And you KNOW why it ends up being that way ? Two reasons....
1. The bloody OS is a more porous than a sponge for all sorts of junkware.
2. Because they ( the Symantecs, and McAfee's of the world ) feel that they have to demonstrate blantantly to the user "Look how useful I am to you !! Look at me !!", so that they can try to justify in the user's minds the ridiculously overpriced license fees they charge for every nickel and dime piece of glopware they plaster your PC with. AV upgrade..Cha-Ching, Spamware upgrade...Cha-Ching, Firewall "upgrade" (c'mon you couldn't get it right the first time ? )...Cha-Ching !
All this as a self-sustaining, self-parasitic cycle of poo that consistently and repeatedly gums up the collective wheels of personal progress, for millions of people everywhere.
Now, would I navigate the waters of Windows World without an AV ? Hell NO. But that's why there's Free AVG ( Thank you Grisoft. Now, if only you could make it so that the default install wouldn't automatically set a schedule to make my PC perform an "ENTIRE" scan at 8 AM in the morning, I might actually give you higher marks. ).
You mean the language all the "programati" or "architectati" are leaving in droves for things like Ruby and Python ? You don't say, really ? Let's put it this way, I've been around enough that I've forgotten more languages than care to remember.....and every single one of them......followed in like 10-12 year cycles of something like this:
whispers.... murmurs.... then "talk".... then "hype".... then "furor".... ( No, not THAT kind of "Fu__her", you putz ) then rumble.... then talk..... then whisper...
Most languages from the 80's/90's today are hovering around the rumble/talk stage, with things like C#, PHP, Ruby, Python scattered across the "hype" or "furor" stages. Sure, disagree with me on those points...but Lisp....now THERE was a language ( and STILL is ! ).
Ask yourself....when was the last time you programmed a website in Snobol, eh ? Or Modula ? C'mon....and for you C# bigots, forget C++ or Java, you owe more to OBERON-2, than you realize. Oy, but that would be expecting too much of some folks.
Fair enough. Then why all the hub-bub about compiler vs. interpreted ? Just the same. The example is still a very specific domain where Ruby can and does address the scope of what's being done rather well.
I guess I need to see more examples of something other than the things 37signals have come up. So far I think what they have is good, but again, like their scope ( the Fortune 5,000,000 ), isn't always what will work for everyone. Which is, of course, why everyone bickers about this, that, or whatever other Web ( or Web-ish ) development framework.
Which leads to me to state again. If it weren't for the hype surrounding RoR's originator's offerings, this all wouldn't be an issue. Obviously hype is what turns people's heads, and hopefully makes them look longer than 2 seconds. And this is really where I think the "sanity" is lacking in this, and all discussions surrounding Web-2.whatever "technologies".
I see the usefulness, Bruce. But to quote Clara Peller of Wendy's fame, "Where's the beef ?". Where's the win here for large scale applications with RoR. How's RoR for maintainability in general where scale goes beyond the needs of a blog-base, or . And if RoR isn't intended for that scale of webapp, someone more important than ME, should come right out and say it openly.
Obviously I'm opening the door the door to be "proven wrong" here, but then again, that may have been my intention in the first place. Oh, and Bruce....enjoy the miracle of the lights with your family !
"Using Rails is a bit like using a Mac: you always run into these little helpful features that make you think it was created just for you."
Spoken like a true Mac bigot. How DARE you use my own proclivity against me. Now I can't argue with you just because you're a compadre. Damn.
Seriously, your's and the parents posts are precisely what I expected to have someone say. Still, the fact is that lots of code-gens for handling served up views of data, are in fact, out there for lots of other languages. The fact is that part of RoR's "personality issue" is because everyone has this idea that the RoR folks are touting it as that Silver Bullet ( not necessarily a trademark of the Coors Brewing Company ). Which I don't think is the case, but it...does....kinda...come...off...that way sometimes when you read how things are written up about it.
Personally, I hate hype. Nothing, ever lives up to the hype. So maybe it's just that the RoR folks need to express themselves better ? I saw that a new book about Enterprise level deployment with Ruby/RoR was announced. Maybe this will help with the perception problem, and clarify what domains RoR is a proper solution for.
Take a pill, robo-coder. He has a valid point. Obviously you're feeling a little religious about all this. Take a moment to go pray to the G_d you do ( or don't ) believe in, and ask for some divine inspiration.
The person who says that code, any code, is ever "easy to maintain", has never had to maintain their own code. There is a difference between "maintainable" and "easy to maintain". Come back in a while once you've figured that out.
"Yes. Either completely override the template for a specific method starting from zero with your own code, or get the code generated for that method and then alter it."
And this does not concern anyone, as to the level of maintainability being any less than just about any other home-grown code-reuse methodology/platform ? I thought RoR claim to fame was "light need" for maintainability. It's been touted in lots of places. In many articles, and yeah,in those 50Mb videos posted up on the RoR website. "You can put together a blog site in 60-something lines of Ruby", so what. If that site isn't going to change much in form or content is going to follow specific strict rules, then great. But you know, and I know that the web doesn't work like that. C'mon. Come to think about it,/. needs a look makeover itself.
Don't get me wrong, Bruce, I'm hearing what you're saying, and it has it's merit. But just because some of the view template code is autogen, and you can hand rub the parts you want, doesn't make it the "holy grail" ( or Sang Real, for those of you so inclined, not that I am ) it's been touted up to sound like. Hell, I actually like Ruby. It does have it's uses. Still, the fact is that for most other script languages, and some of the not-so-scripted languages, there are code-gen tools out there that will "help you over the hump", and do much of what RoR can do. Much, not all.
So now, considering that, how exactly does RoR get someone that much more bang per keystroke.
And frankly, this whole compiled vs. scripted ( nee. interpreted ) thing is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that all you have to do is tell your management to just buy more hardware and throw some more ram at the problem, if the site is serving up your applications too slowly.
In agreement with Jack9. Perhaps a case of another WikiPedia definition user ? But in all seriousness. If you think that scaffolding code is "just for demos", you're very much mistaken, and probably tied to the misguided notion that no one ever needs to reuse code ever.
"What he is really saying in this interview is that SBC owns the cable to the premises and won't be giving that away. SBC isn't talking about blocking their subscribers from seeing google.com. Makes sense to me.
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Who's giving it away ? They ALREADY paid for it. Maybe they didn't pay SBC directly. Maybe they paid someone who paid someone who paid someone who paid someone who paid SBC ????? But they PAID ( and by THEY I mean ANYONE ) for access AND USAGE of the bandwidth.
No one pays to go to Disneyland anymore just to LOOK at the rides. You go to RIDE, and ride again. And that's what he's REALLY saying. You can pay to go to SBC-land, but if you want to ride, you have to pay again. It doesn't work that way anymore, buckaroo. Get with the program !
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I haven't lost a job to an H1B...as a matter of fact.....
When I left the company, they hired 3 folks ( gee, I wonder what classifications they tried to use for that one ), of which 2 have left, and one as I understand it, is looking elsewhere at this very moment.
I, on the other hand, have returned to contracting, sure the pay increase sucks, and the getting phone calls from the previous employer to come back and enhance the product because they're short handed, is a drag.
But the sad fact of it all is quite simple. Whatever smoke you're trying to shove up the tailpipe of anyone reading your response to me, will be met by one of two types of readers:
1. A person who doesn't know better...and it is to THAT PERSON that I've posted my comments, and to which should take notice that your comments about me being "protectionist" are a SMOKE SCREEN. Don't be fooled. Recruiters would LOVE for you to think that H1B's are making "prevailing wage", but the sad fact of it is that they're not. Period. If they are, let companies publish a report that can be independently accounted for, that details the pay BY INDIVIDUAL, BY POSITION. Let's put them together with other numbers of other corporations with published figures given the same. We'll see what the numbers show. OF COURSE, no company in their right mind is going to belly up to the bar. Why ? Because they all know that people aren't stupid.
2. The person with more than a few brain cells working, that are going to see how companies are handling things like this, for the farce that it is.
No one's saying the that H1B folks are to blame, many of them are getting a raw-a$$ deal. You know it, I know it. The problem is, you don't have the conviction or fortitude of intestine to admit it freely, and call it out for accountability.
What would be a hoot...is if once Google had created this "Cloud", they reverse charged any SBC-origined transaction for the privilege of transferring data back and forth from the cloud.
Someone send a copy of "A Beautiful mind" to Witacre, apparently he SKIPPED the lecture the day in Management school that they spoke about GENERAL DYNAMICS !
No putz...because there will ALWAYS be the idiot who truly isn't qualified for the position, and hungry enough for a "shot at stardom" to send in their resume. Invariably in today's job market, you will get 100-300 resumes for almost ANY skilled IT position you put out there. I've had to cull through HUNDREDS of resume's in the past, and I can tell you from experience.....we're going this to ourselves.
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Not when they feed into the asenine notion that they can be offered 20-30% lower salaries for performing the same position as a US citizen. It may happen in RARE cases that they are offered similar, but those cases are in the single digits percentile. In EVERY contracting position I've been in over the last 15 years, there have ALWAYS been those folks who got whacked because they'd bring in H1B's to replace them. Straight off, I've even seen cases of people being laid off, only to have their position supplanted by an H1B. And don't tell me bullhockey excuses about "Oh maybe the person had bad habits, or maybe he was hard to get along with, etc..etc.". Wrong. One person in particular was simply an engineer with more years of experience.
You may be well spoken, but a fallacious argument is always full of holes, no matter how pretty the packaging.......sell it somewhere else, buddy.
"The L-1 and H-1b visas are "dual intent", meaning you may apply for immigrant status while in H or L status without risking your current non-immigrant status."
Aha !.....So you've just stated the PRECISE loophole that's been worded into the legislation since the mid-late 80's into the these statuses. These statii, at least the H1B, wasn't intended for the long term employment of "immigrational" employees, it was meant to TEMPORARILY SUPPLANT, the needs of a company who's industry found a difficulty in finding ALREADY CITIZENED skilled labor. That is SIMPLY NOT the case today, it just isn't. The numbers ( and I've yet to see someone point to DEFINITIVE studies, hell even ONE study, that says that there's a TRUE shortage of skilled IT people. ) There may be a lack of willingness of people to work for the technical equivalent of migrant farm worker salaries, but with all due respect to those migrants who pick our crops, THEY didn't go to college for a significant percentage of their lifetime ( at the time most college students GO to college ) to study their technical field. So, since we're NOT talking about the technical equivalent of a migrant worker, how come the salaries that are offered to many H1B's ARE valued like that. I'll bet if it you put a Citizened IT worker ( yes, PRESUMING qualifications match ) next to an H1B ( or L1 or F1 ) candidate, and offered the the Citizened IT worker the salary they're offereing the H1B/L1, OF COURSE they're going to tell you to fly a kite ( barring that they've been so grossly beaten down by unemployment that the mortgage company is knocking on their door ).
The simple reality of it is, that most Management today is UNWILLING to accept that they're cutting off their PETER to pay Paul. Here I am in Miami, after having gone through a hurricane, and sitting in a line at a home depot waiting to buy some batteries and flashlights ( maybe a tank of propane ), and who should be in front of me in line ? A guy who's studying to get his MIS degree. Already this drone has been reprogrammed to think that "Oh, there's nothing wrong with using H1B's, they're cheaper". You know the funny thing is....in a previous post, I mentioned interviewing several people for a position at my previous employer's, HALF of the people I interviewed were F1 -> H1B desirous, and NONE of them were up to the job ( and these were grad students ). So much for "cheaper is better". Luckily for him, I got called in to the home depot ( they're escorting people in to the stores due to loss of power ), or I would have told him how I turned away all those folks that he would take on willingly. Maybe I should've asked him what projects he was working on, so I steer clear of making use of their software, or better yet, submit a counter offer for implementation to FIX the bloody mess left behind by these "cheaper is better" programmers ( When someone can show me the programmers being churned out of colleges today actually adhere to standards and practices that are SANE, then I'll call them Engineers, but not before. )
Sorry for the rant, but putzes like this, and his buddy Axe ( Don't worry, I'll get to you in a minute or two, as soon as/. lets me post again ), that have NOT A SINGLE clue as the reality of life in the U.S job market, that tells me that it's going to take a brain overhaul of the whole industry for some sanity to resume, and for the U.S. to maintain it's technical lead over the rest of the world. Otherwise, I see hard times ahead for all of us.
In other news, over 85% of Miami remains without Electricity......keep the rest who don't have power in your thoughts. Time for me to help out, now that I'm in the 15% that does have power.
Having just delivered an enterprise application marketed by a Fortune 100 company, which was co-designed by myself and another employee ( who turned out to be an H1B ), I can PERSONALLY vouch for this process. Mind you, we lucked out, but that's because myself and another guy at the company did his technical interview, and the (so-called) Director didn't get involved other than to "cull the herd" of resume's.
Hint: The guy who was finally brought in, was the 6th person we had interviewed for the position, having gotten resumes from Monster, HotJobs, and a couple of recruiting firms. It took 8 months to bring him in. Mind you, there WERE other folks who we interviewed who WERE qualified, but frankly, from what I understand of their reaction to a job offer ( those who were even offered a job ), the salary they were offered was SIGNIFICANTLY lower than what the position called for.
Have you SEEN the number of reports claiming that many study results are "PhD'd" just to either garner attention ( kind of like Scientific Munchausens ) or $$$ ( GBP, Yen, etc. ) thrown at further studies ?
The next time someone tells me that mosts scientists don't push "facts", I'll point them at the ping pong of studies saying that caffeine is and isn't harmful to you.
Don't preach facts about all scientists, when observation speaks otherwise about sizeable ( and growing, unfortunately ) number of studies which continually get called into question, for reasons other than "faulty data".
That's not how you made yourself come across. Your phrasing DID have a condescending, and "holier than thou" tone to them. And just because I'm back into contracting doesn't mean that I take that I take hit from code bong. As a matter of fact, nowadays I have MORE time to spend with my kid than when I was a single drone working at IBM.
My comments still stand....
You also might want to consider taking a little English. I hope your code doesn't run on like your sentences.
Dude...what the hell kind of hashhish are you on. It's not that you WOULD, but that ( and it's a documented ) fact there are SIGNIFICANT lifestyle differences between singles and families. But hey, if you want a bigger house...great...work for it. What ? that hash habit got you jonesing ? Dude, I'd get some help for that.
At least stop bitching at someone who's just stated the truth. What ? Don't like it, how about formulating a REAL opinion, rather than spewing some half-witted not-even-close-to pseudo-intellectual sarcasm.
I mean real water. Not some over-developed, polluted bay or lake. Forget google...take a look at a picture of the globe somewhere. And you don't even have to zoom in, so you won't hurt your eyes.
What he means is that it's plainly obvious you haven't lived there. So you and your wife want to go, great..by all means go. That's what the Constitution and Bill of Rights tell you, you can do.
Now, when you're there and settled, and have been there for a while, and it's FINALLY started to sink that, "Shit, apples don't cost just $0.05 more, gas doesn't just cast $0.50 more. And where again are my taxes going to subsidize ?" Then, maybe then, you'll actually get it.
And to that clown who'd rather have the matchbox in Marin rather than a house in the midwest. I hear that Nebraska and Kansas are offering free land. Not that that's where I'd like to move, but eventually, you're going to decide that that converted 1 car garage for $100,000 doesn't quite make the same sort of sense it did when you first moved in all shiny and new from college.
No..it's time for companies to maybe think "out of the valley" for once. Not all of us care to live in Cali. I'd rather see the sun RISE over the water, than set ( but if you're lucky enough to live in FL you can see both. I can just hear the "voting" jokes...c'mon, bring'm on. ).
Still, the point is there. Startup company's over there hem and haw about not finding talent this, or talent that. Get a CLUE, most of us don't want to live in Overpriced-everything land, ok ?
So if that there aren't enough engineers in the valley is the excuse start ups are using to try to get in more H1B's then they deserve to crash and burn like they did during the DotBomb Boom. There is NOT a shortage of qualified engineers in the United States of America ( and Canada ). What there IS a shortage of, is legislators who will stop being namby-pamby's whenever someone like Bill G complains that it's costing him 2 Million more to drill out a new wing for his house, and his financials won't look right because he can't get the number of UNDERPAID H1B's and F1's that he wants.
There isn't a shortage of skilled engineers, it's not like we're picking tomatoes out of the ground people, it's that company's have come up with progressively sneakier and more loop-hole clinging ways to try to maintain the pay scales down.
Hence, why I've gone back to contracting. As long as you're going to think you're going to run your company with impunity, I'll charge you for the privilege of that false sense of power.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again,....more power to the company who is prepared to pay for a skill, they will keep that skill longer, and get more ROI dollar for dollar, out of that person, than the company who isn't. Sure, some of you younger guys are willing to work for "wheatgrass" drinks, but just wait until you have a family and have REAL bills, we'll see if that extra indoor basketball court is really worth that absense of a commensurate salary.
"As many as possible. Use PHP for the front end, Perl for input parsing, Euphoria for the graphics, JavaScript on the client-side, Moo for the database and Python for the glue to hold things together. Every language has strengths and weaknesses."
The above statement is PRECISELY why the state of software development across this country is as it is......I nominate this person as the FIRST person to vote OUT of a Software Engineer's Union when it comes down to that to protect the state of the business that the politicians and the beaners won't. It's precisely because nimnuls like this abound across this country that we're in the state that we're in. This is why HR departments are the hell holes that they are today. Because no one in their RIGHT MIND would think that ANY solution like this is truly viable.
I don't remember who to credit with this..but it DEFINITELY applies....
Just because one CAN do a thing, means that one SHOULD do a thing.
And this is surprising to people because ? C'mon, anyone who's been around the block a few times KNOWS that design != good performance.
With most software, most folks design to achieve functional goals, then think of performance AFTER the fact. You see it again and again. Here's a blast from the past. Most folks won't remember that between Win NT 3.1 -> Win NT 3.51 ->Win NT 4.0 ->Win NT 5(otherwise known as Win2K ), Microsoft progressively, came to realize that having to transition from GDI user-mode to GDI supervisor-mode took WAY too long. So, across those releases, they migrated more and more and more of what was performed in user-mode back downstairs, just like it'd been in EVERY other Windows OS they'd ever released before.
Don't believe me ? Familiarize yourself with a little function introduced at the first Win32 conference in 1992...GdiSetBatchingLimit(). It's specific purpose..was for YOU, as a programmer to specify to the Gdi what quantity of graphic orders it would hold in reserve within user-mode, BEFORE "batching them" down to supervisor mode. Obviously after releasing Windows NT, someone came to the serious realization that UI performance was anything BUT that, and with coming to their senses, embarked on undoing their mistakes. Anyone programming in Windows is STILL paying for those sorts of faux pas in WinXP today.
So, with that little history lesson in mind, who in class again thinks that "Design == Performance" ?
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And you KNOW why it ends up being that way ? Two reasons....
1. The bloody OS is a more porous than a sponge for all sorts of junkware.
2. Because they ( the Symantecs, and McAfee's of the world ) feel that they have to demonstrate blantantly to the user "Look how useful I am to you !! Look at me !!", so that they can try to justify in the user's minds the ridiculously overpriced license fees they charge for every nickel and dime piece of glopware they plaster your PC with. AV upgrade..Cha-Ching, Spamware upgrade...Cha-Ching, Firewall "upgrade" (c'mon you couldn't get it right the first time ? )...Cha-Ching !
All this as a self-sustaining, self-parasitic cycle of poo that consistently and repeatedly gums up the collective wheels of personal progress, for millions of people everywhere.
Now, would I navigate the waters of Windows World without an AV ? Hell NO. But that's why there's Free AVG ( Thank you Grisoft. Now, if only you could make it so that the default install wouldn't automatically set a schedule to make my PC perform an "ENTIRE" scan at 8 AM in the morning, I might actually give you higher marks. ).
You mean the language all the "programati" or "architectati" are leaving in droves for things like Ruby and Python ? You don't say, really ? Let's put it this way, I've been around enough that I've forgotten more languages than care to remember.....and every single one of them......followed in like 10-12 year cycles of something like this:
....and for you C# bigots, forget C++ or Java, you owe more to OBERON-2, than you realize. Oy, but that would be expecting too much of some folks.
whispers....
murmurs....
then "talk"....
then "hype"....
then "furor".... ( No, not THAT kind of "Fu__her", you putz )
then rumble....
then talk.....
then whisper...
Most languages from the 80's/90's today are hovering around the rumble/talk stage, with things like C#, PHP, Ruby, Python scattered across the "hype" or "furor" stages. Sure, disagree with me on those points...but Lisp....now THERE was a language ( and STILL is ! ).
Ask yourself....when was the last time you programmed a website in Snobol, eh ? Or Modula ? C'mon
Fair enough. Then why all the hub-bub about compiler vs. interpreted ? Just the same. The example is still a very specific domain where Ruby can and does address the scope of what's being done rather well.
I guess I need to see more examples of something other than the things 37signals have come up. So far I think what they have is good, but again, like their scope ( the Fortune 5,000,000 ), isn't always what will work for everyone. Which is, of course, why everyone bickers about this, that, or whatever other Web ( or Web-ish ) development framework.
Which leads to me to state again. If it weren't for the hype surrounding RoR's originator's offerings, this all wouldn't be an issue. Obviously hype is what turns people's heads, and hopefully makes them look longer than 2 seconds. And this is really where I think the "sanity" is lacking in this, and all discussions surrounding Web-2.whatever "technologies".
I see the usefulness, Bruce. But to quote Clara Peller of Wendy's fame, "Where's the beef ?". Where's the win here for large scale applications with RoR. How's RoR for maintainability in general where scale goes beyond the needs of a blog-base, or . And if RoR isn't intended for that scale of webapp, someone more important than ME, should come right out and say it openly.
Obviously I'm opening the door the door to be "proven wrong" here, but then again, that may have been my intention in the first place. Oh, and Bruce....enjoy the miracle of the lights with your family !
"Using Rails is a bit like using a Mac: you always run into these little helpful features that make you think it was created just for you."
...does....kinda...come...off...that way sometimes when you read how things are written up about it.
Spoken like a true Mac bigot. How DARE you use my own proclivity against me. Now I can't argue with you just because you're a compadre. Damn.
Seriously, your's and the parents posts are precisely what I expected to have someone say. Still, the fact is that lots of code-gens for handling served up views of data, are in fact, out there for lots of other languages. The fact is that part of RoR's "personality issue" is because everyone has this idea that the RoR folks are touting it as that Silver Bullet ( not necessarily a trademark of the Coors Brewing Company ). Which I don't think is the case, but it
Personally, I hate hype. Nothing, ever lives up to the hype. So maybe it's just that the RoR folks need to express themselves better ? I saw that a new book about Enterprise level deployment with Ruby/RoR was announced. Maybe this will help with the perception problem, and clarify what domains RoR is a proper solution for.
Take a pill, robo-coder. He has a valid point. Obviously you're feeling a little religious about all this. Take a moment to go pray to the G_d you do ( or don't ) believe in, and ask for some divine inspiration.
The person who says that code, any code, is ever "easy to maintain", has never had to maintain their own code. There is a difference between "maintainable" and "easy to maintain". Come back in a while once you've figured that out.
That last paragraph was meant as light-hearted sarcasm. Picked the wrong text type. Oh well... /.
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"Yes. Either completely override the template for a specific method starting from zero with your own code, or get the code generated for that method and then alter it."
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And this does not concern anyone, as to the level of maintainability being any less than just about any other home-grown code-reuse methodology/platform ? I thought RoR claim to fame was "light need" for maintainability. It's been touted in lots of places. In many articles, and yeah,in those 50Mb videos posted up on the RoR website. "You can put together a blog site in 60-something lines of Ruby", so what. If that site isn't going to change much in form or content is going to follow specific strict rules, then great. But you know, and I know that the web doesn't work like that. C'mon. Come to think about it,
Don't get me wrong, Bruce, I'm hearing what you're saying, and it has it's merit. But just because some of the view template code is autogen, and you can hand rub the parts you want, doesn't make it the "holy grail" ( or Sang Real, for those of you so inclined, not that I am ) it's been touted up to sound like. Hell, I actually like Ruby. It does have it's uses. Still, the fact is that for most other script languages, and some of the not-so-scripted languages, there are code-gen tools out there that will "help you over the hump", and do much of what RoR can do. Much, not all.
So now, considering that, how exactly does RoR get someone that much more bang per keystroke.
And frankly, this whole compiled vs. scripted ( nee. interpreted ) thing is ridiculous. Everyone KNOWS that all you have to do is tell your management to just buy more hardware and throw some more ram at the problem, if the site is serving up your applications too slowly.
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In agreement with Jack9. Perhaps a case of another WikiPedia definition user ? But in all seriousness. If you think that scaffolding code is "just for demos", you're very much mistaken, and probably tied to the misguided notion that no one ever needs to reuse code ever.
"What he is really saying in this interview is that SBC owns the cable to the premises and won't be giving that away. SBC isn't talking about blocking their subscribers from seeing google.com. Makes sense to me.
My $0.02"
Who's giving it away ? They ALREADY paid for it. Maybe they didn't pay SBC directly. Maybe they paid someone who paid someone who paid someone who paid someone who paid SBC ????? But they PAID ( and by THEY I mean ANYONE ) for access AND USAGE of the bandwidth.
No one pays to go to Disneyland anymore just to LOOK at the rides. You go to RIDE, and ride again. And that's what he's REALLY saying. You can pay to go to SBC-land, but if you want to ride, you have to pay again. It doesn't work that way anymore, buckaroo. Get with the program !
I haven't lost a job to an H1B...as a matter of fact.....
When I left the company, they hired 3 folks ( gee, I wonder what classifications they tried to use for that one ), of which 2 have left, and one as I understand it, is looking elsewhere at this very moment.
I, on the other hand, have returned to contracting, sure the pay increase sucks, and the getting phone calls from the previous employer to come back and enhance the product because they're short handed, is a drag.
But the sad fact of it all is quite simple. Whatever smoke you're trying to shove up the tailpipe of anyone reading your response to me, will be met by one of two types of readers:
1. A person who doesn't know better...and it is to THAT PERSON that I've posted my comments, and to which should take notice that your comments about me being "protectionist" are a SMOKE SCREEN. Don't be fooled. Recruiters would LOVE for you to think that H1B's are making "prevailing wage", but the sad fact of it is that they're not. Period. If they are, let companies publish a report that can be independently accounted for, that details the pay BY INDIVIDUAL, BY POSITION. Let's put them together with other numbers of other corporations with published figures given the same. We'll see what the numbers show. OF COURSE, no company in their right mind is going to belly up to the bar. Why ? Because they all know that people aren't stupid.
2. The person with more than a few brain cells working, that are going to see how companies are handling things like this, for the farce that it is.
No one's saying the that H1B folks are to blame, many of them are getting a raw-a$$ deal. You know it, I know it. The problem is, you don't have the conviction or fortitude of intestine to admit it freely, and call it out for accountability.
What would be a hoot...is if once Google had created this "Cloud", they reverse charged any SBC-origined transaction for the privilege of transferring data back and forth from the cloud.
Someone send a copy of "A Beautiful mind" to Witacre, apparently he SKIPPED the lecture the day in Management school that they spoke about GENERAL DYNAMICS !
No putz...because there will ALWAYS be the idiot who truly isn't qualified for the position, and hungry enough for a "shot at stardom" to send in their resume. Invariably in today's job market, you will get 100-300 resumes for almost ANY skilled IT position you put out there. I've had to cull through HUNDREDS of resume's in the past, and I can tell you from experience.....we're going this to ourselves.
Go in peace.
Not when they feed into the asenine notion that they can be offered 20-30% lower salaries for performing the same position as a US citizen. It may happen in RARE cases that they are offered similar, but those cases are in the single digits percentile. In EVERY contracting position I've been in over the last 15 years, there have ALWAYS been those folks who got whacked because they'd bring in H1B's to replace them. Straight off, I've even seen cases of people being laid off, only to have their position supplanted by an H1B. And don't tell me bullhockey excuses about "Oh maybe the person had bad habits, or maybe he was hard to get along with, etc..etc.". Wrong. One person in particular was simply an engineer with more years of experience.
You may be well spoken, but a fallacious argument is always full of holes, no matter how pretty the packaging.......sell it somewhere else, buddy.
"The L-1 and H-1b visas are "dual intent", meaning you may apply for immigrant status while in H or L status without risking your current non-immigrant status."
/. lets me post again ), that have NOT A SINGLE clue as the reality of life in the U.S job market, that tells me that it's going to take a brain overhaul of the whole industry for some sanity to resume, and for the U.S. to maintain it's technical lead over the rest of the world. Otherwise, I see hard times ahead for all of us.
Aha !.....So you've just stated the PRECISE loophole that's been worded into the legislation since the mid-late 80's into the these statuses. These statii, at least the H1B, wasn't intended for the long term employment of "immigrational" employees, it was meant to TEMPORARILY SUPPLANT, the needs of a company who's industry found a difficulty in finding ALREADY CITIZENED skilled labor. That is SIMPLY NOT the case today, it just isn't. The numbers ( and I've yet to see someone point to DEFINITIVE studies, hell even ONE study, that says that there's a TRUE shortage of skilled IT people. ) There may be a lack of willingness of people to work for the technical equivalent of migrant farm worker salaries, but with all due respect to those migrants who pick our crops, THEY didn't go to college for a significant percentage of their lifetime ( at the time most college students GO to college ) to study their technical field. So, since we're NOT talking about the technical equivalent of a migrant worker, how come the salaries that are offered to many H1B's ARE valued like that. I'll bet if it you put a Citizened IT worker ( yes, PRESUMING qualifications match ) next to an H1B ( or L1 or F1 ) candidate, and offered the the Citizened IT worker the salary they're offereing the H1B/L1, OF COURSE they're going to tell you to fly a kite ( barring that they've been so grossly beaten down by unemployment that the mortgage company is knocking on their door ).
The simple reality of it is, that most Management today is UNWILLING to accept that they're cutting off their PETER to pay Paul. Here I am in Miami, after having gone through a hurricane, and sitting in a line at a home depot waiting to buy some batteries and flashlights ( maybe a tank of propane ), and who should be in front of me in line ? A guy who's studying to get his MIS degree. Already this drone has been reprogrammed to think that "Oh, there's nothing wrong with using H1B's, they're cheaper". You know the funny thing is....in a previous post, I mentioned interviewing several people for a position at my previous employer's, HALF of the people I interviewed were F1 -> H1B desirous, and NONE of them were up to the job ( and these were grad students ). So much for "cheaper is better". Luckily for him, I got called in to the home depot ( they're escorting people in to the stores due to loss of power ), or I would have told him how I turned away all those folks that he would take on willingly. Maybe I should've asked him what projects he was working on, so I steer clear of making use of their software, or better yet, submit a counter offer for implementation to FIX the bloody mess left behind by these "cheaper is better" programmers ( When someone can show me the programmers being churned out of colleges today actually adhere to standards and practices that are SANE, then I'll call them Engineers, but not before. )
Sorry for the rant, but putzes like this, and his buddy Axe ( Don't worry, I'll get to you in a minute or two, as soon as
In other news, over 85% of Miami remains without Electricity......keep the rest who don't have power in your thoughts. Time for me to help out, now that I'm in the 15% that does have power.
Having just delivered an enterprise application marketed by a Fortune 100 company, which was co-designed by myself and another employee ( who turned out to be an H1B ), I can PERSONALLY vouch for this process. Mind you, we lucked out, but that's because myself and another guy at the company did his technical interview, and the (so-called) Director didn't get involved other than to "cull the herd" of resume's.
Hint: The guy who was finally brought in, was the 6th person we had interviewed for the position, having gotten resumes from Monster, HotJobs, and a couple of recruiting firms. It took 8 months to bring him in. Mind you, there WERE other folks who we interviewed who WERE qualified, but frankly, from what I understand of their reaction to a job offer ( those who were even offered a job ), the salary they were offered was SIGNIFICANTLY lower than what the position called for.
Have you SEEN the number of reports claiming that many study results are "PhD'd" just to either garner attention ( kind of like Scientific Munchausens ) or $$$ ( GBP, Yen, etc. ) thrown at further studies ? The next time someone tells me that mosts scientists don't push "facts", I'll point them at the ping pong of studies saying that caffeine is and isn't harmful to you. Don't preach facts about all scientists, when observation speaks otherwise about sizeable ( and growing, unfortunately ) number of studies which continually get called into question, for reasons other than "faulty data".
That's not how you made yourself come across. Your phrasing DID have a condescending, and "holier than thou" tone to them. And just because I'm back into contracting doesn't mean that I take that I take hit from code bong. As a matter of fact, nowadays I have MORE time to spend with my kid than when I was a single drone working at IBM.
My comments still stand....
You also might want to consider taking a little English. I hope your code doesn't run on like your sentences.
Dude...what the hell kind of hashhish are you on. It's not that you WOULD, but that ( and it's a documented ) fact there are SIGNIFICANT lifestyle differences between singles and families. But hey, if you want a bigger house...great...work for it. What ? that hash habit got you jonesing ? Dude, I'd get some help for that.
At least stop bitching at someone who's just stated the truth. What ? Don't like it, how about formulating a REAL opinion, rather than spewing some half-witted not-even-close-to pseudo-intellectual sarcasm.
I mean real water. Not some over-developed, polluted bay or lake. Forget google...take a look at a picture of the globe somewhere. And you don't even have to zoom in, so you won't hurt your eyes.
What he means is that it's plainly obvious you haven't lived there. So you and your wife want to go, great..by all means go. That's what the Constitution and Bill of Rights tell you, you can do.
Now, when you're there and settled, and have been there for a while, and it's FINALLY started to sink that, "Shit, apples don't cost just $0.05 more, gas doesn't just cast $0.50 more. And where again are my taxes going to subsidize ?" Then, maybe then, you'll actually get it.
And to that clown who'd rather have the matchbox in Marin rather than a house in the midwest. I hear that Nebraska and Kansas are offering free land. Not that that's where I'd like to move, but eventually, you're going to decide that that converted 1 car garage for $100,000 doesn't quite make the same sort of sense it did when you first moved in all shiny and new from college.
No..it's time for companies to maybe think "out of the valley" for once. Not all of us care to live in Cali. I'd rather see the sun RISE over the water, than set ( but if you're lucky enough to live in FL you can see both. I can just hear the "voting" jokes...c'mon, bring'm on. ).
Still, the point is there. Startup company's over there hem and haw about not finding talent this, or talent that. Get a CLUE, most of us don't want to live in Overpriced-everything land, ok ?
So if that there aren't enough engineers in the valley is the excuse start ups are using to try to get in more H1B's then they deserve to crash and burn like they did during the DotBomb Boom. There is NOT a shortage of qualified engineers in the United States of America ( and Canada ). What there IS a shortage of, is legislators who will stop being namby-pamby's whenever someone like Bill G complains that it's costing him 2 Million more to drill out a new wing for his house, and his financials won't look right because he can't get the number of UNDERPAID H1B's and F1's that he wants.
There isn't a shortage of skilled engineers, it's not like we're picking tomatoes out of the ground people, it's that company's have come up with progressively sneakier and more loop-hole clinging ways to try to maintain the pay scales down.
Hence, why I've gone back to contracting. As long as you're going to think you're going to run your company with impunity, I'll charge you for the privilege of that false sense of power.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again,....more power to the company who is prepared to pay for a skill, they will keep that skill longer, and get more ROI dollar for dollar, out of that person, than the company who isn't. Sure, some of you younger guys are willing to work for "wheatgrass" drinks, but just wait until you have a family and have REAL bills, we'll see if that extra indoor basketball court is really worth that absense of a commensurate salary.
Putz....if this post weren't put up by a coward, it'd be troll meat for sure.
Idiot..let people have a normal conversation, otherwise pipe with something SIGNIFICANT to say. Otherwise, keep the heck quiet.
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..but it DEFINITELY applies....
The above statement is PRECISELY why the state of software development across this country is as it is......I nominate this person as the FIRST person to vote OUT of a Software Engineer's Union when it comes down to that to protect the state of the business that the politicians and the beaners won't. It's precisely because nimnuls like this abound across this country that we're in the state that we're in. This is why HR departments are the hell holes that they are today. Because no one in their RIGHT MIND would think that ANY solution like this is truly viable.
I don't remember who to credit with this
Just because one CAN do a thing, means that one SHOULD do a thing.
re: design != good performance.
Ooops...got caught by the > < gotcha. What that phrase was supposed..to say was..
good design !_NECESSARILY_= good performance.
And this is surprising to people because ? C'mon, anyone who's been around the block a few times KNOWS that design != good performance.
With most software, most folks design to achieve functional goals, then think of performance AFTER the fact. You see it again and again. Here's a blast from the past. Most folks won't remember that between Win NT 3.1 -> Win NT 3.51 ->Win NT 4.0 ->Win NT 5(otherwise known as Win2K ), Microsoft progressively, came to realize that having to transition from GDI user-mode to GDI supervisor-mode took WAY too long. So, across those releases, they migrated more and more and more of what was performed in user-mode back downstairs, just like it'd been in EVERY other Windows OS they'd ever released before.
Don't believe me ? Familiarize yourself with a little function introduced at the first Win32 conference in 1992...GdiSetBatchingLimit(). It's specific purpose..was for YOU, as a programmer to specify to the Gdi what quantity of graphic orders it would hold in reserve within user-mode, BEFORE "batching them" down to supervisor mode. Obviously after releasing Windows NT, someone came to the serious realization that UI performance was anything BUT that, and with coming to their senses, embarked on undoing their mistakes. Anyone programming in Windows is STILL paying for those sorts of faux pas in WinXP today.
So, with that little history lesson in mind, who in class again thinks that "Design == Performance" ?