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North Korea Opens Official Website

wumpus188 writes "This is what I believe is the first official North Korean internet site 'Naenara' ('My Country'). Free reg required (login 'slashdot', password 'password' for you lazy slackers :) I esp. enjoyed the 'Favorite Korean Movies' section."

382 comments

  1. Don by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Someone already changed the password.

    1. Re:Don by JPriest · · Score: 1

      email address is not required for registration, I just created oldwarez/oldwarez.

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    2. Re:Don by JPriest · · Score: 1

      BTW, looks like the movies and songs downloads are busy, but there are some good photos on the tourism page.

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    3. Re:Don by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Someone already changed the password."

      Some anonymous nerd out there late on a Friday night is sitting there saying "Ha ha!"

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    4. Re:Don by Orick · · Score: 1


      To balance that out, whoever is in charge of their Internet is now explaining to his boss how the Americans have rallied the world to create a Denial-Of-Service attack against their nation's first website through their super-secret weapon, the "Slashdot effect!"

      Good thing his boss doesn't read English.

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    5. Re:Don by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't have to login to view the articles. They show the article for a second or two, then check to see if you actually signed in; if not, you get redirected to the login page. All you have to do is press the browser stop button as soon as the article appears.

  2. If only... by ThePDW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now if only they could just figure out how to feed their people :-(

    1. Re:If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And give them internet access so they could read the site.

    2. Re:If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      That shouldn't be a problem, after all, didn't the "great leader" Kim Il Jung "invent" the hamburger?

    3. Re:If only... by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      Food? Mere food??

      They're doing an excellent example of meeting domestic needs. Reference: The leader Kim Jong Il, while on his visit to the Hamhung Disabled Soldiers' Plastic Daily Necessities Factory.

      They've made great strides in providing daily necessities. Who could ask for more?

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  3. Well well! by timealterer · · Score: 5, Funny

    I look forward to open, unbiased communication free of propoganda or heresay.

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    1. Re:Well well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
      I look forward to open, unbiased communication free of propoganda or heresay.

      Are you talking about the North Korean site or Slashdot?

    2. Re:Well well! by Nadsat · · Score: 1

      Hmm... I see your point. Sadly, I don't think they will be reading The CAPitALLism Manifesto anytime soon. God figure.

      But just in case, CAPitALLism sent their "contact us" page a letter of introduction :)

    3. Re:Well well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "God figure" Does North Korea claim to have a god or the god or some diety backing them up? I forget.

    4. Re:Well well! by stimpleton · · Score: 4, Funny



      Unlike the whitehouse??

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    5. Re:Well well! by pjt33 · · Score: 4, Funny

      And maybe written by people who know how to spell propaganda and hearsay.

    6. Re:Well well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fail to see why the grandparent has been modded funny (when it isn't), while the parent is unmoderated (when it's extremely funny).

    7. Re:Well well! by Zorilla · · Score: 2, Funny

      All North Korea needs now is their own version of whitehouse.com

      (Military joke, not a troll)

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    8. Re:Well well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off course the North Korean site. By their account, it can't be those mean nasty stupid Americans who invented the Internet. Since the Internet was invented by the North Korean, Slashdot can't possibly exist yet.

    9. Re:Well well! by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I am just enjoying a fresh new version of the musty old Stalinist boilerplate that made old-school communist publications just a joy to mock.

      Example: the photo captioned:

      Supreme Commander Kim Jong Il visits the Mangyongdae Revolutionary School on a snowy New Year's Day.

      This school is a grand palace of learning of the bereaved children of the revolutionary martyrs which President Kim Il Sung established in person.


      That sort of stuff hasn't made it west since the Enver Hoxa folks in Albania stopped shipping their stuff over for 'New Left' consumtion.
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    10. Re:Well well! by Halfbaked+Plan · · Score: 1

      I figured out how to 'break' the individual page out of the slideshow. direct link

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    11. Re:Well well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pjt33 is a fag and all members of the grammar mafia should DIE

    12. Re:Well well! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, are we still talking about Fox News? :D

  4. password already changed? by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Informative

    username: slashdot
    password: password

    Invalid password.

    1. Re:password already changed? by kyknos.org · · Score: 0, Redundant

      which moron has moded parent as redundant?

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    2. Re:password already changed? by azatht · · Score: 0

      BugMeNot says:
      user: bobdole
      pass: bobdole2

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    3. Re:password already changed? by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      If they had anybody actively monitoring this site... I take it they're not welcoming the slashdotting.

    4. Re:password already changed? by scupper · · Score: 1

      Username: Klinger
      Password: crossdresser

    5. Re:password already changed? by The+Evil+Couch · · Score: 1

      some troll has likely already changed it, to screw over all the other slashdotters. happens about everytime a user name and password gets posted :-/

    6. Re:password already changed? by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 2, Funny

      A moron with at least one extra mod point it seems. :P

  5. go get 'em boys by Killshot · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oooh.. let's see just how much bandwidth the north koreans have.

    1. Re:go get 'em boys by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Funny

      Apparently not much...

      I thought Nukes were something they weren't allowed to have. Who gave them PHP-Nuke?

    2. Re:go get 'em boys by Some+Bitch · · Score: 2, Informative

      You may find that bandwidth has nothing to do with it, it's more likely the load generated by PHP-Nuke has driven the server to it's knees.

    3. Re:go get 'em boys by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      "Bandwidth" has become such an overused word that it can now be taken to mean anything's capacity for throughput. It's either the Internet pipe or the processor, but something sure doesn't have enough bandwdith to serve up that site. Sad what the common folk do to our good tech words.

    4. Re:go get 'em boys by KrisHolland · · Score: 4, Funny

      " Oooh.. let's see just how much bandwidth the north koreans have."

      Watchout about wasting N. Korea's bandwidth, they've threatened nuclear war for less...

    5. Re:go get 'em boys by igrp · · Score: 3, Funny
      Cool, we just slashdotted an entire country.

      I'm so proud of my fellow /.'ers. ;)

    6. Re:go get 'em boys by Fishstick · · Score: 1

      How about it.

      I got re-organized under a manager who uses buzzword-bingo techno-speak, and his use of "bandwidth" as a syn for "capacity" drove me bonkers.

      Guy was a trainer that had been promoted to manager when his boss got moved around to cover the gap where another manager had left. He's a nice enough guy, and probably was an ok trainer, but sucked ass at being a manager.

      I ended up working for him when our training/documentation department (which included web dvlp for our doc sites) got split up. I was pressed into service as a server monkey, installing and "conditioning" the applications they were to train. (I jumped ship as quickly as I could).

      Never ceased to amaze me how he could use technical terms in non-technical context and vice versa.

      Talking about not having enough available trainer hours to meet a specific request for training:

      "We simply don't have the bandwidth right now."

      When he first described what he wanted me to do, setting up a clean database, then loading a prefab set of accounts and then make a backup that could be loaded before each class:

      "We need to condition the data and then create the 'golden copy' so that we can do a refresh before each delivery."

      arrgh!!!

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  6. Someone nukes N. Korea.... by mediaSage · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... With PHP!?!?!?

    1. Re:Someone nukes N. Korea.... by Capt'n+Hector · · Score: 1

      Yep. PHP-Nuke.

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    2. Re:Someone nukes N. Korea.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I also note that the communists have stolen patented western MP3 technology, probably with the assistance of pinko symp GNU/Linux hippies.

    3. Re:Someone nukes N. Korea.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for explaining the joke...

    4. Re:Someone nukes N. Korea.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Negative!

      In Soviet err North Korea, PHP nukes YOU!

    5. Re:Someone nukes N. Korea.... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      PHP, it's a weapon of mass construction..

  7. Not exactly the first... by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Informative

    KCNA, the NK "news" agensy has had a website for years in Japan. It is under the JP TLD, and the new one is under the NET TLD.

    KCNA functions as the spokesperson for the DPKR, the state of North Korea. Probably the least independent news agency in the world, Fox News included.

    1. Re:Not exactly the first... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      CNA, the NK "news" agensy has had a website for years in Japan. It is under the JP TLD, and the new one is under the NET TLD.

      North Korea has the "kp" TLD, but apparently this is "dormant". A Google search turns up a dozen .kp domains, but none seem to be online:
      marketing.kp/
      mori2.kiy.kp/
      tk2nd.dip.kp/
      winny3.co.kp/
      www.adtek.co.kp/
      www.flycretanchics.gr.kp/
      www.jestem.b.kp/
      www.kirin.co.kp/
      www.kt.rim.or.kp/
      www.nhk.or.kp/
      www.portopialand.co.kp/
      www.sagawa-exp.co.kp/
      www.smt.city.sendai.kp/
      www.taiyogo.co.kp/

    2. Re:Not exactly the first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both Fox and CNN suck. All they are interested in is tabloid style entertainment, not in true journalism. If they represent the jounalistic standards in the US than it's no wonder some Americans are so ill informed when it comes to world affairs.

    3. Re:Not exactly the first... by foobar77 · · Score: 1

      Interesting that the copyright date at the bottom of the home page is 2003. Probably took this long to get through the censors.

    4. Re:Not exactly the first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's teh funnay!

      Becuz Fox News is A TOOL OF THE BUSHIES

      ha ha ha ha ha

      Kerry Akbar!

  8. One Country by Scarblac · · Score: 4, Funny

    Click "One Country":

    Object not found!
    The requested URL was not found on this server. The link on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. Please inform the author of that page about the error.
    Error 404
    ...

    Kinda figures.

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    1. Re:One Country by fcolari · · Score: 1

      I was reading some of the "facts" on the website-- they consider Korea to be one country already, claming 222,200 km2 in land area and 70mil population, actually the sum of both figures of both North and South Korea. There is absolutely no mention of itself as "North Korea" nor any of "South Korea". I find this a little disconcerting, and if they did have nukes I'd be worried. If they believe their own prophaganda and have a means to make it real we're in trouble. To be fair, I checked out the South's website (y'know, to "shop around") and they still differentiate themselves from the North. And why does the PDRK need my e-mail address? I noticed it was red like the required entries but did not have the asterisk so I left it out. I'm probably in enough trouble checking out a website for the axis o' evil.

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  9. Already Bugmenot-ed by glMatrixMode · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's a funny thing : BugMeNot (still haven't installed this Firefox extension ?) already works with this website...

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    1. Re:Already Bugmenot-ed by Mard · · Score: 1

      You don't need an extension to use BugMeNot w/ firefox. This will work in mozilla as well.

      Create a new bookmark for the following address:
      http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url=%s

      Then add a keyword, such as "bugmenot". Name the bookmark whatever you'd like, and store it wherever you'd like (I placed it in the Quick Searches folder). To use it, just type "bugmenot " in the location bar and hit enter.

      You can create other searches in the same manner.
      Here's a nice tutorial: http://devedge.netscape.com/viewsource/2002/bookma rks/

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    2. Re:Already Bugmenot-ed by Finuvir · · Score: 1

      A more useful boookmark would pop open the bugmenot search results for the page you're on. Something like:

      javascript:(function(){window.open("http://www.b ug menot.com/view.php?url=" + document.location);})()

      This should also work in Internet Explorer and other browsers.

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    3. Re:Already Bugmenot-ed by platypussrex · · Score: 1

      I got the bookmarklet from their site and put it in the bookmark bar of Safari. Works like a charm

      javascript:void(window.open('http://bugmenot.comvi ew.php?mode=bookmarklet&url='+escape(location),'Bu gMeNot','location=no,status=yes,menubar=no,scrollb ars=yes,resizable=yes,width=385,height=450'))

      (Except for the random spaces that were inserted when I pasted into Slashdot)

  10. In the words of Stewie... by the_skywise · · Score: 3, Funny

    BLAST!

  11. slash 'em up by zxflash · · Score: 0, Troll

    may those damn communists endure the full wrath of the slashdot effect...

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  12. Not the first official homepage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
  13. Inside DPRK by Mmm+coffee · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Here's an interesting article about a man's experiences when he went into North Korea, in case anyone's wondering what's really going on in there.

    1. Re:Inside DPRK by tftp · · Score: 0, Troll
      A few [pins] commemorated the Arirang Festival, plus one or two sported the North Korean flag. Wearing either pin could probably get us jail time, or at the very least deported, in the South.

      Doesn't look like South Korea is very different from North. They indeed jail anyone who advocates unification or just closer ties...

    2. Re:Inside DPRK by friedo · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Yeah, they're pretty similar. Except for the fact that people in the sourth aren't starving by the millions, don't have a fanatical national cult leader, are free to leave and come back to the country whenever they want, have an independent press, a thriving economy and cordial relations with the civilized world.


      Yep. Very similar indeed.

    3. Re:Inside DPRK by LostCluster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      have an independent press

      But not a free press as the grandparent post pointed out some politcally unpopular ideas are taboo.

    4. Re:Inside DPRK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder in which country there are more people starving to death, North Korea or the United States?

    5. Re:Inside DPRK by pe1chl · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That is true in most countries, even those who think that they are free.

    6. Re:Inside DPRK by curiuz · · Score: 1

      And the most bandwidth per capita in the world whereas the north might qualify as having the least.

    7. Re:Inside DPRK by nordicfrost · · Score: 4, Informative
      have an independent press, a thriving economy


      I object! While the press in DPRK is 100% unfree, the south Korean pess is not free at all. My boss went there on a press convention for new media, and the SK journalists were absolutely flabergasted by the ammount of freedom the press we are used to here. Not only can you be arrested (and frequently people do) for saying certain things in the press, but the media is tightly controlled by a consotrium of owners. The only really free media is an online newssite where hundreds of persons, journalists and non-journalists alike, contribute and 20-some persons edit and publish.


      As for money, DPRK was actually richer than SK for a long time after the Korean war. They were bypassed in the eraly to mid 80ies since the USSR gave DPRK al lot of aid and trade. So did China.

    8. Re:Inside DPRK by grendelkhan · · Score: 1
      Doesn't look like South Korea is very different from North. They indeed jail anyone who advocates unification or just closer ties
      Hardly. There's been a major thawing in relations between the two in the last 10 years. While going around wearing a DPRK pin might get you some trouble, saying that you want better relations with the North or that the peninsula should be unified is actually pretty common these days.

      " President Roh Mu-hyun said in a press conference marking the New Year, "the inter-Korean relations are progressing steadily based on the spirit of the June 15 Joint Declaration.""
      Quote courtesy of NIS's Renuification Page

      The two Koreas have been fielding joint teams to major world sporting events for some time now. Hardly the mark of country that jails people for advocating closer ties.

      If you don't think the two Koreas are all the different, I'd invite you to go to South Korea some time, spend some time away from the touristy stuff and then say they aren't very different.
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    9. Re:Inside DPRK by nordicfrost · · Score: 1

      That's why they were all kinds of confused when my boss said that he would not hesitate one second on publishing a sincere apology for a mistake, something negative about the owners or refrain from mudslinging towards the competition.

    10. Re:Inside DPRK by ine8181 · · Score: 1

      I don't comment often here, but to say that South Korea is not free at all sounds a bit off the mark.

      You see, North Korea is not recognised as a foreign government, and that's stated in the constitution. It is an 'anti-government organisation', much like how US gov. sees Al Qaeda and the likes. That explains (not justifies) the knee-jerk responses from some people in South Korea.

      There exists a seldom-invoked anti-communism law, but the invocation of it causes a nation-wide sensation/outrage nowadays.

      The media is controlled by ..owners? Now, how's that different from any other privately owned company?

      DPRK has been better off than South Korea for some time, yes, but that hardly matters now when the North's GDP is 1/17 of the South.

      They are completely different. Except for the culture side.

      P.S. I am a (South) Korean born New Zealander. I have been over there last time at 2002.

    11. Re:Inside DPRK by dochood · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The South Korean media has a lot more freedom than it had under Chun Do Hwan.

      When Roh Tae Woo became president, he loosened up the restrictions on the media, and the very next day, they had one variety show where all of the voice impressionists they could find came out and did voice impressions of Roh and Chun! That was unheard of before.

      However, the government still does use the media to exercise its campaigns (keep our forests clean, don't honk obnoxiously at other drivers, let your kids get SOME sleep and not make them study all the time, etc). They often use drama and comedy shows to make their points.

      Right after we pressured them into buying our meat (back in the 80's when the trade deficit was really bad), a week later on a little kids' show, the adult characters were explaining to the kid characters on the show that the meat tasted so bad because it came from America, and it was all spoiled and full of hormones!

      The media is South Korea is still heavily censored and used by the government to make their points.

    12. Re:Inside DPRK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      O come on. At least in the US you actually get something for your food stamps. In North Korea all you can do is to eat the stamps themselves.

    13. Re:Inside DPRK by nativespeaker · · Score: 1

      I'm a foreigner, and it's even worse for the English newspapers -- they've gotten a bit better, and they report *big* stories, but it still gets a pretty good whitewashing before we see it. Not too mention multi-page 'special reports' on how splendid Samsung shipping liners are, and how thin they can make TVs...gag. In other news, Korea kicks ass, say sources.

    14. Re:Inside DPRK by Epistax · · Score: 1

      but the media is tightly controlled by a consotrium of owners.

      Ted Turner, Rupert Murdoch, Michael Eisner, Jeffrey Immelt for starters. Throw in a couple more names and you have half the newspapers in the US.

    15. Re:Inside DPRK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PSA: Turner was forced out of power and doesn't control anything anymore. His CNN has been part and parcel of the Republican Party for years; there's no way that would be allowed by a left-winger like Turner (who married Jane Fonda!).

      Equally notorious right-wing media magnate Conrad Black was forced out of power lately, so it sort of evens out.

    16. Re:Inside DPRK by BrainInAJar · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad...

      Leonard Asper is owner of Global media, which owns every major news source in Canada save for the CBC (government funded private partnership) and the Globe and Mail, owned by Bell Globemedia...

      If you don't read the Globe, you've got a choice of Asper's opinion, or Asper's opinion.

    17. Re:Inside DPRK by bishiraver · · Score: 1

      And this is different from the US how? The Dixie Chicks mentioned their disagreement with the government and their musical careers are over. It may not be a taboo via government regulations, but if you say something too unpopular, you can get burned just as bad in the US. If not worse.

  14. Re:Free Gmail invitation here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    All the cool nerds already have North Korean webmail.

  15. Server in Germany? by Wingnut64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    traceroute says that the 2nd to last hop is kcc.cust-gw.ipberlin.com, following some .de domains.

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    1. Re:Server in Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it's in Germany, or at least a German ISP. You should have used whois on their IP. However, they may be renting out subnets for satellite connections. They *should* be documenting that in the whoisdb but many ISPs don't bother.

    2. Re:Server in Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whois.psi-usa.info:
      The domain belongs to
      "KCC Europe GmbH" (Berlin).

      whois.ripe.net:
      The webserver IP address is assigned to
      "I/P/B Internet Provider in Berlin".

    3. Re:Server in Germany? by rally_redhat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yup - it's in Germany all right.

      Try this link - it's the result of Netcraft's "What's that site running?" page.

      According to it, the netblock owner is some " I/P/B Internet Provider in Berlin".

    4. Re:Server in Germany? by zz99 · · Score: 2, Informative
      It is a german that owns the domain.

      whois kcckp.net gives this:
      domain: kcckp.net
      created: 2004-05-28 15:47:12
      expire: 2005-11-25 04:14:15

      title: CEO
      fname: Jan
      lname: Holtermann
      org: KCC Europe GmbH
      address: Glinka Str. 5-7
      city: Berlin
      (edited to pass the junk filter)
    5. Re:Server in Germany? by zz99 · · Score: 1

      "KCC Europe" stands for Korea Computer Center (link to a page in german) and seems to be a company with relations to North Korea.

      My german is a little rusty. Anyone who can translate?

    6. Re:Server in Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your one sentence says all.

      it's just a small IT company located near the north-korean embasyy in berlin which is doing some business with north koreans.

      some blabla about goals (bringing internet/email to some "chosen citizens" and foreigners in north-korea). but nothing of interest.

      perhaps something... they state about some future programming services done by cheap north-korean slaves... eh citizens ;)

    7. Re:Server in Germany? by Hank+Chinaski · · Score: 1

      in the news section "aktuelles" is a headline "diktatur am netz" which translates to "dictatorship on-line" :p

      http://www.kcc-europe.de/index.cfm?defnav=aktuelle &content=aktuelle

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    8. Re:Server in Germany? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      http://www.kcc-europe.de/index.cfm?defnav=aktuelle &content=aktuelle&showdetail=03123001

      Ein Berliner bringt das Internet nach Nordkorea

      A doughnut brings the internet to North Korea.

      Berliner Kurier: Berlin, 30. December 2003. Anschlüsse gibt es aber nur für regierungstreue Firmen und Behörden.

      Berliner Kurier (Newspaper): Berlin, 30. December 2003. But access is only given to companies and agencies which are loyal to the government.

      Jan Holthusen investierte mit seiner Firma KCC Europe 700 000 Euro, um Geschäfte mit Nordkorea zu machen. (Foto: V.Otto)

      Jan Holthusen's company KCC Europe invested 700,000 Euros in order to do business with North Korea. (Foto: V.Otto)

      Es ist der letzte Staat der Welt ohne Internet. Jetzt hilft der Berliner Jan Holtermann (49) Nordkorea ans Netz.

      It's the last country in the world without Internet. Now Jan Holtermann (49) from Berlin helps North Korea onto the net.

      Die guten Verbindungen in die ostasiatischen Diktatur hat der Kaufmann noch aus Nach-Wende-Zeiten. "Da verkaufte ich EDV-Anlagen aus der DDR nach Nordkorea."

      The businessman's good connections to the east asian dictatorship go back to the time after the fall of the Berlin wall. "Back then I sold computer systems from the GDR to North Korea."

      Er beriet die Asiaten bei Verträgen und Transaktionen, kam dann im Jahr 2000 zum ersten Mal in die Hauptstadt Pjöngjang. Dort stellt er fest: Kein Internet. Nirgendwo.

      He advised the Asians concerning contracts and transactions, in 2000 he travelled to the capitol Pjoengjang for the first time. There he noticed: No Internet. Nowhere.

      "Das ist die Chance, Geld zu verdienen", sagte sich der findige Unternehmer. Er gründete die KCC Europe GmbH. Jan Holtermann: "KCC heißt Korea Computer Center."

      "That is a chance to make money", said the resourceful entrepreneur. He founded the KCC Europe GmbH. Jan Holtermann: "KCC means Korea Computer Center."

      Seine Firma mit 15 Mitarbeitern schloss in diesem Jahr einen Exklusiv-Vertrag mit den Nordkoreanern zur Einrichtung und kommerziellen Nutzung des Internet ab.

      This year, his company with 15 employees signed an exclusive contract on installation and commercial use of the Internet with the North Koreans.

      2004, genau gesagt am 16. Februar 2004, startet das gemeinsame Projekt nach einem Test-Betrieb. Internet-Zugänge werden dann in ausgewählten Firmen und Regierungsstellen stehen. Nicht in Privathaushalten, für die ohnehin nur regionale Telefonverbindungen möglich sind.

      In 2004, on the 16th of February, to be precise, the project started after a testing phase. Internet connections will be available in selected companies and government agencies. Not in private homes, who only have access to regional phone connections anyway.

      Holtermann: "Es gibt rund 6000 sehr gut ausgebildete Programmierer. Sie mit Dienstleistungen zu beschäftigen, kostet einen Unternehmer nur kleines Geld."

      Holtermann: "There are about 6000 well trained programmers. It doesn't cost much to have them provide their services.

      Außerdem entwickeln die Nordkoreaner preiswerte Betriebssysteme für Handys, mobile Datenbank Systeme und Video-Konferenz-Systeme. "Alles preiswert und gut", sagt Holtermann. "Sie gewinnen viele internationale Preise."

      The North Koreans also develop inexpensive operating systems for mobile phones, mobile database systems and video conferencing systems. "All inexpensive and good", says Holtermann. "They receive many international awards."

      Der Server für den Datentransfer steht in der Botschaft Nordkoreas in der Glinkastraße. Um teure Kosten für die Satellitenverbindu

    9. Re:Server in Germany? by Echnin · · Score: 1
      Ein Berliner bringt das Internet nach Nordkorea

      A doughnut brings the internet to North Korea.

      Is that a reference to JFK's speech? :)

      --
      Lalala
  16. In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... the first North Korean internet site has been slashdotted.

    1. Re:In related news... by Horkdoom · · Score: 1

      Go figure, they will probably think it is some type of American attack to bring down their website.

      Damn us capitalists and all of our fancy computers.

  17. username 'shashdot' is now invalid by p0 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    and I am too lazy to give it a second try

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    This is my sig. There are thousands more, but this one is mine.
  18. do they have a blog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Jul 17 2004 05:11:34 | posted by KJI | category: missles | comments: 0

    Wanted to let you know that we've got a shitload of big new missles. I hope everybody shows up to watch the army goose-step in front of them. Show up, it'll be a blast. And if you don't you'll be shot.

    Jul 16 2004 19:23:44 | posted by KJI | category: food | comments: 3245243

    Ugh I totally can't figure out this computer. Anyway just enjoying some kimchi wanted to let you know that. I hope everybody is having a good dinner tonight.

    Update: yow, didn't mean to touch a nerve there... go out and hunt for grubs or something, can't help yah.

    Jul 12 2004 09:30:01 | posted by KJI | category: admin | comments: 1

    Hey yall SUP! just got my blog up and running. I'm gonna post some of favorite american movies here in a sec. I hope someday we can have movie theatres here, eh? HOt buttered popcorn for me!

  19. Korea is a Utopia i say! by laserbeak · · Score: 1
    Korea is one!
    Homogeneous society.
    Community. Identity. Stability. The dystopia that is.. Korea!
    1. Re:Korea is a Utopia i say! by HoneyBunchesOfGoats · · Score: 1
  20. world class unbiased news by mepr · · Score: 0
    Seminar on Revolutionary Exploits of President Kim Il Sung Held in Cambodia

    Pyongyang, March 21 (KCNA) -- A seminar on the revolutionary exploits of President Kim Il Sung was held on March 16 by the FUNCINPEC Party of Cambodia on the occasion of the Day of the Sun. Sun Chantol, deputy secretary general of the FUNCINPEC Party of Cambodia, stressed at the seminar that Generalissimo Kim Il Sung is a genius of idea and leadership and founded the great Juche idea and turned the country into a powerful one, independent, self-sufficient, and self-reliant in national defence. He noted that Korea had the two wars against Japan and U.S., but the Korean people became the heroic people through these wars. Noting that the Korean people successfully built the country on the debris after the cease-fire to make the country shine in the world, he said this is a great exploit of Kim Il Sung. He stressed that Kim Il Sung had the close relation with Norodom Sihanouk, king of Cambodia, and gave the boundless love to him when the king was in difficulty. He noted that the cause of Kim Il Sung is carried forward by Marshal Kim Jong Il with credit today. -0-

    I'm glad to know where I can go for top notch true information
    1. Re:world class unbiased news by mepr · · Score: 0

      You can't make this stuff up And mepr did not reply to mepr in a blatant display of karma whoring

  21. Not really the first one by deepsky · · Score: 2, Informative

    What about the "official web site"?
    http://www.korea-dpr.com/

  22. Their Server Runs SUSE! by rally_redhat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As mentioned before, clicking on their "One Korea" link gets you to a "page unavailable" message:

    Object not found!

    The requested URL was not found on this server. The link on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. Please inform the author of that page about the error.

    If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
    Error 404
    www.kcckp.net
    Sat Jul 17 18:31:28 2004
    Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE)

    Look at the last line.

    I was amazed initially - I thought "Linux really is everywhere" - until I realised that Microsoft probably doesn't have any branches in North Korea! That's one country where there won't be too many IIS servers!

    1. Re:Their Server Runs SUSE! by jupitercore · · Score: 1

      I saw this too.

      Maybe I don't have a clue, but how can such a closed society use something so open and world community driven?

    2. Re:Their Server Runs SUSE! by Combuchan · · Score: 1

      Of course they run open source software. Everyone knows that when you support open source, you support communism!

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      "[T]he single essential element on which all discoveries will be dependent is human freedom." -- Barry Goldwater
    3. Re:Their Server Runs SUSE! by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      It should be needless to say that no American mega-company is going to do any business in a country under trade sanctions... and particularly not with the regime ruling it. I have to wonder if this is an official site or just a ploy for a silly Slashdoting... afterall, it's Michael posting.

    4. Re:Their Server Runs SUSE! by zz99 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or, perhaps it is because the server is located in Germany, and run by a German company

    5. Re:Their Server Runs SUSE! by alekd · · Score: 1

      I was in North Korea a couple of years ago. In the biggest library in Pyongyang they had a room with computers, all of them running a Korean version of Microsoft Windows. Even if Microsoft is not selling them software, they can still copy and use it as they please. I doubt they have any copyright legislation.

      But you are right in there not being too many IIS servers. Not much need for them when you are not connected to the Internet (top party brass excluded). I doubt they ever will be under the current system. The country is too poor to build even a Saudi or Chinese-style firewall, and even that would not be sufficient in a country where information is so tightly controlled.

      North Korea is after all the country where you cannot tune into channels on radios and television sets. These come pretuned to government channels in order to stop people from listening to foreign broadcasts.

    6. Re:Their Server Runs SUSE! by infolib · · Score: 1

      According to this page, the DPRK elite schools use win98-en. (No net connection, perhaps for the risk of virii?)

      --
      Any sufficiently advanced libertarian utopia is indistinguishable from government.
  23. Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by infolib · · Score: 4, Informative

    In 1999 a german Doctor gained the confidence of the regime. Getting behind the 70ies-kitschy facade, he came back to report on the oppression and poverty.

    Google will find you lots of interviews about his experiences.

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    Any sufficiently advanced libertarian utopia is indistinguishable from government.
    1. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Scarblac · · Score: 1

      That hurts. I knew it was bad, but these two articles really drove it home. Compared to that, Iraq must have been rather good. How will we ever end it?

      They're so brain washed, their army would probably put up a fight if a coalition of nations were to try to liberate them. And the army isn't small - millions would die. But a peaceful way to end it doesn't seem likely. :-(

      That sort of article makes me ashamed to score a +5 Funny on the fact that their website has a 404 page...

      I suggest moderators mod you up.

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      I believe posters are recognized by their sig. So I made one.
    2. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's people like that guy and you who make their situation so desperate. Stop trying to "end it". Let them be, and then they'll know no one wants to destroy them. When they know that, they won't have to spend half of their budget on weapons just to defend themselves from those westerners who "know better".

      We don't know better. Our society is screwed. Stop acting so superior.

    3. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1

      Let them be, and then they'll know no one wants to destroy them. When they know that, they won't have to spend half of their budget on weapons just to defend themselves from those westerners who "know better". There's little evidence that dictators magically fall once outside pressure is removed, (outside pressure is easy to fake if you feel you need it) but even accepting that there's the small issue of nuclear technology sales to various shady countries and people. A hands off approach is a lot easier to argue for with countries that look like they will have a revolution any day now--like Iran. Were I in charge, that's exactly what I'd do--declare war if NK keeps selling weapons and nukes for cash, but other than that let them do whatever they want. It's the only reasonable policy--if the current situation in Iraq is too much for Americans to stomach, surely invading North Korea would be many, many times worse. But in general, although Jesus was silent on the issue, I am very much in favor of removing the plank from my neighbors eye before the splinter from my own.

    4. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [S]He's flamebaiting you. No need to waste your verbal abilites on people of demonstrated and perhaps willful ignorance.

    5. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way north korea would be "free" is with nukes. there army is to big to be conqured by the us. maybe that china has an army big enough to do the job, but they are not going to liberate another country.

    6. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, Jesus was far from silent on the issue of passing judgement on others. But that's beside the point.

      As for the fall of dictators... again, you're passing judgement. Who are you to say that the leader should fall? That's up to North Korea's citizens and its current cultural perspective.

    7. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Compared to that, Iraq must have been rather good. How will we ever end it?


      North Korea doesn't have oil or any strategic interests at all to the United States. Why would we care about them? They're already communist and not posing a direct threat to any democratic nations in the region. Let them be and stagnate. I call this policy "appeasement" and I think it works best with nations like North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Germany, etc.

    8. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by daviddennis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Have you ever visited a Communist country?

      I have, Cuba in December 2002. It was a real eye-opener to see armed police on every street corner and people scared to talk to you when you took them out to a restaurant, because they knew the waiters are spies. And I'm not kidding.

      To see fear in the eyes of people, because they would be punished with three years in Re-Education Camp if they told you the truth ... that eliminates the "our society is screwed" attitude real fast.

      I know our society is imperfect. So are people, and so are all societies. But to say that people like living under tyranny because they don't have the power to overthrow it is just plain wrong.

      Incidentally, Castro wants Cubans to hate us, because it creates solidarity for his policies within Cuba. But after decades of deprivation compared to how life was pre-Castro, this is wearing more than a little thin. In my experience, it isn't working now. Every Cuban I encountered - and I encountered many - loves America.

      It seems like you have to live in a tyranny - or at least know what one's like - to appreciate what we have here.

      D

    9. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compared to that, Iraq must have been rather good.

      Iraq was rather good. According to Michael Moore's award-winning documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11," children freely played in the streets in Baghdad. Men and women alike roamed around without a care in the world. It is only through the carelessness of "President" George W. Bush that so many innocents have been killed.

      Sincerely,
      The Liberal Media

    10. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, don't get me wrong. I agree totally; people shouldn't have to live like that. I'm not a member of Amnesty for nothing.

      But none of this answers the question of WHY they are living like that.

      For one thing, the remaining communist countries are struggling after the collapse of the Soviet Union meant less trade. The US had a direct hand in that collapse. So, by definition, the problems of communist countries are, if only in part, actually capitalist flaws.

      Besides that, decades ago, the US and Britain got together to sell their culture to everyone else: to make English the default language, to spread western cultural ideas, western goals. They are constantly selling their products -- holywood films of idealised people and idealised life, idealised work -- all of which are essentially lies, even if we don't recognise it ourselves. Face it -- that's propaganda. No wonder China is trying to control the import of western Cinema etc.

      So naturally, when you're trying to run a country based on a certain system, and your citizens are constantly being bribed with the fake streets-paved-with-gold ideals of western capitalism, you're going to end up with a tighter and tighter hold on the reigns to try to maintain order.

      Yes, maintaining such tight control is wrong. If it comes to a choice between oppressing your citizens or stepping down, then it's time it's time to give up and let them try something new. But it's a slippery slope between implementing a few controls and becoming a dictatorship. Hell, the Bush has had a good start on it in just a few years now, and, by the last figures I saw, about half of the US population still wants to re-elect him.

      So, yes. Every country has problems. But we don't need to make them worse by acting like an administration is the source of all evil. The world is more complex than that.

    11. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1
      But after decades of deprivation compared to how life was pre-Castro, this is wearing more than a little thin.

      I'm not saying things aren't bad in Cuba now, but if you think Cuba was a paradise before Castro came to power, one of us is very wrong. Perhaps this can be a bit of an eye opener. From what I know--and I might be wrong--those living under Batista were likely just as oppressed, and just as afraid of government retaliation for speaking out, as those living under Castro now.

    12. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, form your comments I can tell you have never, Ever, been anywhere NEAR Cuba. Mexico, maybe.

      I live in Canada and have a brother who lives in Cuba. I routinly go down there to visit him, and it is nothing like you seem to think it is.

      And let me say that Castro and Communism are about the only thing holding that country together. Cuba is so much better off than any of the countries around it who use the 'superiour' capitalist system.

    13. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1
      My Jesus reference was to a specific parable. The plank and the splinter? Contrast Jesus's line with mine. Get it?

      Who's to say America shouldn't invade? Relativism goes both ways, my friend. "current cultural perspective"--nice euphemism for "whoever has the most guns and power and murderous will to use them properly".

    14. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      I certainly do not claim that Cuba was a paradise under Batista. It was not. But was it better than the way things are now?

      Batista's oppression appears to have been largely confined to genuine military opponents, who he ignored until they became genuine threats. Castro locks up people for 24 years for providing lending libraries for anti-Castro books.

      Even during the Revolution, private newspapers published their own opinions. They may have been occasionally censored, but they could still publish. Castro eliminated all private newspapers, replacing them with his dull as dishwater state press.

      Because there was a much freeer press pre-Castro, there were significant checks and balances on the regime. If people were unjustly tried and executed, people would know about it, and both sides of the case would be covered. Not true under Castro.

      So no, I'm not going to defend Batista as a perfect ruler, or even a good one. But we're comparing a mediocre dictator with a bad one. Mediocrity wins.

      D

    15. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by mpthompson · · Score: 1

      But none of this answers the question of WHY they are living like that.

      I think the parent post answered this question nicely. They live like that because they don't have a choice.

      For one thing, the remaining communist countries are struggling after the collapse of the Soviet Union meant less trade. The US had a direct hand in that collapse. So, by definition, the problems of communist countries are, if only in part, actually capitalist flaws.

      (Rolling my eyes) With logic as twisted as this I certainly hope you aren't supporting yourself as a programmer. I would hate to see what your code looks like.

    16. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      Cuba is a fascinating place largely because you can really read into it whatever you want. I saw collapsing buildings and people whose desire to rise in life was stunted by a cruel and clumsy regime. Others see free healthcare, even though it takes connections, bribes or overlong waits to get it.

      I spent my entire visit in Havana, and it's quite likely that the police presence diminished significantly outside the capital. That could account for us both visiting Cuba in good faith and seeing very different things.

      I really enjoyed my visit to Cuba, actually more than any other trip I'd taken before or since. It was just so fascinating to see Communism at work. Can't say I liked what I saw, but the Cuban people are amazingly friendly and hospitable, and they made my visit a joy. I suspect that's one thing we can agree on :-).

      D

    17. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Bob+Uhl · · Score: 1
      That hurts. I knew it was bad, but these two articles really drove it home. Compared to that, Iraq must have been rather good. How will we ever end it?

      That's a really, really tough question. NK has enough artillery pointed at Seoul to destroy the city several times over, and has nukes. Unlike Iraq, we simply can't escalate for years and then destroy it: if we take any action, it will need to be decisive in the first few minutes. We'd need to take out every artillery piece and every nuke in the country in, say, 15 minutes. It's a tough nut to crack.

      That's part of why we went into Iraq when we did: it was getting worse and worse, and had we waited until Hussein had nukes capable of hitting civilised states (Kuwait and Israel are where I figure he'd aim 'em), we'd have been much more constrained.

      It's possible that when the current Kim dies that we will be able to resolve things, but I fear that we're looking at another, smaller Cold War situation: we have to wait until the North Koreans wise up to their system. That may take awhile.

      And meanwhile men, women and children die daily in death camps--and we in the civilised world can do nothing about it.

    18. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Castro eliminated all private newspapers

      Do you even understand the ideas behind communism? Surely you don't think that private media was dismantled because of a petty interest in censorship? Sheesh.

    19. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, "because they don't have a choice" is not an explanation. And certainly not an analysis, nor an attempt at one.

      And ad-hominem attacks are certainly not logical. In fact, they are fallacies.

    20. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, really. This is entirely relative to cultural perspective. One man's oppression is another man's law enforcement. There have even been papers written on such seemingly "basic" things as whether human rights apply in certain countries, due to their cultural differences. I think they do, of course, but certainly there's enough room for mistakes in a capitalist country's conception of a communist one that we should be very wary of judgementalism.

    21. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but the Cuban people are amazingly friendly and hospitable, and they made my visit a joy

      It's interesting that you mention that. I once talked with someone from Romania, who said that the atmosphere changed dramatically after the rise of capitalism. Before, people had been warmer and friendlier.

      This is one of the things I find most interesting about communism. Aside from the economic details, there is a different culture that should be counted as part of the system's "wealth". The virtue of an economic system should not be measured by the number of toys kids get at christmas.

    22. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 1
      No, really. This is entirely relative to cultural perspective. One man's judgmental imperialism is another man's liberation from dictatorship. There have even been papers writen on such seemingly "basic" things such as whether national sovereignty apply in the face of certain human rights abuses. I don't think they do, of course, but certainly there's enough room for mistakes in a relativist's conception of humanity in general that we should be very wary of judgmentalism.

      Look, I'm pretty far to the left. I don't care about capitalism at all. But how is a country supposed to express it's cultural differences if there are no elections or right of dissent? The DPRK represents the cultural will of only two people--Kim Il Sung and Kim Jong Il.

    23. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, to date no Communist country has existed without some form of money, however degraded. As long as there is money, some form of private enterprise does exist, even if it's "Okay, I'll fix your TV for 50 rubles". The theory of Communism is very different from its practice.

      Private media was not dismantled. It was destroyed through deliberate actions of the regime.

      At the time the newspapers were suppressed, the economy was largely capitalist. His policies focused very clearly on the elimination of dissent through the elimination of private news reporting.

      How can you call this "a petty interest in censorship" when it's something every Communist dictatorship has had to do in order to hold on to power? That's not "petty" at all. It's central to the whole system.

      D

    24. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      The US is one of the closest countries to Cuba and I daresay it's capitalist, but I'd argue the average American is far better off economically than the average Cuban.

      But I think what you're really referring to is crony capitalist/strongman-run countries like Haiti and the Dominican Republic. That's an entirely different type of economic system from the one we enjoy.

      As for not thinking I visited Cuba, I find that pretty funny. Guess those 650-odd pictures I took were just a mirage. I found my trip to Cuba fascinating and eye-opening, and I thought the Cuban people were fantastic - friendly and easy to talk to. That being said, the system they're under is appalling - at least if you're willing to look. If your brother's a Communist Party bureaucrat he may think everything's great and he may be able to persuade you -- but the facts on the ground are different.

      I should probably mention, though, that I didn't leave Havana, so it's very possible, indeed likely, that the law enforcement presence is less oppressive outside the capital. I did a lot of walking and very little driving, which made it a lot easier for me to see how things really are.

      D

    25. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1
      Who was worse is a tough call, but I still think you're overestimating if you call Batista ``mediocre.'' Political dissent was, as far as I know, repressed under him, as well. Was it better or worse than Castro? Again, who can tell. But pre-Castro, Cuba was a gambling haven for wealthy Americans with no respect for the human rights of the people--who largely lived in neglected poverty, so long as they kept out of the way of tourists. Batista showed no interest in providing a livelihood for his people, and really no interest in anything but maintaining his own power.

      Castro has continued to pay some interest to the ideals of Communism, as evinced by his unwillingness to privatise industry and exploit his people as the Chinese have, and by some of his, if I may say so, mediocre attempts at providing education, health care, and employment for his people. Perhaps this is just rhetoric to keep the masses in line, but I really don't see how he can be much worse than Batista, who showed no token interest in his people--so perhaps it wasn't so much that he allowed public opposition as he had no interest in a façade of humanitarianism--made no effort to better his country, locked up and murdered political opposition, and was nothing but a pawn for foreign powers (most of these attributes can be applied to Castro, as well; my point is that when people talk about Castro and how Communism hurt that country, they're blaming Communism for something that was around long before).

    26. Re:Inside DPRK: behind the scenes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying that people sometimes work illegally? I wouldn't dispute that. How is it relevant, though?

      I'm not sure it matters, either, whether private media is dismantled or destroyed. We're only talking about an organisation, after all. Unless you're saying that people died or something, I see no problem with that being deliberate. The BBC is essentially public-sector media organisation, after all.

      Granted, though; I didn't realise there had been a focus on elimination of dissent. Assuming your facts are accurate, I agree that the case in question is wrong. But the wider issues of "destroying" private media? What's the difference? It's not like Fox is better than the BBC anyway.

  24. Linux by amembleton · · Score: 1

    They mention Linux, so its alright:

    "KCC regards it as its immediate target to reach the world level and to be competent in the world market in a few years in development of Linux-based operating system and applications, computer-aided high technology and services with its own core technology."

    Source: KCC

    1. Re:Linux by Callik · · Score: 0

      Kinda figures really; in a country where they struggle to feed the population, they're hardly gonna be paying out vast sums of money for Microsoft products when one can obtain tons of Linux stuff for free.

    2. Re:Linux by amembleton · · Score: 1

      If they wanted Microsoft products they would just copy them or download them for virtually the same price as Linux products.

      It only costs money if you are in a coutnry that enforces or even has anti-piracy laws and I doubt that North Korea would. Especially as Microsoft is an American software vendor.

      Its probably more of an anti-Microsoft, anti-Capitilism stance.

    3. Re:Linux by smchris · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I figured that was the point of a Slashdot reference!

      Credit where credit is due, it seems like a well-designed web site actually.

      Now that I'm registered with them, I think we should have a Slashdot poll on how many international intelligence agencies would be monitoring my web mail from this site should I whimsically decide to use such.

    4. Re:Linux by utopyr · · Score: 1

      I suspect it's the monolithic kernel that appeals to them.

  25. reminds me of whitehouse.gov by kyknos.org · · Score: 1

    it is really similar

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    SHE does throw dice.
  26. Welcome the the Internet by john_smith_45678 · · Score: 1

    North Korea's first web site, and you try to welcome them with a slashdotting? Should do wonders for US-North Korean relations!

    BTW, why's the site in English?

    1. Re:Welcome the the Internet by obli · · Score: 1

      Obviosly because someone clicked the red text that says "ENGLISH" to get an English version of the page.

    2. Re:Welcome the the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, let me guess... You're American, and the internet is in America, right?

  27. Korea makes me proud to be an American. by leereyno · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When I look at this website it reminds me of how much good the US has done around the world. If it wasn't for us there would not be a North Korea. There wouldn't be a South Korea either for that matter because the whole damned peninsula would be under the lead boot of a communist dictatorship. The DPRK should stand as a reminder of just how much evil there is in the world, and just how easily that evil can prevail.

    It is because of us that South Korea is free, and God willing one of these days we'll bring freedom to ALL of Korea.

    Lee

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    1. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, they have nuclear weapons now, u won't dare to attack them.

    2. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ooh, nice attempt at trolling.

      (well, I think it was trolling...)

      For every country the US has helped, they have also helped overthrow or cause chaos in another - to the point of assassinating democratically elected government leaders, and funding insurgent terrorist organisations (Al Qaeda, Taliban etc etc.).

      Lets face it - the US does not have the high ground on this issue; their international record is shady and suspect. For all their good words, they act outside of international laws quite often (just look at their disrespect for the UN).

      Ob StarWars: Mod me down and I will grow stronger than you can possibly imagine.

      (Well maybe I won't. But I would... In Japan.)

    3. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Rumagent · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You really don't have a clue do you?

    4. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are ever so lucky to live in the land of the free. By the way, have you ever been to Cuba? I guess not, your government won't let you.

    5. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You utter prick.

    6. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by grendelkhan · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It is because of us that South Korea is free, and God willing one of these days we'll bring freedom to ALL of Korea.
      And let me tell you something, the older Koreans remember and thank us for it. I spent six years of my time in the Air Force stationed in Korea, and while most people my age there were more curious than anything to talk to an American (most really wanted to practice their English!), I was extremely touched one day on the subway in Seoul.

      As I was standing there, an older man sitting next to me asked me if I was an Amerian serviceman. When I answered yes. he shook my hand and said "Thank you. Young people don't remember, but I do. Thank you for helping us. Thank you for coming here."

      One of the guys I worked with had a similar experience, the older Korean gentleman said to him "Your country was willing to send its young men to come here and die to protect us." I think the ROK is a shining example of American military power used for the right reasons.

      The difference between the Korean war and our current debacle? The South was attacked and overrun by the North. We came in to defend, not to do a pre-emptive attack on an entire country.
      --
      Wu-Tang Name: Half-Cut Skeleton Get your own Wu-Na
    7. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by mcwop · · Score: 1

      The UN is full of a bunch of kleptocrats. UNSCAM is but one example.

      --

      "I don't think it's selfish, to eat defenseless shellfish." -NOFX

    8. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The UN came to the aid of South Korea, not the USA on it's own, it's just that after the war that it became a USA only operation

    9. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by runlvl0 · · Score: 1

      just look at [the United States'] disrespect for the UN

      Mr. Bush: I'm disrespectful to the UN. Can you see that I am serious? Out of my way, all of you. This is no place for loafers! Join me or die! Can you do any less?

      For lucky best wash, use Mr. Sparkle.

      --

      Carthago delenda est!
    10. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by jdhutchins · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can go to Cuba all you want. You just can't spend money there due to economic sanctions, unless you get a permit to exclude yourself from the sanctions.

    11. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by k98sven · · Score: 1

      The difference between the Korean war and our current debacle?

      Another notable difference would be that the Korean war had full UN support. In fact there are still UN troops in the Korean DMZ, mostly Swiss and Swedish, IIRC.

      (note: Communist China was not represented in the UN until the 60's.)

    12. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by grendelkhan · · Score: 1

      Oh, we're still up there too. Most of the troops on the DMZ bleong to us. It's a trippy experience to go there and see how the building where the truce talks were conducted is set up and watch North Korean guards staring at you through the window.

      --
      Wu-Tang Name: Half-Cut Skeleton Get your own Wu-Na
    13. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by nordicfrost · · Score: 1

      Wow. The main negative thing I had to say about the UN before I read your post was their lack of will to kick the US' balls until they cooperated with the world. Now I have one more gripe. They have som many acronyms, I thought our witty southern state "UNSCAM" joke was an actual acronym. Now I understand that it is just a joke an a play on the UNSCOM, but being an European I don't have the mental capability to understand those witty people from Arkansas.

    14. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You can go to Cuba all you want. You just can't spend money there due to economic sanctions, unless you get a permit to exclude yourself from the sanctions.

      *I* can go to Cuba and spend as much money as I wish there. *You* have restrictions on what you spend there because your government places restrictions on your actions.

      Indeed, I have just returned from a very pleasant holiday there where I met many, many really friendly people and had many preconceptions well and truly demolished. A country with no homeless, excellent healthcare and a fraction of the wealth it would have if able to trade freely with its near neighbours.

      When are Americans going to realise that they are free to live as they wish, but should also accept that other nations have the same freedom - and sometimes other nations' wishes don't coincide with beliefs of the US?

    15. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Cheers mate. A few people know what you mean, many ex-Bloc countries know what you mean...atleast the ones that haven't been pussified. It was the US that broke up the USSR, helped re-unite Germany, helped free Poland. On and on.

      You'll get the LLL's and moonbats decrying the US for their 'actions' but yep...God willing one of these days...we'll bring freedom to ALL of Korea.

      Unless the barking moonbats say...no no no, that's a bad idea. Maybe they'd be happier with another 100 million dead from communists first?

      --
      Om, nomnomnom...
    16. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

      An excellent speech Mr. Castro!

      --
      1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d
    17. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and that support was possible only because SU delegates were at the time boycotting the security council and thus were physically unable to veto the resolution.
      They never made that mistake again (and now France took over former SU role in this regard)

    18. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " was their lack of will to kick the US' balls until they cooperated with the world."

      As an European you should realize that UN ability to do anything is based on US ability to do anything.

      No other nation (with possible exception of UK) has ability to project power beyond their borders and organization like UN is completely useless without a credible threat of force. IT was the case with UN intervention in North Korea , The Gulf War and the Serbian war.
      Without US niether of these problems would have been solved.

      What you are calling cooperation with the world in reality meat giving up to deamns of France and Germany and that is my friend something we won't do if it is against our national interest.

      " but being an European I don't have the mental capability to understand those witty people from Arkansas."

      Yeah, frankly given that Arkansas, one of the poorest states in US, offers standard of living similar to that of Sweden or Germany ,I think you might be right with this one.

    19. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, of course. Any talk of anything good about Cuba must be communist party propaganda; anything bad must be God's honest truth.

    20. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by twem2 · · Score: 1

      Yeah and South Korea wouldn't have been an oppressive military dictatorship for years.
      And Saddam Hussein wouldn't have had the gas he used on the Marsh Arabs and Iranians.
      And hundreds of thousands wouldn't have been killed and disappeared by US backed south american regimes (who usurped democratically elected governments).
      Oh and if it wasn't for us British and the US the Iranian revolution wouldn't have happened...

      Don't get me wrong, the USA has done a lot of good, but has also done a lot of harm, and still does.
      US foreign policy is not about the world, its about votes (look at the AIDS donations which are restricted to groups who promote abstinence rather than condoms to satisfy the Christian Right).

      I would like to thank the USA for (eventually) coming over to help Europe in WWII and for the Marshall Plan.

      (oh and on Cuba: Castro was welcomed by the US when he won the civil war. Then he started chucking out the US companies who supported Batista so the US imposed sanctions so he turned to the USSR (and probably got paranoid). Pity he never stuck to what he said- standing down when Cuba was secure, then again, Cuba isn't exactly secure. He should go though.)

    21. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by nordicfrost · · Score: 1
      I think you might be right with this one.

      Nope, sorry, I was wrong. We (Norway) just pulled off being the best country in the world on the HDI index. Four years in a row. It is small potatoes, I know. I only measures things like basic education, GDP per capita etc. But that neutral index doesn't compare at all to the opinion page of a rightist USA newspaper. So I'll just discard that thought.

    22. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by rhuntley12 · · Score: 1

      It was the UN only because USSR was boycotting the UN because of Israel I believe and couldn't veto it. The main source of power there was the US, and many smaller countries like the Philipines couldn't afford to buy their own artilery. The US sold it to them, and even charged them for what they used even when the US requested assistance. Was kind of an interesting war. Some good books and reading out there.

    23. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by fingusernames · · Score: 1

      Nations don't have wishes. People do. The people of Cuba who actively and loudly wish to have a government other than Fidel Castro generally wind up in prison or dead. Even the spineless European governments got a bit upset at Castro's oppressive actions recently.

      As an American, I do not accept that a "nation" can legitimately choose a form of government which prevents the people of that nation from, on a regular basis, expressing their "wishes" regarding their form of government and its leaders. Any form of government other than a democratic government with regularily scheduled elections is illegitimate. A "nation" that "chooses" some other other form and then denies the right of future generations (or people who just change their mind) to choose a different government is illegitimate, and should be ostracized, isolated, cut off from trade, and generally mocked. No nation should be permitted to claim that its oppression of our fellow man is an "internal issue." Every single discussion with it should center on nothing more than its treatment of its people and its political oppression. I wish we treated far more nations on this planet the way we treat Cuba.

      While our government has done and does many questionable/bad/evil things in our names, restricting commerce and political ties with Cuba is not one of those. When are you non-Americans going to realize that our money is OUR money, our aid is OUR aid, and we can choose how to spend it, with whom we will or will not trade and on what terms, whose hungry mouths we will feed, which nations we will help with AIDS medication, and whether *our* money will be spent by the U.N. or others in any way whatsoever that we dislike.

      As for the current federal administration doing all sorts of allegedly bad things... in November, we get to choose whether or not we agree, and may very likely kick him out. When, exactly, do the people of Cuba get to do that vis-a-vis Castro?

      Larry

    24. Re:Korea makes me proud to be an American. by leereyno · · Score: 1

      No, I have two of them. I can spare you one if you'd like.

      --
      Muslim community leaders warn of backlash from tomorrow morning's terrorist attack.
  28. Great by KidSock · · Score: 0

    Is it really smart to send thousands of exploit riddled IE lusers to a website ran by a government that is known to actively conduct computer espionage?

    1. Re:Great by flossie · · Score: 3, Funny
      Is it really smart to send thousands of exploit riddled IE lusers to a website ran by a government that is known to actively conduct computer espionage?

      Do you mean sites like this or this?

  29. Holy shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No microsoft? No IIS?
    Communist ideals? Linux loving?

    I am so moving there!

  30. DPRK EMAIL? by PKC+Jess · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey! Who took kimjongil@kcckp.net? What? AND kim_jong_il? :( Mind sharing the wealth? wait a minute... *later on* "Dear Dear Leader, So, Kim, how is every little thing? ~Jess"

  31. wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The American war of agression against the Japs is what caused the rise of communism among the natives in China and Korea in the first place.

  32. Bestsellers in the DPRK... by Ariane+6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Exerpted from the top-selling title:

    DISTORTION OF US PROVOCATION OF KOREAN WAR

    PREFACE

    Since June 25, 2000, the 50th year since their unleashing the Korean War, the United States has been bent on grossly distorting the history of the war and will continue to do so until 2003, with a sinister aim to shift the blame for their war, the blame for their aggression, onto the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK).


    Holy #&$@ing shit, what a bunch of nutballs!

    Oh - and what's going to happen in 2003? This yankee imperialist running dog of capitalism wants to know!

  33. And others.... by jrumney · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are others that have been around a while, this one seems to be set up by an expat group, but this one claims to be the official site of the DPRK government. Check the Welcome from Kim Jong-Il.

  34. Password by hool5400 · · Score: 1

    Bugmenot suggests bobdole/bobdole2

    The bugmenot extension for firfox friggin rocks.

    --

    Remember, it takes 42 muscles to frown and only 4 to pull the trigger of a sniper rifle.
  35. Looks like Molvania! by jabapi · · Score: 1

    Somehow North Korea's site reminds me of Molvania. :-)

  36. their server is LINUX-suse and apache 2.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.kcckp.net was running Apache on Linux when last queried at 14-Jul-2004 00:22:54 GMT - refresh now FAQ
    OS Server Last changed IP address Netblock Owner
    Linux Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE) 24-Jun-2004 194.29.229.125 I/P/B Internet Provider in Berlin
    Linux Apache/1.3.20 Sun Cobalt (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b PHP/4.1.2 mod_auth_pam_external/0.1 FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_perl/1.25

  37. Actualy, by RefriedBean · · Score: 1
    Actually this site seems to be "The Official" site. I remember visiting it at least 2 1/2 years ago. Korea-DPR.com

    The one in the post seems to be a bit more of a 'portal' though.

  38. A Korean Version by xyr0 · · Score: 1

    of the site can be found here http://www.kcckp.net/external_k/

    or you could just click the language options.

    there is also a test page here

  39. check out the registration pull-down menus by js7a · · Score: 4, Interesting
    On the registration page, check out these two pull-down menus:

    Password hint question:

    The name of your best friend is ...
    The scenary I love most is ...
    My favorite movie star is ...
    How would Korea change after reunification?
    What will you do when Korea is reunified?

    My favorite movie is ...

    Nationality / citizenship:

    1. Korean
    2. Chinese
    3. German
    4. Russian
    5. Australian
    6. Bahrain
    7. Bangladesh
    8. Chinese [duplicate]
    9. Indian
    10. Indonesian
    11.Iranian
    12. Iraqi
    13. Israeli
    14. Japanese
    15. Jordan
    16. Kuwaiti
    17. Lebanese
    18. New Zealand
    ...
    52. Canadian
    53. Mexican
    54. American ["American"?]
    55. Argentinian
    ...
    97. Netherlander
    98. Portuguese
    99. Spanish
    100. English

    Apparently our sensitive alphabetical sorting technology has been sucessfully prevented from reaching the DPRK.

    1. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Ariane+6 · · Score: 1

      How would Korea change after reunification?

      Yin-yang on the Yalu?

    2. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      the sorting isn t that strange.
      try the korean names. i bet it ll be nicely sorted.
      america -> miguk
      english -> yonguk

      the only one i find strange is germany (dogil).

    3. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was in South America, I always said 'I am from the US' in order to not be one of those arrogent, obnoxious US travelers. I quickly learned that they always refer to US citizens as 'American'.

    4. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently our sensitive alphabetical sorting technology has been sucessfully prevented from reaching the DPRK.

      Every US site I've ever registered for/ordered from has the US at the top of a drop-down list of countries; why shouldn't other countries do it too? Maybe the list is in alphabetical order in its original language, but a direct translation left it looking out-of-order in English.

      Those two questions about Korean reunification are a little scary given the NK Glorious Leader's views on human rights.

    5. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe because the US isn't the top-fucking-country to the rest of the world?

      Arrogant shithead; go drill for oil, American.

    6. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by powerlinekid · · Score: 1

      Dear Poor Insignificient foreigner,

      We have decided to withdraw aid from your disease infected country. We have also decided to collect on past dues such as bailing your ass out during WWI, WWII and anytime your regional warlords decided to act up. The check is in the mail. Have fun with the latest Cholera epidemic.

      love,
      America

      --

      can't sleep slashdot will eat me
    7. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Maybe because the US isn't the top-fucking-country to the rest of the world?


      That doesn't make sense. What country would you place on top? The United States of America is the greatest nation on Earth, at least in the last 100 years. I love The United States.

    8. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mother Russia.

    9. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by belloc · · Score: 1

      Apparently our sensitive alphabetical sorting technology has been sucessfully prevented from reaching the DPRK.


      So have our advanced sociological practices like Diversity and Integration. All of the pictures on the site are of Asians! Racists.

      --
      I got more rhymes than Jamaica got Mangoes.
    10. Re:check out the registration pull-down menus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I quickly learned that they always refer to US citizens as 'American'."

      Yes, same thing in Canada. I think it's a courtesy thing on the part of the peoples of the Americas so that Americans don't have to be called something awkward like 'United Statesians'. When the country was founded 'United States of America' probably sounded good and appropriate, but it would have been better if they'd chosen something simpler. Like 'Woot'. Then they'd simply be Wootians.

  40. uhm... by DraconPern · · Score: 4, Funny

    With this slashdotting, I wouldn't be surpried their next front page news is 'World attacks North Korea's computer infrastructure'..

    1. Re:uhm... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Nah man, that would be "Word attacks North Korea's super computer **"

      **North Korea has the worlds most powerfull super computer in the word. We are unmatched and out way of life is paradise.

      --
      Life is not for the lazy.
  41. blog by che.kai-jei · · Score: 1

    i have always far and away preferred his blog.http://www.livejournal.com/users/kim_jong_il_ _/

  42. My nationality by ward.deb · · Score: 2, Informative

    "97. Netherlander" Those bastards misspell my nationality. It's either Nederlands or Dutch...

    1. Re:My nationality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the Netherlands in English, so although most would say Dutch, Netherlander isn't exactly wrong.

      Just be glad we don't all refer to you as Clog-people.

    2. Re:My nationality by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Ollander would be more fun. Which makes me think they missed quite an opportunity. With some research, they could have insulted all the nationalities of the world in a single combobox.

      A combo with longwinded flowery descriptions would be nice too.

    3. Re:My nationality by ward.deb · · Score: 1

      Hehe, we invented the compact disc :P

  43. Why no TLD? by dyefade · · Score: 1

    If North Korea is an independent country (as I understand it is), why does it not have it's own top level domain...? .nk? .nkr?

    1. Re:Why no TLD? by elf-fire · · Score: 1

      Their ISO country code is 'kp' but IANA does not know about them yet. Of course creating your 'first' web-site is quite different from applying for and maintaining a ccTLD.

    2. Re:Why no TLD? by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      IANA | .kp - Korea, Democratic People's Republic
      Root-Zone Whois Information .kp - Korea, Democratic People's Republic

      Sponsoring Organization: Not assigned
      Administrative Contact: Not assigned
      Technical Contact: Not assigned
      URL for registration services: None listed.
      Whois server: None listed.

  44. No illicit drugs for sale? by Quirk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    from the CIA factbook: "...for years from the 1970's into the 1990's, citizens of the Democratic People's Republic of (North) Korea (DPRK), many of them diplomatic employees of the government, were apprehended abroad while trafficking in narcotics. In recent years, police investigations in Taiwan and Japan have linked North Korea to large illicit shipments of heroin and methamphetamine, with the attempt by the North Korean merchant ship Pong Su to deliver 125 kg of heroin to Australia in April 2003 the most recent example of Pyongyang's involvement in the drug trade. All indications point to North Korea emerging as an important regional source of illicit drugs targeting markets in Japan, Taiwan, the Russian Far East, and China."

    --
    "Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
    Cohen
    1. Re:No illicit drugs for sale? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should check out Farenheit 9/11 and see if the CIA is the one that should be pointing fingers on that matter.

    2. Re:No illicit drugs for sale? by nordicfrost · · Score: 1

      Yeah, well, the DPRK embassy in Oslo (Norway, Europe) was closed in the 70ies. Reason? The diplomats were kicked out for selling illegal booze from the embassy and other places. They denied the whole thing, of course. Their credidentials were retracted they were booted out. Probably for the death sentence in DPRK, they had after all embarrased their country.

    3. Re:No illicit drugs for sale? by dago · · Score: 1

      Hum, is it the same CIA that helped the funding the contras by using drug money in the '80 ?

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      #include "coucou.h"
  45. love the asian way of life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on the contact us page:

    You'll be answered within 24 hours.
    Kind service will be waiting for you.

    -----

    just gotta love em polite and kind asian fellas... even them commies know to behave better than george dubya stupidasshole warmongerer bush jr.

  46. First AC to reply by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Receives free CmdrTaco(TM) Earings.

  47. Re:Why no ccTLD? - its kp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    kp. is their ccTLD but allmigher superpower united states of assholes who seem to rule the whole world, and seem to be in charge of just everything on this planet deny them their countrycode tolplevel domain (ccTLD)

    the shame shit as goes with iraqs iq. and cubas cu.

    the US.of.A. is the doom of us all.

  48. Where are the Soviets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    being a communist country, do they have workers councils in NK, do the people rule? Or has it become an authoritarian state dictatorship?

  49. Boy General vols 6-10... by PoorLenore · · Score: 1

    ...must have really sucked. I wonder what happened to the director (or, at least, to his body)?

  50. What a proxy state by auric_dude · · Score: 0

    I hope visitors are using firefox and a proxy to keep themselves safe during their visit north of the 49th.

  51. Has anyone else registered? by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There's an English version of the registration page. According to that page,
    "When you gain "Naenara" user ID, your webmail address is automatically allocated. eg: your "Naenara" ID@kcckp.net."
    root, postmaster, and kimjongil were already taken. But as soon as I figure out how to use the webmail interface, I'm abuse@kcckp.net .. Leave it to Korea to ignore the abuse account :)
    --
    "BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
    1. Re:Has anyone else registered? by nkh · · Score: 4, Funny

      This webmail address is good for us: the NSA won't be able to read our e-mails anymore if it's located in North Korea!

    2. Re:Has anyone else registered? by DuctTape4Windows · · Score: 1, Interesting

      actually, i thought that the NSA was only allowed to monitor internet traffic coming in/going out of the country?

    3. Re:Has anyone else registered? by jhunsake · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh yeah, well I'm hostmaster@kcckp.net. Bow down before I change your dns entry!

    4. Re:Has anyone else registered? by portforward · · Score: 1

      Why is it I never have mod points when I read something funny? You just made my morning! Thanks. : )

    5. Re:Has anyone else registered? by howlatthemoon · · Score: 1

      I am not that interested in North Korean politics, but I like to travel, so I decided to take responsibility for tourism, so you can now reach me at tourism. Maybe we can help them out, with other key functions we can take control of. I may also try to control education and entertainment, or does someone else want these areas?

    6. Re:Has anyone else registered? by howlatthemoon · · Score: 1

      BTW to be respectful of Kim Jong, I chose my birthday to match his, Feb 16, 1942 - it was the best I could find with google.

    7. Re:Has anyone else registered? by DAldredge · · Score: 1

      They can't collect data in the USA, they do have data sharing agreements with other countries so, if they need to, they just 'review' the other countries take.

    8. Re:Has anyone else registered? by fore1337 · · Score: 1

      I picked up "nuke_sales@kcckp.net" I haven't been able to read any email though.

    9. Re:Has anyone else registered? by aled · · Score: 1

      You better learn to difference between believing and knowing ;-)

      --

      "I think this line is mostly filler"
    10. Re:Has anyone else registered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dearleader also taken. I had to settle for belovedleader :-(.

    11. Re:Has anyone else registered? by Mutantfrog · · Score: 1

      I actually found this and wrote a blog entry about it before I saw the article on slashdot. I discussed creating an account, and then trying and failing to actually USE the email service, and point out some odd things in the registration, like the bizarre password hint questions, all concerned with either Kim Jong Il's movie obsession or reunification of the country, and the fact that Taiwan is listed as a choice of nationality on the official web site of a government that has China as perhaps its only ally!

    12. Re:Has anyone else registered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Oh yeah, well I'm hostmaster@kcckp.net.

      More like you're cockmaster@kcckp.net.

    13. Re:Has anyone else registered? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's original.

  52. And also... by reactivo · · Score: 1

    This is the first official site officially slashdotted.

  53. Korean bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    let's see just how much bandwidth the north koreans have.
    Well, I just noticed this is hosted right next to my door. And that's in the centre of Berlin, Germany.
    1. Re:Korean bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you need to specify Berlin is in Germany?

    2. Re:Korean bandwidth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the Associated Press style guide, Berlin is one of the cities not requiring the country to be specified.

    3. Re:Korean bandwidth by platypussrex · · Score: 1

      Well, there is more than one Berlin in the world. Perhaps it was specified to be precise?

    4. Re:Korean bandwidth by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      Well, I suppose it could have been Berlin, Pennsylvania

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    5. Re:Korean bandwidth by pyrrhonist · · Score: 1
      Why do you need to specify Berlin is in Germany?

      It's not the only city named Berlin. In the U.S. there is a Berlin, MA and a Berlin, PA. These are are pronounced differently, though.

      --
      Show me on the doll where his noodly appendage touched you.
  54. Japan != North Korea by boffy_b · · Score: 1
    A quick Google search reveals other:

    * DPKR Official Home page
    * DPKR News Agency
    .co.jp generally implies a Japanese site, and those are both the same link...maybe this is a story referrs to the first site hosted in N. Korea.
    --
    Windows is only $500 if your time is worthless.
  55. welcome to the /. effect... by w4rl5ck · · Score: 1

    it's damn slow at least. *g*

  56. Not the First Official Site by thelizman · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kim Jong Il has a weblog.

  57. 21 Century Gulags by ej0c · · Score: 4, Informative

    For a nice little tour of N. Korea, you might visit the report at hrnk.org

    A national policy of starvation, overwork, and torture. Newborns murdered on grounds of suspected genetic diversity. Imprisonment of three generation of an offender's family. A lifetime political prisoner population of 200,000 - more than all the US military in Iraq; more than all the people in a small industrial city.

    Claudia Rosette wrote a column when the report was released.

  58. Why is Slashdot Wasting Its Time with this Spoof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    If anyone had bothered to scratch the surface of this site a little, you would soon realise that this is a dummy spoof site set up and run by a German businessman who uses it as a "sweetener" to get computing business in North Korea (which is illegal under UN sanctions, I believe).

    He claims he is going to wire up North Korea via satellite - bul*shit!

    If you really want to provide your personal details to an unscrupulous German, then feel free - you must really like spam.

    It really does not deserve any further attention, other than to say "nice marketing ploy fella".

    Anyone for an "official" Ossama Bin Laden blog?

    Damian, UK

  59. Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The site mentions the recent "historic reunification" of the two Koreas ... did this actually happen, or is it just their modified version of history?

    If it did really happen and I missed it, I need to get out more ... :-)

    1. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by Melantha_Bacchae · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not completely, but they are actually working toward that goal.

      For instance, you will see one Korean team at the Olympics this summer under the banner of a united Korea.

      Despite the US being against it, a unified Korea is for the best. It would solve most of the problems currently posed by North Korea, including the nuclear one.

      Of course, then the US will have no need for troops in Japan or South Korea...

      "The path of peace is yours to discover for eternity."
      Japanese version of "Mothra" (1961)

    2. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 2, Insightful
      The current administration keeps talking like it wants to pull troops out of Korea, anyway. The troops there don't serve an actual military purpose--they only number 20,000 or so--their only purpose is to send a message that America will defend South Korea in any renewed conflict.

      I'm not saying that America's actions toward either Korea have always been snow white innocent (support for South Korean dictators in the name of stability comes to mind), or that America's policies towards North Korea make complete sense, but to suggest that America wants the conflict to continue so that we might maintain troops there--that's silly. The American troops stationed in Korea are sitting ducks. Sacrificial lambs. A human tripwire. An intentional Pearl Harbor/Alamo-style vulnerability. Okinawa's a different story--if Korea united tomorrow, I doubt America would feel a need to pull out of Japan.

    3. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by The+OPTiCIAN · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can't see the South Koreans loving the prospect of seeing their economy crumple to dust when they have to start providing for twenty two million new citizens with no first-world-economy skills.

      > It would solve most of the problems currently
      > posed by North Korea, including the nuclear one.

      There are plenty of problems with the notion of a unification of the two Koreas. This is why the South and the US are prepared to throw money at them to keep doing what they're doing and let the South continue on in stability, so longer as the north don't threaten that region's stability with a nuclear threat.

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    4. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by clambake · · Score: 1

      I can't see the South Koreans loving the prospect of seeing their economy crumple to dust when they have to start providing for twenty two million new citizens with no first-world-economy skills.

      That's one possibility... the other is 22 million people who just love the dickens out of being exploited. Free slave labor, free prostitution rings, however they can be exploited, it will happen... and the whole time everyone participating thinks they are living the good life.

    5. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by operagost · · Score: 1

      A unified Korea is not for the best unless it is a free and democratic Korea. We all know that isn't going to happen. North Korea's despotic regime will settle for no less than total domination. I have not seen any signs to the contrary. This site is further evidence, with the references to the "Democratic People's Republic" including the land occupied by South Korea, and their references to bogus "political parties" which are all either powerless or simply tools of the Worker's Party.

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    6. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by BrainInAJar · · Score: 1

      "and the whole time everyone participating thinks they are living the good life."

      Like capitalism?

    7. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Despite the US being against it, a unified Korea is for the best. It would solve most of the problems currently posed by North Korea, including the nuclear one.

      The problem is that the government controlling North Korea will not go gently into that good night. People who think this will work easily are kidding themselves. Peaceful re-unification of China (difficult though it may be) is a much more tractable problem!

    8. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? by daviddennis · · Score: 1

      Better for everyone to think they're living the good life, than for everyone to KNOW they're living the bad one.

      Better to be exploited and get something out of it, than to be exploited and reduced to eating roots and berries.

      D

  60. Way to slow... by KI4BBO.org · · Score: 1

    This site has been slashdotted :P it took me almost two minutes to load it! Nice site though.. :)

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  61. Slashdot Propaganda coup by tigersha · · Score: 1

    /.ed already.

    Now the DPRK Goverment are going to claim in their propaganda broadcasts that their website was immediately swamped by the oppressed workers of the world!

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    1. Re:Slashdot Propaganda coup by norkakn · · Score: 1

      considering how engineers are treated here (USA) and how few unions we have, they would be right

  62. Yah right by beforewisdom · · Score: 1

    I am really going to register and give the North Koreans my contact information!

  63. Why by isorox · · Score: 1

    Why North Korea rules: Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE), Where as america is Microsoft-IIS/6.0

    1. Re:Why by numark · · Score: 1

      Actually, America runs Apache/2.0.48 (Solaris). Your America link goes to a parody site of the White House.

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  64. I'm moving there by LNX+Flocki · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's it, I'm moving to North Korea. Look what their constitution says:

    Article 71

    Citizens have the right to relaxation. This right is ensured by the establishment of the working hours, the provision of holidays, paid leave, accommodation at health resorts and holiday homes at State expense and by a growing network of cultural facilities.


    1. Re:I'm moving there by mcwop · · Score: 1

      A network of cultural facilities for "reprogramming".

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    2. Re:I'm moving there by dochood · · Score: 1

      Go ahead and move there. I hear they have some really nice CAMPS there, for your RELAXATION pleasure!

    3. Re:I'm moving there by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      Reminder: if you slashdot a country with humans, it's called massive immigration

    4. Re:I'm moving there by smchris · · Score: 1


      Probably like bible camp. You're right. Horrible.

    5. Re:I'm moving there by mcwop · · Score: 1

      Bible camp is not run by the government.

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    6. Re:I'm moving there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      name one

    7. Re:I'm moving there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to a socialist form of government. Unlike a capitalist nation, socialists only need to work a few set days to provide everything that is needed by the citizens of its country. It is argued that if the United States was a socialist state, we would only need to work 3 days a week to provide everyone in the US with health care, food, and everything. Unfortunately, due to the Cold War, socialism has gotten a bad rap and is now often confused with facism and is often used synonymously.

    8. Re:I'm moving there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translation:

      Article 71

      Citizens have the right to relaxation. This right is ensured by the establishment of the working hours
      (20 hours/day), the provision of holidays (1 day/year), paid leave (i.e. you pay then you leave), accommodation at health resorts (excercise by breaking stones) and holiday homes (jail) at State expense and by a growing network of cultural facilities (Centres for Brainwashing).

    9. Re:I'm moving there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bible camp is not run by the government.

      True, but I doubt that being run by the government would make it any less horrible.

    10. Re:I'm moving there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Bible camp is not run by the government."

      In Soviet USA, the Bible runs the government??? At least in the USA at the moment, teh Christian fundies have a pretty heavy influence over proceedings.

    11. Re:I'm moving there by dochood · · Score: 1

      I think it's Yongbyon, where they have 200,000 political prisoners, including family members who did nothing at all.

  65. Don't slashdot rogue nation-states! :) by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't slashdot North Korea! They've probably never been slashdotted, don't know what to expect. What if they think it's cyberterrorism and launch some of their missles?!? I hear some of those suckers are nuclear (or might be before long)! You guys want to start World War III or something?

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    1. Re:Don't slashdot rogue nation-states! :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bush already started WWIII!

    2. Re:Don't slashdot rogue nation-states! :) by Jonny+Cat · · Score: 1

      Its pronounced nucular, nu-cu-lar.

    3. Re:Don't slashdot rogue nation-states! :) by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Prolly not a far fetched fear. Knowing Mr Insane Kim Ill, he might just think that.

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  66. dogil = Deutsch? by ThreeDayMonk · · Score: 1

    The same Chinese characters are pronounced "doitsu" in Japanese (close to "Deutsch"). I'm sure there's a connection, although whether it comes from the Japanese or directly from Chinese, I don't know.

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    1. Re:dogil = Deutsch? by jrockway · · Score: 1

      I don't see the characters anywhere, but the word I think of first (meaning "at the same time") is douitsu. A subtle difference, but maybe useful to know :) BTW if you want to write "Germany" in kanji, the word is dokkoku IIRC.

      Bye.

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    2. Re:dogil = Deutsch? by jrockway · · Score: 1

      Forgot to turn my brain on before hitting submit... douitsu means "similar"... douji is "at the same time". More japanese than you wanted to learn today, I'll bet.

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    3. Re:dogil = Deutsch? by ThreeDayMonk · · Score: 1

      Of course the characters aren't there. The DPRK abolished the use of hanja (=kanji).

      However, my (South!) Korean dictionary has the hanja next to the entry for dogil. These hanja can be read in Japanese as doitsu (although only by older people as simplified kanji are now used, and few younger people know the old forms).

      Oh, and you're wrong, by the way. First, it is doitsu, not douitsu.

      Second, doitsu can indeed be writted in kanji in Japanese.

      Finally, although both doitsu and dokukoku (dokkoku in common pronunciation) can be used in kanji in Japanese, the former is much more common (check using Google: 16,000 doitsu vs 4,800 dokkoku, searching on the kanji plus site:.jp).

      I know this is ./, but I do know what I'm talking about!

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  67. what's going to happen in 2003? by hummassa · · Score: 1

    the book was published?

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  68. Virus alert! by div_B · · Score: 1

    The slashdot effect has mutated into the rare and virulent "... using only one user account ... " strain.

  69. Ohh Shit! by Nick+Fury · · Score: 1, Funny

    You slashdoted the N. Korea site. Do you have any idea how bad that could be? Jebus Cricket people, you can't just go around launching weapons of mass destruction at websites you don't like... Gah....

  70. OOPS, correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I meant that "communism, at least, is based on noble principles", of course.

  71. Constitiution Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Nice little political stunt... Today is Constitution Day for South Korea.

  72. Re:Also this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really like this part :
    Generalissmo Kim Il Sung was the
    greatest revolutionary and stateman.Indeed he emerged
    as the elder statesman figure of the international
    communist and revolutionary movement in the late 80s
    and early 1990s when some miserable trairors had
    flung down the red battle standard of the glorious
    communist movement.Comrade Kim Il Sung ensured that
    Peoples Korea marched along the road of independence
    and socialism and rallied the world revolutionary
    forces with the famous PYONGYANG DECLARATION.
    http://www.korea-dpr.com/dermot.txt

    Imagine the results if Fox News was this honest and unbiased with W Bush !

  73. Give it 1 week by u-238 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Word will spread and some patriotic script kiddie with a huge bot net will flex his capitalistic pride and this website will be at the brunt of it.

    Mark my words.

  74. Are you sure it's really from Korea? by Kane+Skalter · · Score: 1

    Someone else mentioned that the site is run by Germans. Here's the <a href ="http://www.swhois.com/cgi-bin/swhois.cgi?templa<nobr>t<wbr></wbr></nobr> e=default&lang=en&login=no&MARKET_AREA=&whois=kcc<nobr>k<wbr></wbr></nobr> p.net"> whois info</a>.

    1. Re:Are you sure it's really from Korea? by Kane+Skalter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now with clickable goodness! Here's the whois info. Damn, I should learn to preview.

  75. Constitution by Kenny.EXE+-P666- · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one who finds it strange that the pages with the N. Korean constutition repeatedly praise a single individual? As screwed up as the United States is right now, (I liked the days with a Democratic president and a Republican Congress, government was so busy bitching at each other they left me and the American people alone. :) At least my constution begins with "We the People...." not "The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is the socialist motherland of Juche which has applied the idea and leadership of the great leader Comrade Kim Il Sung." This makes me happy I am in a first world industrialized nation.

  76. Re:Why no ccTLD? - its kp. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cu works, try http://www.granma.cu/

    dig iq suggests something may be there or coming

    dig kp is not optimistic, it just returns A.ROOT-SERVERS.NET.

    (now if I could just get /. to issue me a password .... )

  77. North Korea is what you get by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...when you have a leader with a Napoleon complex with neither the intelligence nor the ability of the original article. I have the feeling Kim Il Sung would have been crushed by barbarians in 3000 BC playing Civilization, bankrupt and by 1920 in Sim City, and gobbled up by sentient fungus as soon as he landed in Alpha Centauri.

  78. HOPEless, non-hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess it was |just| punks that screwed us all... ..and wanna be macho'z...grrr...

    What happened to SETING BOTH TO password, password
    and additionally: cypherpunk, cypherpunk?
    (...with much rejoicing!)

    Is IT asshole, asshole now? ...or PuNk, pUnK ???

    HOPE you over-eagre kids get a clue, or something, _anything_ from reading this... now that you've Pee-ed in the well, shat in your bed, and wrecked your parents internet accounts...
    *Sigh*

    1. Re:HOPEless, non-hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they have seen the light of Juche and have decided to add a constructive element of such in the man becoming master of everything with kim jong il in their bunghole... LOL did you guys actually read the freaking site? These people already spooked me but now I gotta say they really got me going here ... just look at the president, it IS dr evil!! and he holds the world ransmom for one million $....

  79. Interesting password hints by Desprez · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The password hint questions were an interesting change from the normal: mother's maiden name, pet's name, etc that we are so used to seeing from western/european registrations

    Here are the DPRK's registration password hint questions:
    The name of your best friend is...
    The scenery I love most is...
    My favorite movie star is...
    How would Korea change after reunification?
    What will you do when Korea is reunified?

    My favorite movie...

    (Emphasis mine)

    I'll say, they just can't resist packing in the propaganda and agenda into every square inch.

  80. N Korean website is in Germany by hottoh · · Score: 1

    The story describes the N Korean official website. Makes a person think the site is in N Korea. Alas, not the case.

    Tracing route to www.kcckp.net [194.29.229.125]
    over a maximum of 30 hops: ....
    22 150 ms 151 ms 150 ms ipb-gw.de.gatel.net [212.20.156.251]
    23 151 ms 140 ms 150 ms kcc.cust-gw.ipberlin.com [194.29.225.46]
    24 150 ms 150 ms 151 ms 194.29.229.125

    DE is Germany as is where Berlin is located.

  81. Hack it by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

    I see this page and the first thing that comes to mine "so who wants to hack it first?"

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    1. Re:Hack it by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      I just got around to an nmap today and that server has ports 8000 and 17300 open. I'm not sure but I've got a feeling those aren't both legitimate openings.

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  82. Password by estoves · · Score: 1

    When you register try to use password as diekim or fuckkim, those are not accepted. After thet i tried ilovekim and it worked.

  83. Diplomatic Relations by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

    The questions is will Pyongyang declae the Slashdot effect to be an attack on North Korea by the web?

    What the hell is a shopping mall link doing on a communist website. Has the world gone topsy turvy?

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  84. Chinese duplicate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It probably said Taiwanese until it got "corrected" :)

  85. Uh by jb.hl.com · · Score: 1
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  86. Next day in North Korean newspapers.. by varjag · · Score: 2, Funny

    As the new superior North Korean site was opened, hundreds of thousands of oppressed proletariat people of capitalistic world rushed for the only truthful information source available to them. Witness what those who immersed into refreshing spring of Juche ideas write:

    "They took my job to South Korea. Screw them!"
    --Peter Geek, 31

    "They don't even show Boy General here!"
    --Johny Underage, 13

    "Beautiful haircuts of North Korean women! I feel young again!"
    -- Al. D. Fart, 73 (ed. note: we believe this is a typo - people don't live that long)

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  87. Cool! by Eosha · · Score: 1

    This may be the first time we've ever slashdotted a country!

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  88. login? no, disable javascript by admiralfrijole · · Score: 1

    it takes you to a page, then forwards you to the login so just turn off javascript, and it doesn't forward you, no login required.

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  89. Hearsay? by sczimme · · Score: 5, Funny


    I propose a new word: heresay. It would be a portmanteau of 'heresy' and 'hearsay'.

    'Heresay' would be the practice of spreading false claims and attacking the local religious establishment based on secondhand information.

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  90. I got my account! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    k1m_j0ng_1l - that's me!

  91. FYI: Worldwide Press Freedom Index... by plj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...can be found here. Note: published at October 2002!

    Some countries of interest:

    1. Finland
    ...
    15. Switzerland & Costa Rica
    17. United States
    18. Hong Kong
    ...
    35. Taiwan
    ...
    38. Bulgaria
    39. South Korea
    40. Italy (the worst country of EU-15; hurrah, Berlusconi!)
    41. Czech Republic (back then not yet an EU member state)
    ...
    92. Israel (no Arab country performed in top 50, either)
    ...
    104. Afghanistan (year after collapse of the Taliban regime)
    ...
    130. Iraq (still Saddam's regime)
    ...
    138. People's Republic of China
    139. North Korea (the last one)

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    1. Re:FYI: Worldwide Press Freedom Index... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here's 2003's.

      1: Finland, Iceland, Netherlands, Norway (tie)
      ...
      11: Latvia
      12: Estonia,Slovakia,Switzerland, Czech Republic (tie)
      16: Austria
      ...
      30: Timor Leste
      31: Greece, United States of America (tie)
      33: Poland
      ...
      42: Ecuador, Spain (tie)
      44: Japan, Israel (tie)
      46: Madagascar
      ...
      48: Ghana
      49: South Korea
      50: Australia
      51: Bolivia, Macedonia (tie)
      53: Panama, Italy (still worst EU country) (tie)
      55: Peru
      ...
      59: Fiji, Romania (tie)
      61: Republic of China (Taiwan)
      62: Botswana
      ...
      122: Jordan, United Arab Emirates (tie)
      124: Ethiopia, Swaziland, Iraq (under Saddam Hussein) (tie)
      127: Democratic Republic of Congo
      128: India, Pakistan (tie)
      130: Palestinian Authority (under Yasser Arafat)
      131: Morocco
      132: Liberia, Ukraine (tie)
      134: Afghanistan
      135: Iraq (under George W. Bush)
      136: Yemen
      ...
      145: Maldives
      146: Palestinian Authority (under Ariel Sharon)
      147: Colombia
      ...
      160: Iran
      161: People's Republic of China
      162: Eritrea
      ...
      165: Cuba
      166: North Korea (dead last again)

      Last year, the report combined Israel's actions in all its territories; this year, they separated pre-1967 Israel from the West Bank + Gaza Strip, and did the same for the US in Iraq. It's interesting to see how relatively free democracies can act in war zones compared to their own people's cities. Also, I'm surprised to see India and Pakistan in the same spot. I thought India had a freer press than Pakistan. In 2002, they were 80th to Pakistan's 119th.

    2. Re:FYI: Worldwide Press Freedom Index... by Selleri · · Score: 1

      1 Finland 0,50
      - Iceland 0,50
      - Norway 0,50
      - Netherlands 0,50

      Just to keep it fair ;)

  92. Did anyone read the booklets in there? by dhanes · · Score: 1
    WTF does this mean? This was in the 'Publications' section.

    Butterfly and Cock

    Once upon a time, there lived a bad-tempered cock in a village . He swaggered, saying that he was the strongest in the world.

    Very often he pecked out and scratched the grain the villagers had grown by the sweat of their brow.

    Probably for this reason, the frogs and grasshoppers thought he really had a matchless strength. They were so afraid of him that as soon as they saw him, they would make way for him or hide themselves.

    Once a butterfly visited a flower garden. The cock came and jumbled up the beautiful flowers. The butterfly got angry.

    "Why are you here and behaving like that?" shouted the butterfly and was ready to fight the cock. "Butterfly, you can't be a match of the strong cock. You'd better drop the idea of fighting." Saying this, his friends detained him. "We can't live in peace even a day if he's left alone," said the butterfly and flew off in spite of their advice. The cock stared at the butterfly for a good while. Drawing in a full breath he grumbled, "What an overbearing little thing! It seems he doesn't know that my claws are like..."

    All of a sudden, a whirlwind rose with a snap. Up flew the butterfly like a feather, and the cock's golden stick was broken.

    And the mad cock, with his big wings spread, flew into the sky to chase the butterfly, muttering: "Flutter you may, but no faster than the fly." With all his might, the butterfly flew to an ash tree and slipped through the branches. The cock was sure to catch the butterfly fluttering before his eyes, and flew on desperately. But he ran into the tree and was caught in the branches. The cock barely managed to get himself out after a hard struggle. By the time he was making to breathe, the butterfly had already alighted on his beak and tail several times.

    "Jump you will, but no better than the flea." With these words the cock made another jump upon the butterfly. "Ouch!" The cock fell onto the ground with a painful cry. It was not before the dust had settled down that he managed to rise to his feet. Sitting on his crest, the butterfly laughed heartily. The cock lay on the ground, panting and goggling his eyes. Then, in an engaging voice, he said: "Oh, it's you, my cute butterfly. I have been taking all this trouble to look for you, because I'm so eager to hear you sing. Do come here and sing a song." "Why should I only sing a song for you, uncle cock?" said the butterfly and began to dance. "It's nice to see you dance, but I can't have a good look; you're a bit too far away." said the cock, crawling nearer and nearer to him.

    He pounced upon the fluttering butterfly, but he was already flying downhill. Missing the butterfly, the cock was so mad that he scratched his chest. He fell upon the butterfly, only to throw himself into a pond with a splash.

    The dandy cock looked so miserable, indeed. His dark red saw-like crest drooped and his bright coloured feathers were soaking wet.

    The cock gasped in the water before he jumped up, grating his hooked bill fiercely.

    The butterfly flew past a thornbush and a rock to the top of a high precipice. The chaser gathered his last strength and shot up into the blue sky after the butterfly.

    However, the drenched cock fell headlong into the bottom of the precipice.

    Thus the village was now free from the outrageous acts of the cock, and beautiful flowers came to bloom in the garden of butterflies.

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    1. Re:Did anyone read the booklets in there? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 1
      Thus the village was now free from the outrageous acts of the cock, and beautiful flowers came to bloom in the garden of butterflies.


      I think what this booklet is trying to say is that the cock (North Korea/Kim Jong Il?) eventually loses in the end despite all it's attempts to puff out it's chest and appear superior in an attempt to destroy the butterfly (the western free world/America). In the end, freedom will prevail over the drowning sorrow of the dead cock, Kim Jong Il. Once the cock is defeated, the free world will rejoice in a garden of beautiful flowers (freedom). I'm amazed they allowed this booklet to be published on their official site!

    2. Re:Did anyone read the booklets in there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, but the cock is clearly the US.

    3. Re:Did anyone read the booklets in there? by dhanes · · Score: 1
      yea, I can see your interpretation and like it, but who the hell would the frogs and grasshoppers be?

      party officials?

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      Wait, What?
  93. Whoops... by plj · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...sorry for being unjust; Finland actually shares the top position with Iceland, Norway and Netherlands. Immediately after this top four comes Canada.

    Btw, the Palestinian National Authority performed 82, above Israel itself. Forgot that, too.

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  94. Glad I'm not their sysop... by Phil+John · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...imagine what would happen if there was any downtime...I shudder to think.

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  95. /.ed by dirvish · · Score: 2, Funny

    This has to be a first. Slashdotted a country!

  96. Cool! by HarveyBirdman · · Score: 1
    They have a Flash page where you can retarget their nukes.

    Hey, Redmond. I'm pointing a nuke at you! :-) Does this bug you? Does this bug you?

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  97. And the fabulous books! by nativespeaker · · Score: 1

    Don't forget to check out the e-books section, for those NYT bestsellers: 'Distortion of US provocation of Korean War', 'Korea-US War Without Gunshot', And that fabled childrens' classic, 'Butterfly and Cock'.

  98. Sheesh by Vadim+Makarov · · Score: 1

    There is something scary in slashdotting a nuclear-armed website owner.

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    1. Re:Sheesh by necromonger · · Score: 1

      And especially if you register with an ID called 'fatkimjong' (and the password also as fatkimjong)

      do you think they'll nuke me for using such an ID? no reference to their leader of course :P

  99. That music is evil by Snaller · · Score: 1

    Dear webmaster - YOU FORGOT THE OFF SWITCH!



    (dum di dum di dum di dum)

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  100. Wow. by Raven42rac · · Score: 1

    Their people eat grass, but they have a website, wow. Way to have your priorities straight.

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  101. North-Korea's secret export-hit: cartoons by rainer_d · · Score: 2, Interesting
    This article (unfortunately in German) explains the details behind a strange and secret business North-Korea has been running for some time:
    It's producing animated cartoons of more or less famous characters. The work has been outsourced from Western companies, because NorthKoreans work cheaper than anybody else on this planet and produce good quality (which you probably can't always say for Chinese correction-facility-inmates, which are reportedly even cheaper).

    Next time you watch some Sunday-morning-cartoon, think a moment of those poor people in NK.

    Rainer

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  102. May be, New York Times will STOP requiring logins? by mi · · Score: 1

    I mean, this is, what they look like...

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  103. Amazing! by blackmonday · · Score: 1

    login 'slashdot', password 'password' ...

    Amazing! Thats the same password I have on my luggage!

  104. At least they use PHP by digitalgimpus · · Score: 1

    So they may not be good at making nuclear weapons in secret, or diplomatic relations.

    But they know their server side technology.

  105. Setting Up Email? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you setup this email account in Eudora/Mail?

  106. Netcraft info... karma whore attempt ;) by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

    Linux Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE)

    Linux Apache/1.3.20 Sun Cobalt (Unix) mod_ssl/2.8.4 OpenSSL/0.9.6b PHP/4.1.2 mod_auth_pam_external/0.1 FrontPage/4.0.4.3 mod_perl/1.25

    Least theyre friendly with Open Source... Not friendly with most any other thing.

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    1. Re:Netcraft info... karma whore attempt ;) by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

      But you forgot to post the part where it shows that their site is hosted in Germany.

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  107. Hmmm.... by retro128 · · Score: 1

    I thought North Korea was more nationalistic than to host their site in Germany. I call shenanigans.

    5 24 ms 21 ms 17 ms bur-core-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.13.29]
    6 18 ms 48 ms 48 ms bur-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net [205.171.13.10]
    7 25 ms 20 ms 29 ms sl-bb22-ana-6-2.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.237]
    8 50 ms 52 ms 61 ms sl-bb22-fw-10-1.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.250]
    9 79 ms 83 ms 85 ms sl-bb22-chi-11-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.18.121]

    10 88 ms 100 ms 89 ms sl-bb24-chi-8-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.26.109]

    11 215 ms 195 ms 135 ms sl-bb25-nyc-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.9.157]
    12 90 ms 139 ms 100 ms sl-bb21-nyc-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.13.2]
    13 110 ms 100 ms 104 ms sl-bb23-nyc-3-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.7.109]
    14 169 ms 160 ms 201 ms sl-bb20-par-11-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.44]

    15 233 ms 213 ms 291 ms sl-bb21-fra-13-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.129.66]

    16 170 ms 171 ms 193 ms sl-gw20-fra-1-1.sprintlink.net [217.147.96.227]

    17 210 ms 191 ms 201 ms sle-globacc-1-0.sprintlink.net [217.147.111.62]

    18 182 ms 199 ms 183 ms pos2-0.ef1.de.gatel.net [212.20.151.41]
    19 220 ms 205 ms 190 ms pos2-0.b1.de.gatel.net [212.20.151.69]
    20 307 ms 213 ms 225 ms ipb-gw.de.gatel.net [212.20.156.251]
    21 208 ms 196 ms 214 ms kcc.cust-gw.ipberlin.com [194.29.225.46]
    22 207 ms 191 ms 195 ms 194.29.229.125

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  108. First Official Site of DPRK? by Mac+OS+XI · · Score: 1

    Wrong! KCNA: http://www.kcna.co.jp State: http://www.korea-dpr.com

  109. Daily Show on North Korea by feidaykin · · Score: 1
    A while back on the Daily Show, it was mentioned that North Korea says their military is only for defense, and they showed this image which Jon Stewart said was "obviously a member of their military defending himself from our exploding capitol building."

    Gotta love The Daily Show! Funny stuff.

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  110. slashdot user name no more... by BrentRJones · · Score: 1

    apparently password changed, or something

    , .

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  111. Why new website? by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 1
    What was wrong with the old website? I, for one, really liked it. It always reminded me the websites one kid from my family was doing back in 1993 about her cat. OK, the kid wasn't very talented, even for a 4-year-old, but the cat was kind of funny. What was wrong with that? I don't like the new bloody website! I don't like it at all! Wait a second, someone is knocking to my door... What the he--

    I want say I like new site very very much. It was mistake of me to say I not. Thank you very much. All hail to The Great Leader KIM IL SUNG! All hail to The Great Leader KIM JONG IL!

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  112. North Korea web site leaves out important facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Like the fact that North Korea runs a huge gulag of concentration camps that make Nazi Germany look almost friendly in comparison..

    For more info see freenorthkorea.net and some of the other web sites listed there..

  113. Get a load of their Constitution! by 955301 · · Score: 1

    Wow, it's worse than a Microsoft Marketing campaign.

    Chapter 1. Politics. Article 2

    The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a revolutionary State which has inherited the brilliant traditions formed during the glorious revolutionary struggle against the imperialist aggressors, in the struggle to achieve the liberation of the homeland and the freedom and well-being of the people.

    What in the hell does article 2 actually accomplish? Sounds like an editorial. I guess I've been taking the US constitution for granted. I had no idea.

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    1. Re:Get a load of their Constitution! by Bull999999 · · Score: 1

      To show the world that by starving their people, North Korea is achieving the well-being of the people by avoiding obesity.

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  114. My new cool email motherfucker!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm now motherfucker@kcckp.net! Say hell when you're in the neighborhood!

  115. One of MICHAELS favorite sites! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All hail North Korea! Welcome to the internet from your pals at SLASHDOT. We know that some people say you are not nice, but heck, Americans are EVIL. So welcome, welcome, welcome!

  116. Korean is a reverse-polish notation language by kiwi.es · · Score: 1

    An almost-related observation linked by geek factor: http://www.learnkorean.com/lesson/lesson1.asp "Who loves Jenny? Bob does. Who is loved by Bob? Jenny is. In Korean this sentence will be in the the word order: Bob Jenny loves." Coool! : )

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  117. Age Discrimination by TrentTheThief · · Score: 1

    I found it funny that they won't allow any birth years prior to 1940.

    I guess they don't want any visitors who remember Chosin through first=hand knowledge.

    The slashdot username no longer works.

    Try this one:

    U: peckerheadviewer
    P: peckerheadviewer

    Now, go view them peckerwoods ;-)

    Make Chesty proud!

  118. Welcome North Korea! by ArcticCelt · · Score: 1

    I for once welcome North Korea in the 90's. Next step the "dot kp" bubble

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  119. Re:Free Gmail invitation here by Petrol · · Score: 2, Informative

    Above link is a Goatse redirect.

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  120. Ironically Funny by tarawa · · Score: 1

    When clicking on the "KOREA IS ONE - Homogeneous Nation" on the left-hand menu, you get:

    Object not found!
    The requested URL was not found on this server. The link on the referring page seems to be wrong or outdated. Please inform the author of that page about the error.
    If you think this is a server error, please contact the webmaster.
    Error 404
    www.kcckp.net
    Sun Jul 18 02:13:40 2004
    Apache/2.0.48 (Linux/SuSE)


    How ironic :p

  121. North Korea has electricity? by penginkun · · Score: 1

    In that picture of the world at night, NK is almost pitch black while all around it are brightly lit, which leads me to believe they've got higher priorities than getting online.

    "Do I want to eat this month, or do I want to read slashdot for ten minutes?" Decisions, decisions...

  122. Pizza and oppression by GringoGoiano · · Score: 1

    I love this article on two Italian pizza makers commissioned to demonstrate regional Italian cooking in North Korea. What a screwed up system. http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/DK21Dg03.html

  123. Hmm, why not a .KP address? by davidwr · · Score: 1
    I mean, how hard can it be?

    Hmm, might have to update a few things with the IANA first though, see http://www.iana.org/root-whois/kp.htm.

    Off-topic, but how'd a conservative government like North Korea get stuck with a top-level-domain that spells "K1ddy P0rn"????

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  124. Source for North Korean propaganda? by cyranoVR · · Score: 1

    Does anybody know of a web site that showcases North Korean propaganda art and movies? The cornier the better.

    After reading about their propaganda and 1 million+ person parades here, and this seeing this wicked awesome music video, I'm hungry for more.

    WARNING: The linked music video makes frequent use of the "F-Bomb" - possible NSFW.

  125. Re:Ha ha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funniest
    Loop
    Evar

    Please try to keep posts on topic.
    Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads.
    Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said.
    Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about.
    Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated. (You can read everything, even moderated posts, by adjusting your threshold on the User Preferences Page) Problems regarding accounts or comment posting should be sent to CowboyNeal.

  126. WTF? by jsimon12 · · Score: 1

    They didn't even have Kim Jong-il's hamburger recipe, I am pretty disappointed.

  127. Nationality list (plus NEW LOGIN NAME YOU CAN USE) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couldn't find "American" or "United States" or anything else relating to that huge North American empire in their list of nationalities. So I guess today I'm French.

    Anyway, if you want to log in without having to set up an account, use the following:

    Username: gnaaschlong
    Password: gnaaschlong

    In case you "forget" the password, for the password hint question I picked "How will Korea change after unification" from their drop down list, and the answer I gave was "more democracy"

  128. Hilarious -- From the FAQ by PrvtBurrito · · Score: 1
    Do I need to gain membership?

    Of course you may not have a membership.

    Looks like they should have had a native speaker check this over, first.

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  129. This is pretty creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    International Institute of the Juche Idea: http://www.cnet-ta.ne.jp/juche/defaulte.htm

  130. Irrelevant by Master+of+Transhuman · · Score: 1

    Since Bush intends to attack them before the elections.

    Seven naval carrier groups heading now for the Taiwan Straits under the ostensible cover of "intimidating China over Taiwan". You don't need seven groups for that. It is acknowledged that two would be adequate or even four. You need seven because you want three to five to stay in the Straits to prevent the Chinese from entering the war while you need the rest to conduct stand-off air raids on NK. You can't get too close to NK because they have hundreds of MiGs and their airbases are so close to the south that they can engage within six minutes. And they are trained to swarm US aircraft to prevent stand-off missiles from dropping them. So you need lots of carriers that can stand-off and launch air raids to support the stealth bombers.

    Flight of stealth bombers in South Korea for "training exercises for the next three or four months".

    Entire infantry brigade - the backbone of the US "tripwire" in South Korea - moving rapidly out of the country, supposedly to Iraq. This follows up the moving south of all US troops from the DMZ to avoid being "wiped out in three hours" which is the estimate should the North invade the South.

    The excuse for moving the troops out is "we need them in Iraq". The excuse for moving the troops back out of Iraq to Korea will be "we need them to fight the Koreans". Instead of losing the US military in Iraq to the massive national resistance which is building and which cannot be defeated militarily, Bush figures it's easier to start a hot war the US can actually win - even though Pentagon estimates are the US will lose fifty thousand US troops in the first ninety days of a war with NK.

    State department officials telling Congress that the North now has EIGHT nuclear weapons, not TWO. Amazing - the North spent twenty years getting TWO, and now we say they have EIGHT in the last 20 months. Shades of Iraqi WMDS.

    State department and Senators also claiming the justification for "regime change" in North Korea is Kim "can't feed his people". Shades of "Saddam gasses his own people".

    Clinton is dragged out to say the North is a threat - although he is careful for Democratic political reasons not to endorse pre-emptive strikes.

    Conclusion: Bush's October Surprise.

    I predicted this a year ago when the announcement was made about moving the DMZ troops. Everybody knew what it meant. So here we go.

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  131. Interesting by mepr · · Score: 0

    Genius! Pure unadulterated genius http://marklar.us

  132. Finland is number one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    1. Finland
    ...
    15. Switzerland & Costa Rica
    17. United States
    18. Hong Kong
    ...


    Actually the Finnish media is heavily concentrated into the hands of just a few owners. Yes, there is no censorship, state propaganda, or anything like that, but there really is no real discussion in the media about important current issues, such as whether Finland should join NATO or not. The owners of the media want the politicians to make closed cabinet decisions on these issues, which is why they rather shove their stupid Pop Idol shows on us.

    I quess that this type of owner control is really a lot worse in the USA at least.

    Anyhow, maybe i will one day work as a journalist again, so i will post as an anonymous coward. ;)

    1. Re:Finland is number one by Cpl+Laque · · Score: 1

      I don't think its worse in the US because even the owners of the media companies have diffent political views and you can see that just by change the channel between FOXNews and MSNBC or CNN. Even our printed press is quite varying look at the New York Times and Washington Post Comapred to the Washington Times. Or the Boston Globe compared to the Boston Herald.

      How is this study done anyways? I am not aware of anyone being censored other than Porn and Curse words.

    2. Re:Finland is number one by grammar+fascist · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I recall correctly, one of the big "problems" the studies found with the US press is that they're expected to abide by the law like all the rest of us. There's no magical protection for them (though an awful lot of them think it). They can't get past police barriers, withhold tip-offs of impending terrorism (and other crimes) without legal repercussions, etc.

      How very sad for us. Somehow, I don't feel quite so bad about being 31.

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  133. "We are one" shows both North and South Korea?! by puargsss · · Score: 1

    I find it extremely interesting that the "We are one" section icon shows both North and South Korea. An ultra censored xenophobic communist nation and a worldly important capitalist nation? The only place in the world where the US still has to actively deploy soldiers to mediate is on their common border. Those two countries are totally different worlds. Man, talk about propoganda.

  134. Their first website by [cx] · · Score: 0

    And we slashdot it!

    Thank for you browsing at 0

  135. Meanwhile, South Korea is censoring the Internet by hiendohar · · Score: 1

    South Korea may not be as free as you think. A few weeks ago, I was surprised to learn (from a friend of mine who is teaching English there) that the government was blocking access to a number of web sites, including blogs hosted at Blogger (a.k.a. BlogSpot) and TypePad (a.k.a blogs.com).

    The Korea Times and other news sources reported that this was done to frustrate the distribution of videos depicting the decapitation of South Korean hostage Kim Sun-il. But you hardly need to point out to Slashdot readers that blocking entire domains like that entails a lot of "collateral damage". My friend in Korea, for example, was unable to read his own blog, which consists mostly of his poems.

    I submitted this as a Your Rights Online story, but it was rejected for reasons I still don't understand. This is the kind of story that I depend on Slashdot to keep me apprised of.

  136. I registered! by Ath · · Score: 2, Informative
    I gave them my home phone number and cell number. I am beginning to worry that it was not such a good idea.

    Actually, the site is pretty funny. Let's see, when you register you can select the occupation of "soldier", something I have never seen before. But I guess when 70% of your population fits that label...

    Or the page where they act as if Kim Il Sung is still alive (kind of). The guy died years ago and they are celebrating his 92nd birthday. The page says 1912-2004, as if they just recently decided to acknowledge his death.

    I just picture the people who put the site together. "We're finished!" And then they were shot.

  137. e-mail location by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks like email will be located here...

    http://www.kcckp.net/external_e/e-mail.php

  138. WWIII by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, if slashdot causes WW3, does that mean CowboyNeal was always the right option on the poll?

  139. Re:Why is Slashdot Wasting Its Time with this Spoo by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    He claims he is going to wire up North Korea via satellite - bul*shit!
    Whew! I'm glad you didn't say "bull," that would have been bad.
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  140. They won't change this password soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This one will be harder to change
    It will say "fail_u" but you can still access the site.

  141. Nice secure site... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try logging in with usernames like 'admin' or 'dprk' and it is nice enough to tell you that it is an incorrect password.

    Other usernames like 'cowboyneal' say unregistered ID!

    I'll leave the ensuing dictionary attack as an exercise for those motivated politically or by sheer boredom.

    Cheers..

  142. Exploits... by thepeete · · Score: 0

    Seminar on Revolutionary Exploits of President Kim Il Sung Held in Cambodia

    Exploits... I sure didn't know he's a hacker.

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  143. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  144. Germany != North Korea by A1kmm · · Score: 1

    [andrew@hp devel]$ host www.kcckp.net
    www.kcckp.net has address 194.29.229.125
    [andrew@hp devel]$ whois 194.29.229.125
    % This is the RIPE Whois server.
    % The objects are in RPSL format.
    %
    % Rights restricted by copyright.
    % See http://www.ripe.net/ripencc/pub-services/db/copyri ght.html

    inetnum: 194.29.224.0 - 194.29.255.255
    netname: IPB-PI2
    descr: I/P/B Internet Provider in Berlin
    country: DE
    admin-c: IH408-RIPE
    tech-c: IH408-RIPE
    tech-c: JAN-RIPE
    status: ASSIGNED PI
    mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT
    mnt-lower: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT
    mnt-by: LAMBDASOL-MNT
    mnt-routes: LAMBDASOL-MNT
    mnt-by: IPB-MNT
    mnt-routes: IPB-MNT
    changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20000308
    changed: jan.czmok@jippiigroup.com 20010929
    changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20011009
    changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20011102
    changed: hostmaster@ripe.net 20021111
    source: RIPE

    route: 194.29.224.0/19
    descr: IPB-PI
    origin: AS20647
    remarks: removed cross-mnt: IPB-MNT
    mnt-by: IPB-MNT
    changed: czmok@lambda-solutions.de 20010929
    source: RIPE

    role: IPB Hostmaster
    address: I/P/B/ Internet Provider in Berlin GmbH
    address: Friedrichstr. 95
    address: D-10117 Berlin
    e-mail: hostmaster@ipberlin.com
    trouble: Bug reports mailto:hostmaster@ipberlin.com
    trouble: Urgent bug reports: call +49 30 2096-2951
    admin-c: SD192-RIPE
    tech-c: SD192-RIPE
    nic-hdl: IH408-RIPE
    mnt-by: IPB-MNT
    changed: hostmaster@ipberlin.com 19980812
    changed: hostmaster@ipberlin.com 20010418
    source: RIPE

    person: Jan-Ahrent Czmok
    address: Lambda-Solutions
    address: Holunderweg 5
    address: 55128 Mainz
    address: Germany
    phone: +49 160 97 25 6774
    e-mail: czmok@lambda-solutions.de
    nic-hdl: JAN-RIPE
    mnt-by: LAMBDASOL-MNT
    changed: czmok@lambda-solutions.de 20030317
    source: RIPE

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  145. leader is a nut case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to think the current leader of North Korea was a spoiled child and Stalin-like. Based on the site, North Korea's behavior takes on new light. It seems group think and Potemkin Village and divorced from reality are concepts that better apply. A long world tour would do the North Korean leadership a world of good.

  146. sheep-seki! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sheep-seki!

  147. Brilliant achievements daily by jms · · Score: 1
    I picked a random link and followed it:
    Leader appreciates workers' patriotic deeds

    Kim Jong Il, general secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea and chairman of the DPRK National Defence Commission, gave on-the-spot guidance to the Chongchongang Machine Factory.

    The leading officials of the factory greeted him.

    He looked round several production processes to familiarize himself with technical equipment and production.

    He was very pleased to see that the workers of the factory who are boundlessly loyal to the Party and revolution are making brilliant achievements daily in the herculean undertaking of building a great prosperous powerful nation and are keeping the factory and workplaces clean.
    This website puts The Onion to shame!
  148. New Password by kerthwap · · Score: 1

    User Id 'Kerthwap' Password 'Password' The North Korean government does not ask you for your email address. They distribute email addresses according to need. Feel free to use Kerthwap@kcckp.net for junkmail. Also, click on 'Korea is One' and it says 'Object not found!'

  149. Linux by booch · · Score: 1

    Click on the page about the IT Industry. It includes this:

    KCC [Korea Computer Center] regards it as its immediate target to reach the world level and to be competent in the world market in a few years in development of Linux-based operating system and applications, computer-aided high technology and services with its own core technology.

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  150. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? - germany by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " can't see the South Koreans loving the prospect of seeing their economy crumple to dust when they have to start providing for twenty two million new citizens with no first-world-economy skills."

    I thought about that, but then what about Germany. Remember when they were two countries? Their economy did drop but it bounced back considerably. What are they? Number 3 or 4 economy of the world?

    Unification would be a dandy idea only if it worked under a free regime. Since the collapse of the soviet union, this possibility has been left weaning.

    Overall, Koreans want a united nation. China wants an ally, and Japan wants Korea to stay split. Korea has always been a land bridge of conflict and will continue to be so unless it gets major backing from the US.

    Right now, Japan's the US biggest eastern ally. They're more likely to side with whatever Japan wants. I'd be interesting to see a democratic country exist between a communist and socialist.

  151. Re:Is it true, the two Koreas reunified? - germany by The+OPTiCIAN · · Score: 1

    > I thought about that, but then what about Germany.
    > Remember when they were two countries? Their
    > economy did drop but it bounced back considerably.
    > What are they? Number 3 or 4 economy of the world?

    (I don't have specific facts or figures to back up what I'm going to say, but I'd considered the German example as well and thought I'd indicate why I didn't mention it)

    West German citizens effectively lost their pensions thanks to the merger. (I know a German girl who talks about being lied to by Kohl and other people named after species of cabbage) West Germans was made significantly poorer by the move, and the differences between the two nations was far less than it is now between North and South Korea. North Korea is a really sick country. West Germany was a comparatively more powerful economy than South Korea currently is.

    I have no idea of populations. I suspect the ratio is about the same between the two examples (in favour of the parliamentary dictatorships over the commos).

    Two areas where West Germany was helped by the merge (and which might work for Korea as well) were (1) increased stability as a result of lessened security risks and (2) new markets opened up by liberalisation. The markets opened up to SK would be smaller than became available to west germany, however.

    - C

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