (as opposed to/etc/apt/sources.list) that uses basically the same file format.
It was a much more satisfying experience than the last time I used debmirror (about 1 yr ago).
Slashdot Mirror
sun, and their servers, are not going anywhere, unless the military goes bankrupt, and the banking industry, and ...
The problem is two-fold
1. The only way to access revision history was through the non-OSS client
2. If the non-free client is revoked, developers are left with no way to export their own revision history
Tridgedell was not writing a Free client, exactly. He was writing a migration tool.
McVoy's position is equivelant to espousing vendor lock-in as a legitimate strategy, and if Tridgedell's description of his actions is effectively accurate, McVoy is just using this as an excuse.
McVoy should take his license if he wants, and then encourage Tridgedell to finish his export client so developers w/o a commercial license don't lose their revision histories.
In fact, it is clearly stated that he is uncomfortable with the situation simply because it is costing more money to support a free BK than the extra revenue such support is apparenty encouraging.
--
God! I sound like a NYT article, i mean editorial!
Keep the raw pornographic descriptions elsewhere
By irreducibly complex I mean a single system composed of several well-matched, interacting parts that contribute to the basic function, wherein the removal of any one of the parts causes the system to effectively cease functioning. An irreducibly complex system cannot be produced directly (that is, by continuously improving the initial function, which continues to work by the same mechanism) by slight, successive modifications of a precursor system, because any precursor to an irreducibly complex system that is missing a part is by definition nonfunctional.
Imagine that a complex, but reducable system develops, and subsequently loses parts that are not necessary until no parts are unnecessary
An irreducibly complex biological system, if there is such a thing, would be a powerful challenge to Darwinian evolution.
Agreed, if the definition made sense
In fact, a working system with a non-essential part may evolve over time such that said part may become necessary. Take the network in modern business, which did not exist, was invented, moved into the military and the university and then into the public, becoming essential to the world economy in 3 or 4 decades. It used to be non-essential. But if the network ceased without warning, the "global economy" would quickly come to a standstill as all bank transactions would stop until the outage ended or the whole banking industry, which has lost the capacity to operate on a paper-only basis, switched back to paper, which would be in short supply if the industrial networking devices employed by the paper mills quit. Similarly, a working system with an essential part may evolve over time such that the part becomes unnecessary. For example, the mechanical typewriter which was so necessary for business at one time has been superceded by the PC.
But more directly, here's a more directly applicable little thought experiment, since it might be argued that the previous examples don't fit behe's tight little definition...
Let's consider the game of life. Establish rules concerning what cells in the grid are born, continue living or die based on their context. Mark some cells as "alive." Let the game start. In many cases, the board converges to a repeating pattern or static shape. There are many such cases that were first found by randomly picking some of the cells to be alive in the first iteration. Further to the point, there exist cases where there are various clusters of live cells that interact with the other clusters to form patterns that repeat. These clusters may be thought of as "well matched parts that work together." Pick one of those cases.
Now, interfere by removing one of the "live" cells, and let the game continue. Most likely, the repeating patterns fall apart or at least change, and the static shape is likely to become non-static.
A pattern/shape example of this type might have on the order of 10, 100, or 10^20 individual parts, but the shape might not have been "designed", but rather developed from a randomly chosen initial configuration that coalesced into an orderly dynamic system.
No, Slashdot just have bad grammar.
No, Linux runs the earth! ENTER THE MATRIX -- World Domination!
A. This postings title asks a hyperbolic and absurd question (are by-hand proofs dead) that is in no way implied by the article.
B. This posting was on slashdot
C. A && B => I'm not surprised
April Fools! Due to unexpected engineering delays, Microsoft has been forced to release this joke 1 day late.
they're prolly still trying to work out all the extra bits, too.
You are all a bunch of punny borons
Not if it's illegal to do so.
It is one _More_ tld to abuse by harvesting addresses. Spammers use false registration info to avoid getting caught, and use non-false registrations to harvest your email address. Law abiding people that value privacy and not spam and not stalkers, etc., should be able to register privately, like an unlisted phone number.
> What concerns me is that people feel that knowing who owns a given domain name is an unreasonable search. Let us assume you are correct. Still, you only cover a small part of the issue. Think communication: email, voip, jabber Disallowing private registration is also similar to disallowing unlisted phone numbers. Examples: * private mail servers to keep your email archives private. What if you don't appreciate all of your private email being hosted on commercialwebsite.com, subject to their vacuous subpoena policies (sure, we'll bend our client over) and whatever their idea of security is? * private voip domains.. when voip overtakes POTS, user@mydomain.com becomes your phone number. If you can't afford a static IP address, domains are needed. Then private phone numbers are outlawed. And even so, what if your political views put your life in danger?
To be picky with the small details in the math:
>Plus, by making the switches all case insensitive, >you've suddenly halved the number of possible >arguments
No, not by half, it's by half 26 times:
2^26=67,108,864 times
I for one, welcome our brazilian overlords. Boa vinda, mestres
I for one, welcome our new Brazilian overlords
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You can't make this stuff up And mepr did not reply to mepr in a blatant display of karma whoring
Pyongyang, March 21 (KCNA) -- A seminar on the revolutionary exploits of President Kim Il Sung was held on March 16 by the FUNCINPEC Party of Cambodia on the occasion of the Day of the Sun. Sun Chantol, deputy secretary general of the FUNCINPEC Party of Cambodia, stressed at the seminar that Generalissimo Kim Il Sung is a genius of idea and leadership and founded the great Juche idea and turned the country into a powerful one, independent, self-sufficient, and self-reliant in national defence. He noted that Korea had the two wars against Japan and U.S., but the Korean people became the heroic people through these wars. Noting that the Korean people successfully built the country on the debris after the cease-fire to make the country shine in the world, he said this is a great exploit of Kim Il Sung. He stressed that Kim Il Sung had the close relation with Norodom Sihanouk, king of Cambodia, and gave the boundless love to him when the king was in difficulty. He noted that the cause of Kim Il Sung is carried forward by Marshal Kim Jong Il with credit today. -0-
I'm glad to know where I can go for top notch true informationI have to suggest that a patent on a process is possibly sufficient.
The rsa patent was narrow strong enough to prevent interoperable software
RSA encryption and decryption are both essentially 3 line algorithms. There are no known alternate ways to decrypt -- assuming the absence of an academic conspiracy to suppress its existance -- and so the patents were legally strong enough to block any unlicensed interoperable software.
See this for further legal and practical explanation.
The "we have to have abortions / avoid reproductive cloning to control population growth" argument is specious. Because people in modern cities tend to both have and use birth control for economic as well as personal reasons (children are too much trouble), the populuations growth rate is negative in every modernized country in the world except for America. America's being barely over the sustainability threshold is the effect of our huge inflow of immagrants. Europe is, in fact, facing a population imbalance crisis over the next 20 years that makes the fiscal crush the US is facing with the retiring baby boomers look like easy streets. It is the case that people in undeveloped countries will not use birth control because their personal wealth is correlated to the number of children they have to work the farm, and the only largely undeveloped nations to stem the tide are those that, like China, are practicing essentially involuntary abortions and involuntary sterilizations. The only both viable and tolerable path I have ever heard of toward stemming the population explosion is modernization, which is not a problem in North America or Europe. It, on the surface at least, appears that even the UN has even essentially acknowledged that Malthus was wrong, in that their recently released supposed estimate of world population in the year 2300 says world population will be on the order of 9-10B, which is where previous estimates said we should be right now.
We may finally have the ability to play duke nuke'em forever, but if anyone ever tries to observe the game being played the program dies.
Take a look at apt-mirror. It acts very much like it's built into apt, even with a file called /etc/apt/mirror.list (as opposed to /etc/apt/sources.list) that uses basically the same file format.
It was a much more satisfying experience than the last time I used debmirror (about 1 yr ago).
thank you
this above should have been modded up :)