1. Stop whinging about things getting made in China or Asia. They already are and have been for years. IBM, HP, Dell and just about everyone has been subbing their work out to Asia.
2. Look around in any high-tech labs or companies, how many Taiwanese, Chinese, Indians etc etc are there? Race and demographics has nothing to do with quality or innovation of products but has everything to do with market forces.
3. IBM still needs a PC line-up in order to provide a full-spectrum solution to businesses. Hence the 18.9% stake in the joint venture. A lot of the design and IP will still be done by the same people or provided by IBM so the JV's product remains competitive (besides price)
4. Quality is not going to be an issue (on the premium product line as least) because of point 2 and dilution of the IBM branding to Lenovo is not a smart move at all.
5. IBM has been moving out of the commodity business and into higher-margin services and enterprise server business for a long time now and this is an orderly retreat, leaving the "kids" to fight out this commodity business.
6. Out of the 10k or so people whose affected, some 7000 are already in China, and Lenovo is moving its HQ to NY with the current IBM PC division chief becoming the CEO of Lenovo. Staff in Raleigh and other sites will also be taken on as well. is as good as any sale is going to get as far as people's jobs are concerned.
7. Most of the comments here are based on unfounded fears, simplistic views and a general unawareness of a bigger game in play.
8. And whoever posted the analogy to Volvo/Ford and Saab/GM forgot to mention Ford and GM are the reason the quality of Volvo and Saab went down so much, both of which are american companies.
9. At the risk of a rash generalisation (disregard if you know it doesn't apply to you) - please, would you americans stop thinking your shit don't stink.
Its more likely a tactical move by the defence in setting things up.... later on when it goes to trial they'll can the game as an excuse..... In years gone by people just used to claim insanity.....
I don't know, but this story may be a plug by Mr Taco for the businesses mentioned....
For those who are electronically inclined, i.e. those who know enough to design circuit boards, this is old news. There are zillions of places that does small production runs and all they need is your PCB file and credit card number. For fabrication, this is nothing new, not every engineer (even professional practices) have CNC machineries on standby. They rely on machine shops, what is new here, is their web presence and the fact that you guys have just figured out that these businesses exist.
As for testing, its the responsibility of the designer. Sometimes you shops that offers pad testing but thats mega-expensive especially when you are on a small run and need to do a proof of concept cheaply. So from time to time you get a dud board, its frustrating but that's life. .
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1. Stop whinging about things getting made in China or Asia. They already are and have been for years. IBM, HP, Dell and just about everyone has been subbing their work out to Asia.
2. Look around in any high-tech labs or companies, how many Taiwanese, Chinese, Indians etc etc are there? Race and demographics has nothing to do with quality or innovation of products but has everything to do with market forces.
3. IBM still needs a PC line-up in order to provide a full-spectrum solution to businesses. Hence the 18.9% stake in the joint venture. A lot of the design and IP will still be done by the same people or provided by IBM so the JV's product remains competitive (besides price)
4. Quality is not going to be an issue (on the premium product line as least) because of point 2 and dilution of the IBM branding to Lenovo is not a smart move at all.
5. IBM has been moving out of the commodity business and into higher-margin services and enterprise server business for a long time now and this is an orderly retreat, leaving the "kids" to fight out this commodity business.
6. Out of the 10k or so people whose affected, some 7000 are already in China, and Lenovo is moving its HQ to NY with the current IBM PC division chief becoming the CEO of Lenovo. Staff in Raleigh and other sites will also be taken on as well. is as good as any sale is going to get as far as people's jobs are concerned.
7. Most of the comments here are based on unfounded fears, simplistic views and a general unawareness of a bigger game in play.
8. And whoever posted the analogy to Volvo/Ford and Saab/GM forgot to mention Ford and GM are the reason the quality of Volvo and Saab went down so much, both of which are american companies.
9. At the risk of a rash generalisation (disregard if you know it doesn't apply to you) - please, would you americans stop thinking your shit don't stink.
Its more likely a tactical move by the defence in setting things up.... later on when it goes to trial they'll can the game as an excuse..... In years gone by people just used to claim insanity.....
I mean.... they didn't even tag the ground!!!
I don't know, but this story may be a plug by Mr Taco for the businesses mentioned....
For those who are electronically inclined, i.e. those who know enough to design circuit boards, this is old news. There are zillions of places that does small production runs and all they need is your PCB file and credit card number. For fabrication, this is nothing new, not every engineer (even professional practices) have CNC machineries on standby. They rely on machine shops, what is new here, is their web presence and the fact that you guys have just figured out that these businesses exist.
As for testing, its the responsibility of the designer. Sometimes you shops that offers pad testing but thats mega-expensive especially when you are on a small run and need to do a proof of concept cheaply. So from time to time you get a dud board, its frustrating but that's life.
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