Yes, but at least this time they mentioned software emulation. That wasn't even mentioned before, making it sound more like a dual-boot system to me. Maybe next time this news story is posted they'll get the description entirely right? Possibly even mentioning that this is talking about tablets, not laptops or PC's?
Indeed. Just think; the best of both worlds. When I try to work with the garish, non-intuitive interface that is Windows 8, I'm thinking to myself "if only I could play Candy Cows. Too bad it's only on Android." This seems like someone observed that people would be willing to use a non-Microsoft platform if there were a few Microsoft apps they could run in emulation, completely misunderstood why people think that, and had the bright idea that the reverse must be true as well.
My impression is, commercial speech to text works really well right now -- in fact, just well enough to lull you into complacency before it really screws you up.
Reminds me of the current batch of commercials from a certain internet provider who will remain nameless (but rhymes with... ur... rurr.... trrr... blomcast.) trumpeting WE HAVE THE FASTEST INTERNET. DON'T GO WITH SLOW INTERNET, GO WITH WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING OURSELVES THESE DAYS!!! When, actually, once you get past around 5 Mbps most people can't tell the difference, and past 15 Mbps even geeks have to measure. But it *seems* faster, due to placebo effect.
Another example would be the MIPS wars of last decade. We've long since gotten fast enough that, Ma and Pa Kettle can't tell.
Hey, at least it's a better description this time.
You're kidding right? "will unveil systems that simultaneously run two different operating systems, both Windows and Android" is exactly what it is not. These systems will only run the Windows 8 operating system. They don't run the Android operating system. At all. Ever. Not even a little bit. They have some kind of API that allows them to run some Android apps. This is as != to "simultaneously run two different operating systems" as one can get without ripping a hole in spacetime.
People people people! Read TFA! These laptops are running Windows and not anything but Windows. There's a lot less here than meets the eye.
BlueStacks has been around since 2012, funded in part by AMD, pre-installed on some PCs, and has not been a game-changer.
Right, because, when people want to run Android applications, they do so on Android tablets. People aren't going "gee, I really want a Windows 8 tablet... the colors are so pretty... but Broccoli Holocaust only runs on Android." If they're buying Windows tablets, it's in the belief that they will run Windows applications. There's not really any other reason.
Not to mention, in the usage case where you want to take notes while running an app, if you've patched up Windows 8 to the point where it will show two windows at a time, as soon as you start taking notes the "virtual keyboard" takes up 2/3 of the screen and you can't see what you're doing anyway. It's broken.
> They seemed too tidily packaged, too neat, 'too good to check,' as they used to say, to actually be true.
I think in some cases, that the editors really wanted the stories to be true plays a part. It's not difficult to create fake news that the major news outlets will carry -- just tell them what they want to hear.
That is so disingenuous. Windows 8 was also all maximized all the time, until they realized that users by and large considered this a bad model for a laptop and switched to the current maximum of two windows, which is still a broken paradigm for a laptop and unnecessary on a tablet. In trying to be all things to all people Windows 8 does nothing well.
I understand, really. This Android API is trying to make up for the lack of a rich enough native app ecosystem for Windows 8. Trying to market it as "manufacturers revolting against Microsoft" tries to appeal to geeks. Shameless marketing erroneously repeating blatant falsehoods like "packs Android and Windows in the same box!!!" tries to appeal to people who are thinking "hm, I was interested in that Samsung Galaxy notepad, but maybe with this I can have the best of both worlds!" When all the get is Windows 8, a fundamentally broken paradigm, that just happens to also run some Android apps. If people fall for this, they deserve all the frustration their new purchase is going to give them.
The thing is, if they were serious about "a shot across Microsoft's bow", they'd actually have the machines dual boot into Android. They don't do that. They only run Windows 8. (Read the article!)
I can see where Microsoft would like to believe this is what happens, but I suspect more likely it'll be (six months later) oh, that Windows 8 box? I got rid of it. Got a Samsung tablet instead. Runs Android natively, less clunky GUI than Windows, does everything I want.
But what about Windows apps?
What Windows apps? I've got Quickoffice if someone sends me a Word doc or spreadsheet or something. You can't really interact with spreadsheets or create Word documents very well on a tablet anyway. I don't use it for that.
This is a dupe of an article posted last week. It even points to the same news article.
These systems do not "simultaneously run two operating systems". They run Windows 8 and only Windows 8. They also include an API to allow them to run some Android applications on Windows 8. That's all. Creating nifty new buzzwords, creating rumors that this is some kind of rebellion against Microsoft or any other buzzcrap doesn't change that basic fact.
Again, it's a Windows 8 machine that will also run some Android apps. That's all. It doesn't dual boot, and it doesn't run Android.
Marrying someone who dodges responsibility doesn't seem very smart to me
Didn't know it at the time.
I suppose that's her fault, for concealing it, right?
It's not about fault. It's expected for people to conceal their negative qualities. Well, in my experience, women mostly. Men tend to belch and fart and seduce her roommate, just get it over with.
I admire your no-console policy because consoles haven't traditionally been platforms for end user experimentation. For example, console games rarely have legitimate user-created mods. But with a no-console policy and more than one gamer in the house, you have to either take turns on the PC, connect multiple gamepads and a large monitor to the PC, or buy multiple gaming PCs and multiple copies of each game. Which option did your household choose?
Hm. Daughter used to have DDR parties. The dance pads are USB and you can plug two into a PC at a time. Lessee... We have multiple PCs, of course. I'm a computer geek. I have five spun up right now, and two servers in the garage. We used to play Diablo against each other, and for that you really do need two copies of the game, unfortunately. Other than that, not really. We played a lot of board games, though. When she was really little I started her on chess. Yes, I did. We each played with half the pieces. It was easier for her to keep track. We really weren't oriented towards computer games. I read to her a lot. All of the Heinlein juveniles, all ten Amber novels, much of Lord of the Rings (prep for the movies), something like 30 of Terry Pratchett's novels.
I'm grappling with the question a little because our family just isn't like that. I guess she had a terrible childhood, never having played cooperative Halo. Or, wait, she did, at a friend's house. Bad example.
As long as it also ran Android apps and supported the marketplace, sure. That might be more appropriate, actually, as it'd run libreoffice natively also.
People people people! Read TFA! These laptops are running Windows and not anything but Windows. This "two OSs at once" crap is just that. They support the Android API, so (some) Android apps will run on Windows. That's all. There's a lot less here than meets the eye.
So there's no use saying they should have picked Chrome OS or Linux or some other OS to run in conjunction with the Windows OS, because they're not running anything but the Windows OS. Sorry to be a buzzkill.
That would work for me, for a regular laptop, but in case you've never tried Windows 7 on a touch screen, it's, um, not very good. Quite bad, really. Utter crap, actually. A Windows 7 two-in-one would just be a laptop with a touch screen you never use.
At first I thought they would allow dual boot -- Windows or Android. Then, I could buy one and just boot Android and leave it there. On the rare occasions when I needed Windows, (for instance, to run Adobe Lightroom, which hasn't yet been ported to Android) I could boot into that.
But according to TFA, this is Android on Windows, or the ability to run Android applications on Windows 8. This sounds less like "two operating systems at once" and more like the Android API running on Windows.
This is exceedingly uninteresting. The problem with Windows 8 is the revolting GUI, and this does not fix that. Wake me when you release a tablet that will run Windows apps on Android.
Moreover, this is no particular threat to Windows. It perhaps gives a boost to the Windows 8 ecosystem by tying in whatever Androids applications happen to run (you know it won't be 100%), but the box still runs Windows, and doesn't run anything other than Windows. This is no threat to Microsoft at all, and is not a "rebellion".
> You're right, there's even less need for this feature now, since Windows 8 boots from cold faster than Vista and 7 and SSDs are much more affordable.
Um, what does that have to do with anything? Do you understand the article?
It's probably why I spend half my gaming life in dosbox and wine playing older 90's games.
Um, it's true. And I'm aware of Mame, and intend to gut the Tempest box and replace it with a low end PC at some point with a USB spinner and try to get it working again.
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Yes, but at least this time they mentioned software emulation. That wasn't even mentioned before, making it sound more like a dual-boot system to me. Maybe next time this news story is posted they'll get the description entirely right? Possibly even mentioning that this is talking about tablets, not laptops or PC's?
Indeed. Just think; the best of both worlds. When I try to work with the garish, non-intuitive interface that is Windows 8, I'm thinking to myself "if only I could play Candy Cows. Too bad it's only on Android." This seems like someone observed that people would be willing to use a non-Microsoft platform if there were a few Microsoft apps they could run in emulation, completely misunderstood why people think that, and had the bright idea that the reverse must be true as well.
My impression is, commercial speech to text works really well right now -- in fact, just well enough to lull you into complacency before it really screws you up.
Daughter and her friend communicate via texting a lot. They've got speech to text turned on at one end, and on the other end, text to speech.
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Reminds me of the current batch of commercials from a certain internet provider who will remain nameless (but rhymes with... ur... rurr.... trrr... blomcast.) trumpeting WE HAVE THE FASTEST INTERNET. DON'T GO WITH SLOW INTERNET, GO WITH WHATEVER WE'RE CALLING OURSELVES THESE DAYS!!! When, actually, once you get past around 5 Mbps most people can't tell the difference, and past 15 Mbps even geeks have to measure. But it *seems* faster, due to placebo effect.
Another example would be the MIPS wars of last decade. We've long since gotten fast enough that, Ma and Pa Kettle can't tell.
Hey, at least it's a better description this time.
You're kidding right? "will unveil systems that simultaneously run two different operating systems, both Windows and Android" is exactly what it is not. These systems will only run the Windows 8 operating system. They don't run the Android operating system. At all. Ever. Not even a little bit. They have some kind of API that allows them to run some Android apps. This is as != to "simultaneously run two different operating systems" as one can get without ripping a hole in spacetime.
People people people! Read TFA! These laptops are running Windows and not anything but Windows. There's a lot less here than meets the eye.
BlueStacks has been around since 2012, funded in part by AMD, pre-installed on some PCs, and has not been a game-changer.
Right, because, when people want to run Android applications, they do so on Android tablets. People aren't going "gee, I really want a Windows 8 tablet... the colors are so pretty... but Broccoli Holocaust only runs on Android." If they're buying Windows tablets, it's in the belief that they will run Windows applications. There's not really any other reason.
Not to mention, in the usage case where you want to take notes while running an app, if you've patched up Windows 8 to the point where it will show two windows at a time, as soon as you start taking notes the "virtual keyboard" takes up 2/3 of the screen and you can't see what you're doing anyway. It's broken.
> They seemed too tidily packaged, too neat, 'too good to check,' as they used to say, to actually be true.
I think in some cases, that the editors really wanted the stories to be true plays a part. It's not difficult to create fake news that the major news outlets will carry -- just tell them what they want to hear.
I'm waiting until they have windowing behaviour with at least the options of the ancient twm instead of the massive step backwards they have now :(
I know, right? It's like Ballmer called a developer meeting and said "you know, DOS was a good idea" and they all agreed with him out of fear.
That is so disingenuous. Windows 8 was also all maximized all the time, until they realized that users by and large considered this a bad model for a laptop and switched to the current maximum of two windows, which is still a broken paradigm for a laptop and unnecessary on a tablet. In trying to be all things to all people Windows 8 does nothing well.
I understand, really. This Android API is trying to make up for the lack of a rich enough native app ecosystem for Windows 8. Trying to market it as "manufacturers revolting against Microsoft" tries to appeal to geeks. Shameless marketing erroneously repeating blatant falsehoods like "packs Android and Windows in the same box!!!" tries to appeal to people who are thinking "hm, I was interested in that Samsung Galaxy notepad, but maybe with this I can have the best of both worlds!" When all the get is Windows 8, a fundamentally broken paradigm, that just happens to also run some Android apps. If people fall for this, they deserve all the frustration their new purchase is going to give them.
The thing is, if they were serious about "a shot across Microsoft's bow", they'd actually have the machines dual boot into Android. They don't do that. They only run Windows 8. (Read the article!)
I can see where Microsoft would like to believe this is what happens, but I suspect more likely it'll be (six months later) oh, that Windows 8 box? I got rid of it. Got a Samsung tablet instead. Runs Android natively, less clunky GUI than Windows, does everything I want.
But what about Windows apps?
What Windows apps? I've got Quickoffice if someone sends me a Word doc or spreadsheet or something. You can't really interact with spreadsheets or create Word documents very well on a tablet anyway. I don't use it for that.
This is a dupe of an article posted last week. It even points to the same news article.
These systems do not "simultaneously run two operating systems". They run Windows 8 and only Windows 8. They also include an API to allow them to run some Android applications on Windows 8. That's all. Creating nifty new buzzwords, creating rumors that this is some kind of rebellion against Microsoft or any other buzzcrap doesn't change that basic fact.
Again, it's a Windows 8 machine that will also run some Android apps. That's all. It doesn't dual boot, and it doesn't run Android.
My daughter is nineteen. Why would I identify her by name to this collection of geeks?
Of course, geeks tend not to have much upper body strength. At worst, we're talking awkward and uncomfortable.
I suppose that's her fault, for concealing it, right?
It's not about fault. It's expected for people to conceal their negative qualities. Well, in my experience, women mostly. Men tend to belch and fart and seduce her roommate, just get it over with.
I think I read that novel.
I admire your no-console policy because consoles haven't traditionally been platforms for end user experimentation. For example, console games rarely have legitimate user-created mods. But with a no-console policy and more than one gamer in the house, you have to either take turns on the PC, connect multiple gamepads and a large monitor to the PC, or buy multiple gaming PCs and multiple copies of each game. Which option did your household choose?
Hm. Daughter used to have DDR parties. The dance pads are USB and you can plug two into a PC at a time. Lessee... We have multiple PCs, of course. I'm a computer geek. I have five spun up right now, and two servers in the garage. We used to play Diablo against each other, and for that you really do need two copies of the game, unfortunately. Other than that, not really. We played a lot of board games, though. When she was really little I started her on chess. Yes, I did. We each played with half the pieces. It was easier for her to keep track. We really weren't oriented towards computer games. I read to her a lot. All of the Heinlein juveniles, all ten Amber novels, much of Lord of the Rings (prep for the movies), something like 30 of Terry Pratchett's novels.
I'm grappling with the question a little because our family just isn't like that. I guess she had a terrible childhood, never having played cooperative Halo. Or, wait, she did, at a friend's house. Bad example.
While daughter was growing up, we had a strict no-console policy at home.
Did you have another child in the house?
For part of that. I have two nephews, both of whom lived with us at one time or another. Why?
How about an Android window manager for Linux!
As long as it also ran Android apps and supported the marketplace, sure. That might be more appropriate, actually, as it'd run libreoffice natively also.
Yeah, like, that would work for me.
People people people! Read TFA! These laptops are running Windows and not anything but Windows. This "two OSs at once" crap is just that. They support the Android API, so (some) Android apps will run on Windows. That's all. There's a lot less here than meets the eye.
So there's no use saying they should have picked Chrome OS or Linux or some other OS to run in conjunction with the Windows OS, because they're not running anything but the Windows OS. Sorry to be a buzzkill.
That would work for me, for a regular laptop, but in case you've never tried Windows 7 on a touch screen, it's, um, not very good. Quite bad, really. Utter crap, actually. A Windows 7 two-in-one would just be a laptop with a touch screen you never use.
At first I thought they would allow dual boot -- Windows or Android. Then, I could buy one and just boot Android and leave it there. On the rare occasions when I needed Windows, (for instance, to run Adobe Lightroom, which hasn't yet been ported to Android) I could boot into that.
But according to TFA, this is Android on Windows, or the ability to run Android applications on Windows 8. This sounds less like "two operating systems at once" and more like the Android API running on Windows.
This is exceedingly uninteresting. The problem with Windows 8 is the revolting GUI, and this does not fix that. Wake me when you release a tablet that will run Windows apps on Android.
Moreover, this is no particular threat to Windows. It perhaps gives a boost to the Windows 8 ecosystem by tying in whatever Androids applications happen to run (you know it won't be 100%), but the box still runs Windows, and doesn't run anything other than Windows. This is no threat to Microsoft at all, and is not a "rebellion".
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> You're right, there's even less need for this feature now, since Windows 8 boots from cold faster than Vista and 7 and SSDs are much more affordable.
Um, what does that have to do with anything? Do you understand the article?
Be honest, youve got some great memories :).
It's probably why I spend half my gaming life in dosbox and wine playing older 90's games.
Um, it's true. And I'm aware of Mame, and intend to gut the Tempest box and replace it with a low end PC at some point with a USB spinner and try to get it working again.